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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mankie on February 17, 2004, 12:36:00 pm
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Actually, after a few months, I have my doubts about Beckham. I am pretty convinced that Madrid got him for the publicity money they would get out of him rather than for his football abilities. Ronaldinho is far better than him (I am comparing him to Ronaldinho because these were the two acquisitions from the big rivals in Spain).
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I agree that Madrid got Beckham for his celeb and marketing status as much as for his football talents, but he's every bit the player he's hyped to be and I would take him any day over the goofy-toothed Brazillian in Barcelona.
Man Utd sure as hell aren't the same team without him, but that's the price you pay when you have an arrogant bastard for a manager.
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everytime i waver on not caring, baseball never ceases to make me hate it. now i will watch 4 innings of the world series instead of 3, congrats guys. i was way more interested in beck's defection than arod. at least runny kicky is interesting. although i am still bitter that they called sid bream safe at the plate when he was out by a fucking mile.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I agree that Madrid got Beckham for his celeb and marketing status as much as for his football talents, but he's every bit the player he's hyped to be and I would take him any day over the goofy-toothed Brazillian in Barcelona.
Man Utd sure as hell aren't the same team without him, but that's the price you pay when you have an arrogant bastard for a manager.
Just out of curiosity, have you seen the last two goals of Ronaldinho? In then days he has scored two amazing goals against Osasuna and At. Madrid. As for Manchester United, I don't know, I think that with Henry, Arsenal has the best player in the world and they look really tough in the premier league. I was also surprised by Reyes, the Spaniard they just got and the incredible goals he scored against Chelsea this weekend.
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The Yankees suck.
Read "Moneyball", and I dare anyone not to be a fan of the A's.
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"Alex Rodriguez is regarded as the best outfield player in baseball and the Yankees will be expected to win the World Series immediately with him in their side."
wait, a-rod doesn't play the outfield.
personally, i don't care about this trade. i still don't like the yankees, and will root against the yankees each year. i will be far more upset if the yankees get maddux instead of the cubs.
i've always liked the a's, but then growing up i was more of a giants fan. but i can't stand the giants nowadays, but that's more because i can't stand barry bonds.
btw, bream was safe!
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
The Yankees suck.
Read "Moneyball", and I dare anyone not to be a fan of the A's.
what? and purposely be a loser? the A's cant even properly run the bases!
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Top teams of the last three years in MLB:
1. Mariners, 302 wins
2. A's 301 wins
3. Yankees, 299 wins
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
The Yankees suck.
Read "Moneyball", and I dare anyone not to be a fan of the A's.
what? and purposely be a loser? the A's cant even properly run the bases! [/b]
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Top teams of the last three years in MLB:
1. Mariners, 302 wins
2. A's 301 wins
3. Yankees, 299 wins
the last 3 years in the playoffs
A's lead best of 5 series 2-0 and LOSE ALL THREE!!!
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getting arod is nice and all, but his numbers weren't that much better than soriano's last year, and soriano fits much better on the field and in the line-up. guess you have to grab arod if you have the chance. chemistry could be all off, though.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
btw, bream was safe!
out by a motherfucking mile. worst call since the olympic basketball fiasco
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
getting arod is nice and all, but his numbers weren't that much better than soriano's last year, and soriano fits much better on the field and in the line-up. guess you have to grab arod if you have the chance. chemistry could be all off, though.
are you kidding? soriano is terrible defensively. if anything, it would make more sense to move jeter to 3rd and keep arod at short. . .jeter isn't that great defensively either anymore. as the joke goes, how do you describe a groundball hit to jeter?? there's a slow roller to center.
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soriano has played 2nd before. neither jeter nor arod has ever played 3rd. they ARE morons for playing arod at 3rd. now they have a questionable shortstop and a guy out of possition. with soriano, no one has to tell giambi or matsui or whoever they have to bat 6th
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in a related development, which is good news for sports fans:
Tuesday, February 17, 2004
Associated Press
LEANDER, Texas -- AstroTurf-maker Southwest Recreational Industries Inc., which installed an artificial playing surface at the Louisiana Superdome, has filed for bankruptcy protection and is going out of business.
The bankruptcy leaves projects in limbo at athletic facilities across the country, including new turf scheduled for the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minneapolis, where the Twins, Vikings and University of Minnesota Golden Gophers play.
Leander-based SRI cut more than 300 jobs before the filing, holding on to 190 employees companywide to help it shut down in the next two weeks, the Austin American-Statesman reported Tuesday.
In its bankruptcy filing, the company said it will sell two small divisions that make portable sports flooring and equipment for volleyball, gymnastics and basketball. But SRI's most well-known products, football fields and running tracks, will be discontinued in the next few weeks.
Calls to SRI went unanswered on Tuesday.
The Friday filing in Rome, Ga., caps a dramatic decline for the company, which once was the industry leader in sports surfaces with millions in sales and fast growth. The heavily indebted company grew faster than management or its systems could handle, according to the bankruptcy filing.
In mid-2003, the company hired a new CEO and an investment banker to explore its options.
"It is surprising to see a company go under so quickly," said Robert Sills, whose company, Martin Surfacing Inc. of Lancaster, Pa., is listed as SRI's second-largest creditor, with a $6.3 million claim. "They were the industry leaders and seemed quite profitable and seemed to be in good shape. And it all came unraveled pretty quickly."
SRI ended the year with $156.9 million in revenue, a nearly 29 percent drop from $220 million in 2002, as reported by business research firm Hoover's Inc.
In its bankruptcy filing, the company said it had about $102 million in assets and $88 million in liabilities as of Dec. 31. It also said the company has more than 1,000 creditors.
AstroTurf, the first artificial playing field surface, was created more than 30 years ago. Artificial turf came to professional sports in 1966, when it was used to carpet the Astrodome, inspiring the AstroTurf brand name.
SRI, which entered into the artificial turf business in 1989, bought AstroTurf Industries Inc. in 1994 from St. Louis-based Balsam Corp., which had filed for bankruptcy.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
in a related development, which is good news for sports fans:
Amen.
Football and baseball should NOT be played indoors.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by mankie:
I agree that Madrid got Beckham for his celeb and marketing status as much as for his football talents, but he's every bit the player he's hyped to be and I would take him any day over the goofy-toothed Brazillian in Barcelona.
Man Utd sure as hell aren't the same team without him, but that's the price you pay when you have an arrogant bastard for a manager.
Just out of curiosity, have you seen the last two goals of Ronaldinho? In then days he has scored two amazing goals against Osasuna and At. Madrid. As for Manchester United, I don't know, I think that with Henry, Arsenal has the best player in the world and they look really tough in the premier league. I was also surprised by Reyes, the Spaniard they just got and the incredible goals he scored against Chelsea this weekend. [/b]
I do think Arsenal are slightly better than United this season, but what makes United the greatest team in the world is their ability to win when the odds are against them, thanks to the captain Roy Keane....he can bring out the best in his players, either by inspiration or out and out fear. Remember last season when Arsenal were ahead by 15 points with about 12 games to go? No other team could've come back to win the premiership other than United.
Having said all that, if they don't put a plug in that leaky bucket they call the defence the trophy room at Old Trafford will be empty this summer.
I didn't see the two goals you are talking about, but from what I've seen of him he's very inconsistent.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
in a related development, which is good news for sports fans:
Amen.
Football and baseball should NOT be played indoors. [/b]
Not even arena runny-catchy?
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Top teams of the last three years in MLB:
1. Mariners, 302 wins
2. A's 301 wins
3. Yankees, 299 wins
And not a World Series Title in any of those three years for the lot:
2001: Arizona Diamondbacks
2002: Anaheim Angels
2003: Florida Marlins
And the same could be said for the top 3 salaries over those years as well - you could probably extend it to the top 5 (I'm guessing Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Braves, and Dodgers).
At first I was pissed at the Evil Empire for making the move, but then I thought to myself, after Kevin Brown gets hurt, does anyone really think that Mussina, Lieber, Vasquez and Contreras are going to get the job done. I sure as hell don't.
If you want to get mad, blame baseball for letting it happen, but then think to yourself, all this is is another distraction for a team that has lost it's focus and it's edge in October. Only Boston is really afraid of this team and I'm not even sure that's true anymore. The best team in the AL will come from the West this year but you won't know it until it happens because the media only focus's on Boston and NY but has missed the improvements made by Oakland, Seattle and Anaheim.
Take Anaheim alone: Seriously - Bartolo Colon, Jarod Washburn, Kelvim Escobar, Ramon Ortiz, Aaron Sele/John Lackey with Brendan Donolley, K-rod and Troy Percival in the pen - and that's just the pitching staff! The only other thing Anaheim did was add 30 HR hitter Jose Guillen and some guy named Vlad Guerrero to join Garret Anderson, Troy Glaus, Adam Kennedy and Darin Erstad.
The pitching in NY is only marginally better than what A-Rod had in Texas. They can score more runs in NY, but they sure as hell are going to have to.
A big YAWN to the move. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Take Anaheim alone: Seriously
with that stupid monkey dancing on the jumbotron. no, you cant take them seriously.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
although i am still bitter that they called sid bream safe at the plate when he was out by a fucking mile.
If i remember right Sid Bream was the slowest guy on that team, you could roll the ball to homeplate and still get him out. I also remember a snail passing him as he rounded third, maybe thats what the catcher tagged instead of Bream.
Oh yeah, THE YANKEES RULE!!!!!!!!!! Its not their fault the owners that the they pay with the taxes pocket the money instead of going out and getting better players.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
At first I was pissed at the Evil Empire for making the move, but then I thought to myself, after Kevin Brown gets hurt.
Take Anaheim alone: Seriously - Bartolo Colon, Jarod Washburn, Kelvim Escobar, Ramon Ortiz, Aaron Sele/John Lackey with Brendan Donolley, K-rod and Troy Percival in the pen - and that's just the pitching staff! The only other thing Anaheim did was add 30 HR hitter Jose Guillen and some guy named Vlad Guerrero to join Garret Anderson, Troy Glaus, Adam Kennedy and Darin Erstad.
The pitching in NY is only marginally better than what A-Rod had in Texas. They can score more runs in NY, but they sure as hell are going to have to.
A big YAWN to the move. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. [/QB]
Ok first if your gonna talk about whats gonna happen if Kevin Brown gets hurt then you have to wonder whats gonna happen to Anaheim when Vladimir get hurt, chances are he'll go down before Brown does then they have nothing. Well they have last years team. As for the Yankees pitching staff being marginally better than Texas? I cant see Chan Ho Park comparing to any of the Yankees starters......even in Columbus.
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i have four words for you Guiny
Schilling, Wakefield, Martinez, Lowe
ok?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i have four words for you Guiny
Schilling, Wakefield, Martinez, Lowe
ok?
I have two words for Wakefield.....Aaron Boone...ok so he's hurt but it was still fun to say. Also the Yanks have great success against Pedro, can you say Enrique Wilson....LOL.....As of right now Schilling has the Yanks number but he's not getting any younger. If Lowe becomes the Lowe of two years ago then that staff could be very, very dangerous. I'm still not convinced Wakefield will have another good year.
Also i'm surprised you havent rubbed the Bruins win over the Maple Leafs last night in yet :D
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Also i'm surprised you havent rubbed the Bruins win over the Maple Leafs last night in yet :D
Ahh, yes. 5-2 was very nice. Don't worry, you're still in first and until the Bruins take the division lead, i will keep quiet.
(does anyone else find it wierd that I am from Toronto, Guiny is from New England and we are routing for the wrong teams?)
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Well they have last years team. As for the Yankees pitching staff being marginally better than Texas? I cant see Chan Ho Park comparing to any of the Yankees starters......even in Columbus.
well, i think chan ho park has thrown more pitches the last two years than lieber and contreras. lieber was a good pitcher, but the first season back after tommy john surgery. . .he's not gonna be the workhorse he once was. contreras is another cuban pitcher who suckered a team to pay alot for him. brown is gonna blow out something, and mussina will be the only one left standing at the end of the year, as he moves 20 wins closer to 300.
i'm with smackie on this. . the yanks do not have the pitching to get them through the playoffs this year. i'm really looking forward to watching the entire al east beat themselves up, while the west sees seattle fold in september and a's rise up glorious, once again. :)
but i think the nl is gonna win the series again. . .be it philly, houston or chicago. a yanks/cubs series would be fun because you have the ultimate fantasy teams facing each other. . .one built on pitching and one built on hitting. . .
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Red Sox over Philadelphia this year.
or i am really going to start hurting people.
i just hope we either win the WS or go 79-85!!
i can't handle another playoff series like last years.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
(does anyone else find it wierd that I am from Toronto, Guiny is from New England and we are routing for the wrong teams?) [/QB]
I was thinking the exact same thing....Well not why i liked Toronto but how you became a hated Boston fan. ;)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i'm with smackie on this. . the yanks do not have the pitching to get them through the playoffs this year. [/QB]
You seem to forget the power of George Steinbrenner's wallet, Mike Mussina will NOT be the last starter standing. We'll have at least two more starters by the time the trade deadline is over......LOL.......
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
(does anyone else find it wierd that I am from Toronto, Guiny is from New England and we are routing for the wrong teams?) [/b]
I was thinking the exact same thing....Well not why i liked Toronto but how you became a hated Boston fan. ;) [/QB]
I can't imagine why anyone would support Boston, period....Boston or Philly. HATE EM BOTH!
:mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
(does anyone else find it wierd that I am from Toronto, Guiny is from New England and we are routing for the wrong teams?) [/b]
I was thinking the exact same thing....Well not why i liked Toronto but how you became a hated Boston fan. ;) [/QB]
Actually, it is easy, one half of my family lives in Massachusetts and if you dont remember, Toronto SUCKED bad for a long long time (80s and 90s) and Boston was damn good. So, to spite my buddies and have a winning team, i routed for Boston. Cam Neely, Terry O' Reilly, and Ray Borque were MUCH more fun to watch than Rob Ramage and Doug Gilmour!
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i'm with smackie on this. . the yanks do not have the pitching to get them through the playoffs this year. [/b]
You seem to forget the power of George Steinbrenner's wallet, Mike Mussina will NOT be the last starter standing. We'll have at least two more starters by the time the trade deadline is over......LOL....... [/QB]
Guiny, you run your mouth a lot for guy who doesn't have one starting left hander in the rotation....NOT A SINGLE ONE. Forget about it! You've only got one lefty on the entire staff! (And don't think I don't pray every day that the Halo's don't trade Washburn to New York) And Kevin Brown is 38 years old for christ's sake! He hasn't thrown into October in since the mid-90's.
And as for Vlad, he's playing on natural grass now in warm weather, just what an aching back needs.
As much as I could watch Game 6 of the 2002 World Series over and over again, I will forever tell my kids about the 5th inning of the Division Series like Luke Skywalker crushing Steinbrenner, I mean the Emperor, Leah and Han beating up every storm Trooper with the help of the little Monkeys, I mean Ewoks, and Lando and friends blowing up the Death Star!
Go ahead, build a bigger, stronger Death Star every year Guiny, and hopefully someone will step up every year and crush it. Well, except Boston, because thet are still afraid of you. You can see it in their fans and in the press. Everytime the Yankees make a huge move, it's the folks in Boston you hear crying the loudest and that's because they are afraid. They need on inning like THE INNING and they won't be afraid either.
10/05/2002 9:51 pm ET
It will be forever etched: The inning
Bust-out frame may have been the end to The Curse
By Doug Miller / MLB.com
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- Maybe years down the road, when Angels fans ponder the history of their team, they'll forget for one minute about the misery brought on by Dave Henderson.
They'll let the year 1995 just roll by without even a sneer.
They'll look up at the sky and maybe even smile while thinking of Donnie Moore.
One thing's certain: They'll never forget The Inning.
Angels fans, conditioned to practically Pavlovian pessimism, convinced of a curse, reduced a packed Edison Field to a library-like hush Saturday.
The Yankees led Game 4 of the American League Division Series, 2-1, going into the bottom of the fifth inning.
David Wells was cruising through their lineup with a low pitch count, and the team charter was probably rolling from the hangar out to the tarmac.
"Start spreading the news," thought Angels fans. "They're leaving today."
Leaving for a certain Game 5 showdown in a Yankee Stadium packed like a 56,000-seat subway car of adrenaline.
Leaving their plucky, unlikely season behind in another one-and-out playoff series scenario.
Then came The Inning.
Shawn Wooten led off by hammering a Wells offering over the center-field wall to tie it at 2-2 and wake up the crowd.
"I got to 2-and-0, I saw a good pitch to hit, and I put a good swing on it," Wooten said. "I guess that kind of got things rolling."
Indeed. After Bengie Molina flew out to right, the barrage began.
Benji Gil singled to center, David Eckstein singled to right, Darin Erstad blooped a single to center, Tim Salmon singled to left-center, Garret Anderson singled to right, and all of a sudden the Angels led, 5-2.
There was a brief pause in the avalanche while Troy Glaus flied out to right, and then the roll continued.
Scott Spiezio singled, the Yankees took out Wells and put in Ramiro Mendoza, Wooten singled and Molina doubled.
The Angels led, 9-2, and the American League Division Series was, for all intents and purposes, over. The curse had been lifted. For the first time in their history, the Angels had advanced in the playoffs.
The Angels scored eight runs and banged out 10 hits before the Yankees could get three outs.
"It's kind of been the club all year long," Salmon said. "That's been the trademark of this club. A guy gets on base, a base hit, first and third. Before you know it, I mean, it was like every time there's a hit, it was first and third. We've had innings like that where things kind of come together. It was just awesome."
That seemed to be the operative word.
"It was awesome to be a part of it," Gil said. "We started the inning just saying we needed focus, having just gone down, 2-1. We knew once Woot hit that ball and the game was tied that if we could get something going, this could be a huge inning."
Gil didn't realize how huge it was. It was the first time a team got 10 hits in a postseason inning since the Philadelphia A's accomplished the feat in Game 4 of the 1929 World Series.
The Angels also set ALDS records for most batters and at-bats in one inning (13), most singles in one inning (eight), and most runs in an inning (eight). It was the first time the Angels recorded 10 hits in an inning this year.
So what do they do for an encore?
Get back to work, according to drenched-in-champagne closer Troy Percival.
"We're ready to move on, whether it's Oakland or Minnesota," Percival said. "You've got two very tough teams ahead of us. I think our celebration will be over here in about 30, 40 minutes. The guys are already starting to focus in on the next series."
But they'll never forget The Inning.
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I'm pretty sure that the only time I've seen Guiny he was wearing a Colorado Rockies shirt.
When did you become a Yankees fan?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I'm pretty sure that the only time I've seen Guiny he was wearing a Colorado Rockies shirt.
When did you become a Yankees fan?
Steinbrenner bought him.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I'm pretty sure that the only time I've seen Guiny he was wearing a Colorado Rockies shirt.
When did you become a Yankees fan?
Steinbrenner bought him. [/b]
George may want to consider a trade.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Actually, it is easy, one half of my family lives in Massachusetts and if you dont remember, Toronto SUCKED bad for a long long time (80s and 90s) and Boston was damn good. So, to spite my buddies and have a winning team, i routed for Boston. Cam Neely, Terry O' Reilly, and Ray Borque were MUCH more fun to watch than Rob Ramage and Doug Gilmour! [/QB]
Oh i remember the days of Toronto sucking, i had to live thru about ten years of it, but i stuck with them like a true fan should. :roll:
Don't forget the days of Rick Vaive, i believe that was his first name.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
QUOTE]Guiny, you run your mouth a lot for guy who doesn't have one starting left hander in the rotation....NOT A SINGLE ONE.
Yup your right, we dont have a single lefty in the lineup and that will hurt for a bit. But dont think for a second we'll go the whole year without one. Jared Washburn and Odalis Perez have already been rumoured to go to the Yankees. Sure they are no Barry Zito but we'll take what we can get. If i looked right i dont believe Schilling, Pedro, Lowe or Wakefield are lefties either. I have no idea right now who Bostons fifth starter is but if its Byung "choke against the Yankees" Kim, then theres another righty. As for Vlad., your right, the warm weather and grass will surely be big relief for him BUT within the last five or six years he's had about 80 other different injuries, he's now the Larry Walker of the American League.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
if you dont remember, Toronto SUCKED bad for a long long time (80s and 90s)
90s?? are you forgetting 1992 and 1993??? you'd think back to back championships would keep people at bay, at least for a little while. also, the made the alcs in 1985, 1989, and 1991.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
if you dont remember, Toronto SUCKED bad for a long long time (80s and 90s)
90s?? are you forgetting 1992 and 1993??? you'd think back to back championships would keep people at bay, at least for a little while. also, the made the alcs in 1985, 1989, and 1991. [/b]
i think me and guiny were referring to the Maple Leafs. no one, even in toronto, likes the Blue Jays.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think me and guiny were referring to the Maple Leafs. no one, even in toronto, likes the Blue Jays.
ahhh. . my bad.
btw, i am a huge fred mcgriff fan. . .just found my mcgriff blue jays jersey again.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think me and guiny were referring to the Maple Leafs. no one, even in toronto, likes the Blue Jays.
ahhh. . my bad.
btw, i am a huge fred mcgriff fan. . .just found my mcgriff blue jays jersey again. [/b]
Didn't he take a bite out of crime?
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I think you should be a huge Joe Carter fan, not McGriff.