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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Got Haggis? on June 10, 2009, 08:43:47 am
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During the Janes Addiction set, Perry Ferrell gave a shoutout to Seth for being one of the last non-LiveNation owned venues in the country.....pretty cool!
Both NIN and Janes Addiction sounded great - I did miss the crazy NIN stage/light show from last summer, but still a great set.
Thanks Seth.
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Except that he thanked Seth Horowitz.
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That was a great show, I was actually at the top of the hill next to the guy who was being dared by his buddies to go sliding down ala "Woodstock style tribute". So he did a couple times, I think he hit some dude at the bottom and pissed him off. A couple other sliders followed suit (this started during Been Caught Stealing)... security showed up about 20 minutes later and stopped it...
good times ....
I missed the first half of NIN though... but also missed the rain so it all worked out.
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I had a blast as well, both bands were fantastic, I will post a couple of pics later
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Except that he thanked Seth Horowitz.
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Perry was in great form, they sounded really good, and energetic. NIN, blinding lights, a bit too many tracks, but still a fun time.
Not sure about Street Sweeper Social Club. Either you want to be rock gods or save the world, hard to put the two together.
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Is Perry still annoying when he speaks?
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Perry was in great form, they sounded really good, and energetic. NIN, blinding lights, a bit too many tracks, but still a fun time.
Not sure about Street Sweeper Social Club. Either you want to be rock gods or save the world, hard to put the two together.
i thought SSSC were pretty bad when i saw them in jersey on saturday. they were trying to be a diet version of rage against the machine. did they keep saying "we're a social club! street sweeper social club!" after each song?
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Perhaps Seth purge the Jewishness from his name like Perry did.
Except that he thanked Seth Horowitz.
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Perry was in great form, they sounded really good, and energetic. NIN, blinding lights, a bit too many tracks, but still a fun time.
Not sure about Street Sweeper Social Club. Either you want to be rock gods or save the world, hard to put the two together.
i thought SSSC were pretty bad when i saw them in jersey on saturday. they were trying to be a diet version of rage against the machine. did they keep saying "we're a social club! street sweeper social club!" after each song?
Yep they sure did.
"Diet version" is a good description, no substance and tastes like shit.
The fact that Tom Morello is a part of it is fucking embarrassing; I liken it to if Jimmy Page had joined Kingdom Come back in the late 80's.
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Perry was in great form, they sounded really good, and energetic. NIN, blinding lights, a bit too many tracks, but still a fun time.
Not sure about Street Sweeper Social Club. Either you want to be rock gods or save the world, hard to put the two together.
wait... you're complaining that NIN played too many songs?
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Perry was in great form, they sounded really good, and energetic. NIN, blinding lights, a bit too many tracks, but still a fun time.
Not sure about Street Sweeper Social Club. Either you want to be rock gods or save the world, hard to put the two together.
i thought SSSC were pretty bad when i saw them in jersey on saturday. they were trying to be a diet version of rage against the machine. did they keep saying "we're a social club! street sweeper social club!" after each song?
Yep they sure did.
"Diet version" is a good description, no substance and tastes like shit.
The fact that Tom Morello is a part of it is fucking embarrassing; I liken it to if Jimmy Page had joined Kingdom Come back in the late 80's.
SSSC sounded great and put on a killer show! That cat from The Coup is badass!
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Except that he thanked Seth Horowitz.
You misheard. He thanked Cher Horowitz, Alicia Silverstone's iconic character from Clueless. Perry has lost all grips on reality.
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Perry was in great form, they sounded really good, and energetic. NIN, blinding lights, a bit too many tracks, but still a fun time.
Not sure about Street Sweeper Social Club. Either you want to be rock gods or save the world, hard to put the two together.
wait... you're complaining that NIN played too many songs?
No that too much at times was not coming from anyone on the stage. Sequenced stuff just bleeping along without anyone seeming to even kick it off.
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;D
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i like the dig at perry that you're making there, but wouldn't "horowitz" be even more jewish?
Perhaps Seth purge the Jewishness from his name like Perry did.
Except that he thanked Seth Horowitz.
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i like the dig at perry that you're making there, but wouldn't "horowitz" be even more jewish?
Perhaps Seth purge the Jewishness from his name like Perry did.
Except that he thanked Seth Horowitz.
Maybe he meant that Seth's real last name is Horowitz, so he went with a less Jewish name professionally. That's how I took that joke.
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Hurwitz sounds "less Jewish" than Horowitz??
Maybe marginally so, but it's not like changing your last name to Ryder.
I like Julian's theory better.
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damn . . . lagas sure knows how to take some kick ass pictures. good job!
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damn . . . lagas sure knows how to take some kick ass pictures. good job!
Thanks Walky
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Those photos are insane. Has to be a camera, not just an iPhone, no?
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Those photos are insane. Has to be a camera, not just an iPhone, no?
yeap, they relaxed the camera policy for this tour, glad you liked the pics!
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I left my seat during NIN to go for a walk and ended up playing Dolly Parton pinball (for serious, people) over in the arcade. Tom Morello and the black guy from Street Sweeper pulled in next to me and started playing the Rolling Stones pinball machine. We talked for a minute and both guys were very nice. Outside of his Lord of the Rings t-shirt, Tom Morello looked like he was wearing clothes from an LL Bean catalog.
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I was really excited to See Jane's Addiction again, but maybe I set the bar too high. I thought Perry was just going through the motions. He picked it up for a few songs, but I was disappointed overall. I have always found his theatrics to be entertaining, but last night felt a little "shticky". Maybe forced is a better word.
I did like the shout out to Seth.
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I left my seat during NIN to go for a walk and ended up playing Dolly Parton pinball (for serious, people) over in the arcade. Tom Morello and the black guy from Street Sweeper pulled in next to me and started playing the Rolling Stones pinball machine. We talked for a minute and both guys were very nice. Outside of his Lord of the Rings t-shirt, Tom Morello looked like he was wearing clothes from an LL Bean catalog.
Couldn't you also call Tom Morello a black guy from Street Sweeper?
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Awesome show. NIN was great and Jane's . . . Jane's is no joke! . . . Eric Avery's massive rolling basslines put the balls back in the songs and everything fell back into place . . .everyone was in top form and ridiculously well preserved . . . and Merriweather, again, was the perfect place for this show
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Those photos are insane. Has to be a camera, not just an iPhone, no?
yeap, they relaxed the camera policy for this tour, glad you liked the pics!
Can I ask what kind of camera?
Great shots!
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LOL @ Josh not looking amused with Perry leaning into the crowd.
Thought the show was awesome for NIN and Janes just kinda went through the motions would be the best way to describe it.
I was amused at some girl asking me about where I got my Chemlab shirt only for her to point to her arm showing me her Chemlab tattoo.
I didn't have my memory card so I only got about 8 or so pics during NIN performance, and the girl's tattoo :)
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Fuck Art, Let's Kill
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Those photos are insane. Has to be a camera, not just an iPhone, no?
yeap, they relaxed the camera policy for this tour, glad you liked the pics!
Can I ask what kind of camera?
Great shots!
Sure, Nikon D60
here a couple more I have taken before
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LOL @ Josh not looking amused with Perry leaning into the crowd.
i wouldn't say "not amused." i'd say "professionally concerned for his well being." gotta watch the crowd a little harder when the talent is that close. there are crazies out there. not counting perry.
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Review in the Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/10/AR2009061003551.html
Show didn't feel forced to me at all, Perry was in great form..
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Fuck Art, Let's Kill
That would be the one :)
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LOL @ guy flipping off Trent
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Jane's was awesome. "Up The Beach" was brilliant and my fave moment of the evening.
Even out on the lawn at dusk (dark orange sky after storms moved on), I had to close my eyes repeatedly for the NIN lightshow blinking, and i could still see the whole thing thru my eyelids, lol. The soundguys for these things (facing the stage every night) probably have to wear welder's mask tinted glasses to not burn their eyes out. One interesting twist for NIN was the inclusion of some extra non-typical instruments: standup bass bowed, xylophone/vibes, lap/pedal steel slide guitar.
Opening band was ok and fun, nothing special; I wanted to see morello so we got there early. No blankets allowed; wtf is that about? -especially b'cuz once you get inside, there's 25 blankets allowed in anyway that folks were sitting on. Great sound the whole night and the rain thankfully cooled things down by 10 degrees.
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Jane's was awesome. "Up The Beach" was brilliant and my fave moment of the evening.
I was surprised how some of their other material "Up.." , "Summertime Rolls", "Then She Did"... had an effect on me.. They just came off with a huge connection to my past that was very special.
It seemed like a performance for me that couldn't go wrong and luckily didn't in terms of material and execution. Up really was fantastic cause I was not expecting to hear that tune at all but it did sound awesome...
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I saw Jane's 3 time on their rise, the old 930, Ritchey Coleseum and Lollapalooza. I was second guessing going tuesday thinking it might tarnish those memories. But it was a great show, it was worth it, it wasn't something half-assed.
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there are crazies out there. not counting perry.
This made me LOL.
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Is Perry still annoying when he speaks?
oh yeah
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It's been an interesting experiment over the last couple of years or so. Faced with leaving the infrastructure of traditional record labels and figuring out what the right thing to do is in this new world - I found myself realizing that for me to have any concept of how to interact with the community and know what they might want / what they find appropriate, I need to immerse myself in that world and live it for a while.
The reason no record label knows how to market anything to new media is they don't live there. They don't get it because they don't use it. What you've seen happen with the marketing and presentation of NIN over the last years is a direct result of living next to you, listening to you, consuming with you and interacting with you. Directly. There's no handlers or PR people here, it's me and my guys - that's it. There's no real plan, even - it's just trying to do the right thing that respects you the fan, the music, and me the artist. That's the goal - a mutual and shared respect.
When Twitter made it's way to my radar I looked at it as a curiosity, then started experimenting. I thought it through and in light of where I was / am in my career I decided to lower the curtain a bit and let you see more of my personality. I watched some of you get more engaged because you started to realize there's a person (flaws and all) back there, and I watched some of you recoil in horror because I'm not what you projected on me. All expected. I'm not as concerned about "breaking" your idea of NIN at this point. It is what it is and I am what I am. The relationship between artist and fan is changing if you haven't noticed, along with the way we consume and experience music and even communicate since the internet arrived.
The problem with really getting engaged in a community is getting through the clutter and noise. In a closed environment like nin.com a lot of this can be moderated away, or code can be implemented to make it more difficult for troublemakers to persist. It's tedious and feels like wasted energy doing that shit, but some people exist to ruin it for others - and they are the ones who have nothing better to do with their time. Example: on nin.com, there's 3-4 different people that each send me between 50 - 100 message per day of delusional, often threatening nonsense. We can delete them, but they just sign back up and start again. Yes, we are implementing several changes to address this, but the point is it quickly gets very old weeding through that stuff.
Back to Twitter. I approached that as a place to be less formal and more off-the-cuff, honest and "human". I was not expecting to broadcast details of my love life there, but it happened because I'm in love and it's all I think about and that's that. If this has bummed you out or destroyed what you've projected on me, fair enough - it's probably time for you to leave. You are right, I'm not the same person I was in 1994 (and I'm happy about that). Are you?
Looks like the Metal Sludge contingency has discover Twitter! Finally! For those of you that don't know what this is, please let me explain. Metal Sludge is the home of the absolutely worst people I've ever come across. It's populated mainly by unattractive plump females who publicly fantasize about having sex with guys in bands. Kind of like a role-playing game where people NOBODY will fuck make up stories about their incredible sexual encounters with people they WISH they could fuck. It would be kind of funny in a sad and pathetic way except the fun doesn't stop there - hate and good old-fashioned outright blatant racism are also encouraged to spice things up and remind you how truly ugly these scourges are. TRULY ugly on the inside (the outside is obvious).
Cutter's tip for my friends there: remember to cut along the length of vein, not across. Bigger payoff.
So when you see the new accounts that pop up daily on Twitter spewing exactly the kind of thing I just discussed, usually from picture-less creatively named profiles, spewing hate at Mariqueen and I, take a moment to visualize the sad couple people behind them.
A few years ago some people tuned me in to that world and when I figured out who these people were, I was amazed that I'd been seeing them in the front rows of the shows for months. I really don't understand what kind of "fan" spends that kind of time and money to travel across the country seeing a band, to then dedicate an incredible amount of time and energy into non-stop hate diatribes online. That one puzzles me a little.
Anyway, I'm bored on a long bus drive and there's no real moral to the story here, just writing. I will be tuning out of the social networking sites because at the end of the day it's now doing more harm than good in the bigger picture and the experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule.
I had thought a while ago about attempting to start a mainstream public forum that required real verification of it's participants for purposes of context. The idea was to have a place where you can actually discuss whatever and have some idea of who you're conversing with. For example, if we were discussing drumming techniques and you can see that someone participating in the discussion is a drum instructor vs. a 13 year old kid Googling answers, you'd have the proper context in which to have a potentially valid discussion. If we were discussing EDLC's heart condition and a real cardiologist speaks up, I'd value his opinion over, say FredFuckFaceWhateverHisLastFuckingNameIs's "opinion". Know what I mean? Anyway, we're in a world where the mainstream social networks want any and all people to boost user numbers for the big selloff and are not concerned with the quality of experience.
With all of that said, I have business in the real world to attend to including wrapping up the live version of NIN, DOING some cool new shit and spending as much time as possible with the most amazing woman in the world.
Trent Reznor rage quits Twitter
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why is it that washed up hair "metal" acts from over twenty years ago still crying for desperate attention in the new world of music they so can't relate to . . . must always wear bandanas? is it to hide the hairline or the hair extentions? or is this some sort of hair "metal" gang sign that i just don't understand.
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anyone else video the show and is interested in trading?
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It was a great show. NIN was good. A lot of people left before JA even came on so the pit cleared out quite a bit.
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It was a great show. NIN was good. A lot of people left before JA even came on so the pit cleared out quite a bit.
really you think so? I actually thought the pit was more crowded JA, which surprised me a bit.
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It was a great show. NIN was good. A lot of people left before JA even came on so the pit cleared out quite a bit.
really you think so? I actually thought the pit was more crowded JA, which surprised me a bit.
oh yeah but then again maybe a lot of people i was near were nin fans. i had much more room for ja then for nin.
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anyone else video the show and is interested in trading?
Does that mean you made a video of the show?
I couldn't move in the pit for NIN but had plenty of room for JA. I think it cleared out a little. Their loss, they missed the better band that night. Those NIN lights are way too much, I had to close my eyes most of the time.
BTW - Here is Perry's shoutout to Seth, about 1:15 into the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSq6xzN4g7c