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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: redsock on March 11, 2005, 01:27:00 am
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I felt like I needed to start a topic about the real band that played tonite at the BC. Ash totally rocked, and I was so pissed off that they got stuck opening for the miserable Bravery. What a bunch of posers. Man has fame gone to their heads. Abd their music is so sadly derivative and been done already. In and of itself not horrible, but it has been done so much better.
I haven't started a topic in awhile, but this required something to be said. I hope Ash comes back with some real rock bands opening for them. Instead of some poster boy NME wannabes ala the Bravery
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i concur, what stated as an Ash tour has turned into a co-headling tour with the Bravery. So once again Ash is the HOTTT bridesmaid to the homily bride.
A killer 45 minute set from Ash. I really like the new stuff better live than on the CD. Strip away the gloss and metallic bits, and it's fits in better with the rest of Ash's catalog. Tim is the rock star and Charlotte has become the rocker. About a third of the crowd left after Ash finished playing.
Next stop for the Bravey is the OC. Their audience was that of squealing girls and at least a couple guys wearing thier baseball hats backwards. They opened with the one song I knew and probably their single. It was downhill for there, couldn't even make it past the third song. Lots of borrowed style and very little substance. The Revillos would like thier image back...
According to another discussion site, The Bravery have roots here, which would explain the several relative units in attedence. This maybe why the flip flop occured...
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I guess one's mileage may vary, but I enjoyed Bravery more than Ash. Ash had their great moments, but a lot of filler in between, and (nobody I've spoken to agrees with me on this) some of that filler sounded a lot like the slicked-up pop metal of the Cult.
I just found Bravery more interesting, although certainly neither band would win awards for originality. Bravery wore makeup and stage dived, which I guess increases their "poseur" quotient, but really, who's not a poseur these days?
I was told not to miss Crimea, but alas, I did just that.
ps - Manny and Olga's sucks!
pps - Kosmo, thanks for the tick. :)
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Originally posted by redsock:
I hope Ash comes back with some real rock bands opening for them. Instead of some poster boy NME wannabes ala the Bravery
Hey, at least a Bravery/Ash tour might win Ash some new fans. The last time they did a nationwide U.S. tour, they were opening for - yuck - Saves the Day.
(Ash have gotta be the only band in the world who can open separate tours for Coldplay, Saves the Day, and the Bravery, and bring it off...)
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Wow, I'm so glad now I saw the show in Philadelphia where the correct band (Ash) was the headline act. Like I said in another thread, The Bravery are not bad, but they have a ways to go. Ash rarely missed a beat, and their 75 minute set was great. I also agree that the new material from Ash sounds even better live.
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I cranked up the Meltdown live bonus disc for the first time today and it very representative of last nights show. And never thought about it before but I can see the Cult similarities. Ash did start out life as an Iron Maiden cover band. Cult comparasions aside, boy do I like me a good rock retread. Plus Ash have already released doubled the amount of great singles verses The Cult.
Don't think Ash will ever find the perfect touring partner to win over new US fans with. They will either end on going on tour with bands sharing the same fanbase, or an indifferent crowd. It's rough trying to be a support act when people are out to hear the headliners hit single. They'll yack through the openers set who are merely just standing in the way of what they came to see. Unless of course they tour with The Kings of Leon whose fans appear to except anything if the somewhat positive reaction to Vargenius is any indication.
Honestly, I didn't give the Bravery a fair shake. Ash had just done a great set, they made me smile and moved my withered body as much as it can be moved these days. But, the guitar player and his herky jerky stage moves really worn thin quickly. Had they been the middle band I might have stuck it out.
The Bravery has the advantage of playing to a generation of fans who have never heard of The New Romantics, Gary Numan, Gary Glitter or the Revillos. To many it all seems fresh and exciting, for some of us they are a merely a bunch of posers. Twenty years ago, they would be an Arlington band roundly dismissed as a bunch of wannabies, yet still waiting for some record company to come and sign them to a fat contract. Sort of like Army of Me.
My predictions? If there was an Hfestival they would be part of if. Within a year they will be headlining the 9:30 club with two other The bands who will probably be better then them. Tickets will cost 21.50 and much moaning will ensue over the quick presale. If all goes well within 18 months the CD will be re-released with a live DVD, and they??ll be playing a field house somewhere.
For Ash hopefully another show at a three forth full Black Cat, where Lulu and I will be jostling for position to see Tim??s big belt buckle. Oh oops what I meant to say is Miss Marple and I will jostling for position to see Charlotte when she??s out promoting her solo record.
Next up for the slicing and dicing of the Kosmo Ginsu Knife? The Kaiser Chiefs
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ash was on fire last night! *pun intended*
bravery=franz ferdinand
i can't remember how many times i cocked my head and said "is this franz ferdinand, is this the bravery? i can't tell!"
i spoke with a member of the black cat staff that said it was NOT their decision to flip flop the line up (she was very emphatic about that- clearly an ash fan), but that the tour management had made the decision because "i guess bravery is more popular or something."
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Didn't end up seeing this show, thought I was on the fence about it until a few days ago. IMHO, The Bravery had 4 very promising songs, which are the ones that were the free mp3's on their site a while back, and so I was rather psyched that they'd turn out to be something good. nme.com has posted the entire album online, and guess what, the rest of it is just so so. Nothing special at all. Oh well.
Oh, and Kaiser Chiefs = overrated
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this is amusing, the Kaiser Chiefs dont even have a full length out here yet and backlash has started
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After looking at the setlist for Philly it appears that only a couple songs were dropped in DC. Ash have never been big on long sets to begin with. Although it might be nice if they pair a couple 45 minute sets with a acoustic interlude.
Listened to the Kaiser Chiefs last night and my intial thoughts are it's got the same sort of songwriting that bugged me on the Kasabian record. Track One Franz Ferdinand, Late in the album it's Fun Boy Three, then Blur, then Roxy Music. "I Precdict A Riot" is the real standout track on the record. Not all of this is a bad thing, I will definitely prefer this over Kasabian more of the influences I like. So is it just me or more new bands taking this approach of songwriting in an effort to determine what sticks on the wall best.
Off topic again you can Brenden Benson to that list of supports act better than the headliner. He is going to do some shows with Keane. He joins the few and the very mighty. Sloan, Ash
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I showed up a bit late last night and missed about half of Ash's set. I am so pissed that The Bravery took the headlining spot. I've decided that any band that NME, Mojo, Q, etc hail as the 'next great thing' is a band to be avoided.
I love the balls out rock combined with pop sensibilities of Ash. These guys know how to write a song.
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Just to concur that Ash put on a rocking set, and the sound seemed right for the first time in months at the black cat, though Tims vocals were a bit smothered. My god the Bravery, I could barely stand 2 songs before I had to bail, I think the guitar player with Ben Stiller's hair from "something about mary" put me over the top..
And a tangential rant, I'm so freaking sick of the urban/suburban posing in a second tier city like DC where most of the "urban hipster" types are either from Terre Haute, Orange County, or Hoboken. Had to suffer through 3 young white kids loudly talk about how they hate suburbanites from maryland, and their new condo is great because its away from the "Boojie" areas and near the "ghetto", like their neighbors are some freaking sideshow to validate their urban experience. Ok rant done.
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no kaiser chiefs backlash here, they write good songs just for other bands. plus ain't nothing wrong with being a great singles bands. on kos-mo-meter they are a 7.5
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Off topic again you can Brenden Benson to that list of supports act better than the headliner. He is going to do some shows with Keane. He joins the few and the very mighty. Sloan, Ash
fuck.
i hate going to shows and leaving before the headliner.
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Ash's set was fookin' mega!!.. Gotta hand it to them, they rock regardless of the situation..be that 12 people at the Area 2(or 1) festival, opening for Saves the Day/Dashboard Confessional or the Bravery in DC...Most bands of their stature would've given up by now trying to break the states..
Kosmo, tried to find you to give you a cd but couldn't..I flyered at the end of the show but saw no familiar faces so most likely you all left before the end of the Bravery...
Hope to see some of you at Iota tomorrow...
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That is pissing me off! That and the fact that his little headlining tour is not playing here.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Off topic again you can Brenden Benson to that list of supports act better than the headliner. He is going to do some shows with Keane. He joins the few and the very mighty. Sloan, Ash
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Unless of course they tour with The Kings of Leon whose fans appear to except anything if the somewhat positive reaction to Vargenius is any indication.
fans? you mean, "people who have read / heard they were cool"
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heh... it would appear that my views on this show were very much in the minority. :p
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
this is amusing, the Kaiser Chiefs dont even have a full length out here yet and backlash has started
i've played "i predict a riot" for a few people whose opinions i respect and got nothing but negative responses ... this is actually the only place i've heard good things about them ...
personally, i like the song, although its a bit retread-y, and i've heard nothing else from them
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yeah brendan and or the waxwings both skipped DC on recent tour, must have been something i said...
i would guess those backward baseball cap DUDES would agree with you on the bravery :p
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I only have one major complaint, and that is it would have been nice to know that Ash was no longer the main act. Luckily I managed to make it up the stairs with a friend to hear Ash just as they were about to go on. Was talking to a guy selling merchandise, when he informed us, yup Ash was the next band playing.
Ash was f'ing amazing last night! they played a good mix of stuff, and i was glad to hear all the older stuff. I've had the import of Meltdown, and have been wanting to hear this live, so it was quite great! :) I recall seeing them about 2 years ago and they also ended with Burn Baby Burn. Is that the deal at all the shows now, ending with that song? I Love BBB, so it really doesn't matter, just funny how now it seems every time im seeing them they close with that song. Charlotte was looking great as always and Tim.. yeah 'nuff said! I was only sad they didn't play jack names the planets as i *love* that song!
I don't think im as negative towards the bravery, as it seems many people are around here. they were entertaining, although i was more pissed they were headlining. their cover of 'dont change' was amusing to say the least! :D
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
heh... it would appear that my views on this show were very much in the minority. :D
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
I only have one major complaint, and that is it would have been nice to know that Ash was no longer the main act.
See, I think we did know -- they switched the order on the webpage. I thought yesterday that meant the lineup had changed.
of course, this is dependent on folks looking at the website routinely, but how else could the club "notify" ticket holders?
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Far be it for me to say I told you so, but the writing was on the wall months ago. Too bad for Ash.
I think I will sell my tickets for the SF show to some crazed Bravery fan and make a sweet profit.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Being in the back, I told my friend "I like these songs, they're good songs, but the live experience is not grabbing me -- I'm not fully engaged somehow." We moved a little bit up, and either being closer or that the couple of next songs were better made a big improvement.
i ALWAYS feel this way at black cat ... the way the room is designed doesn't do a good job of pulling you into the experience if you're in the back of the room
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
I only have one major complaint, and that is it would have been nice to know that Ash was no longer the main act.
See, I think we did know -- they switched the order on the webpage. I thought yesterday that meant the lineup had changed.
of course, this is dependent on folks looking at the website routinely, but how else could the club "notify" ticket holders? [/b]
yes, you are right. but after that whole big mess with VOB and ambulance on saturday night, with a lot of people claiming VOB was now the main act, its hard to know whats correct anymore. of course, me being a huge ash fan, i wanted more than anything the website to be incorrect! maybe i should have checked out the ash site or the bravery, but you never know. just seems 9:30 is a bit more organized with show times, etc than the Black Cat. Either way, it doesnt affect who I see where. If theres a band playing I want to see, I'm usually there early enough to catch em!
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I'll echo some comments here...
Crimea
I liked their energy and the title track Lottery Winners on Acid was pretty good. You also can??t go wrong with a song title ??If you want to see my happy face, tell me my girl just died.? Other than that, nothing special. They hit a volume level on one of the last songs that may well have kept my ears ringing all night.
Ash
Mixed review. Some good tunes, good presence, nice guitar work, and some great beats. Definitely rocking. I have a bias toward good vocals, though, and his voice just didn??t stand out in any way ?? quality, melody, or volume. It made the songs feel somewhat repetitive. This was my first time to see them, however, and it is always hard to hear the distinctions when you don??t know the songs. Bass player looked like he wanted to kill someone for most of the show. Maybe the guy who switched the lineup.
Bravery
It looks like I??m in the minority here, but I enjoyed the set. I liked the three tunes on their website and I thought they played them well. Honest Mistake is just a solid pop song. Vocal was not quite as strong as on the recording, but he held his own. On the flipside, there is no doubt that this group won??t be breaking historic ground on originality. I couldn??t help thinking throughout the set that they certainly ??acted? like a famous pop/rock outfit. Full coiffage, eye makeup, painted nails, the works. Dedicating the encore to Mom and Dad in the audience was endearing, but it didn??t exactly jibe with the disaffected pop star persona he had been working.
As far as the current wholesale thievery of 80s pop, it doesn??t really bother me. The synthesizer has returned as an acceptable rock instrument, and style has returned as an acceptable companion to (or substitute for) substance. So be it. Like Kosmo said, it??s being reinvented for a new generation. Even if it was better the first time, it??s hard to blame the 13-22 year-olds for thinking that it??s the greatest thing since sliced bread. I liked the sound. And if you like the Killers, Franz Ferdinand, etc, you can probably add the Bravery to your mix.
Thanks to the board for the good discussion. Saw the Wrens and De Novo Dahl based on the buzz here, and both were excellent. Especially DND, I can??t believe there were only 35 people at that gig.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
after that whole big mess with VOB and ambulance on saturday night, with a lot of people claiming VOB was now the main act, its hard to know whats correct anymore.
I missed this whole thing -- were the acts actually changed, or just rumored to be so?
Nearly no place is as good at 9:30 about getting info out. We are blessed to have this place in our city. And it *really* spoils you; I now often am looking for set times at places in other cities, and usually to no avail.
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KSMOstival attendence 101 :)
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i really enjoyed ash last night. i'm terrible at describing shows so i'll leave it at that. i'm always going to be biased though b/c they're the band that got me really interested in music ten years ago (yikes, that long ago) and were my first favorite band.
i also could've done w/ out the bravery headline switch not only to hear just a bit more ash but also b/c i don't see why everyone's going crazy over them. they're entertaining and their music was sorta catchy but nothing too special to me.
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xcanuck says it best regarding Ash... had the bravery been on in the middle i would have given them a fair listen. however, Ash did a great set and the Bravery promptly killed the buzz for me. so it was homeward bound for me. their first song has potential but it was spiraling downward very quickly...
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Hey Tom Servo -- great show review. You should post more often!
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Bags:
Being in the back, I told my friend "I like these songs, they're good songs, but the live experience is not grabbing me -- I'm not fully engaged somehow." We moved a little bit up, and either being closer or that the couple of next songs were better made a big improvement.
i ALWAYS feel this way at black cat ... the way the room is designed doesn't do a good job of pulling you into the experience if you're in the back of the room [/b]
I don't think it's the Black Cat, there really isn't a lot of music that's being made these days that's beyond merely good and truly exceptional. Also I don't know how old you are, but the older one gets, the less easily impressed one is. This is both good and bad... it's a bit like heroin, you don't get the same rush from it anymore, but you're still searching for that perfect high. Or so they tell me, anyway.
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Originally posted by Bags:
I missed this whole thing -- were the acts actually changed, or just rumored to be so?
Ambulance LTD headlined. VHS or Beta's website definitely claimed they were headlining though.
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Ah, thanks Chutney. Now, Kaiser Chiefs question -- I enjoy "I Predict A Riot" a lot (though I can see it growing old....or not). But, does he really say "It's not very pretty I tell thee" in order to get the rhyme? That is, well, blech.
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until about 8 am yesterday morning, the black cat had ash listed as the headliner.
all the tickets are listed as just ASH, no bravery, just ash. ie, ash is the headlining band.
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Originally posted by lily1:
until about 8 am yesterday morning, the black cat had ash listed as the headliner.
all the tickets are listed as just ASH, no bravery, just ash. ie, ash is the headlining band.
Good point Lily...tickets only say Ash..that said, who knows if Ash opted to let the Bravery close the show in front of their "hometown" crowd..that would've been a nice gesture from them and not something totally impossible..
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according to the black cat staff, tour management decided to change the lineup last night. not the club. and from the way the woman told me, she was none too pleased about the arrangement of bravery being the headliner.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Bags:
Being in the back, I told my friend "I like these songs, they're good songs, but the live experience is not grabbing me -- I'm not fully engaged somehow." We moved a little bit up, and either being closer or that the couple of next songs were better made a big improvement.
i ALWAYS feel this way at black cat ... the way the room is designed doesn't do a good job of pulling you into the experience if you're in the back of the room [/b]
I don't think it's the Black Cat, there really isn't a lot of music that's being made these days that's beyond merely good and truly exceptional. Also I don't know how old you are, but the older one gets, the less easily impressed one is. This is both good and bad... it's a bit like heroin, you don't get the same rush from it anymore, but you're still searching for that perfect high. Or so they tell me, anyway. [/b]
Well, for me, it's the fact that standing in the back of the room at the Black Cat doesn't "pull me into" a show like standing in the back at 930 Club does ... it's pretty obvious why, BC is just a shotgun room ...
Has nothing to do with the quality of the music being played.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Hey Tom Servo -- great show review. You should post more often!
Thanks Bags! I've been lurking a few weeks, I'll try to get in the game...
It seems safer to complain about presales if people recognize you. Though I'm 1 for 1 so far (Ben Folds) so nothing to complain about yet.
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Originally posted by poultrynow:
Had to suffer through 3 young white kids loudly talk about how they hate suburbanites from maryland, and their new condo is great because its away from the "Boojie" areas and near the "ghetto", like their neighbors are some freaking sideshow to validate their urban experience. Ok rant done.
Dude, please tell me you made that up, before I gag.
Some peeps have been spraypainting Anarchy signs and anti-capitalist slogans all over Dupont Circle and Shaw and you just *know* that they're without doubt a) rich high school kids from the suburbs or b) rich college kids living large off mommy and daddy's capitalist careers.
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just a question - i do music stuff for DCist.com and we were thinking about doing a "reaction from the blogosphere" type post about the ash and the bravery show. would people here mind if some of your opinions were excerpted in our roundup? with credit and links back to the forum, of course.
if not, no big deal - but some good mini-reviews were written here and i'd like to highlight them!
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hmmmm, interesting little conversation
despite having a ticket I never made it out last night for a variety of reasons - sounds like a missed a great, albeit brief set by Ash
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oh, and nice to see a redsock post!
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i don't have a problem with it for my posts... plese be sure to include my blog which is admittly in need of a update www.micropop.net (http://www.micropop.net)
i don't speak for any others...
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yeah and cite doomlink too if you quote me (but you probably won't quote me since I wrote my review while drunk) http://www.alex.to/doomlink (http://www.alex.to/doomlink)
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hey be proud of being the voice of dissent...
and i will fully admit to being too harsh on the bravery. had they been middle, or had i heard the album beforehand, or if it wasn't a school night. they might have gotten a warmer reaction. but they killed my post Ash buzz and i voted with my feet. :p
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Okay with me too, and I have no blog/website/URL. I'm just Bags, yes I'm only miss Bags, and I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill..... ;)
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Originally posted by pablohoney:
just a question - i do music stuff for DCist.com and we were thinking about doing a "reaction from the blogosphere" type post about the ash and the bravery show. would people here mind if some of your opinions were excerpted in our roundup? with credit and links back to the forum, of course.
if not, no big deal - but some good mini-reviews were written here and i'd like to highlight them!
You can quote me predicting a headline change
here (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004729;p=66)
and
here (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004729;p=69)
..and somewhere in the original Ash thread too, I think.
I have no blog. I like to be quoted as Smackie or vansmack, and I prefer adjectives like elusive, indefinable and irreverant somewhere near my name.
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thanks, everybody! the post should be up within an hour. i couldn't quote everybody, but "blogosphere roundups" is something we might do again in the future, so i'll definitely head back here for more opinions.
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Ok with me...
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Or some folks call him "smackass" -- that's my favorite. The elusive and inimitable smackass strikes again!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I have no blog. I like to be quoted as Smackie or vansmack, and I prefer adjectives like elusive, indefinable and irreverant somewhere near my name.
you don't want handsome, dead sexy, or prefers the barely legal crowd near your name, oh famous smackie? :D
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hey, the DCist article is up! Nice job Pablo.
knowing there's a small chance our message board posts may lead to worldwide fame, I'll devote more effort to composition in the future. :)
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Originally posted by Bags:
Or some folks call him "smackass" -- that's my favorite. The elusive and inimitable smackass strikes again!
Originally posted by lily1:
you don't want handsome, dead sexy, or prefers the barely legal crowd near your name, oh famous smackie? :D
Thank you ladies. I'm in a much better mood now that I spent my lunch at the beach in the 89 degree San Francisco sun. It's hard to work under these conditions.
DCist should have read:
Dead sexy Smackass from the 930 forum, who prefers the barely legal crowd (volume 18 is still legendary), claims he can tell when hype will take over quality musicianship weeks in advance. He claims those lucky enough to grab a ticket to the sold out Bravery/Ash show shouldn't have been surprised to see Ash perform before the Bravery.
"Look, indie's the new black and with TiVo, the kiddies no longer have to stay home to watch The Bravery on 'The OC' on a Thursday night," said the irreverant Smackie. "Not when you can catch them in your local music venue now that owners are bragging in the local rags about being all ages. What did you expect?"
"It's unfortunate for a band like Ash," the elusive smackie continued, "finally given the opportunity to headline and they get beat down by the same hype they so richly deserve. 'Meltdown' [Ash's most recent UK release] has been out for how long in the UK and the Bravery's new album hits the States first? It's a crime. We'll see who opens for whom two years from now when the hype is over."
When offering his opinions on last nights epsiode of "The OC" and the new Star Wars Episode III trailer that followed, DCist politely declined, much to Smackie's dismay.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
DCist should have read:
yes, yes it should have
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'Meltdown' [Ash's most recent UK release] has been out for how long in the UK and the Bravery's new album hits the States first? It's a crime.
Fact check: 'Meltdown' was released on Tuesday. The "Headliner's" junk ISN'T EVEN OUT YET... doesn't drop 'til March 29. (I am in no way promoting this garbage by mentioning the release date).
As someone pretty upset about the switch last night (I tried announcing to the crowd that the show was over when Ash finished... but sadly not everyone listened), I think it's pretty ridiculous that a band WITHOUT AN ALBUM yet gets to headline a show from a band that's been around for over a DECADE. But these are the days of internet leaks... the good with the bad. Hype is a dangerous thing.
Oh and this is fun... The Bravery (at least the vocalist (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:4c861vf1zzma)... perhaps more) began as umm... Ska band SKABBA THE HUT. But hey... that fad died out and now we're dealing with the rise (and fall) of dancerocksynthdance. SO HELL... at least they're adapting.
Here's a little sound byte of a Skabba song for all the Bravery completists out there. Gotta get in touch with the roots!
'Fat Guy On My Head' (http://www.emusic.com/m3u/song/10588785/11136585.m3u) should fit nicely next to 'An Honest Mistake' and 'Unconditional' right?
If anyone has any idea how to find out who managed the tour (or who made the decision to switch headliners) I would love to send a strongly worded letter (and a xerox copy of my ticket stub which reads "ASH").
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Originally posted by billyliar:
Fact check: 'Meltdown' was released on Tuesday. The "Headliner's" junk ISN'T EVEN OUT YET... doesn't drop 'til March 29.
Thanks for the correction.
I bought a UK double-disc copy of Meltdown sometime ago (like May or June) and never really new exactly when the US version was coming out, just that it was going to be a while after the UK release. And "a while" is an understatement. I thought the Bravery UK release had dropped on Tuesday, but alas, wrong again - it's this Tuesday (Mar 14) and Mar 29 in the states, as you pointed out.
Nonetheless, the underlying points are unchanged: Hype, hype and more hype dictated last night. And that's sad, worse yet, unfair to many of you that bought tickets hoping to see a full Ash set.
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I went for the special edition import as well after the label that put out 'Free All Angels' folded.
Didn't think I'd get it here but hell... b-sides and a DVD. Plus the packaging is a hell of a lot better than the plastic slip case crap from the import.
That they signed to Record Collection is perhaps one bright spot in all of this. The timing was of course terrible and they lost all of the momentum here that they had worked so hard to build, but at least they're on a label that seems like it will be good for them. The backing/promotional power of a major but with the good sense that it takes to rep a band like The Walkmen (I think they've done a great job working that second album of theirs and hope they do similar work for 'Meltdown').
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fun with the internet archive...
Ponce De Leon (http://web.archive.org/web/20010818233631/www.elconquistadors.com/conquistadors/sammy.html) Vassar Ska? (http://web.archive.org/web/19981205020902/http://students.vassar.edu/~brgrosz/skabba.html)
Up and at 'em ya drunk bastard! Ya gone done and found the homepage of Skabba the Hut, Vassar College's infamous Ska-Punk-Country-Disco-Classical-Surf-Gangsta-Folk band!
With Chewskaca on bass
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Originally posted by billyliar:
As someone pretty upset about the switch last night (I tried announcing to the crowd that the show was over when Ash finished... but sadly not everyone listened), I think it's pretty ridiculous that a band WITHOUT AN ALBUM yet gets to headline a show from a band that's been around for over a DECADE. But these are the days of internet leaks... the good with the bad. Hype is a dangerous thing.
Oh and this is fun... The Bravery (at least the vocalist (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:4c861vf1zzma)... perhaps more) began as umm... Ska band SKABBA THE HUT. But hey... that fad died out and now we're dealing with the rise (and fall) of dancerocksynthdance. SO HELL... at least they're adapting.
If anyone has any idea how to find out who managed the tour (or who made the decision to switch headliners) I would love to send a strongly worded letter (and a xerox copy of my ticket stub which reads "ASH").
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Well, Billy, this is a real new low in rock history. Someone tries to actually END a show because of his own personal tastes and opinions. Seems pretty fuc*ing intolerant of other's tastes and wishes, since everyone sharing floor space with you last night had to pay the same for tickets as you did. This is rock 'n roll, not a nuclear proliferation conference. I'd suggest you try to tolerate the miscreant Bravery fans...off to see Army of Me right now. I suppose I'll see you there trying to shut down the show?
Buck up, pal. There will be plenty more unfair "scheduling" in your future, and hack musicians who - HORRORS - played in other now defunct and outdated bands who still show up and play okay music in their old age. Now if you got robbed for those $163. U2 tickets and they played first and your missed 'em, I'd say you'd have a real beef.
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Originally posted by Sayonaro:
Well, Billy, this is a real new low in rock history. Someone tries to actually END a show because of his own personal tastes and opinions. Seems pretty fuc*ing intolerant of other's tastes and wishes, since everyone sharing floor space with you last night had to pay the same for tickets as you did.
yeah... for fuck's sake!!! and honestly, why is it really that big a deal which band plays in which slot, except for the fact that it wasn't clearly noted? It's like a bunch of prissy 50something bureaucrats fighting over who gets the office with 1" more window space...
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geez ligthen up... i'm sure billy was only being factious. and it did matter for those of who were looking forward to Ash serving as headliner tour. Their set would have been longer, they would have played last as would be expected of a headliner, which is why some missed out on part or all of thier set. In the end a great 45 minute set is better then nothing, especially if it's the last time they tour the states.
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yeah, I guess if you were a fan that would be pretty aggrieving... to me I was just psyched to see two great sets...
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I'm glad i wasn't the only one feeling this way. And I love Skabba the Hut. BTW, the BC changed their site a couple days earlier, as indicated on BY (http://www.bigyawn.net) when I complained on Weds night. I'm sure it wasn't the Cat that changed it, but someone should really be shot over this. The Bravery were set to play the backstage of the BC in February, but their slot dissapeared from the site in late January, to be replaced as an opener for Ash a few weeks later. So, from backstage band to headliner in less than 3 months.
I guess they can thank the shitty music tastes of London for that upgrade.
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NO, they're not from Vassar!! Please tell me they're not from Vassar. Frickin' damn. Washington Social Club I can be proud of.... Well, what are you gonna do.
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Bags, you went to Vassar?
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Bags, you went to Vassar?
Yup. About 10 years before these guys. I talked to WSC's Marty about it last night (he and Olivia both went to Vassar). No ska bands at the time, but the three biggest campus bands I remember were Desderata, a jam cover band, and two with friends of mine in 'em -- CDP (Contaminated Dog Phlegm, kind of a metal takeoff band) and Voodoo Sex Party. The bass player in Voodoo moved here to DC and was in a band, Thirteen Happiness Street, that used to play around town -- you know, the Grog and Tankard circuit.
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heh, I should've popped by DC9. I was at Velvet Lounge seeing the Phobes, coudln't decide what to do afterwards, and so I just ate a giant slice of pizza and called it a night.
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DC9 was fun....next time, Doom.
And by the way, HI redsock. You been holding out on us!
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I think The Crimea was very, very great. They kind of surprised me, they had their very own way of performing. And I know that Ash would be a great performance band and I was really disappointed that they were switched with The Bravery for the headlining band. The Bravery was kind of ridiculous. I really laughed when they got onto stage and I thought this is just a huge joke, but it wasn't. The crowd in the front row were classmates of the bass player, maybe they made the show sold out. Anyways, I think the band had a good appearance on stage though. I didn't really listened to the music. I was a little bit afraid that the bassplayer wouldn't make it until the end of the show because he really couldn't spend 2 minutes without emptying a beer bottle on ex. An enjoyable evening though.
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i really wanted to go, just to see ash. 1977 i heard years ago in highschool and thouight theyve been consistant ever sence
but why weren't they headlining??
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Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
I think The Crimea was very, very great.
What??? That was the worst opening band I've ever seen. period.
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Originally posted by helicon1:
Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
I think The Crimea was very, very great.
What??? That was the worst opening band I've ever seen. period. [/b]
<img src="http://www.xs4all.nl/~ernstmul/images/yahoo/33.gif" alt=" - " /> fascinating... someone told me before the show to make a point of seeing Crimea... she said they were great. I missed them, and the couple of people who I talked to at the show pretty much agreed with you.
One thing to say about this show, though: all three bands inspired passion, either negative or positive. And that's way better than a show where you leave just thinking "meh."
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
ps - Manny and Olga's sucks!
I like Manny and Olgas!!! :) I like Ash's older stuff better and Bravery's music made me interested in their live show.
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ok, why I don't like Manny&&Olga's :)
1) they ignore you for an hour before they'll help you
2) their pizzas are made so the cheese doesn't adhere to the bread! So with the first bite you always end up with molten pizza clinging to your chin like napalm.
Originally posted by ReddAj:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
ps - Manny and Olga's sucks!
I like Manny and Olgas!!! :) I like Ash's older stuff better and Bravery's music made me interested in their live show. [/b]
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According to info posted on the Ash forum these are the dates Ash are headling, and based on the clubs curfew they do a 45 to 60 minute set when in the middle.
Houston
San Antonio
Dallas
Phoenix
San Diego
LA (Sat only)
Vancouver
Seattle
Salt Lake City
Denver
Minneapolis
Chicago
Detroit
Cleveland
Toronto
New York (Mon only)
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
[QB] ok, why I don't like Manny&&Olga's :)
1) they ignore you for an hour before they'll help you
2) their pizzas are made so the cheese doesn't adhere to the bread! So with the first bite you always end up with molten pizza clinging to your chin like napalm.
Now we'll be able to recognize you even when we haven't all met; you're the guy with the bad burn scar on his chin....liked the moonscapes too...any new info. on Borf?
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I burned my whole face off!
I saw a great Borf on an electrical junction box, but after shooting pictures of bridges I was afraid to point my camera at it lest I be deemed a suspicious individual....
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
According to info posted on the Ash forum these are the dates Ash are headling, and based on the clubs curfew they do a 45 to 60 minute set when in the middle.
San Diego
LA (Sat only)
Vancouver
Thank you Kosmo. That's what I suspected. I'll be selling my SF tickets.
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As a followup the switch is being made where the Bravery is getting airplay and the set lengths for both bands are determined by clubs curfew, not necessarily by order. whatever...
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That club curfew issue seems like bullshit. Can't they go on 20 minutes, half hour earlier and play a full set? They easily could have gotten on stage at Black Cat before 10:00 p.m. and played for an hour and 15 minutes.... And how many clubs really have curfews (outside of the last call curfew, which can't be much before 1:00 a.m. nearly everywhere...Leaves a lot of time for longer sets).
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i haven't seen a setlist for dc, but based on what i recall it was two song shorter than the one in Philly. In DC it might have been a 50 minute show, not really sure how with two songs it could have stretched to 75 minutes.
This is from the TLA show in Philly
Meltdown
Girl From Mars
Evil Eye
Clones
Shining Light
Renegade Cavalcade
Detonator
Goldfinger
Starcrossed
Kung Fu
Vampire Love
Walking Barefoot
Orpheus
Encore:
A Life Less Ordinary
Burn Baby Burn
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
As a followup the switch is being made where the Bravery is getting airplay and the set lengths for both bands are determined by clubs curfew, not necessarily by order. whatever...
So, what about the markets that get no airplay from either band, like DC/Baltimore/NOVA?
Of course, I don't listen to local radio anymore so don't really know who all is being ignored other than almost anyone that I'd like to hear.
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The switch in DC probably had more to do with the fact the Bravery already had a show scheduled on the Backstage which was cancelled when they were added to the Ash tour. That and band has roots in the area... Still doesn't make it right and maybe they are getting airplay...
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dork alert: one of ash's songs is the "theme song" for the new star wars: republic commando xbox game. there is a video in the extras menu.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
dork alert: one of ash's songs is the "theme song" for the new star wars: republic commando xbox game. there is a video in the extras menu.
Nothing dorky about it. I think it's great!
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