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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Vas Deferens on July 24, 2006, 09:17:00 am
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I'm in.
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There - for Lake Trout!
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We'll be there for the openers.
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Hell yes. Seen Editors four times this year, and will see them any time they come to the area. Phenomenal live band.
And always a pleasure to see Cedars.
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Speaking of Cedars...we finished our record yesterday and uploaded some songs into our myspace http://www.myspace.com/cedars (http://www.myspace.com/cedars)
take a listen, if you like it be sure to check us out on Thursday w/ Editors and Lake Trout.
Cheerio'
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I'll be there! Loved Editors when I saw them earlier this year with Stellastarr*. Really looking forward to seeing them as headliners. I think I was one of the first (if not the first) to purchase a ticket for this show, back when it was $25 instead of the now $15.... And I thought it was a bargain at $25!
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Originally posted by Darth Ed:
I'll be there! Loved Editors when I saw them earlier this year with Stellastarr*. Really looking forward to seeing them as headliners. I think I was one of the first (if not the first) to purchase a ticket for this show, back when it was $25 instead of the now $15.... And I thought it was a bargain at $25!
Yeah Editors are fantastic...and everyone should dismiss the jam-band tag given to Lake Trout..it's not accurate at all...and yes..I reckon 8:15pm would be a good time to be at the club for Cedars.. :)
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Wow, I hadn't noticed the price dropped. I had been thinking $25 was a bit steep, as I've just seen the Editors a few months ago. But, with Cedars on the bill, I'm likely to make it.
So how does the club deal with the situation in which the ticket price goes down? (I'm not sure I've ever seen that before...)
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Originally posted by Bags:
So how does the club deal with the situation in which the ticket price goes down? (I'm not sure I've ever seen that before...)
A mysterious refund showed up on my credit card statement and then, like a week later, tickets.com mailed me a new ticket with the $15 face value, along with some other tickets I had just purchased. I was rather confused at first. Thought tickets.com screwed up and mailed me an extra ticket, but then I noticed that the face value was different... Another week or so later, I think, someone from tickets.com called me on the phone to let me know of the refund, but I had already put two and two together and figured it out by that point. Not sure what they do for people who purchase tickets with cash at the box office, though I imagine they must do something.
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Originally posted by Fico:
Speaking of Cedars...we finished our record yesterday and uploaded some songs into our myspace http://www.myspace.com/cedars (http://www.myspace.com/cedars)
Will not connect. Cheap Rupert Murdoch crap!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Fico:
Speaking of Cedars...we finished our record yesterday and uploaded some songs into our myspace http://www.myspace.com/cedars (http://www.myspace.com/cedars)
Will not connect. Cheap Rupert Murdoch crap! [/b]
No, their servers were affected by some black outs down the coast.
Yeah, you're right Fico about Lake Trout. They've had a complete make-over, music-wise. Bet their Jam fans hate them now. LOL.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
No, their servers were affected by some black outs down the coast.
Ha ha. Serves LA right! I demand a refund and being that I'm in California....
Fico, hook a brutha up - I need my Cedars fix!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
No, their servers were affected by some black outs down the coast.
Ha ha. Serves LA right! I demand a refund and being that I'm in California....
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I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need to solely to play mind games to extort more money. You know, one of those 'action/reation/solution' scams.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need to solely to play mind games to extort more money. You know, one of those 'action/reation/solution' scams.
I'm sure it is.
If I only knew someone who worked at the California Public Utilities Commission who could tell me why I can't hear the new Cedars tracks......
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need to solely to play mind games to extort more money. You know, one of those 'action/reation/solution' scams.
I'm sure it is.
If I only knew someone who worked at the California Public Utilities Commission who could tell me why I can't hear the new Cedars tracks...... [/b]
ahhh, paranoia.
well, considering that myspace is a free web site, and that it is one of the most popular webpages, it uses alot of electricity, couple that with an expected peak demand that will nearly met the state's generation capacity, myspace probably heeded the call of the governor and decreased its energy usage.
as of right now, there have been no blackouts ordered by the california iso. . .in fact, i don't think there have been any blackouts anyway in the state. . new york and st. louis, that's a different matter.
i wrote and erased a long bit about electricity markets, but i deleted it because i felt depressed that i could write so much about electricity markets and how enron was able to exploit market rules, legally, to do what they did.
edited to add- myspace is not the only webpage experiencing this problem; the california iso's web page is extremely slow today too, and they are responsible for managing the grid in california.
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Spoken like a true lackey of THE MAN...but that's why I live by the coast. Way too unpredictable elsewhere in the state.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Spoken like a true lackey of THE MAN...but that's why I live by the coast. Way too unpredictable elsewhere in the state.
indeed, the fog this morning was great.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
ahhh, paranoia.
It's only paranoia when it's not real.
Enron and the like have more than taught me that this kind of stuff is all too real.
So Bede, why aren't you up at Bohemian Grove right now sucking it all up with your good buddies? :p
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need
Sometimes 103-115 degree whether all along the coast -- including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too. ;)
Not to mention that most regions of the country are experiencing record high temps, leaving little ability to move 'excess' power from one region to another.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i wrote and erased a long bit about electricity markets, but i deleted it
Ha ha....so did I!
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need
Sometimes 103-115 degree whether all along the coast -- including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too. ;)
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I'm fully aware of that. But I'm also fully aware of the kinds of games that Enron like corporations and the such play and have been proven in the past to play.
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Originally posted by Bags:
including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too. ;)
causes me to black out
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need
Sometimes 103-115 degree whether all along the coast -- including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too. ;)
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I'm fully aware of that. But I'm also fully aware of the kinds of games that Enron like corporations and the such play and have been proven in the past to play. [/b]
the unfortunate problem is that, for the most part, what enron did was that, under the rules in place at the time, there was nothing wrong with what they were doing. enron owned no generation or transmission facilities, so there were no market power issues, all they did was market power and use the market rules to make money. of course, that's the simplistic view of what happened.
but, that's neither here nor there. with extreme high temps running for almost a week straight, things are bound to break, not mention, electricity normally is able to be moved from market to market, but with all markets suffering the same effects, it puts a strain on the local facilities to meet their load.
bags- i now know waaaaay more about electricity policy, and california policy than before (see vansmack's message about cpuc).
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This should be a great bill...Have seen all 3 of these bands before- Fico is right about Lake Trout, no more the Jam band.
The Cedars tune Century is well done, really driving, me likes it!
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
as of right now, there have been no blackouts ordered by the california iso. . .in fact, i don't think there have been any blackouts anyway in the state. . new york and st. louis, that's a different matter.
Apparently, according to this article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_re_us/power_problems), there have been. But maybe you are trying to pull a fast one by using some kind of ever so crafty political jargon with your use of the phrase 'ordered by the california iso'. Maybe they aren't state ordered; I don't know. But to the average reader, it comes off like there were no blackouts in Calif. period.
There's also a pretty cool picture there of that fog you were talking about.
With that said, the blackouts may be very warrented. I don't know. Understandable with the kind of weather in the area now and the demands. I just know that all of the different kinds of energy and oil companies are notorious for all of their dirty deeds at everyone elses' expense. After awhile, it's like that old cliché, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'.
Bet there aren't any blackouts up there at the Grove!
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Apparently, according to this article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_re_us/power_problems), there have been. But maybe you are trying to pull a fast one by using some kind of ever so crafty political jargon with your use of the phrase 'ordered by the california iso'.
That article came out after Venerable posted that there were no rolling blackouts. Up unitl that point, they hadn't been ordered.
But that being said, we kicked a Governor out for exactly this problem, and I'm not hearing anybody wanting Arnie's head on a platter out here. Maybe the PUC is getting more love from the Guvernator than they did from Davis. Liar bastards, the lot of 'em.
And for the record, I'm working with the lights out, but I'll be damned if I'm turning off my computer or my speakers!
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True but that's when it was finally written and posted.
Check out this phrase from the 1st paragraph: "another round of blackouts". That clearly states that something had happened prior.
Christ, I'm sounding like a lawyer! I've been hanging around you too long! LOL :p
BTW, I'm not trying to point fingers at Bede or anything. Just nitpicking, moreso at the corrupt elite (not meaning all elite are corrupt) than anyone here. After all, he's one of their slaves too.
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boy and i will be at the show. looking forward to checking out fico's band for the first time!
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Check out this phrase from the 1st paragraph: "another round of blackouts". That clearly states that something had happened prior.
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BTW, I'm not trying to point fingers at Bede or anything. Just nitpicking, moreso at the corrupt elite (not meaning all elite are corrupt) than anyone here. After all, he's one of their slaves too.
We have these rolling blackouts once every few years, so I believe the author is just pointing out that's it looks like it be happening again. Just like "another wave of forest fires" - that simply means that it's the fall again in SoCal.
Like terror threat levels, we have Energy stages. This is going to sound more and more like a Daily Show skit, but this is how we roll in CA. Stage 1 simply asks consumers to voluntarily conserve power usage, and when it's hot as hell, nobody does that. Especially when its hot at night. A Stage 2 emergency orders businesses under special contracts to curtail power.
We are currently at Stage 2 which is still a voluntary reduction in energy usage for all but those businesses (I work for one of those businesses). As an incentive, if you stay below a certain level, you get discounts on energy prices. If we get bumped up to Stage 3, that's when we get the rolling blackouts.
I think the PUC actually sends it employees home early to conserve energy in a stage two crisis, so that's why the decisions are made so haphazardly and nobody seems to know what's going on....and I am absolutely blaming Venerable for causing all of this. They gave him the big bucks to move all the way across the country and fix this and in his first 4 months of being on the job - status quo.
I'm starting a campaign to recall venerable bede a soon as I can turn my lights on.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
as of right now, there have been no blackouts ordered by the california iso. . .in fact, i don't think there have been any blackouts anyway in the state. . new york and st. louis, that's a different matter.
Apparently, according to this article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_re_us/power_problems), there have been. But maybe you are trying to pull a fast one by using some kind of ever so crafty political jargon with your use of the phrase 'ordered by the california iso'. Maybe they aren't state ordered; I don't know. But to the average reader, it comes off like there were no blackouts in Calif. period.
With that said, the blackouts may be very warrented. I don't know. Understandable with the kind of weather in the area now and the demands. I just know that all of the different kinds of energy and oil companies are notorious for all of their dirty deeds at everyone elses' expense. After awhile, it's like that old cliché, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'.
Bet there aren't any blackouts up there at the Grove! [/b]
at this time, there have been no ordered blackouts by the california iso, which is the group that manages the reliability of the grid. the blackouts discussed in the article are due to heat strain and/or fires near transmission lines that would threaten reliability. in any event. . .the california iso has a price cap on wholesale sales of electricity in the state.
again. . .this is really nothing more than paranoia based on something where you have no idea what's going on. this same situation is going on all throughout this country- st. louis and nyc all are experiencing the same heat-related power failures.
the grove? i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I think the PUC actually sends it employees home early to conserve energy in a stage two crisis, so that's why the decisions are made so haphazardly and nobody seems to know what's going on....and I am absolutely blaming Venerable for causing all of this. They gave him the big bucks to move all the way across the country and fix this and in his first 4 months of being on the job - status quo.
I'm starting a campaign to recall venerable bede a soon as I can turn my lights on.
i wish i could go home. . oh wait, it's almost 5.
in any event, smackie, you really don't want to know what i'm working on, cause its something that i support (and you know what that means).
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
the grove? i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though. [/b]
You really are an outsider, aren't you?
And again, it's not paranoia when you know crap like that really does go on. With that said, I think I now know more about the energy policies in the state of Calif. now than I do in Maryland.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
in any event, smackie, you really don't want to know what i'm working on, cause its something that i support (and you know what that means).
Just what I suspected - Stage 4, where we invade Oregon and thus the "Energy Wars" have begun.
Lock your doors, Pollard and Random Citizen!! The Libertarians are coming and they've got "states rights" behind them!
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
the grove? i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though. [/b]
You really are an outsider, aren't you?
And again, it's not paranoia when you know crap like that really does go on. With that said, I think I now know more about the energy policies in the state of Calif. now than I do in Maryland. [/b]
ahhh. . maryland energy policies. . boy, could i go on about that.
and yes, it is paranoia when the first thing you think about when someone says blackout is "oh, what evil power company is withholding power this time." why aren't you considering malfeasance with the st. louis or nyc blackouts?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
the grove? i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though. [/b]
You really are an outsider, aren't you?
And again, it's not paranoia when you know crap like that really does go on. With that said, I think I now know more about the energy policies in the state of Calif. now than I do in Maryland. [/b]
ahhh. . maryland energy policies. . boy, could i go on about that.
and yes, it is paranoia when the first thing you think about when someone says blackout is "oh, what evil power company is withholding power this time." why aren't you considering malfeasance with the st. louis or nyc blackouts? [/b]
No, it's not. Paranoia has no basis in reality. Unfortunately, there is a history of that kind of stuff going on, be it legal or not. If you go back, you see that I only wondered, not stated that it was an absolute. Now, if you want to call me a cynic, go right ahead. :D
I only noted Calif. because of it's connection to the servers being cut back at MySpace which is in Calif..
I'm not sure that I want to know anymore about the energy policies here in Maryland. Based on what I already know, I don't know if I'm more disgusted with the companies themselves or our crackpot politicians! Hey, I live in Maryland and if you know so much about what's going on here (and I assume you do) than you should fully understand why I'm so cynical about all of this! ;)
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
No, it's not. Paranoia has no basis in reality. Unfortunately, there is a history of that kind of stuff going on, be it legal or not. If you go back, you see that I only wondered, not stated that it was an absolute. Now, if you want to call me a cynic, go right ahead. :D
I'm not sure that I want to know anymore about the energy policies here in Maryland. Based on what I already know, I don't know if I'm more disgusted with the companies themselves or our crackpot politicians! Hey, I live in Maryland and if you know so much about what's going on here (and I assume you do) than you should fully understand why I'm so cynical about all of this! ;)
the legislature is entirely to blame for what will be happening with rates in maryland. . .
like i said before, the way the market was structured in california allowed for rampant and legal market manipulation. enron owned no generation, so there was no way for them to withhold power to meet the state's need. what enron could do was market power that it said it had access to, when it didn't, or, it would simply tell the california iso that it is making trades so that power would flow from north to south and back again, when no such movement was taking place, all to create congestion, which would decrease reliability. trust me, these are all arcane nuances of electricity engineering and economics- enron, like the book is called, were the smartest people in the room. they sought profit where profit was to be made.
so, yes, i believe that it is paranoia, because your understanding of the california market (despite best attempts) is not based on the reality. i don't care what lyndon larouche says about it, either.
now, if you don't mind. . .i have plane to catch so i can hob-nob at the meadows with other representatives from the pentaviret, where our power is generated by nuclear fisson battery packs.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
[qb] so, yes, i believe that it is paranoia, because your understanding of the california market (despite best attempts) is not based on the reality. i don't care what lyndon larouche says about it, either.
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:roll:
You're still wrong. Paranoia is based on delusions. Paranoia and cyncism are two different things. You may know your energy policies but I know my psychology; so, get over it. And as you said, Enron had the smartest guys in the room. That's how that type get over. That much we agree on but based on your way of thinking, those who were wrong about how things would work out were also paranoid solely because they were not based on the reality that Enron, the victors, were working with.
And yes, I fully understand and agree about the politicians in Maryland but there's also some other factors about bond ratings and other credit issues involving Constellation Energy that come into play. Not to mention, Maryland politicians .... again. :roll: But I really don't feel like getting into this.
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Go solar.
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I just know that all of the different kinds of energy and oil companies are notorious for all of their dirty deeds at everyone elses' expense. After awhile, it's like that old cliché, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'.
In my opinion, a great or even greater problem than corporate malfeasance is that nearly every household and every person insists on their electricity demand, exactly as is -- PCs three to a home, central air in 3000 sq foot McMansions, a t.v. in every room, running washers/dryers several times a week (I know, you're not all in McMansions, but I'll bet nearly all of you have every electrical convenience you can afford).
And yet, with all that increased demand and the refusal to conserve in any personal way (outside of emergency 'stages,' though even then it's rarely truly voluntary), people protest nearly every attempt to construct additional infrastructure (you know, transmission lines, generator plants, natural gas pipelines, coal railroads). Even wind projects are nearly impossible to build anywhere along the east coast.
what the fuck do people think powers all their shit?
[Jag, not venting at you, just at the overall anger and pessimism levied at power companies while there's not only no sense of personal responsibility, but a skewed sense of "community concerns" keeping the very power people crave so difficult to build].
We now use 50% more electricity than we did only 20 years ago. And in 20 years, it's expected we'll need more than 50% additional power to meet demand.
20 years ain't a long time.
By the way, California is the worst offender. I know, I know, while one of the best states in terms of energy conservation, they refuse to allow just about any infrastructure of real use be built in their state. Their answer? Build it in the Southwest or Northwest. They can dirty their air and California will import 'clean' energy from them.
California likes to act like its own nation. A dream of mine is for it to be treated like its own continent...Hmm, no power from all those neighboring states, what's a continent to do?
Alas, Texas acts like its own country as well. But you know what, it's actually not interconnected to neighboring states, electricity wise. So they actually do sustain themselves fully.
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Originally posted by Bags:
California likes to act like its own nation. A dream of mine is for it to be treated like its own continent...Hmm, no power from all those neighboring states, what's a continent to do?
Trade, just like every other nation in europe that gets its natural gas from Russia. You want avacados for your guacamole (or just about any other fruit or vegetable in this country)? Hook me up with some power! When that fails, we invade Oregon. Then Idaho.
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yes, they get natural gas from Russia because that's where it's available. And then they have their own power plants that burn the Russian gas.
It's like bringing in avocados for quacamole, but then not having the tools needed to peel, mash or otherwise help MAKE the quacamole. ;)
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Bags:
California likes to act like its own nation. A dream of mine is for it to be treated like its own continent...Hmm, no power from all those neighboring states, what's a continent to do?
Trade, just like every other nation in europe that gets its natural gas from Russia. You want avacados for your guacamole (or just about any other fruit or vegetable in this country)? Hook me up with some power! When that fails, we invade Oregon. Then Idaho. [/b]
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best. derailment. of a thread. ever.
by the way, i'm planning on going to the cedars/editors show, but i might head down to the back bar for lake trout ...
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Originally posted by Bags:
[Jag, not venting at you, just at the overall anger and pessimism levied at power companies while there's not only no sense of personal responsibility, but a skewed sense of "community concerns" keeping the very power people crave so difficult to build].
Yeah, from your end, I can fully understand that and I pretty much agree with you.
In part, my anger towards the oil industry and other issues was coming out too but I was trying to stay on topic. Oh, and I just read yesterday that tax cuts for hybrid cars (or some of them) will be cut in half. So much for you know who doing anything about encouraging us to conserve.
In the meantime, I almost felt quilty sitting here today feeling all nice and cool in my place without a lick of air conditioning and fully enjoying it while so many around the nation are suffering. Hasn't been on all summer either though not always as comfortable.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
best. derailment. of a thread. ever.
by the way, i'm planning on going to the cedars/editors show, but i might head down to the back bar for lake trout ...
Why, thank you dear sir. :D
You might want to rethink that though, about Lake Trout. They've changed. Maybe you should check them out for yourself and come back and report on how true this is. I've only heard a couple newer songs and was shocked to hear the difference. They were pretty good too. Now, whether they have completely dropped all of their old material for their live shows, I have no idea.
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What are you all doing awake talking about energy policy in the middle of the night?
Too hot to sleep? mwaaaaahhhhaaaahhha....
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Originally posted by vansmack:
What are you all doing awake talking about energy policy in the middle of the night?
Too hot to sleep? mwaaaaahhhhaaaahhha....
Actually, I'm quite comfortable and the a/c is still not on. Besides, I thrive at night! July nights are my absolute favorite time of year. What about you? Why are you still here? :D
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
I thrive at night! July nights are my absolute favorite time of year. What about you? Why are you still here? :D
I hear ya Jag.
I'm sitting on my roof, drinking a High Life, watching the much needed fog roll in off the Pacific Ocean to cool things down a bit (currently 63 degrees), listening to Nick Hornby's 31 Songs on my laptop and I remembered I'm 3 songs short of the complete collection. Who better to ask then this lot to fill a music collection?
I figured I'd post tonight so by the time I got in to the office tomorrow morning maybe I'd have the full collection. Turns out the night owls are still talking energy.
And for the record, I will not be at the show, much to my dismay. But Cedars fans are in for a treat - we just listened to their new EP and it was given two enthusiastic thumbs up by Smackette, the judge of all things to soon be on The OC!
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It's 73 delicious degrees here, which is much more preferable for me, with a few nice breezes. Your roof sounds nice. I've got a nice bird sanctuary out my window with all kinds of nice trees and a stream, though I can't see them now.
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For the record, I have no freaking clue what Lyndon Larouche said.
Hope everyone enjoys the show! Wish I could go.
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I'm so not getting involved. That's between you and venerable. I just wanted to know why I couldn't hear the new Cedars tracks. And then I was bored so I instigated a little.
And your stream sounds lovely as well.
EDIT: and looks even better!
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oregon will be lining the southern border with meth labs, just try and get through without them exploding
its 83 degrees here, damn it all to hell, i have an unnatural hate for warm weather
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
oregon will be lining the southern border with meth labs, just try and get through without them exploding
How very Hezbollah of you, but you forget, we invented the Clandestine meth laboratory in California. If anything, you're cutting into our business - we'll round our dealers up as allies, send them in first and start an underground drug war to weaken your defenses.
Surrender, or we'll give you over to San Bernardino and Riverside when we're done with you.
Sorry it's so hot. You should head down here for a visit.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
I thrive at night! July nights are my absolute favorite time of year. What about you? Why are you still here? :D
I hear ya Jag.
And for the record, I will not be at the show, much to my dismay. But Cedars fans are in for a treat - we just listened to their new EP and it was given two enthusiastic thumbs up by Smackette, the judge of all things to soon be on The OC! [/b]
Bless you smackie!! If we ever make it to the Bait Shop i'll get you an invite...Mini-Cooper doesn't stand a chance...and I have to say that after seeing that clown Cisco Adler score Misha Barton I have renewed hope on one day scoring Rachel Bilson on the re-bound or Olivia Wylde post-divorce...
When we played with Lake Trout last December they did a very good set..they did a Kid A cover which was a really nice treat...
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by Bags:
[Jag, not venting at you, just at the overall anger and pessimism levied at power companies while there's not only no sense of personal responsibility, but a skewed sense of "community concerns" keeping the very power people crave so difficult to build].
Yeah, from your end, I can fully understand that and I pretty much agree with you.
In part, my anger towards the oil industry and other issues was coming out too but I was trying to stay on topic. Oh, and I just read yesterday that tax cuts for hybrid cars (or some of them) will be cut in half. So much for you know who doing anything about encouraging us to conserve. [/b]
nothing we were talking about yesterday had anything to do with the oil industry. . .
this has nothing to do with "you know who" ending cuts on hybrids. . .i mean, california (and virginia too, for that matter) is no longer giving out carpool lane exemptions to hybrids because there are simply so many of them out there now, that such incentives aren't needed (not to mention that funding is running out).
bags, trust me, like this should be any surprise, i am just as upset about how people are moving from NIMBY to BANANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything), but yes, i would like to keep my 2 refrigerators, big screen tv, extra large washer and dryer and run my AC 24 hours a day. . .new england and california are the worst in that regards. it annoys me that now that wind is becoming economically viable, environmentalists (and the new england elite) are coming out against it. lots of things about this industry annoy me, and in large part it's because of what you stated. . .people complain about not wanting new transmission or generation, but. . oh, yes, i definately want to increase my usage. . .utility company, you'll still be able to keep my power on, right.
i think that's more what i was upset with yesterday, and taking it out on jag. a sheer lack of understanding about the electricity industry in general.
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Would it be considered ironic if there was a power failure at the editors show???
trying to slowly steer the thread back to it's original intention...
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
but yes, i would like to keep my 2 refrigerators, big screen tv, extra large washer and dryer and run my AC 24 hours a day. . .
Hey, ditto. I am no martyr or model for conservation. That said, they can put a pipeline through my backyard. Is it optimum? For me personally, no. Do I understand it needs to be done? Yes.
Now, what about them Editors??
Actually, I think this heatwave may be one of the reasons I can't go -- too much work right now.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
but yes, i would like to keep my 2 refrigerators, big screen tv, extra large washer and dryer and run my AC 24 hours a day. . .
Hey, ditto. I am no martyr or model for conservation. That said, they can put a pipeline through my backyard. Is it optimum? For me personally, no. Do I understand it needs to be done? Yes.
Now, what about them Editors??
Actually, I think this heatwave may be one of the reasons I can't go -- too much work right now. [/b]
awwwww come on over bags it'll be worth it..send me your e-m and send you the record...
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Originally posted by Fico:
awwwww come on over bags it'll be worth it..send me your e-m and send you the record...
It's a busy busy week!
Don't have g-mail, though you can probably email to my work address...Will P.M. you.
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set times for tomorrow are:
8:00 - Cedars
8:45 - Lake Trout
10:15 - Editors
It's a bit early but we hope all of you will join us...Cheers!
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
nothing we were talking about yesterday had anything to do with the oil industry. . .
this has nothing to do with "you know who" ending cuts on hybrids. . .i mean, california (and virginia too, for that matter) is no longer giving out carpool lane exemptions to hybrids because there are simply so many of them out there now, that such incentives aren't needed (not to mention that funding is running out).
Notice that I said:
"In part, my anger towards the oil industry and other issues was coming out too but I was trying to stay on topic."
This helps to explain my mistrust and anger towards some of those in control and why I couldn't help but wonder. Again, I did not try to claim that it was a fact, only a suspicion. If you have a problem with that, too bad. No matter how hard I tried to lighten the mood you kept hitting at me. ;)
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Solid show, if not quite the spectacular one we hoped for, I think. I was hanging with Tom Servo right before the Editors set and we each remarked as to how amazing the Editors were when they opened for Stellastarr* back in late March and how our expectations were now quite high for this show as a result. I think I replied that there's no way the Editors can live up to our expectations and they didn't. For me anyway. I didn't get a chance to talk to Tom Servo after the show. Besides expectations being too high, the longer set may have diluted some of the Editors best stuff a little as well. Anyway, it was still an excellent show and a lot of fun. I got the impression that the audience was a little sluggish, but I was up so close to the stage that it didn't affect my enjoyment any.
Lake Trout definitely kept my interest. For the most part, I probably enjoyed their instrumentals more than their songs with vocal arrangements actually. The only notable exception being the last song they played, which was pretty darn spectacular. I was impressed by their guitarist on the lefthand side of the stage in particular.
Cedars were excellent. Best opening band on a three-band club bill I've seen in over a year. Good job, Fico. I'd like to hear a little more variety in your songs, I think, but otherwise an impressive outing. Bought the $5 CD after the show.
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wow, i think i agree with everything you just wrote darth ed! i will add that the sound for the editors in march was very good, but last night, i thought it was excellent. i came into this show expecting that they were going to draw out some songs to hit that 75 min set they were probably contracted for. and it definitely detracted from the overall quality of the set.
the only word i can think of that accurately describes his voice is rich. he has a very rich voice. just lovely.
what i like about lake trout, is that every time i see them, its a different sound entirely. while i thought the pairing on the bill was a great, i odn't know if they were necessarily my thing in this latest reincarnation of theirs. can appreciate it, but just not my taste.
congrats fico! great to see your band and talk with you. and clearly you had a lot of support in the audience with all the folks that kept stopping you and your band mates when you came out to watch the rest of the show.
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The singer of the Editors has a very good voice, but their songs are just too derivative and unmemorable for me to enjoy. I mean, Interpol have derivative songs but their music have more variety and are more memorable. Didn't you guys notice the audience after the main set was over? They was really no one screaming for more.
I enjoyed Lake Trout very much, though.
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Editors were good. The sound quality was excellent, and that helped a lot. I like the singer's voice, but his whole "I'm so anguished I have to hold my hand to my ear" thing got old very quickly.
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I thought the sound was great last night as well-as well as the lighting...
Also, I picked up a Cedars EP at the end of the night- really solid, very impressed.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
Editors were good. The sound quality was excellent, and that helped a lot. I like the singer's voice, but his whole "I'm so anguished I have to hold my hand to my ear" thing got old very quickly.
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hahaha...sorry. Same old tricks, eh. I think he was having big troubles with his in-ear monitors. Apparently, when you sweat alot, it causes crackling noises and distortions. I think that explains the "anguish" thing.
On another note: I LOVE Lake Trout and I agree, they morph into something different everytime I hear 'em. The lead guitarist, Ed, is mezmerizing to watch. I think he was a dancer in a prior life.
Sadly, I arrived during the last two Cedar songs...but I think you know how much I love your sound, Fico. Wish I could have heard Fleets... next time.
I think the sluggish crowd was a direct result of the freekin HEAT. It didn't seem quite that bad on Tues. night, but I think there were a couple hundred MORE bodies last night.
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Originally posted by Bartelby:
I think the sluggish crowd was a direct result of the freekin HEAT. It didn't seem quite that bad on Tues. night, but I think there were a couple hundred MORE bodies last night.
Could be. It was noticeably warmer than usual in the club last night. I've often wished the 9:30's AC was better. :roll:
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great show last night ... started the night out early with happy hour at duffy's, hadn't been there before and i like the place, although a bit antiseptic for an irish joint
cedars were spot on, thought you guys sounded good ... there were a couple of moments from lake trout that i really liked, particularly the last song, had some great explosions-in-the-sky-type anthemic rock going on ... but i didn't really connect with most of the rest of the set
editors were fantastic, you can tell they've been playing to large audiences and they just know how to rock ... i really hadn't heard much by them other than "munich" before the show, and that's often a recipe for me getting bored, but definitely not this time ... the light show was perfect, not too intense but really added to the atmosphere
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
there were a couple of moments from lake trout that i really liked, particularly the last song, had some great explosions-in-the-sky-type anthemic rock going on ... but i didn't really connect with most of the rest of the set
editors were fantastic, you can tell they've been playing to large audiences and they just know how to rock ... the light show was perfect, not too intense but really added to the atmosphere
Agree with both.
The Editors aren't winning too many awards for originality in songwriting or sound, which is probably why I'm pretty lukewarm on their album, but they really put on a good live show. Good voice. Great sound last night. I agree that some of the songs were filler and could have been cut, but overall they still met my high expectations I think.
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All of you people who loved Lake Trout are jam band fans waiting to happen, whether you know it or not. I think they come off as a jam band trying really hard to be an atmospheric rock band, and not quite making it there.
If you dug their set, I highly recommend checking out the Disco Biscuits or Brothers Past, both of whom are doing comparable things, but a lot better.
I thought Editors were great, if a bit more workmanlike this time around than last time. Seems like the "holy shit, we're touring the world" factor has worn off from their show.
Cedars sounded great in that room. Outstanding sound mix.
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Originally posted by callat703:
I think they come off as a jam band trying really hard to be an atmospheric rock band, and not quite making it there.
i agree completely ... i actually tried to go down to the back bar after i heard the first couple of songs, but it was closed last night for some reason ... but i really think the last song "worked", you don't agree?
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Thanks to everyone for the kind words...we had a great time and the other bands in the bill had a great time as well... everyone in Lake Trout and Editors were extremely friendly which is always a plus..their guitarist even set our set beginning to end which was quite cool of him to do after being on an 18-month long tour.. Tom the singer told me that as soon as they finish the tour they'll go into recording the sophomore and have some things already written for it including live favorite "Bones"...
thanks to everyone who made the early bird call for us yesterday..very much appreciated..
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
Originally posted by callat703:
I think they come off as a jam band trying really hard to be an atmospheric rock band, and not quite making it there.
i agree completely ... i actually tried to go down to the back bar after i heard the first couple of songs, but it was closed last night for some reason ... but i really think the last song "worked", you don't agree? [/b]
I have no idea. I left for exactly the reason you mentioned - since the Backbar was closed, I went to DC9. I thought they were pretty bad, personally. I've got an affinity for some of the jam bands that really pull off the more dancey, club based stuff - Disco Biscuits and Brothers Past, as I mentioned, both do it very, very well.