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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: on March 30, 2005, 09:44:00 pm
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I heard the news (http://tinyurl.com/54gdh) today, oh boy.
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Mother of god, Fox News has Mel Gibson on talking about the "state-sanctioned murder" of Terry Schiavo. I love this, he says, "there seems to be an agenda behind it....maybe we can save a few social security dollars down the line by pulling the plug on the infirm and the aged....they've become completely transparent and I see their agenda."
HE'S TALKING ABOUT AGENDAS? How about the fuckin* politicians who are weighing in on this to protect their anti-choice agendas (and the attendant pro-life constituencies)? Because life is sacred. Yeah, Pro Life, at any cost, every life is precious! Except for the death penalty, of course.
Fox News talking head just called Gibson incredibly couragous...
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how about the clear violation of states rights and the complete break in checks and balances in both state and federal government?
i'm absolutely shocked why gov. bush is not embroiled in a supreme court case for letting his executive branch override the judicial branch and get a bill passed just for this woman. and a concurrent case of this federal congress overriding the rights and decisions of the florida judicial branch.
f'n ridiculous.
does anyone pay attention to the constituion these days?
on a separate note, my aunt was mentioning that what the press isn't talking about is how damaging it is to the person to have the feeding to removed and then reinserted repeatedly. once that tube is removed, the body begins to shut down in a systematic manner. you reintroduce food again and it entirely upsets the process and causes the person more suffering. she's been thru this before as she's familiar with hospice care. so this poor woman, has been subject to even further abuse by her feeding tube being reintroduced and removed for a second time. and if these fuckwits win again, it being inserted a third time.
just let this woman die in peace.
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if you strip away all the politics, and the religious assholes/freaks making a public spectacle of themselves outside her hospital, it all comes down to different wishes by people who presumably loved this woman, who had suffered terribly, and wanted the best for her, but had very different ideas of what the best was. At the core it's very sad.
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Originally posted by Confssions of an Englsh Opium Eater:
it all comes down to different wishes by people who presumably loved this woman, who had suffered terribly, and wanted the best for her, but had very different ideas of what the best was. At the core it's very sad.
I agree completely.
By the way, she's not dead yet. The family has filed another stay (though to keep her alive for weeks or days rather than hours seems so absurd, but I suppose by this point so much emotion is involved, a family can't see the forest for the trees).
Also, Lily, on crazy-ass Fox News, Hannity is making the same argument, but his supposition is that the courts have no respect for the legislative branch, who passed legislation about one person, constitution be damned.
Folks, be you young or old, get a living will, medical power of attorney, etc., etc.
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Heh...from the St. Petersburg Times (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/27/Columns/Living_will_is_the_be.shtml):
Living will is the best revenge
By ROBERT FRIEDMAN, Perspective Editor
Published March 27, 2005
Like many of you, I have been compelled by recent events to prepare a more detailed advance directive dealing with end-of-life issues. Here's what mine says:
* In the event I lapse into a persistent vegetative state, I want medical authorities to resort to extraordinary means to prolong my hellish semiexistence. Fifteen years wouldn't be long enough for me.
* I want my wife and my parents to compound their misery by engaging in a bitter and protracted feud that depletes their emotions and their bank accounts.
* I want my wife to ruin the rest of her life by maintaining an interminable vigil at my bedside. I'd be really jealous if she waited less than a decade to start dating again or otherwise rebuilding a semblance of a normal life.
* I want my case to be turned into a circus by losers and crackpots from around the country who hope to bring meaning to their empty lives by investing the same transient emotion in me that they once reserved for Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy and that little girl who got stuck in a well.
* I want those crackpots to spread vicious lies about my wife.
* I want to be placed in a hospice where protesters can gather to bring further grief and disruption to the lives of dozens of dying patients and families whose stories are sadder than my own.
* I want the people who attach themselves to my case because of their deep devotion to the sanctity of life to make death threats against any judges, elected officials or health care professionals who disagree with them.
* I want the medical geniuses and philosopher kings who populate the Florida Legislature to ignore me for more than a decade and then turn my case into a forum for weeks of politically calculated bloviation.
* I want total strangers - oily politicians, maudlin news anchors, ersatz friars and all other hangers-on - to start calling me "Bobby," as if they had known me since childhood.
* I'm not insisting on this as part of my directive, but it would be nice if Congress passed a "Bobby's Law" that applied only to me and ignored the medical needs of tens of millions of other Americans without adequate health coverage.
* Even if the "Bobby's Law" idea doesn't work out, I want Congress - especially all those self-described conservatives who claim to believe in "less government and more freedom" - to trample on the decisions of doctors, judges and other experts who actually know something about my case. And I want members of Congress to launch into an extended debate that gives them another excuse to avoid pesky issues such as national security and the economy.
* In particular, I want House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to use my case as an opportunity to divert the country's attention from the mounting political and legal troubles stemming from his slimy misbehavior.
* And I want Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to make a mockery of his Harvard medical degree by misrepresenting the details of my case in ways that might give a boost to his 2008 presidential campaign.
* I want Frist and the rest of the world to judge my medical condition on the basis of a snippet of dated and demeaning videotape that should have remained private.
* Because I think I would retain my sense of humor even in a persistent vegetative state, I'd want President Bush - the same guy who publicly mocked Karla Faye Tucker when signing off on her death warrant as governor of Texas - to claim he was intervening in my case because it is always best "to err on the side of life."
* I want the state Department of Children and Families to step in at the last moment to take responsibility for my well-being, because nothing bad could ever happen to anyone under DCF's care.
* And because Gov. Jeb Bush is the smartest and most righteous human being on the face of the Earth, I want any and all of the aforementioned directives to be disregarded if the governor happens to disagree with them. If he says he knows what's best for me, I won't be in any position to argue.
Robert Friedman is editor of Perspective. He can be reached at friedman@sptimes.com
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I'm tired of people saying they ignored the Constitution. Each side ignores the Constitution when doing so benefits their political goals. Members of each party just look the other way when members of their preferred party are the ones tearing up the Constitution.
So Democrat fans out there, don't get high and mighty. You guys suck as much as the Republicans do.
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That's not true. Republicans definately suck more. It's in the Constitution.
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
I'm tired of people saying they ignored the Constitution. Each side ignores the Constitution when doing so benefits their political goals. Members of each party just look the other way when members of their preferred party are the ones tearing up the Constitution.
So Democrat fans out there, don't get high and mighty. You guys suck as much as the Republicans do.
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Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
That's not true. Republicans definately suck more. It's in the Constitution.
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The losing party in the election obviously sucks more whether it be republican or democrat.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
That's not true. Republicans definately suck more. It's in the Constitution.
The losing party in the election obviously sucks more whether it be republican or democrat. [/b]
No, it just sucks to lose.
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shes dead
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Originally posted by Bags:
Mel Gibson
Can we assume he's plotting to run for office next election?
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Originally posted by Bags:
By the way, she's not dead yet.
Check your facts (http://tinyurl.com/5k36l).
BTW, Did anyone see South Park last nite?
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Originally posted by Y. P. Blood:
Originally posted by Bags:
By the way, she's not dead yet.
Check your facts (http://tinyurl.com/5k36l).
BTW, Did anyone see South Park last nite? [/b]
Very cute.....She wasn't dead last night...
"Terri Schiavo, the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman who became the centerpiece of a national right-to-die battle, died this morning..."
CNN.com, Updated: 10:12 a.m. EST (15:12 GMT) March 31, 2005
<img src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/LAW/03/31/schiavo/top.terri2.ap.jpg" alt=" - " />
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NEWS FLASH !!!!! : Terri Schiavo is still dead.
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Don't click it (http://tinyurl.com/3lbwk)! (21+ NSFW!!!)
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i think she really IS dead now.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
The losing team in the ALCS obviously sucks more.
you said it.
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Originally posted by Y. P. Blood:
BTW, Did anyone see South Park last nite?
are you crazy?? that show is for infantile losers.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Y. P. Blood:
BTW, Did anyone see South Park last nite?
are you crazy?? that show is for infantile losers. [/b]
so tell us what it was about, sparky.
did the cartoon guy say "damn" or "bitch" hahahaha, thats so funny!!!!! wheeeee
or did they make fun of jews or homos?? or handicapped people? ahhhhahahaha, they kill me.
vulgar cartoons are so clever!
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Y. P. Blood:
BTW, Did anyone see South Park last nite?
are you crazy?? that show is for infantile losers. [/b]
so tell us what it was about, sparky.[/b]
watching tv shows live is for losers. i tivoed it and i'll get around to it soon...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i tivoed it and i'll get around to it soon...
you must be a jet-setter too!
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i tivoed it and i'll get around to it soon...
you must be a jet-setter too! [/b]
metrobus-setter
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
The losing team in the ALCS obviously sucks more.
you said it. [/b]
You would know, or should I say, your team would know more times than mine would. ;)
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not by much.
ALCS records
Boston 3-4
Yankees 8-1
head to head Yanks 2, Sox 1
but the most recent one always counts more!
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it's true...she's gone.
terry schiavo RIP (http://CNN.com)
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god i am so sick and tired of looking at her ugly mug.
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They have mugs on sale already?
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Who's Terri Schiavo?
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a light hitting, slick fielding utility infielder for the Pirates in the 70's.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Who's Terri Schiavo?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
a light hitting, slick fielding utility infielder for the Pirates in the 70's.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Who's Terri Schiavo?
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sounds like he'd have a pencil moustache and a coke habit ...
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i'm not sure if this is disturbing or amusing, but today when they announced her death, they also informed us that a scathing report on the current administration and this country's lack of an ability to get it's fucking facts right before it's destroys another country, came out . . . but no one seems to care about that. the taliban could launch a full out war and attack every capital in the u.s., but cnn would still keep telling us, "yep, terri's dead."
so anybody want to place wagers on who comes out with the first book, the first made for t.v. movie? my bet is on the parent's "spiritual advisor." look ma, i'm on television. oh it's over? well, better find another way to milk this cash coma.
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i'll bet a good deal of money on the fact that the parents, or terri's siblings, make a book/movie deal first. the husband has apparently turned down offers that have come his way and it seems to me from his interviews that he just wants to move on and put this whole disturbing experience behind him.
plus, we all know those christian conservatives will eat that sh*t up..."the passion of the terri".
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
a light hitting, slick fielding utility infielder for the Pirates in the 70's.
No, that would be Mario Mendoza.
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A crypto-forum-member PMed me this:
Author Topic: please be nice
louise13
Junior Member
Member # 9145 posted April 01, 2005 00:38
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It seems pretty callous to refer to this woman's death as "Terri Schiavo croaks!". She wasn't just some news story or political agenda or forum topic, she was a human being who should be shown some respect. Would you want that said about someone you knew and loved?
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If that person wrote that to me, I'd probably to him/her straight up that I would probably say that about somebody I cared about. She's a much happier person now. And if you ask me how I know, which I'm sure somebody will post, she frickin told me ok?
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she was a vain person , whose karma will let her be remembered as a drooling vegetable.
hows that for callous. in Canada we would have killed her 5 years ago!
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Originally posted by Y. P. Blood:
A crypto-forum-member PMed me this:
She wasn't just some news story or political agenda or forum topic.
Actually, that's all she was to me: Some lady I didn't know who the news and pols decided to shine their fickle light on. I wouldn't have heard about her otherwise.
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even she has a blog (http://durrrrr.blogspot.com/)
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yeah, sonick we know (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=009582)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
even she has a blog (http://durrrrr.blogspot.com/)
Where the heck do you find these things....LOL :D
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Originally posted by brennser:
yeah, sonick we know (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=009582)
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