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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Sage 703 on May 29, 2009, 02:46:31 pm
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This is going to revolutionize the way we use the internet. My mind is a little blown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ#t=20m30s
Its very long - but worth watching. Starting around minute five you'll get the meat of it.
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i'll have to check this out alter tonight.
since we're sharing vids of way-cool tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ-VjUKAsao
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I'm not entirely sure it does anything differently except put everything in one window.
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I'm not entirely sure it does anything differently except put everything in one window.
...isn't that pretty substantially different?
The collaborative computing element of it really sticks out to me. I need to go back and watch again, but I was particularly struck by how intuitive it is, as well as the ability to work with other people on documents, photo albums, etc.
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...isn't that pretty substantially different?
Did MS sleep at the wheel on Outlook? Perhaps. But having that much in one window is going to require larger monitors, or more likely multiple monitor support. Is this really that much of an advantage to justify the expense? As I said in our offline conversation, this will be great for the kids, but no way business adopts this, especially without Exchange support.
The collaborative computing element of it really sticks out to me.
I'm just guessing you've never used Sharepoint.
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...isn't that pretty substantially different?
Did MS sleep at the wheel on Outlook? Perhaps. But having that much in one window is going to require larger monitors, or more likely multiple monitor support. Is this really that much of an advantage to justify the expense? As I said in our offline conversation, this will be great for the kids, but no way business adopts this, especially without Exchange support.
The collaborative computing element of it really sticks out to me.
I'm just guessing you've never used Sharepoint.
You're right - never used Sharepoint.
And I agree, I don't see this as a business platform, though I think it has business applications. I'd have to play with it a bit myself to know regarding the monitor issue - but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right, as I'm already at a point where I want to have a dual monitor set up at all times.
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I freaked out about it earlier this morning and Twittered about it.
Yeah, I'm that kind of geek.
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I'm thinking about Freaking out a little about this.....
Opera has a little surprise in store for you this morning with its Opera Unite service. A web-based application built into the Opera browser that the Norwegian-based company says will "reinvent the Web" as it makes your computer, data, and media available via any web browser through the Unite cloud. A bold claim, sure, but just look at the breadth of the cloud-based services available to Mac, PC, or Linux/Unix users:
File sharing -- securely share files direct from your computer
Web server -- turns your home computer into a web server via Opera Unite URL
Media player -- direct link to your music collection from any web browser
Photo sharing -- shares your image library over the web without requiring a photo service
Lounge -- self-contained chat service running on your computer
Fridge -- a place where friends and family can post notes
Opera Unite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hr-6cw4M8&feature=player_embedded)
This might actually be the web you know, reinvented.
Press Release (http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2009/06/16/)
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this will be great for the kids, but no way business adopts this, especially without Exchange support.
And only one year later.....it's killed. (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-google-wave.html)
Reason: lack of user adoption.
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not surprising. i consider myself a savvy web user but i never "got" GWave. i played with it a few times, didn't fully comprehend what the service was trying to achieve, and never went back. 100% of my use of wave was within 3 weeks of signing up for it.
i think this was a google experiment in open source that didn't work. "build a platform and they will come" won't work if you don't explain the platform and what it does differently/better.
GBuzz is destined for the same trash heap (at best a fate similar to orkut).
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I think the death of Google Wave is easily explained by Sage's unintentionally astute original post about the instructional video:
Its very long - but worth watching. Starting around minute five you'll get the meat of it.
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but does it give free bjs?
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not surprising. i consider myself a savvy web user but i never "got" GWave. i played with it a few times, didn't fully comprehend what the service was trying to achieve, and never went back. 100% of my use of wave was within 3 weeks of signing up for it.
i think this was a google experiment in open source that didn't work. "build a platform and they will come" won't work if you don't explain the platform and what it does differently/better.
GBuzz is destined for the same trash heap (at best a fate similar to orkut).
Give it time; you'll see products like this back in the mix. I'm surprised that they've announced that they're killing it, rather than just leaving it in Beta/Preview for the time being - but at the same time, it didn't work very well.
The biggest problem that the system had is that HTML couldn't keep up with the functionality; it made the platform really sluggish and difficult to navigate, which prevented anybody from using it efficiently or effectively.
That said, a lot of the functionality of Wave has been folded into their other applications. You see real-time editing in their Apps Suite now, and Reader/Buzz have adopted the social functionality that Wave was aiming for. All signs point to Google rolling out a new, gaming based social network - which will have similar collaborative elements as Wave.
While this product clearly didn't work, it still had a big impact on Google's product offerings, and I expect you'll see further feature integration as HTML and broadband become increasingly powerful.
And by the way, Orkut isn't going anywhere. It has a pretty sizable user base in Brazil and India, if not in the United States.
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And by the way, Orkut isn't going anywhere. It has a pretty sizable user base in Brazil and India, if not in the United States.
right, which is why i said "a fate similar to orkut" as a step up from the trash pile - marginalized, niche, and not particularly popular in the US.
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And by the way, Orkut isn't going anywhere. It has a pretty sizable user base in Brazil and India, if not in the United States.
right, which is why i said "a fate similar to orkut" as a step up from the trash pile - marginalized, niche, and not particularly popular in the US.
I mean, 100 million people use Orkut...
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When I was in Mallorca, I met this gorgeous 19 year old Dutch girl. I really wanted to friend her on FB just to see pictures of her as she got older. She said that she doesn't have a FB account because everyone in Holland uses Hyves (http://www.hyves.nl). I've never wanted a universal standard for something more in my life...
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Yeah, but 100 million non-American people. Do they really count?
And by the way, Orkut isn't going anywhere. It has a pretty sizable user base in Brazil and India, if not in the United States.
right, which is why i said "a fate similar to orkut" as a step up from the trash pile - marginalized, niche, and not particularly popular in the US.
I mean, 100 million people use Orkut...
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When I was in Mallorca, I met this gorgeous 19 year old Dutch girl. I really wanted to friend her on FB just to see pictures of her as she got older. She said that she doesn't have a FB account because everyone in Holland uses Hyves (http://www.hyves.nl). I've never wanted a universal standard for something more in my life...
Was it her (http://lisatjuh-1994.hyves.nl/)?
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Yeah, but 100 million non-American people. Do they really count?
several hundred million people use Baidu...
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Google Wave never made any sense to me. It seemed like a chat feature with real time email but I can check email when I want already and chatting is done through skype.
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I mean, 100 million people use Orkut...
Almost 80% of internet users in Brazil use Orkut, a social network owned by Google. As internet use rises in Brazil and reaches new social groups, better-off Brazilians are leaving Orkut for Facebook. That is partly because they have more friends abroad (with whom they link via Facebook) and partly snobbishness. Posh Brazilians have a new word: orkutificação, or becoming ?orkutised?. A place undergoing orkutificação is full of strangers, open to anyone. Brazilians are now the second biggest users of the micro-blogging site Twitter; but some wonder whether the dreaded o-word awaits that neighbourhood too.
http://www.economist.com/node/16943885
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I mean, 100 million people use Orkut...
better-off Brazilians are leaving Orkut for Facebook.
http://www.economist.com/node/16943885
Facebook has reached this incredible critical mass where even if you don't particularly like it, there are some people you can only communicate with that way. I keep wondering when something new is going to replace it. It's a lot of power Mr. Zuckerberg holds in his clammy hands.
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anybody ever watch ghost in the shell stand alone complex series? where they show these arcade looking like places where people just go and sit and jack into the endless lines of computers as they mindlessly waste their real lives away? that is the future almost here.
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A place undergoing orkutificação is full of strangers, open to anyone.
we went through the same thing here. it was called myspace.
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yuck...
http://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats
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even more yuck . . . that some students are actually bitching, thinking that this is "torture" and they no way can survive.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100916/ap_on_re_us/us_social_media_blackout
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so what youre saying is before the next world cup there's no need to sign up for orkut? duly noted
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so what youre saying is before the next world cup there's no need to sign up for orkut? duly noted
Only if you want to hang out with the poor people.
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even more yuck . . . that some students are actually bitching, thinking that this is "torture" and they no way can survive.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100916/ap_on_re_us/us_social_media_blackout
You realize that they're students, right?
I can assure you that the university could give out gold bars to students and half of them would bitch that there's a more compelling reason to give out silver bars instead....
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and the other half would complain that it wasn't platinum.