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Title: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: chaz on October 01, 2009, 11:28:06 am
.....finally upon us. 

Sorry to all the Direct TV folks out there who are getting screwed in the Versus fiasco, hopefully it will be resolved soon.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 01, 2009, 11:40:13 am
listening to the radio this morning i was thinking 'oh maybe i'll watch a little of the caps game tonight'

nope, on versus

and repeat
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Driveway on October 01, 2009, 12:26:56 pm
I just re-signed so I can get Comcast Sports Net so I can watch the Detroit game and those following.  I can't justify getting some crazy expensive cable package for VERSUS so that I can see a few games.  I'd love to see Versus burn and force the NHL to put their games on channels that people actually watch.  :'(
 
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2009, 04:27:05 pm
I can't justify getting some crazy expensive cable package for VERSUS so that I can see a few games.  I'd love to see Versus burn and force the NHL to put their games on channels that people actually watch. 

ding ding ding

Television providers should not be allowed to own content providers.  Period.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2009, 04:28:11 pm
Oh, and Venerable suggested that I watch this channel instead of Versus when there's hockey on:

http://stars.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=711&id=47463

Works for me....

Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 01, 2009, 04:33:18 pm
I can't justify getting some crazy expensive cable package for VERSUS so that I can see a few games.  I'd love to see Versus burn and force the NHL to put their games on channels that people actually watch. 

ding ding ding

Television providers should not be allowed to own content providers.  Period.

hmmm, i wonder what you would think of this (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2009/09/comcast-wants-nbc-universal-.html)?
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2009, 04:37:29 pm

hmmm, i wonder what you would think of this (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2009/09/comcast-wants-nbc-universal-.html)?

Cut back on my synchronized swimming watching?

Actually, Hulu users, of which I am not, should be up in arms about this....
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 01, 2009, 04:45:50 pm
i'm convinced comcast is out to get me
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 01, 2009, 05:02:35 pm
.....finally upon us. 

Sorry to all the Direct TV folks out there who are getting screwed in the Versus fiasco, hopefully it will be resolved soon.

well, directv is giving users just over 3 weeks of center ice for free, errr, as a free trial.   oct. 1 through oct. 24.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: chaz on October 01, 2009, 05:10:29 pm
I can't justify getting some crazy expensive cable package for VERSUS so that I can see a few games.  I'd love to see Versus burn and force the NHL to put their games on channels that people actually watch. 

ding ding ding

Television providers should not be allowed to own content providers.  Period.
Agree 100%.

I love my Fios...not quite the cheapest, no tivo, but I've never ever looked back.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2009, 05:19:19 pm
i'm convinced comcast is out to get me

It's probably me not you.  There was a decision made years ago when I was still in DC where they asked me to stop calling the customer service center and gave me the direct line to the supervisor on duty.  When I thanked them and asked why, they informed me that it was a staff morale issue (for the record, I don't yell and I don't curse to CSR folks as it's not productive, but apparently I was telling the customer service folks more technology insights than Comcast wanted them to know...).  I would also fix the cable issues myself and call them to explain to them how I did it, which they didn't appreciate as it usually required me to provide my own access to the switch in the building.

Now that I am able to get DirecTV, this is their pay back.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on October 01, 2009, 05:21:23 pm
I can't justify getting some crazy expensive cable package for VERSUS so that I can see a few games.  I'd love to see Versus burn and force the NHL to put their games on channels that people actually watch. 

ding ding ding

Television providers should not be allowed to own content providers.  Period.
You know, this reminds me of that F1 controversy where a team owner told one of his drivers running towards the back to drive his car into a wall to bring out a yellow flag, allowing his other driver to win. Right after this someone on TV said owners should only be allowed to own one car to avoid conflicts of interest, and a team owner (I think Penske) responded: "Well, then enjoy races with only 8 cars in them."

I think the overall benefit of having more networks out there greatly outweighs the negatives of price fights occasionally leaving some people in the cold with reference to a particular network or two.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2009, 05:22:09 pm
well, directv is giving users just over 3 weeks of center ice for free, errr, as a free trial.   oct. 1 through oct. 24.

Versus games not included of course, but that's waaaaaay more hockey than we were going to get with Versus, and that includes 9 Ducks games that I wasn't going to get so I'm happy.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on October 01, 2009, 05:23:22 pm
I love my Fios...not quite the cheapest, no tivo, but I've never ever looked back.
FIOS with all the movie channels (bundled with the internet) is way cheaper then basic Comcast is here. We have their DVR in one room, and it's really good too. I have no complaints at all.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 01, 2009, 05:30:49 pm
You know, this reminds me of that F1 controversy where a team owner told one of his drivers running towards the back to drive his car into a wall to bring out a yellow flag, allowing his other driver to win. Right after this someone on TV said owners should only be allowed to own one car to avoid conflicts of interest, and a team owner (I think Penske) responded: "Well, then enjoy races with only 8 cars in them."

I think the overall benefit of having more networks out there greatly outweighs the negatives of price fights occasionally leaving some people in the cold with reference to a particular network or two.

Well, I'm not going to get into the in's and out's of this debate here as I'm participating in it on other message boards and frankly I'm tired of it, but in your example, the governing board of F1 stepped in and implemented newer clear rules that imposed fines and bans to keep the competition clean as everyone knew that if comeptition were compromised F1 would lose both integrity and veiwership.  No eyes meant less advertising dollars for the sport, which risked turning F1 into the now relegated to versus IRL (not to mention CART).  Same principles apply here -  a governing body needs to step up as it can no longer be left up to the competitors, especially one with a ruthless track record like Comcast (this same thing happened to Dish 4 years ago and DirecTV is not alone here, there are cable Co's without versus as well...).

For the record I support DirecTV and am willing to let hockey die if need be.  As big a hockey fan as I am, I would never switch to Dish or Comcast just for hockey..
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: ggw on October 01, 2009, 11:39:42 pm

I love my Fios...not quite the cheapest, no tivo, but I've never ever looked back.

I love the FIOS as well.  I called them to cancel my HBO subscription a few weeks ago and while I am on the phone they tell me "by the way, I am looking at your service plan and we can lower your rate by $xx per month.  And give you xx HD channels and xx additional regular channels at no additional charge."

I had Comcast for six months. They were even worse then their abysmal reputation.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: RatBastard on October 02, 2009, 01:53:20 am
I can't justify getting some crazy expensive cable package for VERSUS so that I can see a few games.  I'd love to see Versus burn and force the NHL to put their games on channels that people actually watch. 

ding ding ding

Television providers should not be allowed to own content providers.  Period.


Just as ticket sellers should not be allowed to own venues or be promoters?  But come on it is for our own good and will drive down cost right?  LOL!
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 02, 2009, 08:52:05 am
i'd be willing to pay more for versus (and i'm already at the highest package level) but i cant even do that. i dont really have an f1 metaphor for that, but it sucks
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on October 02, 2009, 10:15:49 am
Who are the Boston fans here? Jesus, many more lackluster, half-hearted efforts like last night and you'll be battling the Rangers for the last playoff spot. Not good news for you guys.

Yeah, first game of the season. I know. But I have a sneaking suspicion you guys are going to miss Kessel's one testicle more than you thought.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 02, 2009, 10:24:17 am
its...october
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: sweetcell on October 02, 2009, 11:50:37 am
For the record I support DirecTV and am willing to let hockey die if need be. 

harsh.  your need to prove a point trumps your love of a sport?
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 02, 2009, 12:25:53 pm
For the record I support DirecTV and am willing to let hockey die if need be. 

harsh.  your need to prove a point trumps your love of a sport?

I am nothing if not a man of principle.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 02, 2009, 12:53:39 pm
i'm with smackie here. when was the last time the nhl made a good decision on tv contacts in the states?
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 02, 2009, 02:35:17 pm
its...october

according to this guy, there's only one october.

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/10/21/sports/21chass.1.600.jpg)
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 02, 2009, 02:45:54 pm
dane cook is somewhere in the midteens in the 100 reasons why everyone hates boston sports list
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 06, 2009, 11:16:36 pm
Number of Ducks Games on Versus I would have seen if DirecTV had a deal with Versus: 0

Number of Ducks Games I've seen on NHL Center Ice for Free as a gift from DirecTV because of Versus: 2

Keep up the fight, DirecTV!  For the record Lupul and Koivu look great tonight, although Lupul took one in the eye socket in the second.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: sweetcell on October 07, 2009, 12:01:36 am
now watching: King's Ransom, the story of gretzky's trade to the LA kings (made-for-tv movie on ESPN). 

#99 was a god among men during my early years in canada, t'is a powerful story (currently watching the press conference when he announced his trade - tearing up).  however the film doesn't reveal any big secrets.  i always assumed it was because of janet, whereas the movie paints a story of straight-up economic realities: gretzky was a depreciating asset, the oilers needed to look to the future, and LA was offering a boatload of cash & draft picks.  it was an emotionally difficult but logically obvious choice to make... however all seem to agree that the oilers could have won 2 to 4 more cups, so the value of the trade is still questionable.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2009, 11:39:40 am
now watching: King's Ransom, the story of gretzky's trade to the LA kings (made-for-tv movie on ESPN). 

I recorded it but failed to watch it after the Ducks collapsed in the third (thanks to a missed 5 minute high stick major that left Saku's top lip a bloody mess) - I was hockeyed out at that point.  I'll probably watch it tonight.

As a Kings fan back then, I can tell you he did more for hockey in So Cal than anything I can remember and but for McSorley's curved stick would have won a title or two in LA.  Melrose then went nuts and dismantled the team to build a team of thugs and the Kings have been shite ever since.  I saw many of his major accomplishments in LA and still have a soft spot for his tenure there despite what others say.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: sweetcell on October 07, 2009, 12:12:09 pm
As a Kings fan back then, I can tell you he did more for hockey in So Cal than anything I can remember

that was one of the closing points of the movie: prior to the trade, there was 1 team in california.  shortly after the trade, there were 3. 
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: RatBastard on October 07, 2009, 01:36:56 pm
GO FLYERS!
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 09, 2009, 06:21:43 pm
I'd be remissed if I didn't point out that the tone for the Angels beating the Red Sxo 5-0 was clearly set by the Ducks whipping the Bruins 6-1.

But outside of that, this does explain a lot about Theo Fluery:

In book, Fleury details alleged abuse (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4545993)


If true, sad story, how does he he faile 13 drug tests during his career, but never be prevented from playing?
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on October 09, 2009, 06:34:27 pm
Franzen out 4 months for the Wings. Ugh.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on October 16, 2009, 04:41:45 pm
Melrose was never GM in LA.
Title: Re: 2009 Hockey Season
Post by: vansmack on October 16, 2009, 06:02:51 pm
Melrose was never GM in LA.

I never said that he was and I'm not trying to make excuses for Nick Beverly or Bruce McNall (the guy probably most responsible for the longterm downfall of the Kings), but after the 1993 Stanley Cup, Melrose convinced management that the reason they were beaten by Montreal in the finals was because they played West-sytle hockey which wasn't tough enough to compete with the East and went about bringing in a bunch of tough guys that didn't gel well with the skill players, of which the Kings had a lot.  Management listened to him, the Kings missed the playoffs the next two years, McNall sold the team which ended up in Bankruptcy because of mismanagement and have been the butt of many jokes since, especially with the success of cross town rivals and 2007 Stanley Cup Champions Anaheim Ducks.

After making the playoffs 9 out of 10 years leading up to being a curved stick away from a 2-0 lead with 3 in a row at home in the Stanley Cup finals, Melrose's influence/demands dismanteld that team and they've made the playoffs 4 times in the nearly 20 years since.