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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Sage 703 on November 20, 2008, 01:06:00 pm
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But Chinese Democracy has seen official release:
http://www.myspace.com/gunsnroses (http://www.myspace.com/gunsnroses)
And perhaps most surprisingly, it doesn't suck.
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myspace is blocked at my work. being a huge fan of gnr back in the day i will give this a listen when i get home but im not expecting much. ill keep my fingers crossed though.
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i'll be curious to hear what the differences are (if any) from the june leaked version.
manimtired: you'll probably enjoy this. it really is a solid album.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
it really is a solid album.
i remain super skeptical at that. In fact, i wonder how any adult could actually find Guns N Roses music enjoyable without the songs having sentimental value. That leaked version was the pits and i dont plan on listening to the new one.
There, in 10 minutes i disposed the credibility of Guns N Roses AND Justice :)
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I sorta feel like waiting a bunch of years before getting the LP.
Well.. maybe a few weeks will be enough punishment for Axl.. Yeah, that'll show 'im!
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this is awful
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It's hard to imagine it could be anything other than bland, dated, and formulaic.
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just a tad bit over produced.
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I'm going to agree with manimtired on this one. What the hell is up with that first song. Seriously.
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somewhat coherent, nicely produced (esp guitars), often likeable vibe, unholy monstrosity. closer to meatloaf bat out of hell II: back in hell than appetite . . . but thats something
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It's not Guns'n'Roses, it's the Axl Rose solo record. If you operate on that idea, it's OK. But it really isn't a G'n'R record.
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Yeah, its not GNR . . . literally and figuratively . . . although it does sound related to the parts of the Use Your Illusions which also wasn't really GNR.
I have to say there is definitely something endearing about the album.
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Just curious...how was Use Your Illusion (or parts of it) not a GNR album?
Originally posted by Mobius:
although it does sound related to the parts of the Use Your Illusions which also wasn't really GNR
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for example, i think a song like november rain was basically an axl solo song that 4/5 of the original GNR played on.
there's a lot of overblown axl-heavy stuff on there where the former soul of GNR ain't apparent.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Just curious...how was Use Your Illusion (or parts of it) not a GNR album?
easy: because it's not appetite for destruction. only appetite is "really" a GnR album. everything else is wannabe-GnR, even the subsequent albums made by GnR :roll:
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i wonder what type of venues they will play when they tour..are they verizon big? patriot center big? or DAR big?...or will album sales help determine this?
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by nkotb:
Just curious...how was Use Your Illusion (or parts of it) not a GNR album?
easy: because it's not appetite for destruction. only appetite is "really" a GnR album. everything else is wannabe-GnR, even the subsequent albums made by GnR :roll: [/b]
The emoticon suggests skepticism (or worse), but i think it's true that Use Your Illusions are GNR albums in as much as the White Album is a Beatles album - which is to say 'fractured'. Its Axl-heavy in parts, Izzy-heavy in parts, and occasionally a full-on GNR effort (eg You Could Be Mine and Civil War). And a lot of bad songs which I'll pretend don't exist (unlike the White Album).
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Originally posted by manimtired:
i wonder what type of venues they will play when they tour..are they verizon big? patriot center big? or DAR big?...or will album sales help determine this?
I think album sales and Axl's ego will help determine it. My guess is they shoot for Verizon, but definitely nowhere smaller than the Patriot Center.
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Didn't they play Verizon a couple years ago? And that was with no album out. I know they were scheduled to, but a bunch of shows were cancelled.
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Show at Verizon in 2002, along with many other arena shows, were cancelled, presumably as a result of poor ticket sales (disguised as 'illness'). In 2006 they played 1st Mariner - no idea how that tour sold generally.
Certainly before the album came out, most folks couldn't wrap there head around the surreal concept of GNR being Axl, Buckethead, Tommy Stinson etc. Now its easier - since the GNR brand has been shapeshifted and people may be more comfortable that this GNR isn't the old GNR but may still have some value.
Personally I think Axl should continue to lay low, play a handfull of selected big shows that can be hyped individually (MSG, The Forum or Staples), lay low some more, and then maybe reform the old band for massive tour . . . although it seems like that ship has sailed
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"Appetite for Destruction" was a flash of brilliance -- and not just Axl brilliance but Izzy and Slash. Like the best inspirations, it was more than the sum of the parts. Unfortunately, Axl's been trading on that one moment of brilliance for more than 20 years now.
Even if "Chinese Democracy" were as good as "Use Your Illusions," which was good but no "Appetite," the overwhelming question would be "why?" Who really needs an over-produced trip back to the early 1990s? Unless you're the type of fan for whom a band you love can never do wrong, it's hard to imagine what this adds to anyone's life.
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its not really a trip back to the early 1990s, or connected to any time, really. its more like the soundtrack to a musical. axl might be the next andrew lloyd webber. and this might actually work as a musical - vampire rock opera or otherwise.
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glowsticks are awesome but not at 930 boooooooo
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i like glowsticks in a frozen, hypnotic, margarita, made with silver patron. no boo.
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dunno if you've noticed, but your protest for glowstick justice is getting no traction. currently, you're alone on this one. but keep up the good fight!
personally, i think glowsticks are annoying visual clutter. what is this, a 1993 rave?
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next thing you know, he/she will be advocating whistle blowing at shows.
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This is intriguing... what is Glowstick's protest based on? Are they banned? Did someone get glow-chemical in their eye at a show?
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Looks like they're giving away a ton of Dr. Pepper. Their website doesn't seem to be able to handle the traffic.
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That would be an odd twist if Guns n Roses manages to put Dr. Pepper out of business...
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Loved the album leak then, love it just as much now. The only major difference I can tell is actual song titles this time. I'm hoping they do a completely ridiculous stop at SXSW, and play a random tiny show at Stubbs or something, then do like a 10-city arena tour. That'd be so sweet...yeah.
Shit, I'd settle for Coachella then arena tour. But I'd love to see some of this stuff in a smaller setting.
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Aren't there any alternative music lovers left out there? Certainly not on this board.
When I was a young one, you listened to Sonic Youth or Squirrel Bait or Camper or Black Flag or maybe you listened to the British stuff like the Smiths or the Housemartins or New Order or Billy Bragg.
You laughed at Guns N Roses. I mean, what the fuck. C'mon people. Guns N Roses, that's fucking boring mainstream bullshit brought to you by corporate cockrock mainstreet America. Music for tools. T-shirt coming to a mall foodcourt near you. Sponsored by Dr. Pepper, Sarah Palin's drink of choice.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Aren't there any alternative music lovers left out there? Certainly not on this board.
When I was a young one, you listened to Sonic Youth or Squirrel Bait or Camper or Black Flag or maybe you listened to the British stuff like the Smiths or the Housemartins or New Order or Billy Bragg.
You laughed at Guns N Roses. I mean, what the fuck. C'mon people. Guns N Roses, that's fucking boring mainstream bullshit brought to you by corporate cockrock mainstreet America. Music for tools. T-shirt coming to a mall foodcourt near you. Sponsored by Dr. Pepper, Sarah Palin's drink of choice.
I have to disagree. GNR was a gritty, bluesy, more balls to the wall shot in the arm that the mainstream "hair-metal" desperately needed in the late 80's. Watered down pop-metal like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, or even worse, Danger Danger and their like were dominating the airwaves. Appetite for Destruction was certainly not corporate rock. It actually took close to a year after its release before it made any big impact. Granted, by the time of Use Your Illusion, they were an over-bloated circus, but could still churn out some damn good rock tunes that walked the line between pop-metal and blues rock.
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Remind me, what label did it come out on?
Originally posted by Arthwys:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Aren't there any alternative music lovers left out there? Certainly not on this board.
When I was a young one, you listened to Sonic Youth or Squirrel Bait or Camper or Black Flag or maybe you listened to the British stuff like the Smiths or the Housemartins or New Order or Billy Bragg.
You laughed at Guns N Roses. I mean, what the fuck. C'mon people. Guns N Roses, that's fucking boring mainstream bullshit brought to you by corporate cockrock mainstreet America. Music for tools. T-shirt coming to a mall foodcourt near you. Sponsored by Dr. Pepper, Sarah Palin's drink of choice.
I have to disagree. GNR was a gritty, bluesy, more balls to the wall shot in the arm that the mainstream "hair-metal" desperately needed in the late 80's. Watered down pop-metal like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, or even worse, Danger Danger and their like were dominating the airwaves. Appetite for Destruction was certainly not corporate rock. It actually took close to a year after its release before it made any big impact. Granted, by the time of Use Your Illusion, they were an over-bloated circus, but could still churn out some damn good rock tunes that walked the line between pop-metal and blues rock. [/b]
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i happened to think that g'n'r record pretty muched rawked and i was listening to plently of "alternative" music at the time...
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no no no, the opinions of an alternative music lover have nothing to do with the actual music... they're solely based on what label the album comes out on and what the band's public image is. get with the program.
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Charlie you are just old! I was just 10 when Appetite for Destruction came out and it was the coolest thing since Wayne Gretzky, and by the time the Use Your Illusion tour was over, i wasnt even old enough to drive. I believe many other people on this board are about my age.
I can agree that if that album came out when i was 20 (arent you like 40?) I would have never listened to it. ever.
so there you go. :)
GNR was my first show ever in 1988 (opening for Aerosmith) and probably the album i have the most memories tied to in life. That said, i would never even attempt to see them lve again, it would be too depressing.
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Indeed, Appetite came out in 1987, when I was 20. With my head deep into college radio fare, there's no way I was going to listen to Gun N Roses. It sounded like slick, overproduced dreck then, and still does now.
I won't tell you what I listened to when I was 10. Actually, I probably wasn't even allowed to listen to rock music when I was 10.
Originally posted by very sonick:
Charlie you are just old! I was just 10 when Appetite for Destruction came out and it was the coolest thing since Wayne Gretzky, and by the time the Use Your Illusion tour was over, i wasnt even old enough to drive. I believe many other people on this board are about my age.
I can agree that if that album came out when i was 20 (arent you like 40?) I would have never listened to it. ever.
so there you go. :)
GNR was my first show ever in 1988 (opening for Aerosmith) and probably the album i have the most memories tied to in life. That said, i would never even attempt to see them lve again, it would be too depressing.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Indeed, Appetite came out in 1987, when I was 20. With my head deep into college radio fare, there's no way I was going to listen to Gun N Roses. It sounded like slick, overproduced dreck then, and still does now.
I won't tell you what I listened to when I was 10. Actually, I probably wasn't even allowed to listen to rock music when I was 10.
sorry, didnt mean to call you old ;) but yeah, i didnt know anyone when i was 10 who was listening to Sonic Youth and the Smiths. Just as i didnt knwo anyone, when i was 20, listening to Limp Bizkit and Korn. but i'm sure it was happening.
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But I am old. The truth is the truth.
I had a college buddy who was listening to the Sex Pistols when he was 10, but he was definitely the exception to the rule in my redneck geographical region.
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Rhett, nice Squirrel Bait shoutout. Loved that band. That one song Hammering so Hard was just greatâ?¦.
I was 16 when Appetite came out, didnâ??t care for it then or now. When I was 16 If it wasnâ??t punk rock I just didnâ??t careâ?¦
Had a lot of stoner/metal friends and they seemed to like it.
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I was just talking with a friend about how when we were teenagers, we missed out on a lot of cool stuff, simply because we thought ourselves too punk rock and therefore above tolerating anything we deemed "mainstream." I regret that narrow-mindedness and am glad we grew out of that.
On the other hand, these days I'm anything but cool, even in my own mind, and I can't imagine listening to the new GNR. But I still think "Appetite" is something special that still standa apart even today.
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Originally posted by Global Financial Doom:
I was just talking with a friend about how when we were teenagers, we missed out on a lot of cool stuff, simply because we thought ourselves too punk rock and therefore above tolerating anything we deemed "mainstream." I regret that narrow-mindedness and am glad we grew out of that.
sellout.
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Originally posted by Global Financial Doom:
I was just talking with a friend about how when we were teenagers, we missed out on a lot of cool stuff, simply because we thought ourselves too punk rock and therefore above tolerating anything we deemed "mainstream." I regret that narrow-mindedness and am glad we grew out of that.
On the other hand, these days I'm anything but cool, even in my own mind, and I can't imagine listening to the new GNR. But I still think "Appetite" is something special that still standa apart even today.
I can definately agree with you here, i missed out on a lot of great 80's music the first time around cuz i was so stuck in my punk rock ways. Bands like the Smiths, Cure, stuff like that. Too many to even think of now.
But GnR, just don't do it for me. Then or now.
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but you both would have missed some great punk music if you had been dancing around to Wham! all decade, dont forget that!
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Sonick, good point... but somewhere there's a happy medium!
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Hah...When I was 13 I went to London and stayed with a family that was relatives of some of our neighbors. At the time I was just really getting into music for the first time and had just discovered bands like U2, The Alarm and Big Country. The family we were staying with had two boys about my age and I was really really stoked to go to London and meet all these people that were blessed with some sort of cultural enlightenment...
When i got there and finally had the chance to ask the kids and their friends what kind of music they liked, what bands they were into, they all said "Wham". I was like what the fuck is Wham. A few weeks after I got back Wham got huge in the US and another illusion was shattered. The Brits, generally speaking, are just as tacky and tasteless as Americans.
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I was at Best Buy yesterday, saw the display. Don't care. I'll download it for sure.