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Stern believes radio reign coming to an end
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March 6, 2004 | NEW YORK (AP) -- Shock jock and self-proclaimed "King of All Media" Howard Stern believes his reign on the radio is coming to an end. "The show is over," he announced Friday morning on his nationally syndicated radio program. "It's over."
It's not -- at least not yet. But Stern predicted that a Federal Communications Communication crackdown on indecency on the airwaves will force his salacious show off the dial.
"I'm guessing that sometime next week will be my last show on this station," said Stern, adding that he expected the FCC to hit him with a whopping indecency fine. "There's a cultural war going on. The religious right is winning. We're losing."
A telephone call to Infinity Broadcasting, which syndicates Stern's show, was not returned Saturday to discuss Stern's comments.
On Friday, Stern devoted the first 2 1/2 hours of his show to his anticipated demise, a change of pace from the usual fare of naked women and toilet humor.
Clear Channel Communications yanked Stern from stations in San Diego, Pittsburgh, Rochester, N.Y., Louisville, Ky., and Fort Lauderdale and Orlando, Fla. on Feb. 25. The company said the suspension would last until the Stern show met its programming guidelines.
"This time they have to fire me," Stern said. "I'm through. I'm a dead man walking."
On Thursday, Clear Channel paid a record $755,000 fine levied last month by the FCC for indecent material aired by several of its stations.
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uuuuurrrrgggghhh, normally I would have heard about an hour of Friday's show, but I was flying and missed it.... Hmmmm. - bags
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I'm not a Stern hater....I just don't find him funny, and don't understand how he gets away (or rather got away) with it, when other dj's were fired for much less offensive comments.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I'm not a Stern hater....I just don't find him funny, and don't understand how he gets away (or rather got away) with it, when other dj's were fired for much less offensive comments.
Because he brings in much more $$$ than other DJ's. Until his sponsors really start dropping him, he will stay on the air. It's all just a business anyway.
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How can a guy who is normally #1 in the ratings be offensive to "community standards?"
I've got no use for Stern, he's boring. But the fascism at the FCC has to stop.
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From DCRTV.com
3/5/04
There are wild rumors flying all over the place that Infinity's WJFK-FM may dump Howard Stern's morning radio show. So far, nothing concrete, except for a few cryptic comments from Don Geronimo on his Friday afternoon show about him and his partner, Mike O'Meara, moving to the morning shift.
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don and mike are cool but they are no stern. i think after a while they will try to bring him back but he will find somewhere to go...
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Originally posted by flawd101:
don and mike are cool but they are no stern. i think after a while they will try to bring him back but he will find somewhere to go...
Don and Mike are about as cool as herpes. I don't think they have said anything funny during the past four years. They are both fat, haggard Stern ripoffs, and they know it.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by flawd101:
don and mike are cool but they are no stern. i think after a while they will try to bring him back but he will find somewhere to go...
Don and Mike are about as cool as herpes. I don't think they have said anything funny during the past four years. They are both fat, haggard Stern ripoffs, and they know it. [/b]
I couldn't have said that better myself. If Stern goes off the air, I'm through with talk radio (until that Al Franken show hits the air....). The copycats are painful.
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"Sen. Brownback lives with six members of Congress in a $1 Million Capitol Hill townhouse that is subsidized by a secret religious organization"
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Brownback Heading Stern Ouster (http://www.adultfyi.com/read.aspx?ID=2504)
"Sen. Brownback lives with six members of Congress in a $1 Million Capitol Hill townhouse that is subsidized by a secret religious organization"
fyi to others - the ads on this article are not safe for work
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I heard part of the show on friday and he was basically saying that his boss, Mel, is being pressured economically so at some point He will have to leave. As well as other stuff about the religious right getting out of control under Bush so he and his listeners need to vote him out of office.
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Originally posted by pollard:
fyi to others - the ads on this article are not safe for work
It's all in a day's work for our very own, homegrown 'Net-Nanny', Jadetreehorn, who protects the flock from harm.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by flawd101:
don and mike are cool but they are no stern. i think after a while they will try to bring him back but he will find somewhere to go...
Don and Mike are about as cool as herpes. I don't think they have said anything funny during the past four years. They are both fat, haggard Stern ripoffs, and they know it. [/b]
..and Stern is just a Greaseman ripoff. :p
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Now I know you're on drugs are senile, Mank. Other way around. Greaseman is old as dirt, but started his current 'angry man' schtick after Howard...he was just doing funny voices and shit before that...
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Greaseman was up in New York after he was fired for his racist remarks in DC, and he failed miserably. Now he is on AM radio.
"back when I was sgt. greasemanelli blowing away the vietcong - budapow, budapow" :roll:
Come on Mank? how that greaseman schtick was crap and grew old real fast!
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i remember when stern was in detroit in the early 80's... he once did a win a date with a penthouse pet and the winner turned out to be a known sex offender, needless to say the second place joe was suddenly the luckiest guy in motown ;)
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Looks like two of you took the bait...how easy it is to fish these days...
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Yes, I am very stern-sensitive these days! This is all bullshit! :D
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Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
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Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
i believe paige works at xm. . .bags and i work in energy law/policy. nowhere near as exciting.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
i believe paige works at xm. . .bags and i work in energy law/policy. nowhere near as exciting. [/b]
But, that does have me thinking. You know these hugely increased fines they keep talking about? (From $27K per incident to $500K, I think) -- the increased penalties bill has passed a House Committee, meaning it still has to get through both houses of Congress. Not an easy feat.
THEN, it has to go through a regulatory process. The FCC is an administrative agency, so any major rule or policy change would have to go through a public notice and comment period. I know for energy, this process would take quite some time. I don't know how the FCC would be able to unilaterally increase fines outside of this process. This should be at least a year away....
Bede, do you agree?
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How can the FCC raise fines when they have no clear cut policy on decency standards? At this point, the decency standards enforced have all been subjective to the members of the FCC.
That is alarming, and that is one of the points Stern has tried to make.
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Sure, Willy, that's the threshold question. And I agree -- further, what does it say about the standard if the show they are targeting is number one in all its markets? Wouldn't that convey that the community standard deems it not offensive, and in fact quite listenable?
But, the reason Stern thinks it's over for him is because of the fine increase, which would force Infinity to fire him if they're talking about tens to hundreds of millions of dollars (I believe each 'incident' is fined separately as it occurs on *each* station broadcasting Stern's show).
More on this....
March 7, 2004
BROADCASTERS ON THE SPOT
It's Prime Time for a Decency Campaign
By HUGO LINDGREN, The New York Times
FOR a glimpse of deviance in America, look no further than the enforcement section of the Federal Communications Commission's Web site. It is a police blotter of offensive jokes.
A few of the incidents might ring a bell. Who can forget the radio show during which a couple had sex in St. Patrick's Cathedral? Or what passed for humor on an Akron, Ohio, radio station in 2001. The joke involved a butcher knife and a baby, and that's not even the worst of it.
One lesson that can be gleaned from reading through the violations: In the past, you had to behave in a pretty raunchy manner to get the commission's attention. And even when you did that, the price was not too high. The St. Patrick's stunt drew a $375,500 fine for Infinity Broadcasting, the station's corporate parent. The Akron joke led to a fine of $7,000.
The question now is whether all that might be changing.
Since Janet Jackson's breast was bared at the Super Bowl, a flurry of fresh outrage has produced hearings and legislation on Capitol Hill, and much tough talk. Big broadcasters and cable companies have hunkered down. The radio giant Clear Channel made a pre-emptive strike last month at its own roster, firing Todd Clem, the expletive-happy host of the "Bubba the Love Sponge'' show, which was broadcast from Florida. He had been fined by the F.C.C. for, among other transgressions, lewd skits involving cartoon characters like Scooby-Doo.
Clear Channel also dropped Howard Stern from six cities, prompting Rush Limbaugh, of all people, to speak up on Mr. Stern's behalf (though he made sure to add he did not endorse the shock jock's content).
To those who have followed the ebb and flow of broadcast decency issues over the last few decades, much of this reaction comes across as cynical posturing and face-saving. Outrage over standards is an old theme, and any tour of the dials shows that nothing has stopped the extended genital jokes on 8 p.m. sitcoms or the ever-more explicit goings-on of reality television. It has been noted that this is an election year.
But there are some new variables. Almost overnight, everything the F.C.C. has, and has not, done has come under intense scrutiny. This has put pressure on the chairman, Michael K. Powell, an advocate of free markets who has been criticized (by the politically influential social conservatives, among others) as being fixated on clearing the path for media consolidation to the exclusion of his other responsibilities.
The commissioner's office maintains that he has been just as tough on indecency as his predecessors, and as an example of his seriousness, Mr. Powell recently rejected his enforcement's bureau's ruling that a spontaneous use of an expletive by Bono at last year's Golden Globe Awards, broadcast live by NBC, did not constitute a decency violation. A revised judgment is due shortly from the commission. A fine is unlikely but NBC's airing of Bono's utterance will be officially branded ''profane" and ''indecent," setting a legal precedent.
Congress, too, appears up in arms. One bill came flying from the office of Senator Zell Miller, Democrat of Georgia, proposing fines spiraling into the tens of millions of dollars. This initiative, however, was upstaged by a set of companion bills that are simultaneously going through the House and Senate. In their current iterations, they call for a more modest increase in penalties. It is likely that a version of them will wind up on the president's desk in the coming weeks.
Outside of Congress, a potentially broader political movement was asserting itself even before Ms. Jackson was partially disrobed. Those at the center of it include Michael J. Copps, an F.C.C. member who believes that consolidation in the media industry is linked to indecency.
The argument is this: If the people who control most of what's on the air live in Manhattan high-rises and Beverly Hills mansions, far away from their audiences, they are unlikely to feel much community pressure when objectionable content appears on their stations. This enables them to pursue 18- to 34-year-old viewers with programming pushing the boundaries of taste and to face no real consequences.
On the other hand, if the ownership of media properties was more diffuse, the argument goes, informal community standards would be more powerful and less indecency would be on the air.
What makes this argument potentially powerful is that liberals who fear media consolidation, represented by groups like Consumers Union, are finding themselves on the same side of the barricades as decency crusaders like the Parents Television Council.
In the short term, this pressure is forcing the F.C.C. into a more active role, and could lead to many more fines and a more serious debate about revoking the licenses of repeat offenders. The panel has never stripped a license from a broadcaster for indecency reasons.
Another change is a focus on cable television, which has remained largely outside the commission's purview. Tom DeLay, the House Republican leader, warned last week that cable operators might be forced to offer channels à la carte, enabling subscribers to choose, and pay for, only the ones they want. Cable operators, who offer channels in packages, hate this idea.
In terms of actual content, don't expect a sudden cleansing of television. The competition for young adult viewers, particularly men, is fierce because, relatively speaking, so few of them watch television and are thus very difficult for advertisers to reach. The programs that deliver their attention to advertisers tend to be the ones that push the boundaries the most.
For their part, the major networks feel they stay within their audiences' expectations, and they are also taking extra precautions, like instituting delays at certain live performances. In the cable world, producers are just hoping to keep off the F.C.C.'s radar. They are taking a harder look at content that could be considered gratuitous and could set off a rash of complaints, but they are generally loath to soften their programming in ways that might send young-adult viewers elsewhere. There is a prevailing sense among executives that if they keep their heads down, this too shall pass.
Which it might, because it always has before. In the mid-1990's, an aggrieved chorus of media watchdogs and family advocates vowed to halt the spread of the profane radio style of Howard Stern, who was then winning imitators and high ratings across the country.
Ten years later, Mr. Stern is apparently as dangerous as ever.
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Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
>>>Clear Channel owns a 30% stake in XM......don't think for a minute that Stern will end up there......Sirius,maybe....
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Originally posted by imrotten:
Clear Channel owns a 30% stake in XM......
That fucking sucks (and I mean that in a Bono, adjective kind of way)!!!
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Originally posted by imrotten:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
>>>Clear Channel owns a 30% stake in XM......don't think for a minute that Stern will end up there......Sirius,maybe.... [/b]
If Stern ended up on XM I would seriously consider cancelling my account, unless his crap was a "premium" channel like the playboy channel...by the way, has anyone heard the playboy channel? I'm wondering how porn works on radio.
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I'm gonna take a guess that it's REALLY bad lounge music.
Originally posted by mankie:
by the way, has anyone heard the playboy channel? I'm wondering how porn works on radio.
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Originally posted by mankie:
If Stern ended up on XM I would seriously consider cancelling my account, unless his crap was a "premium" channel like the playboy channel
Why would you cancel your account? You could just have XM block his station from your receiver and pretend he's not there.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by imrotten:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
>>>Clear Channel owns a 30% stake in XM......don't think for a minute that Stern will end up there......Sirius,maybe.... [/b]
If Stern ended up on XM I would seriously consider cancelling my account, unless his crap was a "premium" channel like the playboy channel...by the way, has anyone heard the playboy channel? I'm wondering how porn works on radio. [/b]
>>>It's really for people who just HAVE to masturbate in their car......you know.....when you just can't wait to get home or the traffic is bad and you're gonna be really late....
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by mankie:
If Stern ended up on XM I would seriously consider cancelling my account, unless his crap was a "premium" channel like the playboy channel
Why would you cancel your account? You could just have XM block his station from your receiver and pretend he's not there. [/b]
I don't want any part of my monthly subscription going to that dick, regardless of wether I block it or not, he's still getting some of my cash. If it was put on a premium channel then that's a different story.
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Originally posted by imrotten:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by imrotten:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
>>>Clear Channel owns a 30% stake in XM......don't think for a minute that Stern will end up there......Sirius,maybe.... [/b]
If Stern ended up on XM I would seriously consider cancelling my account, unless his crap was a "premium" channel like the playboy channel...by the way, has anyone heard the playboy channel? I'm wondering how porn works on radio. [/b]
>>>It's really for people who just HAVE to masturbate in their car......you know.....when you just can't wait to get home or the traffic is bad and you're gonna be really late.... [/b]
Then I'm sure it's a very popular channel because there's thousands of wankers driving cars around here...especially in N. VA.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by imrotten:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
>>>Clear Channel owns a 30% stake in XM......don't think for a minute that Stern will end up there......Sirius,maybe.... [/b]
If Stern ended up on XM I would seriously consider cancelling my account, unless his crap was a "premium" channel like the playboy channel...by the way, has anyone heard the playboy channel? I'm wondering how porn works on radio. [/b]
That's insane. That sounds as dumb as the folks who hate him but just CAN'T turn the dial. "You mean there are *other* radio stations I could listen to?"
Did you get me again?!? :p
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
i believe paige works at xm. . .bags and i work in energy law/policy. nowhere near as exciting. [/b]
But, that does have me thinking. You know these hugely increased fines they keep talking about? (From $27K per incident to $500K, I think) -- the increased penalties bill has passed a House Committee, meaning it still has to get through both houses of Congress. Not an easy feat.
THEN, it has to go through a regulatory process. The FCC is an administrative agency, so any major rule or policy change would have to go through a public notice and comment period. I know for energy, this process would take quite some time. I don't know how the FCC would be able to unilaterally increase fines outside of this process. This should be at least a year away....
Bede, do you agree? [/b]
that is if they go through with a large rule change. . .i suppose the fcc could just use whatever regulatory language is already available to them, and just start increasing fines, without public comment. that would put it on a fast track to the courts, i would think.
nevertheless, that sounds about right. . .congress would tell the fcc to implement the changes, it would go through a notice of proposed rulemaking, a final rule, and several additional changes after that. then, it's on to the court of appeals, then supreme court. in my energy experience, that could take at least 3 years. course, that wouldn't stop the fcc from actually issuing fines, unless a stay was granted.
while i haven't read the legislation, it sounds like something that would pass overwhelmingly. why? because unlike most of us here, mom and dad don't want to see or hear "indecent" material, and simply aren't as open to the material. nevermind the "if you don't like, don't watch it" belief, this is after janet, which everyone was watching. mind you, i actually missed the oopsie, as i was reaching for another beer.
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Originally posted by Bags:
That's insane. That sounds as dumb as the folks who hate him but just CAN'T turn the dial. "You mean there are *other* radio stations I could listen to?"
Did you get me again?!? :p [/b]
No, I didn't get you again. I just don't want any of my money going to that knobhead, and even if I never listen to his unfunny, bigotted remarks, part of my subscription is going in his pocket...unless he's on a premium channel, because you pay extra for those.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Stern has indicated he may take his program to satellite radio. Doesn't V.Bede or Bags work for XM Radio? What do you think?
i believe paige works at xm. . .bags and i work in energy law/policy. nowhere near as exciting. [/b]
But, that does have me thinking. [/b]
course, that wouldn't stop the fcc from actually issuing fines, unless a stay was granted.
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I think it would be easy to get a stay, as the increased fines did not go through a public administrative process. And these are not de minimis penalty increases.
Mank, your ability to drop your XM subscription is the free market vehicle for communities to set standards. They won't pay Stern if subscriptions drop precipitously due to his addition to the roster. However, I'd bet they'd get a huge bump in subscriptions instead.
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Either way, Stern needs to do something because one thing I can't listen to is his never ending self-absorption into this entire fiasco.
Seriously, if you're going to spend your entire show as your platform for bashing the FCC, then the FCC has already won. All they wanted was your attention and to be able to say, "hey look, it's working. Howard has stopped all of the restricted content, even if he does so at our expense."
He's no martry, he's a comedian. And if he continues to regard himself so highly, I hope he moves to satellite radio sooner rather than later because I can't stand to hear his never ending diatribe of self-centeredness. Get off you high horse and back on the comedy wagon....
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Originally posted by imrotten:
Clear Channel owns a 30% stake in XM......don't think for a minute that Stern will end up there......Sirius,maybe....
Not true. Clear Channel owns no more than 4.7% of XM. I say "no more" because they hedged all their shares last year and may actually have zero at this point.
Clear Channel has no influence whatsoever on XM's programming. They used to provide the content for some of the channels but that's been ended. The only relationship now between the two companies is that XM leases some terrestrial repeaters from Clear Channel, and programs some talk hosts from Clear Channel's Premier Networks subsidiary.
But Stern is not going to satellite radio anytime soon. He is worth far too much to infinity, certainly worth fighting the FCC, and his contract is impossible to break.
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Howard Stern pranks listeners by having Andy Cohen announce his departure from SiriusXM before returning to his show.
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Was really holding out for a return to DC-101.
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