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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Justin Tonation on March 29, 2005, 07:52:00 pm
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And, despite the mainstream success he enjoyed with "Play" and "18," he still relishes being very much out of the mainstream....
Don't you realize that you are about as removed from the mainstream as Jack Johnson and Beck? (Beck, Moby and Johnson hold the top 3 spots in iTunes album chart)
"It just seem like musicians want to sell a few records and put out a perfume line, and I think it's so sad that there are so many musicians who don't want to change the world," he says, frustration clear in his voice. "Music has been so much more."
Yes, after all, your music has stood for credit cards, new cars, department stores, PCs, coffee, sneakers....
Whole article (http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/29/moby.feature.ap/index.html)
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i like some of the stuff moby has done, but as much as i want to like him more, i just am not capable of doing so. for anything good he's done, there's a collaboration with gwen stefani or something to offset it.
he's a bit annoying. not as annoying and not as much of a media whore as bono, but he still is one.
i saw him @ 9:30 for like $12 i think.. can't believe that was getting close to 10 years ago, but i don't think i'd ever go see him again. when i saw him, he somehow managed to make all his techno songs sound exactly alike, even though they don't on the albums.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
"It just seem like musicians want to sell a few records and put out a perfume line, and I think it's so sad that there are so many musicians who don't want to change the world," he says, frustration clear in his voice. "Music has been so much more."
He was on the Apprentice a couple weeks back. I'm sure Trump is a big Moby fan. :roll:
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Originally posted by distance:
there's a collaboration with gwen stefani
<img src="http://badgas.co.uk/lookunlikes/stefani.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Moby used to be brilliant...the show in 1995 at the Black Cat was amazing, even as recent as 1999 he was still great to see live. I just am not that into 18 and Hotel. He seems like he'd be better off playing Vegas or something.
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I hate it when one of my favorite songs is relegated to selling something (Modest Mouse--Nissan) or functioning as background music for vapid television (Spoon, et al on the OC soundtrack).
Thankfully, I was bored shitless by every track on Play. It's perfect and passive late 90s muzak.
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I had dinner with him one time (seriously). And he's really one of the coolest people i have ever met. he's a very fascinating person. not diggin' the new music though.
"If I were a woman, I'd sure like to be his girlfriend... Walking in the park hand-in-hand, wrapping my legs around him, cuddling in the spoon position, our hearts beating in unison, staring into his eyes over our morning coffee..."
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Did he hit on you?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I had dinner with him one time (seriously). And he's really one of the coolest people i have ever met. he's a very fascinating person. not diggin' the new music though.
"If I were a woman, I'd sure like to be his girlfriend... Walking in the park hand-in-hand, wrapping my legs around him, cuddling in the spoon position, our hearts beating in unison, staring into his eyes over our morning coffee..."
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I had dinner with him one time (seriously). And he's really one of the coolest people i have ever met. he's a very fascinating person. not diggin' the new music though.
Oh, I think he's cool. Every interview with him I've read or seen has been very interesting. But deriding people for selling out after Play... well, that lowers my opinion of him considerably. Wasn't every track from that album licensed to an advertiser?
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Oh, I think he's cool. Every interview with him I've read or seen has been very interesting. But deriding people for selling out after Play... well, that lowers my opinion of him considerably. Wasn't every track from that album licensed to an advertiser?
I never heard him say anything about selling out, after Play. surely he was joking.....
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I lost what little respect I had for Moby when he changed the words to "That's When I Reach For My Revolver".
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I never heard him say anything about selling out, after Play. surely he was joking.....
The quote in the first post of this thread is his... sounded pretty earnest to me. I read the article too, and in the context of the "interview," makes him sound even more out of touch with reality.
I love the whole rationalization of making "accessible" music. Essentially it's lamentable when someone else (Gwen Stefani) uses a guest-producer, but when I co-produce a Britney Spears song, that's art, because I want to change pop music.
Riiiight.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I lost what little respect I had for Moby when he changed the words to "That's When I Reach For My Revolver".
Happiness is A Warm Fun!
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
The quote in the first post of this thread is his... sounded pretty earnest to me. I read the article too, and in the context of the "interview," makes him sound even more out of touch with reality.
I love the whole rationalization of making "accessible" music. Essentially it's lamentable when someone else (Gwen Stefani) uses a guest-producer, but when I co-produce a Britney Spears song, that's art, because I want to change pop music.
Riiiight.
i think Moby's reality is completely different than yours or mine. its tough not to see things so black and white.
Moby is a much more talented musician than almost anyone still alive today, I assure you.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think Moby's reality is completely different than yours or mine. its tough not to see things so black and white.
Moby is a much more talented musician than almost anyone still alive today, I assure you. [/b]
I can definitely agree with all of that. I stop short of calling it hypocrisy because I don't know him, but it is sort of a contradiction for him to blast others for "selling perfume" or guest production and not turn that finger on himself. I'd put him near the top in terms of musicianship/production, but in terms of songwriting, I'm just not feeling it.
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you know why the music you love is now making it into ads and thus ruining it for you? Because smarmy indie hipsters like yourselves are now old enough to hold jobs of influence in the advertising industry, and they're seizing the reins of power to force the music they love on the masses. Revenge of the nerds, if you will.
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
I can definitely agree with all of that. I stop short of calling it hypocrisy because I don't know him, but it is sort of a contradiction for him to blast others for "selling perfume" or guest production and not turn that finger on himself. I'd put him near the top in terms of musicianship/production, but in terms of songwriting, I'm just not feeling it.
ha! true, his songs dont move me. from talking to him (though it was pre-play that i met him) i think he is thinking all this marketing and guest-production he is doing is for some big cause or some unique reason and that others are just trying to cash in, and maybe thats true for him, but maybe he doesnt know everyone else agenda like he thinks he does!
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Originally posted by Confssions of an Englsh Opium Eater:
smarmy indie hipsters
who the hell are you calling a "smarmy indie hipster" ????
:) i certainly hold no job of importance in any industry.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Confssions of an Englsh Opium Eater:
smarmy indie hipsters
who the hell are you calling a "smarmy indie hipster" ????
:) i certainly hold no job of importance in any industry. [/b]
just pulling collective legs. :)
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I lost what little respect I had for Moby when he changed the words to "That's When I Reach For My Revolver".
wasn't that only for the video on mtv, though?
he should have just let them bleep it like all the rap videos.
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Originally posted by distance:
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I lost what little respect I had for Moby when he changed the words to "That's When I Reach For My Revolver".
wasn't that only for the video on mtv, though?
he should have just let them bleep it like all the rap videos. [/b]
Dunno. I've only heard the song via the video.
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Is that vansmack in his Halloween costume?
Originally posted by Y. P. Blood:
Originally posted by distance:
there's a collaboration with gwen stefani
<img src="http://badgas.co.uk/lookunlikes/stefani.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/b]
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Originally posted by distance:
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I lost what little respect I had for Moby when he changed the words to "That's When I Reach For My Revolver".
wasn't that only for the video on mtv, though?
he should have just let them bleep it like all the rap videos. [/b]
Dunno. I've only heard the song via the video. [/b]
when the singles came out before the album they said (in big letters) "that's when i reach for my revolver" on them. i know it's been a while since i listened to the album, but i'm 100% certain that it wasn't changed on the album, only on mtv.
mtv censors things so unnecessarily.
such as 'cement shoes' from 'drop it like it's hot', but won't hesitate to show nearly-naked, poorly-blurred people making out on their spring break stuff.
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I went to check out the show tonight. My overall thoughts: it was good, not great by any means. I guess that anyone that likes Moby's music will appreciate certain things he does more than others. For me, anything pre-1996 is pretty great, I even like Animal Rights (which he ignored tonight, despite it being his favorite record of his own). I enjoyed Play when it came out, and it was nice to hear those songs, but the totally unnecessary version of "Temptation" by New Order ripped out all of the joy and originality of the original. The Lou Reed covers were a little bizarre, and though there are a few decent songs off Hotel, they don't quite compare to anything off of Everything is Wrong. The 3 highlights were easily "Go", "Next is the E" and "Feeling So Real". But of the nearly 2 hours of music, I just thought he could have done better. His performances used to be one gigantic rush from start to finish...when I saw him at the Black Cat I remember he did stuff like "Ah Ah", "Thousand", and he did a very competent version of "New Dawn Fades". Anyway, I'm glad I went tonight, it just wasn't what he's capable of. On the plus side, the lighting was some of the very best I've ever seen at the 9:30.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
...when I saw him at the Black Cat I remember he did stuff like "Ah Ah", "Thousand", and he did a very competent version of "New Dawn Fades". Anyway, I'm glad I went tonight, it just wasn't what he's capable of. On the plus side, the lighting was some of the very best I've ever seen at the 9:30.
i would like to have seen/heard the new dawn fades cover live. guess i saw him one tour too late.
i have grown very, very tired of moby as a person and i find myself less and less interested in his music. he just annoys me in general now.
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What Bunnyman said.
Not enough old stuff. too much play.
At least the drunk girl waving the beer bottle and rather intoxicated young man shouting at Moby made the evening a bit more exciting...
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Wouldn't say I'm a Moby fan, but he does make great songs for spinning classes.
I have 'another woman' on one spinning cd I put together, and 'in my heart' on another.
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I also went last night, I rather enjoyed what I saw. But I could see how an old school raver would be disappointed. We left after 45 minutes cause my girlfriend wanted to leave on a high note. The song after he talked about coming to DC and playing in some field at 4 a.m. in the morning. It was the first real rave song he played that night and we didnt want to take a chance that he didnt play another one. So like I said, we left on a high note. :D
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That would have been "Go". After listening to some of Moby's stuff in the past couple of weeks, including the promo of Hotel that I got, I have to say that in 1995 Moby was at the top of his game. He really made some incredible dance music, and in my opinion that is what he did best. It was original and inspired...a lot of the newer stuff is just sort of there, a bit vapid. I love his ambient work too, hell I love Animal Rights. But back in the day there was nothing like him beating the crap out of his octopad thingie and having about 400 people dancing their asses off. I know I'm sounding old and elitist...but it was just more fun. As for him as a person, I met Moby a bunch of times before he got really huge (didn't Play sell over 10 million copies worldwide?) and he was an incredibly nice guy, totally engaging and fun to talk to because he could go from political nerd to music geek to Simpsons fanatic at the drop of a hat. He's always been outspoken, but I agree with distance that these days it just sounds more preachy. Anyway...I'd go see him again if he threw in some more older stuff, especially anything from the Move EP.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
His performances used to be one gigantic rush from start to finish..
The first time i ever came to Baltimore in 1994 it was to see Moby, he did a live set AND a DJ set and he was amazing. He had that song "I like to move it, move it" song stuck in my head for months!
How was Buck 65? did anyone catch him early? I love him. He's Canada's answer to Beck.
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Originally posted by white man from town:
He's Canada's answer to Beck. [/b]
That's supposed to be a good thing is it?
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I was totally thrilled with Moby last night... Ya, it's not what it was in the early/mid 90s, but at least he played Go and next is the E... I can truly say that I'm glad that over 10 years later, I am still able to hear some of my favorite songs by Moby live... I wish he had done thousand though... Oh, and the crowd was sorta dead, I think that a bunch of people there didn't know much about moby or his music, they seemed sorta lost?? I dunno, maybe I'm being too hard... I had a blast though, well worth the money, gotta love the 930 club...
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I saw him play AFTER David Bowie at the Area 2 festival a few years back and all he did was run around the stage and hit some keys on the keyboard at various intervals. Very very bad. I wish he would go away.
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
I saw him play AFTER David Bowie at the Area 2 festival a few years back and all he did was run around the stage and hit some keys on the keyboard at various intervals. Very very bad. I wish he would go away.
well there was that whole debate about him just pressing play on a dat and having his performances pre-recorded a long time ago. i figured he was past that. the 930 show i saw was pretty bad so i wouldn't be very inclined to see him again for that, regardless of how much i might like some of his older material.
i was interested in area:one, but i just wanted to see the orb again and it wasn't worth $50 for a general admission ticket to go all the way up to holmdel nj (the closest date with the orb) just to get to see the orb again.
speaking of which, it's been 4+ years since their last 930 show. they need to be brought back here.