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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: poorlulu on March 10, 2004, 06:48:00 pm
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47041-2004Mar10.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47041-2004Mar10.html)
i mean i know you guys are decendents of the freakish pilgrims.........
but still.................
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"The driver was accused of breaking state laws prohibiting watching TV while driving, as well as another law making it illegal to exhibit sexually explicit material in a public place."
Since when is inside your car a public space? You're right, Loo, we're nuts.
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because we love jesus
europeans would have to be crazy to move here ;)
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While I agree that the article is a bit odd, I will add this to the mix:
I go to NYC each weekend. Two weekends ago the driver that picked me up had a computer on the front seat of the car. Whilst driving me to my destination, he proceeded to chat on his computer and watch a live webcam sex show. Needless to say, I was a bit skeeved out, and would have been more so were I female. Not sure that the guy should be arrested, because the car isn't a public place, but jeez, how about some basic decorum?
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Well, it's illegal to watch t.v. while driving (as it should be), and it should be illegal to be on a computer as well. To me, that's a no brainer -- they're concerned about cell phones, that ostensably you don't have to *look* at. Oy, I'd have gotten out and hitched!
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Two weekends ago the driver that picked me up had a computer on the front seat of the car. Whilst driving me to my destination, he proceeded to chat on his computer and watch a live webcam sex show.
Just out of curiosity, did you know the driver beforehand or were you hitching a ride?
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Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by keithstg:
Two weekends ago the driver that picked me up had a computer on the front seat of the car. Whilst driving me to my destination, he proceeded to chat on his computer and watch a live webcam sex show.
Just out of curiosity, did you know the driver beforehand or were you hitching a ride? [/b]
Actually, it was a car service that my old company used. I was still using them (until that incident) because they weren't that much more expensive than a taxi, and I didn't have to wait in the taxi line. So no, I didn't know the driver.
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i have friend who exhibits his car (that has 4 tv screens in it) at car shows. anyways, he was at a car show in Florida last year and had a porno playing on his tv screens and he got kicked out of the show.
not the most exciting story, but its on topic
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About three years ago on Thanksgiving night, I was driving to Nation for a show. At 9th and Constitution was a car at the light next to me, which had porn playing on the headrest monitors. What really struck me as odd, was there was no one in the backseat so I guess the guy was just listening to porn??
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Originally posted by MindCage:
so I guess the guy was just listening to porn??
Some of them do have groovy music - so I am told!
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Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by MindCage:
so I guess the guy was just listening to porn??
Some of them do have groovy music - so I am told! [/b]
Which brings us back to my Playboy xm station channel.
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From the storu
"You're not allowed to have sex in your car, so why are you allowed to watch it?" Carlton asked.
Huh? Since when... Sounds like this lady's related to the women that get her silk knickers in a wad over Married with Childern...
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also they are tring to make smoking in movies rated R. and not letting fat asses sell mcdonalds..(some fat fucks get free mac donalds)
damn that janet!!!
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I was crossing the key bridge once, and the car in front of was watching porn. Oddly enough it was a ghetto civic, so clearly there were some aftermarket alterations. But it bothered me, cause I was close enough to easily make out the action. What if i had a kid in the car? I mean, c'mon.
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why are american's so repressed?
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I don't know why are they?
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
why are american's so repressed?
Because Janet got her tit out.
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Isn't it ironic that doodles pretend to be all prudish and Victorian-like, when it's generally accepted that American women are the loosest slappers in the world. (Board members excepted of course)
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it's straight men that are the most repressed, regardless of country of origin
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
it's straight white men that are the most repressed, regardless of country of origin
Oh absolutely!
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Originally posted by mankie:
Isn't it ironic that doodles pretend to be all prudish and Victorian-like, when it's generally accepted that American women are the loosest slappers in the world. (Board members excepted of course)
I have to respectfully disagree. I have met far more English slappers. In fact, while I was studying in England a national study came out that gave the average age of first sexual activity for women as 14. I don't think we Americans are quite that bad...yet.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
first sexual activity for women as 14. I don't think we Americans are quite that bad...yet.
I bet you it is the same or younger in the US.
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What's a truer measure of repression is if you're still doing the same things in the bedroom at 30 that you were doing at 20.
Having sex at 14 is not a sign of lack of repression, it's a sign of stupidity.
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Having sex at 14 is not a sign of lack of repression, it's a sign of stupidity.
You didn't want to get laid at 14?
I wouldn't call it stupidity, I would call it a basic natural drive.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by keithstg:
first sexual activity for women as 14. I don't think we Americans are quite that bad...yet.
I bet you it is the same or younger in the US. [/b]
Maybe now, but was it in 1999 would be the question...
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by keithstg:
first sexual activity for women as 14. I don't think we Americans are quite that bad...yet.
I bet you it is the same or younger in the US. [/b]
Maybe now, but was it in 1999 would be the question... [/b]
Well as the decades pass, the age children are reaching physical maturity is getting younger and younger. Its not unusual for girls to start developing 2ndry sexual characteristics at 9 or 10. Therefore I dont think its much of a surprise that children are having sex younger and younger.
Personally, I couldnt wait to get a shag.
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All I know is when I was a lad sailing the seven seas...if your ship was pulling into a US port you were guaranteed you were going to get some whos-yer-daddy.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Personally, I couldnt wait to get a shag. [/b]
....and I'm sure your time will come!
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Originally posted by mankie:
]....and I'm sure your wife will come!
Oh aye! and yours!
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Physical development may be speeding up, but emotional maturity levels are definitely being delayed.
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Physical development may be speeding up, but emotional maturity levels are definitely being delayed.
What makes you think that?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by mankie:
]....and I'm sure your wife will come!
Oh aye! and yours! [/b]
I remember after my first time my initial thoughts were...."what the *uck is all the fuss about" Then after a few more times it was "oh, yeah, now I get it"
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Originally posted by mankie:
I remember after my first time my initial thoughts were...."what the *uck is all the fuss about" Then after a few more times it was "oh, yeah, now I get it"
Cant say it was like that for me. More like, wow, that would have been great if it had lasted longer or hadn't been so damned cold out.
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Years ago, people were in general independent of their parents and living life by the time they were 18. They had to grow up quicker.
Now, many more are out drinking, fucking, and living selfish self-centered lives while still living off of their parent's dime.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Physical development may be speeding up, but emotional maturity levels are definitely being delayed.
What makes you think that? [/b]
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I don't think expecting a certain degree of public decorum necessarily equals being repressed.
That being said,we do have a kind of twisted dichotomy when it comes to honest discourse on sexuality vs. packaged sexual themes every time you turn around.
I think porn (or television of any kind) in a moving vehicle on the road is probably a bad idea, though. Why can't the rich brats just color, read a book or play a game?
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Now, many more are out drinking, fucking, and living selfish self-centered lives while still living off of their parent's dime.
And I have to tell you its fucking great.
In a more technological world people are attaining higher levels of education, someone has to pay for that education.
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Now, many more are out drinking, fucking.......while still living off of their parent's dime.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
But where do you come up with the "self-centered" lives bit? How does a 22-year old lead an "other-centered" life while trying to start out, first job, first apt, barely making it...
Plus, aren't we talking about 18 year olds (since 1999, specifically)...is this bitterness over parents who didn't pay for college, or did you refuse to drink & fuck because you were on your parents' dime.
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It's not bitterness. It's just truth. I don't think most people truly develop emotionally until they have someone else in life whose emotional well being they are in part responsible for, i.e. a life partner or a life partner and children.
And people, myself included tend to delay those things more these days in lieu of sowing their wild oats.
At my age, my parents had been married for 15 years, and had had a kid for 9 years. Surely, they were more emotionally developed at 36 than I am.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Now, many more are out drinking, fucking.......while still living off of their parent's dime.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
But where do you come up with the "self-centered" lives bit? How does a 22-year old lead an "other-centered" life while trying to start out, first job, first apt, barely making it...
Plus, aren't we talking about 18 year olds (since 1999, specifically)...is this bitterness over parents who didn't pay for college, or did you refuse to drink & fuck because you were on your parents' dime. [/b]
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Originally posted by Bags:
How does a 22-year old lead an "other-centered" life while trying to start out, first job, first apt, barely making it...
trouble is, it's not just 22 year olds...it's 28 year olds, 30 year olds, 36 year olds...not sure who's "barely making it" of the ilk we're talking about here...
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
At my age, my parents had been married for 15 years, and had had a kid for 9 years. Surely, they were more emotionally developed at 36 than I am.
Perhaps you will be more emotionally prepared if and when that happens.
If you have kids you are forced into maturity, there is little option. But defering that probably has a lot to do with the different opportunites you had in life than your parents did. A more educated person will probably have a family later, not least because its seen as easier to have a family after, not during the education stage.
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Originally posted by Bags:
How does a 22-year old lead an "other-centered" life while trying to start out, first job, first apt, barely making it...
trouble is, it's not just 22 year olds...it's 28 year olds, 30 year olds, 36 year olds...not sure who's "barely making it" of the ilk we're talking about here... [/b]
This discussion began about teenagers and their physical versus emotional development, hence I thought that's what balls was talking about... There was no visible seque to the general responsibility or not of adults, so my responses were about teenagers (and young adults) in line with the discussion. Again, balls and I were talking past each other...
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
At my age, my parents had been married for 15 years, and had had a kid for 9 years. Surely, they were more emotionally developed at 36 than I am.
I don't know that mine were, totally. In some ways yes, in some ways no way (especially Dad)
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
If you have kids you are forced into maturity, there is little option. But defering that probably has a lot to do with the different opportunites you had in life than your parents did.
Right. The Baby Boomers are willing to coddle their 20-somethings and pay for their whims, while their own parents likely said, "get the fuck out and earn your own keep."
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
I think porn (or television of any kind) in a moving vehicle on the road is probably a bad idea, though. Why can't the rich brats just color, read a book or play a game?
I bet your kids will be making their own t-shirt designs.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
In a more technological world people are attaining higher levels of education, someone has to pay for that education. [/b]
If you want a 'higher education' then pay for the bastard yourself.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
In a more technological world people are attaining higher levels of education, someone has to pay for that education. [/b]
If you want a 'higher education' then pay for the bastard yourself. [/b]
Some parents believe it is their gift to be able to educate their children. That's what opportunity is about (there's a great story on this in the documentary "Spellbound" -- one migrant farmer from Mexico...very cool).
Now I'd pay for post-graduate work, but what's wrong with parents paying if they are able?
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
In some ways yes, in some ways no way (especially Dad) [/b]
Ditto with my dad. In many ways, he was able to not think about a thing but doing his job. He is the bomb, but not very emotionally sophisticated.
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I don't see anything wrong with parents paying for a kids undergraduate education...my parents did it for me, and I intend to do it for my future kid.
My thoughts are that it just delays emotional maturity...at least I believe it did for me....
My dad, on the other hand, graduated from high school at 16 and was on his own from that day forward. After a stint in the Air Force, he worked a full time job while putting himself through engineering school in three years, while my mom worked as well.
I spent my 20something years drinking and fucking (on my own dime), and generally not having a partner who I had to be concerned about.
My point was, at least in my own case, that people had to mature and learn to be responsible at an earlier age than in the past.
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Well, my Dad, who is probably the same age as yours, had his parents pay for seven years of school, where he drank, screwed around, went to jazz clubs and read magazines, until the last coupla years when he suddenly snapped to. I don't think it's an issue of now versus then, but opportunities. [And remember, this discussion was initially about the 1990s versus today...]
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Teens need to start making loads more babies, or else the military draft will have to be reintsated. Preteen sex is your patriotic duty! Get to humpin now.
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I've been on my own since 18, paid my own college (loans) and took care of myself and still managed to fuck off all through my 20's on my own dime. I'm a little behind the curve financially, and, I admit, sometimes a little bitter that someone else didn't pay...but I have alot of pride, am extremely self-reliant and know how to get shit done...
Someone get me a beer!
Rhett?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Teens need to start making loads more babies, or else the military draft will have to be reintsated. Preteen sex is your patriotic duty! Get to humpin now.
sir, yes sir!
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Guess my thoughts got off track on this one.
My bottom line is that just because someone grows boobs and pubes at age 10 doesn't mean they are emotionally ready to handle a sexual relationship at 14. There's no right age, but I'd put it close to 17. Worry about getting into college first, then explore your sexuality.
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
I've been on my own since 18, paid my own college (loans) and took care of myself and still managed to fuck off all through my 20's on my own dime. I'm a little behind the curve financially, and, I admit, sometimes a little bitter that someone else didn't pay...but I have alot of pride, am extremely self-reliant and know how to get shit done...
Someone get me a beer!
Rhett?
I respect you much more than those who sponged off mummy and daddy for college...not that my respect is important of course.
I left home at 16 to join the military and grew up guick...By 17 I had a lease on a flat and all the other responsibilities that come with it. I'd say I matured pretty darn quick after age 16.
You don't OWE your kids a college education, and you shouldn't spend your retirement on it for example. Sure, if you can help them by having them live with you while they pay for their own education or buy them are cheap reliable car so they can get to and from jobs to pay for college that helps. But I just don't agree with having a dependent till they're 22/23 years old.
I suppose I come from a different culture, but my wife believes the same, probably stronger than I do actually having paid for her own education and her brother is putting himself through law school at the moment...he does go home to their parents every weekend and brings his laundry and eats for free etc....but that's the only help he WANTS from them.
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Guess my thoughts got off track on this one.
My bottom line is that just because someone grows boobs and pubes at age 10 doesn't mean they are emotionally ready to handle a sexual relationship at 14. There's no right age, but I'd put it close to 17. Worry about getting into college first, then explore your sexuality.
unfortunately, emotions don't always come into play so much...I agree that they're too young to handle it, really, but how to hold off the curiosity and desire?
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Originally posted by mankie:
I respect you much more than those who sponged off mummy and daddy for college...You don't OWE your kids a college education, and you shouldn't spend your retirement on it for example...
thanks...I tend to agree with you, but we plan to at least pay for undergrad tuition, if everything goes as planned...however,I wouldn't put myself in a precarious financial position (re-fi the house, etc., not retire til 85 or whatever) to do so, though
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though the kid might work a part time job to help out...though that's all 20 frigging years away.
Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Originally posted by mankie:
I respect you much more than those who sponged off mummy and daddy for college...You don't OWE your kids a college education, and you shouldn't spend your retirement on it for example...
thanks...I tend to agree with you, but we plan to at least pay for undergrad tuition, if everything goes as planned...however,I wouldn't put myself in a precarious financial position (re-fi the house, etc., not retire til 85 or whatever) to do so, though [/b]
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
I've been on my own since 18, paid my own college (loans) and took care of myself...
I respect you much more than those who sponged off mummy and daddy for college...
You don't OWE your kids a college education, and you shouldn't spend your retirement on it for example. Sure, if you can help them by having them live with you while they pay for their own education or buy them are cheap reliable car so they can get to and from jobs to pay for college that helps. But I just don't agree with having a dependent till they're 22/23 years old.
I suppose I come from a different culture, but my wife believes the same, probably stronger than I do actually having paid for her own education and her brother is putting himself through law school at the moment...he does go home to their parents every weekend and brings his laundry and eats for free etc....but that's the only help he WANTS from them. [/b]
I don't understand this concept that letting your parents pay for your college is sponging off of them. They're not being forced to do so. If putting me through college would have sent my dad to the poor house or a cardboard box for retirement, he wouldn't have done it (actually, he would have wanted to, but I wouldn't have let him).
I think that's full of sh*t. In my family, that's one of the abilities success brings -- educating your children.
If I'd gone to law school, I would have dealt with that on my own. Makes sense, I've gotten my good baseline through undergrad, now I'm off to make some decisions on how I want to proceed.
ABSOLUTELY Celeste (and your wife) get credit and respect for doing it on their own. However, that doesn't make the converse true -- that folks who had it paid for are to be derided or less respected. Their families were blessed and place a high value on education.
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Bags...I wasn't intending to put anyone down, that's why I made my "different culture" comment.
I just hear so many parents make comments like..."I don't know how we're going to pay for Cedrics college"...Then don't! A person should be self sufficient by age 18, and if they want to go to college then God bless, but there's responsibility and expenses involved with that.
Those kids who expect to have their education paid for and nothing short of spongers...again, in my opinion.
I have a friend who had an agreement with his son that he would pay for college as long as his grades were kept at a certain level....accomodation was his own responsibility....his grades dropped a semester and that was the end of it. The son got his act together, moved out of his apartment and into the dorm as a "monitor" or whatever they are called, so he got free accomodation and paid for the rest of his education on his own.
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Originally posted by Bags:
I don't understand this concept that letting your parents pay for your college is sponging off of them.
In my family, that's one of the abilities success brings -- educating your children.
I have to agree with Bags on the above.
My parents were immigrants without a high school education, and their pride was that they were able to sucessfully put their 4 kids through college. Be it we had to help in the family business or work part-time jobs. It doesn't mean we were less responsible than those that did it on their own.
Maybe if you are on your own, you grow up faster than others - but in some cultures you provide comfort for your kids as they are educated and develop - that is the norm.
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I hope these are all Ivy league schools you're going to. I'd hate to see all that hard earned bread your poor parents sweated go to waste on some jerkwater teachers college-with-a-good-football-team institute.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Bags:
I don't understand this concept that letting your parents pay for your college is sponging off of them.
In my family, that's one of the abilities success brings -- educating your children.
I have to agree with Bags on the above.
Be it we had to help in the family business or work part-time jobs. It doesn't mean we were less responsible than those that did it on their own.
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Even if you don't want to...you're also agreeing with me by your comment above. You helped with your college education even if you didn't sign the tuition fee checks.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
I hope these are all Ivy league schools you're going to. I'd hate to see all that hard earned bread your poor parents sweated go to waste on some jerkwater teachers college-with-a-good-football-team institute.
luckily, harvard is eliminating tuition for kids who's parents make less than $40,000 a year.
Harvard eliminates tuition for some
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By Ron DePasquale Special to the Tribune
Peter Brown did not come to Harvard University to move boxes.
Yet the 22-year-old sociology and Portuguese literature major from Oklahoma has been spending up to 18 hours a week moving boxes and doing other odd jobs to pay his $280 monthly tuition bill. Beginning next fall, however, Brown will be able to devote more time to his studies, because Harvard will not charge students whose parents, like Brown's mother, make less than $40,000 a year.
The new aid program, announced late last month by Harvard President Lawrence Summers, has sent shock waves through the Ivy League and the rest of the nation's colleges, where big tuition increases have become an annual event.
Summers cited new research that shows there are 25 times as many students from the top-income quarter as the bottom at the nation's 146 most selective public and private schools.
Along with eliminating the average $2,300 expected contribution from low-income students' families, Harvard also announced that students whose parents earn from $40,000 to $60,000 will receive a substantial increase in aid.
Tuition, room, board and fees at Harvard cost $37,928 this year.
Brown, a junior, said he and other students have been paying their parents' share of tuition because they didn't want to ask them for money.
Harvard also plans to more aggressively recruit low-income students, making sure they know they can afford to attend college. Low-income families often overestimate the cost of attending a university, new federal research shows.
"Too often, outstanding students from families of modest means do not believe that college is an option for them, much less an Ivy League university," Summers said at the recent meeting of the American Council on Education in Miami, according to a transcript published by Harvard. "Our doors have long been open to talented students regardless of financial need, but many students simply do not know or believe this. We are determined to change both the perception and the reality."
After decades of efforts to make campuses racially diverse, a push is on to include more low-income students as well, said Richard Kahlenberg, a senior fellow at The Century Foundation, a progressive policy institute in Washington. Kahlenberg edited "America's Untapped Resource: Low-Income Students in Higher Education," the book that contained much of the research cited by Summers.
"What Summers is doing is really inspiring," said Kahlenberg. "Someone needed to take the leadership role on this question of economic inequality."
Just 7 percent of Harvard undergraduates represent the lowest quarter of American household incomes, and 16 percent are from the bottom half. Almost three-quarters have parents whose earnings are in the top quarter. Those numbers are even worse on average at the top 146 colleges: only 3 percent of students are from the bottom quarter, and 10 percent are from the bottom half, according to "America's Untapped Resource."
The gap between rich and poor students has grown because as college costs have increased dramatically, government and philanthropic aid programs have shifted from helping students in need to students of merit, said Brian Fitzgerald, staff director of the Advisory Committee on Student Financial Assistance, which advises Congress.
Not many schools can afford to give low-income students a full ride like Harvard can, so the Advisory Committee is calling on Congress to shift student aid back to low-income students, Fitzgerald said. Federal Pell Grants, which helped low-income students pay for about 40 percent of the cost of attending a private college in the mid-1970s but now cover about 15 percent, should be increased "as much as possible," he said.
The Harvard decision will likely influence negotiations in Congress as the reauthorization of the Higher Education Act is debated, Fitzgerald said. The maximum Pell Grant is $4,050.
In his recent speech, Summers tried to dispel the notion that low-income students are less qualified than others. Affluent students attend schools that offer extra-curricular activities that burnish resumes and can afford SAT prep courses that help boost their scores--opportunities often unavailable to low-income students, he said.
As for Brown, the Harvard student says his experience of just scraping by at college led him to change career goals.
"I wanted to be a millionaire, and I didn't care how I did it," Brown said. "It sounds maudlin, but this has changed me. Now I'd be happy directing a financial-aid program."
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My brothers and I had no option but to expect college would be paid for, going to college was expected of us from an early age. We were told they were paying for 4 years of undergrad, anything after that (extra years of undergrad or any grad school) had to be paid for by us. It made sure that my brothers and I graduated in 4 years, which for some reason ended up being not that common among people I went to high school with.
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It may sound ironic or unlikely, but often the most expensive schools have the best aid programs, as they are need based only. I have a cousin who lives in rural Vermont and parents make little; my family urged him to not limit the schools he looked at, but find the schools that fit him and at least give it a try -- see what the aid packages might look like. In the end, Vassar gave him a better package than even his state universities...he's paying nearly nothing.
Now, since his parents can't afford it and it would cause a burden, he's obviously helping by getting loans in his name and working on campus.
Still, something to remember when your wee ones are looking at colleges and universities.
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Originally posted by mankie:
[Even if you don't want to...you're also agreeing with me by your comment above. You helped with your college education even if you didn't sign the tuition fee checks. [/QB]
Yes, I do agree. My parents wanted me to get a college degree, but they instilled some responsibility in me by making me "earn" part of it. I didn't need to work for the tuition, but rather for the responsibility.
The only thing we differ on is that I think because you are not out on your own at 18 doesn't make you more mature or responsible than those that were subsidized by their parents.
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I think the universities need to consider WHERE the person lives when it comes to aid packages.
A family of four in rural Vermont can probably get by just fine on 40K. Not so in this area.
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
A family of four in rural Vermont can probably get by just fine on 40K. Not so in this area.
They're not living on $40K, I can assure you.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
I hope these are all Ivy league schools you're going to. I'd hate to see all that hard earned bread your poor parents sweated go to waste on some jerkwater teachers college-with-a-good-football-team institute.
good football, good basketball and good education
Univ. of MD (http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/facts/2003rank.cfm) at College Park:
The university was 17th in the ranking of national public universities (US News & World Report)
The Clark School of Engineering was ranked 25th in the nation (among schools whose highest degree is a doctorate). US News
So you don't have to pay for Ivy league schools to get a quality education.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
good football, good basketball and good education
Univ. of MD (http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/facts/2003rank.cfm) at College Park:
The university was 17th in the ranking of national public universities (US News & World Report)
The Clark School of Engineering was ranked 25th in the nation (among schools whose highest degree is a doctorate). US News
So you don't have to pay for Ivy league schools to get a quality education.
what is their student-to-teacher ratio? how many freshman/sophmore level classes are taught by professors and not grad. students? that's the biggest strike, imo, against public universities.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
So you don't have to pay for Ivy league schools to get a quality education.
But they're so pretty!!!
:p
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Do you believe everything you read in the US News & World Report?
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
I hope these are all Ivy league schools you're going to. I'd hate to see all that hard earned bread your poor parents sweated go to waste on some jerkwater teachers college-with-a-good-football-team institute.
good football, good basketball and good education
Univ. of MD (http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/facts/2003rank.cfm) at College Park:
The university was 17th in the ranking of national public universities (US News & World Report)
The Clark School of Engineering was ranked 25th in the nation (among schools whose highest degree is a doctorate). US News
So you don't have to pay for Ivy league schools to get a quality education. [/b]
You just keep right on believing that, Mr.Educated, and aim high!
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Except for the classes taught by professors who couldn't teach their way out of a paper bag. What makes a college professor any better a teacher than a grad student? Neither have had classes on HOW to teach a class. And if you're talking about undergraduate level course material, it's quite possible that both grad student and professor both know the material sufficiently. They're both probably more concerned with their research than they are with you, anyway.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
good football, good basketball and good education
Univ. of MD (http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/facts/2003rank.cfm) at College Park:
The university was 17th in the ranking of national public universities (US News & World Report)
The Clark School of Engineering was ranked 25th in the nation (among schools whose highest degree is a doctorate). US News
So you don't have to pay for Ivy league schools to get a quality education.
what is their student-to-teacher ratio? how many freshman/sophmore level classes are taught by professors and not grad. students? that's the biggest strike, imo, against public universities. [/b]
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
what is their student-to-teacher ratio? how many freshman/sophmore level classes are taught by professors and not grad. students? that's the biggest strike, imo, against public universities. [/QB]
I remember being in lecture halls with 300 others realizing that I didn't have to be there if I didn't want to. I also had grad students teaching but I couldn't understand what they were saying through their accents!!!
My grades hit the sh*tter and that was a wake-up call that I had to study more on my own.
All those points you make were somewhat of a handicap, but it also depends on the individuals' free-will and discipline.
The end result was well worth it for less $$$!
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
You just keep right on believing that, Mr.Educated, and aim high!
You are right. You come up with a better rating system (besides the aura of Ivy league - didn't Bush go to an Ivy League school?) and I will be happy to read it.
Love,
Mr. Educated (and Athletic)
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
You just keep right on believing that, Mr.Educated, and aim high!
You are right. You come up with a better rating system (besides the aura of Ivy league - didn't Bush go to an Ivy League school?) and I will be happy to read it.
Love,
Mr. Educated (and Athletic) [/b]
Then enlighten us with your knowledge, O learned one. What wisdom can you impart besides posting to bboards and quoting Newsweeklies?
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
what is their student-to-teacher ratio? how many freshman/sophmore level classes are taught by professors and not grad. students? that's the biggest strike, imo, against public universities. [/b]
I remember being in lecture halls with 300 others realizing that I didn't have to be there if I didn't want to. I also had grad students teaching but I couldn't understand what they were saying through their accents!!!
My grades hit the sh*tter and that was a wake-up call that I had to study more on my own.
All those points you make were somewhat of a handicap, but it also depends on the individuals' free-will and discipline.
The end result was well worth it for less $$$! [/QB]
so, it's more about how the student looks at studying and learning than the teachers? well, then what was point of all those figures you posted earlier? are not those based on quality of teaching, not necessarily the quality of the students?
nevertheless, i completely agree that it is encumbent upon the student to study hard in order to get one's money's worth. however, the task is much more difficult if you are one of 300 in one room and/or the grad student can't speak english. what is the actual value of that education then?
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Forget the grad students. I've had professors who can't speak english.
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Originally posted by Bags:
ABSOLUTELY Celeste (and your wife) get credit and respect for doing it on their own. However, that doesn't make the converse true -- that folks who had it paid for are to be derided or less respected. Their families were blessed and place a high value on education.
I agree they shouldn't be derided...
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
You just keep right on believing that, Mr.Educated, and aim high!
You are right. You come up with a better rating system (besides the aura of Ivy league - didn't Bush go to an Ivy League school?) and I will be happy to read it.
Love,
Mr. Educated (and Athletic) [/b]
Then enlighten us with your knowledge, O learned one. What wisdom can you impart besides posting to bboards and quoting Newsweeklies? [/b]
Leave your comic book store one night and meet me at the club and I will be happy to discuss the principles of engineering with you over a beer. I never claimed to know everything but I am certainly educated in my field, regardles of not attending Harvard or Yale - which was my original point. After the beer we can arm wrestle or have a discussion about posting pictures of Osama entitled "Santas little Helper" - your choice.
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Well I still get money from my parents occasionally and I am 31.
Its better that they give me some money than I despise them and go and get someone to kill them to reap the rewards.
Mankie, I think you have to be careful not to sound like my uncle. He said about his school, " If it was good enough for me, its good enough for my offspring". Not to denegrate my two cousins, but one works on a farm, the other a market stall. They both live 2 miles from home.
I am very proud of my parents for giving me the opportunities they did. They have been great. But also I am sure that they are proud of me and my acheivements. I had opportunities that they wish they had had. But I think they realise, to my credit, that I always worked hard and never let an opportunity slip from my grasp.
In the UK a much higher percentage of people go on to A-levels and University than they did when you left school. If you are well off and dont help pay for undergrad your children will despise you. I know because I had friends in that position and they just dreamed of theior parents dying. That is not a good way to be. My parents paid my rent and gave me 40 pounds a week whilst I was doing my undergrad. They refused to let me get loans or credit. I figure over those 4 years I cost them a new C-class Merc. I dont think they begrudge me it, too much.
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Children who despise their parents because they didn't pay for college are the spongers I'm talking about, and if your cousins had any drive or determination they would've done it themselves.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
nevertheless, i completely agree that it is encumbent upon the student to study hard in order to get one's money's worth...
encumbent?
too bad they don't teach spelling in college
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ha ha...just busting your balls
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
so, it's more about how the student looks at studying and learning than the teachers? well, then what was point of all those figures you posted earlier? are not those based on quality of teaching, not necessarily the quality of the students?
In reading briefly about the methodology for the ratings, it seems based on incoming student factors, school research factors (ie grants), student/faculty ratios, graduation rates and GPA's, etc. which doesn't say as much for the teaching as it does of the learning.
Anyway, the Univ. of MD is a good education for a state school.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Children who despise their parents because they didn't pay for college are the spongers I'm talking about, and if your cousins had any drive or determination they would've done it themselves.
In the UK it used to be the case that if you were from a poor family you got a student grant (now loan). If you were Ok off you got no grant. If your parents were well off the state expected them to pay for you. I know people whose parents were well off got no grant and whose parents would not pay anything. That was not a good situation to be in.
My cousins went to a crap school. If they had gone to the school I went to I have no doubts that they would of had higher aspirations. You were just expected to do something good.
But its pointless arguing with you. Therefor, I concede. You are right. I wish I worked on a farm and I hope that your offspring enjoy shoveling shit and driving tractor.
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
nevertheless, i completely agree that it is encumbent upon the student to study hard in order to get one's money's worth...
encumbent?
too bad they don't teach spelling in college
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ha ha...just busting your balls [/b]
no worries. . .for some reason i thought it was spelled that way when talking about an obligation. i know that a politician in office is spelled incumbent.
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Why do you feel the need to still take money from your parents, even at 31 with a PHD in hand? You can always say "No".
I've never understood why people would want to do that.
And no, I'm not asking in a judgemental tone, just never understood why people would do that.
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[/qb][/QUOTE]In reading briefly about the methodology for the ratings, it seems based on incoming student factors, school research factors (ie grants), student/faculty ratios, graduation rates and GPA's, etc. which doesn't say as much for the teaching as it does of the learning.
Anyway, the Univ. of MD is a good education for a state school. [/QB][/QUOTE]
U of MD. is a frigging joke. 17th out of public universities isn't anything to be proud about, really. It's underfunded, over attended, and it's undergraduate programs are mostly below average.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
U of MD. is a frigging joke.
hardly
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by keithstg:
U of MD. is a frigging joke.
hardly [/b]
For undergrad, it's probably the 4th or 5th best public school in this region. That's all.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
You just keep right on believing that, Mr.Educated, and aim high!
You are right. You come up with a better rating system (besides the aura of Ivy league - didn't Bush go to an Ivy League school?) and I will be happy to read it.
Love,
Mr. Educated (and Athletic) [/b]
Then enlighten us with your knowledge, O learned one. What wisdom can you impart besides posting to bboards and quoting Newsweeklies? [/b]
Leave your comic book store one night and meet me at the club and I will be happy to discuss the principles of engineering with you over a beer. I never claimed to know everything but I am certainly educated in my field, regardles of not attending Harvard or Yale - which was my original point. After the beer we can arm wrestle or have a discussion about posting pictures of Osama entitled "Santas little Helper" - your choice. [/b]
But, aside from picking barfights on bboards with strangers, and bemoaning the fact that you didn't attend Harvard engineering school(Is Harvard even known for their sterling engineering curricula?), DO you CLAIM to indeed 'know something' about..."Principles of Engineering &/or Arm Wrestling", as I believe you referred to it. And does this knowledge constitute an education according to your worldview?
Despite, your pronouncement of not having attended the Yale or Harvard engineering program DO YOU still consider yourself to be an "Educated" man?
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Why do you feel the need to still take money from your parents
I went 6 weeks without being able to get paid and I needed to get a car. The insurance for which was $1k for 6months. I could have struggled by, but they always promised to help buy a car one day. First car at 31...... I think the time had come.
I am sure when it is time to buy a property that they will help too.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by mankie:
Children who despise their parents because they didn't pay for college are the spongers I'm talking about, and if your cousins had any drive or determination they would've done it themselves.
In the UK it used to be the case that if you were from a poor family you got a student grant (now loan). If you were Ok off you got no grant. If your parents were well off the state expected them to pay for you. I know people whose parents were well off got no grant and whose parents would not pay anything. That was not a good situation to be in.
My cousins went to a crap school. If they had gone to the school I went to I have no doubts that they would of had higher aspirations. You were just expected to do something good.
But its pointless arguing with you. Therefor, I concede. You are right. I wish I worked on a farm and I hope that your offspring enjoy shoveling shit and driving tractor. [/b]
No.....you win, if your cousins parents didn't pay for a higher education and your cousins had no spine of their own to go get a part time job to pay for it themselves, then it must be the parents fault they are working on a farm or market. Maybe their parents should've done their homework for them too.
Going from your comments you're obviously a spoiled little boy, so that alone makes you right all the time.
Bill Gates didn't get a college dgree did he? and I don't think he shovels shit...you're just one of those college educated elitist pukes...a likeable one, but you are one. Besides, shovelling shit for a while never hurt anyone and would spur most people in bettering themselves.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
For undergrad, it's probably the 4th or 5th best public school in this region. That's all.
but do you think you could tell the difference between somebody who worked hard at maryland vs. somebody who worked hard at virginia, or somebody who did not work hard at either of those schools
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Why do you feel the need to still take money from your parents
I went 6 weeks without being able to get paid and I needed to get a car. The insurance for which was $1k for 6months. I could have struggled by, but they always promised to help buy a car one day. First car at 31...... I think the time had come.
I am sure when it is time to buy a property that they will help too. [/b]
Does mummy fly over to come wipe your arse every time you take a shit?
I see that expensive college education paid off nicely seeing as you're still financially dependent on mum and dad at age 31.
If you didn't go to concerts as often as you do you could afford the car and insurance on your own...that would be the financially responsible thing to do, but no need to be financially responsible when you have your hand in dads pocket constantly is there?
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Originally posted by keithstg:
U of MD. is a frigging joke. 17th out of public universities isn't anything to be proud about, really. It's underfunded, over attended, and it's undergraduate programs are mostly below average.
do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater.
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Originally posted by pollard:[/qb]
but do you think you could tell the difference between somebody who worked hard at maryland vs. somebody who worked hard at virginia, or somebody who did not work hard at either of those schools [/QB][/QUOTE]
While I can't speak for everyone, my experience is that yes, you can tell. Also,in my experience, people who worked hard at liberal arts schools for undergrand tend to outperform those who worked hard at universities for undergrad.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Going from your comments you're obviously a spoiled little boy, so that alone makes you right all the time.
Bill Gates didn't get a college dgree did he? and I don't think he shovels shit...you're just one of those college educated elitist pukes...a likeable one, but you are one. Besides, shovelling shit for a while never hurt anyone and would spur most people in bettering themselves.
Oh I did shitey jobs. I worked for several school holidays at the fruit and veg shop doing 11 or twelve hour days. One day I moved 5 tonnes of potato(e)s. All for 10 quid a day. Schoolwork was very appealing in comparison.
But, yes I am spoilt. In my defence, I am really glad I am am. And its not like I never struggled. I just struggled to do different things.
I think Bill Gates could have gone to college if he wanted. He was just a bright guy in the right place at the right time. There are simple stats that show you are likely to earn more and live longer if you are better educated.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
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do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Look, you don't need to defend your education to me. All I'm saying is that U of MD. isn't a great institution for undergrad. If you've been out of school for more than a few years, it's more than likely that your employer is paying you based on your industry knowledge and work experience rather than your degree, anyway.
And, what is this, the Jay-Z bulletin board? A hater? Come on. If you love U of MD. so much, why don't you go up there every time the "students" riot and keep them from tearing the place apart...
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater.
How many schools are in the engineering school population?
As for the business school rankings -- UMD is tied for 42nd. Which means it's not very good. Honestly. The Wall Street Journal pointed out the business and financial world's dirty little secret in an article a few years ago. If you didn't go to a top ten business school (Tuck, Wharton, Darden, Haas, Kellogg, Harvard, Sloan, Stanford, Chicago, maybe Fuqua, etc...) then you would probably have been better off saving your money.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I see that expensive college education paid off nicely seeing as you're still financially dependent on mum and dad at age 31.
Hardly dependent. It was the first time in five years. They had offered to help. And it saved me going deep into debt. They didnt pay so much at the NIH, you know. It was considered a "training position". Cheap foreign labour.
I could go to less concerts eat cheaper food. Live in a dingy apt. But it was just a cock-up not being able to get paid for so long.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
But, aside from picking barfights on bboards with strangers, and bemoaning the fact that you didn't attend Harvard engineering school(Is Harvard even known for their sterling engineering curricula?), DO you CLAIM to indeed 'know something' about..."Principles of Engineering &/or Arm Wrestling", as I believe you referred to it. And does this knowledge constitute an education according to your worldview?
Despite, your pronouncement of not having attended the Yale or Harvard engineering program DO YOU still consider yourself to be an "Educated" man? [/QB]
1. I never tried to start a barfight with you or anyone else on this board, I only wnated to meet and exchange pleasantries.
2. I never bemoaned not attending Harvard - I only found fault with your boisterous remark of parents wasting money on non-Ivy league schools with good footbal programs. Thus, I found a plausible exception to your comment as evidenced by my alma mater.
3. Yes, I do claim to have knowledge of the princples of engineering, evidenced by my professional license to practice in the field of engineering.
4. Yes, I do know something about arm wrestling, albeit only from Sylvester Stallone's film "Over the Top"
5. Yes, I do consider myself educated - educated enough to know that it is not just a degree from a higher education learning facility that makes one educated or intelligent. Also educated enough to know that I don't profess to know everything.
So how about it, can we meet for a beer at the 930 club and continue this discussion? Don't be afraid, I am educated enough to know that violence is not an answer to anything. Seeing as to how you have turned down other offers in the past, I will not be offended if you rebuff me.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by mankie:
Going from your comments you're obviously a spoiled little boy, so that alone makes you right all the time.
Bill Gates didn't get a college dgree did he? and I don't think he shovels shit...you're just one of those college educated elitist pukes...a likeable one, but you are one. Besides, shovelling shit for a while never hurt anyone and would spur most people in bettering themselves.
Oh I did shitey jobs. I worked for several school holidays at the fruit and veg shop doing 11 or twelve hour days. One day I moved 5 tonnes of potato(e)s. All for 10 quid a day. Schoolwork was very appealing in comparison.
But, yes I am spoilt. In my defence, I am really glad I am am. And its not like I never struggled. I just struggled to do different things.
I think Bill Gates could have gone to college if he wanted. He was just a bright guy in the right place at the right time. There are simple stats that show you are likely to earn more and live longer if you are better educated. [/b]
You're getting off track here...we're discussing wether parents owe their kids a college education, not wether a college education makes you live longer or earn more money....do you learn not to run in front of buses or something at college?
I did the fruit and veg job too, before I did my paper round every afternoon. I didn't mind it apart from having to write "5lbs" with a permanent marker on about 1,000 bags every shagging day!
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In Markie's defense, taking some money ONCE in five years qualifies as less that "occasionally" in my book.
For me, for my first car, my dad sold me his old one on credit...Took me about 3 years to pay him back for it, but I did eventually.
At my age, being fully employed, and married to some who is as well, I'd feel uncomfortable accepting money from parent or in-laws. I'd happily accept an interest free loan, but I'd pay it back in full.
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The UMD computer science graduate program is wuite highly regarded.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater.
How many schools are in the engineering school population?
As for the business school rankings -- UMD is tied for 42nd. Which means it's not very good. Honestly. The Wall Street Journal pointed out the business and financial world's dirty little secret in an article a few years ago. If you didn't go to a top ten business school (Tuck, Wharton, Darden, Haas, Kellogg, Harvard, Sloan, Stanford, Chicago, maybe Fuqua, etc...) then you would probably have been better off saving your money. [/b]
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Once I hit 25 and had access to the full ggwâ?¢ trust fund, I stopped receiving monthly stipends from Mumsy and Dadsy.
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Originally posted by mankie:
You're getting off track here...we're discussing wether parents owe their kids a college education, not wether a college education makes you live longer or earn more money....do you learn not to run in front of buses or something at college?
I smelt of rotten fruit for days after I had finished working at the fruit and veg store.
If parents can afford to help pay for education I think they should. So did the state, in the UK at least.
I was thinking of buying my parents a computer to pay them back, as they probably wouldnt take the cash back anyhow. They would say "save it for your downpayment". Which is what I should do.
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all right!! too many arguments going on at one time.
To summarize:
Numbers are like $20 whores, you can do anything you want with them!!! So the ranking system is all relative to the methodologies and what the School's PR dept. does is another story.
I never claimed that UMD was the best, but it is a good value for a good education - which was meant to find a flaw in Dupek's original statement about good-in football schools.
I am not Jay-Z, but I am diverse!
UVA fans have a great chant when they are losing in an athletic contest:
"That's all right, that's okay, because you'll be working for us one day!"
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Did you guys see the Apprentice last night?
First though that came to my mind was "Those two whities will probably make the poor black dude be the rickshaw driver"
Sure enough, they did, racist fuckers.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
UVA fans have a great chant when they are losing in an athletic contest:
"That's all right, that's okay, because you'll be working for us one day!"
Yale, Harvard, Princeton all have the same cheer. I thought it was hysterical to hear Princeton students yelling that at U. Penn students during a football game. "Uhm, okay. Wait, we have Wharton!"
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Did you guys see the Apprentice last night?
First though that came to my mind was "Those two whities will probably make the poor black dude be the rickshaw driver"
Sure enough, they did, racist fuckers.
Yeah, but Kwame should have gotten the axe, not the chick. It's down to less T&A now!
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Did you guys see the Apprentice last night?
First though that came to my mind was "Those two whities will probably make the poor black dude be the rickshaw driver"
Sure enough, they did, racist fuckers.
Yeah, but Kwame should have gotten the axe, not the chick. It's down to less T&A now! [/b]
I think Kwame is going to go much further in that situation. He knows how to stay under the radar very well, it seems like...
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Did you guys see the Apprentice last night?
First though that came to my mind was "Those two whities will probably make the poor black dude be the rickshaw driver"
Sure enough, they did, racist fuckers.
I did say to my wife the reason the black bloke isn't getting any fares is because he's black, they should've gone with old country boy from the start because he's a novelty in NYC. I also said advertizing was the key to success, which it was.....another way they should've done it was to have a contract with a restaurant or bar off the main drag around Times Square for free rides from Times Square to their establishment, that would've been guaranteed income regardless of how many customers they get...all this without a college degree, go figure! ;)
Does anyone else get the feeling Trump has already decided who he wants, and it's that Nick character?
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umcp alumi here. i grew up spending a lot of time on campus, and always wanted to attend. when it came time to look at colleges, i felt more of a need for a smaller, more intensive school.
what i found was the honors program at umcp. i had all of the intellectual stimulation and advantages of a small liberal arts college (small classes, dedicated faculty, up to date facilities, varied and challenging subject matter), nestled in the middle of a thriving state university that had a lot to offer on it's own. for me, it was a perfect combination.
i also worked between one and three part time jobs while attending school full time to help pay for my education. i wouldn't have been able to do it as quickly without my parents' help, but i did contribute my part. that's what i would expect from any children i may have.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Did you guys see the Apprentice last night?
First though that came to my mind was "Those two whities will probably make the poor black dude be the rickshaw driver"
Sure enough, they did, racist fuckers.
Yeah, but Kwame should have gotten the axe, not the chick. It's down to less T&A now! [/b]
Heidi T&A??? Sheeze, that's stretching it a bit isn't it?
I think they fired the right one last night, her heart wasn't in it since her mother got ill, and she's too rough under the collar to run a corporation anyway.
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Heidi had a butter face.
but she wasn't afraid to use sex to sell early on in the competition.
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If Heidi is TandA to you, you must subscribe to the "anything under 200 lbs is fuckable" school of thought?
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Heidi had a butter face.
but she wasn't afraid to use sex to sell early on in the competition.
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Heidi had a butter face.
but she wasn't afraid to use sex to sell early on in the competition.
All the women used sex in the early stages, then that prissey bitch, the real estate agent was "all offended" when it was suggested last night. I hope she gets hoofed next week, the cow!
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Originally posted by keithstg:
in my experience, people who worked hard at liberal arts schools for undergrand tend to outperform those who worked hard at universities for undergrad.
I know that stands true for me...though I went to a school virtually unknown outside of the general locale...
Still, you shouldn't dis MD...hell, if a person has a good paying job, that's something there...do we really need more academics who don't know how to DO a damn thing?
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Still, you shouldn't dis MD...hell, if a person has a good paying job, that's something there...do we really need more academics who don't know how to DO a damn thing? [/b]
Easy there miss...somebody needs to clean my plate away when I'm in a restaurant.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Does anyone else get the feeling Trump has already decided who he wants, and it's that Nick character?
I like Nick...I also like the cute curly haired blonde girl...Amy (?)
Kwame shoulda been fired way back when he impersonated a celebrity at that ball signing thing...
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Originally posted by mankie:
Easy there miss...somebody needs to clean my plate away when I'm in a restaurant.
of course, those should be the college kids paying their way through school...me ten years ago!!!!
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Still, you shouldn't dis MD...hell, if a person has a good paying job, that's something there...do we really need more academics who don't know how to DO a damn thing? [/QB]
Why not? You and bunnyballs diss everything else on this board. I think that U of MD. is mediocre (at best), and stand by that point.
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
"anything under 200 lbs is fuckable"
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Now you're talking!!!
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Originally posted by mankie:
Does anyone else get the feeling Trump has already decided who he wants, and it's that Nick character?
I like Nick...I also like the cute curly haired blonde girl...Amy (?)
Kwame shoulda been fired way back when he impersonated a celebrity at that ball signing thing... [/b]
Kwame hasn't shone at anything yet...the one who I think looks like Matt Lauer that was leading the winning team last night is mediocre..the real estate agent is just that...a real estate agent and they all tend to think they're something special when all they do is show people houses, so she's useless. Troy the country boy outsmarted her at her own game. Troy is good at thinking on his feet but Nick and that Amy are probably the strongest two people to head a company. Nick's problem is he thinks he's this wonderful salesman when he's barely average...he couldn't sell bottled water to a friggin resaurant for crying out loud. The problem they're making for themselves now is forming alliances when it's a job interview, which will come back to haunt some of them at the end.
I've never sat through one other single reality show, but I enjoy the dynamics of this one...and I like Donald Trump, he's not the horses arse he has the reputation of being.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I like Donald Trump, he's not the horses arse he has the reputation of being.
but that hair is so reprehensible!
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Originally posted by mankie:
I like Donald Trump, he's not the horses arse he has the reputation of being.
but that hair is so reprehensible! [/b]
Beyond reprehensible, because the man has millions upon millions and must be able to find *someone* who can help him. I was aghast, as if anew, last night. :D
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by keithstg:
For undergrad, it's probably the 4th or 5th best public school in this region. That's all.
but do you think you could tell the difference between somebody who worked hard at maryland vs. somebody who worked hard at virginia, or somebody who did not work hard at either of those schools [/b]
Somebody who worked very hard would eventually get a professorship...at an Ivy league university.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater.
How many schools are in the engineering school population?
As for the business school rankings -- UMD is tied for 42nd. Which means it's not very good. Honestly. The Wall Street Journal pointed out the business and financial world's dirty little secret in an article a few years ago. If you didn't go to a top ten business school (Tuck, Wharton, Darden, Haas, Kellogg, Harvard, Sloan, Stanford, Chicago, maybe Fuqua, etc...) then you would probably have been better off saving your money. [/b]
Not to get everyone pissed off at the ol' Dupester, but...Business is not an education at all!
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
The UMD computer science graduate program is wuite highly regarded.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater.
How many schools are in the engineering school population?
As for the business school rankings -- UMD is tied for 42nd. Which means it's not very good. Honestly. The Wall Street Journal pointed out the business and financial world's dirty little secret in an article a few years ago. If you didn't go to a top ten business school (Tuck, Wharton, Darden, Haas, Kellogg, Harvard, Sloan, Stanford, Chicago, maybe Fuqua, etc...) then you would probably have been better off saving your money. [/b]
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As is astronomy (http://www.astro.umd.edu/academics/grad.html), I'm taken to understand.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Still, you shouldn't dis MD...hell, if a person has a good paying job, that's something there...do we really need more academics who don't know how to DO a damn thing? [/b]
Why not? You and bunnyballs diss everything else on this board. I think that U of MD. is mediocre (at best), and stand by that point. [/QB]
Hah! Fancy that. Me & keithstg on the same side of an argument. It was bound to happen sooner or later....
What did Mick used to say? "Hey Keiff, get offa my cloud."
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
But, aside from picking barfights on bboards with strangers, and bemoaning the fact that you didn't attend Harvard engineering school(Is Harvard even known for their sterling engineering curricula?), DO you CLAIM to indeed 'know something' about..."Principles of Engineering &/or Arm Wrestling", as I believe you referred to it. And does this knowledge constitute an education according to your worldview?
Despite, your pronouncement of not having attended the Yale or Harvard engineering program DO YOU still consider yourself to be an "Educated" man? [/b]
1. I never tried to start a barfight with you or anyone else on this board, I only wnated to meet and exchange pleasantries.
2. I never bemoaned not attending Harvard - I only found fault with your boisterous remark of parents wasting money on non-Ivy league schools with good footbal programs. Thus, I found a plausible exception to your comment as evidenced by my alma mater.
3. Yes, I do claim to have knowledge of the princples of engineering, evidenced by my professional license to practice in the field of engineering.
4. Yes, I do know something about arm wrestling, albeit only from Sylvester Stallone's film "Over the Top"
5. Yes, I do consider myself educated - educated enough to know that it is not just a degree from a higher education learning facility that makes one educated or intelligent. Also educated enough to know that I don't profess to know everything.
So how about it, can we meet for a beer at the 930 club and continue this discussion? Don't be afraid, I am educated enough to know that violence is not an answer to anything. Seeing as to how you have turned down other offers in the past, I will not be offended if you rebuff me. [/QB]
<img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/bestsmileys1/emoticons1/BIGeightball777.gif" alt=" - " />
Dammit! Now you're being civil. Bah!
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
all right!! too many arguments going on at one time.
To summarize:
Numbers are like $20 whores, you can do anything you want with them!!! So the ranking system is all relative to the methodologies and what the School's PR dept. does is another story.
I never claimed that UMD was the best, but it is a good value for a good education - which was meant to find a flaw in Dupek's original statement about good-in football schools.
Sorry...Did I say football? I meant to say: lacrosse.
<img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/bestsmileys1/emoticons1/11poke.gif" alt=" - " />
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A college education doesn't mean you're intelligent, it just means you can remember shit that you read in a book.
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Originally posted by mankie:
A college education doesn't mean you're intelligent, it just means you can remember shit that you read in a book.
No way....it's not about the books, it's about the approach and processes of integrated thinking. Sure, there are facts, especially in certain fields, but there's also how to think, research, reach conclusions and convey them well, make connections and study impacts, causes and effects.
;)
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by mankie:
[qb] No way....it's not about the books, it's about the approach and processes of integrated thinking. Sure, there are facts, especially in certain fields, but there's also how to think, research, reach conclusions and convey them well, make connections and study impacts, causes and effects.
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There is no point telling that to Mankie, he is too crude.
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Ah yes, my Friday afternoon fishing expedition was successful again. ;)
But I do have a question...if someone takes an "art history" degree for example, gets their teaching degree and becomes an art history teacher then teaches kids who get their degrees to become art history teachers who then teach kids to become art history teachers and so on and so forth.....what has that process contributed other than $$$ in the art history department coffers of Universities that teach art history?
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That's the line of crap they tell you to sell it to you.
Bottom line is a BS is the new high school diploma. Without you, you have to be very, very resourceful to get a good paying job. With it, you stand a chance.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by mankie:
A college education doesn't mean you're intelligent, it just means you can remember shit that you read in a book.
No way....it's not about the books, it's about the approach and processes of integrated thinking. Sure, there are facts, especially in certain fields, but there's also how to think, research, reach conclusions and convey them well, make connections and study impacts, causes and effects.
;) [/b]
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Originally posted by mankie:
.....what has that process contributed other than $$$ in the art history department coffers of Universities that teach art history?
This example precisely refers to the post above. Ditto to the study of literature, history, etc.
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But really, you guys should be checking out the good and bad plastic surgery side by sides! ;)
From the "murder" thread...
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Originally posted by Bags:
This example precisely refers to the post above. Ditto to the study of literature, history, etc.
Now you're talkin' real education.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Bags:
This example precisely refers to the post above. Ditto to the study of literature, history, etc.
Now you're talkin' real education. [/b]
As well as knowing the answers to Jeopardy questions!
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Originally posted by mankie:
A college education doesn't mean you're intelligent, it just means you can remember shit that you read in a book.
A book like the Ferrari sales manual?
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Bags:
This example precisely refers to the post above. Ditto to the study of literature, history, etc.
Now you're talkin' real education. [/b]
As well as knowing the answers to Jeopardy questions! [/b]
I can see I've really touched a nerve here. I had no idea you were so sensitive regarding the subject of your education.
Buck up (http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/buckup.wav), little camper.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
I can see I've really touched a nerve here. I had no idea you were so sensitive regarding the subject of your education.
Buck up (http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/buckup.wav), little camper.
Actually you haven't touched anything.
Answering Jeopardy questions is a good thing.
Now don't be offering to touch anything else, or you will see how sensitive I can be :eek:
PS Go ACC Tourney Champ Terps!
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Actually you haven't touched anything.
Answering Jeopardy questions is a good thing.
Now don't be offering to touch anything else, or you will see how sensitive I can be :eek:
PS Go ACC Tourney Champ Terps!
It's quite clear I can have no hope of victory arguing the point with a man of your education.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Actually you haven't touched anything.
Answering Jeopardy questions is a good thing.
Now don't be offering to touch anything else, or you will see how sensitive I can be :eek:
PS Go ACC Tourney Champ Terps!
It's quite clear I can have no hope of victory arguing the point with a man of your education. [/b]
No one is arguing anymore but you, big man.
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SAN DIMAS FOOTBALL ROCKS!
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<img src="http://www.16bit.com/toypics/simpsons/comicbookguy/01.gif" alt=" - " />
Characteristics
Highly sarcastic attitude
I.Q. of 170
Owns the Android's Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop
45 years Old
Virgin
Lives with parents
Yellow skin
Fat and constantly eating
Brown hair worn in a pony-tail
Has prescription pants
Voiced by Hank Azaria
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Originally posted by mankie:
A college education doesn't mean you're intelligent, it just means you can remember shit that you read in a book.
actually memorization is the lowest form of learning, in a sense...I think Bags touched on this when she used the word "integrative"
when I tutor seniors on their computers, they seem to have a very difficult time because they insist on trying to remember a series of steps instead of trying to get an understanding of how the systems work...
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
<img src="http://www.16bit.com/toypics/simpsons/comicbookguy/01.gif" alt=" - " />
Characteristics
Highly sarcastic attitude
I.Q. of 170
Owns the Android's Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop
45 years Old
Virgin
Lives with parents
Yellow skin
Fat and constantly eating
Brown hair worn in a pony-tail
Has prescription pants
Voiced by Hank Azaria
But can you tell me what real-life celeb did Groening base the character of 'Comic Book Guy' on Mr.Smartypants?
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Originally posted by mankie:
But I do have a question...if someone takes an "art history" degree for example, gets their teaching degree and becomes an art history teacher then teaches kids who get their degrees to become art history teachers who then teach kids to become art history teachers and so on and so forth.....what has that process contributed other than $$$ in the art history department coffers of Universities that teach art history?
what about the Accounting or Math majors that will take an Art History elective taught by one of these profs and have their dreary lives brightened a bit?
seriously, though, it takes all sorts of disciplines to make the world go round (as they say)...and you are mistaken if you think the ideas that could be generated by a study of Art History, or other "humanities" could not inform engineering, mathematical or economic theories, and vice versa...
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
But can you tell me what real-life celeb did Groening base the character of 'Comic Book Guy' on Mr.Smartypants?
looks like Kevin Smith to me
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Didn't Mankie find the art of Egon Schiele uplifting?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
But can you tell me what real-life celeb did Groening base the character of 'Comic Book Guy' on Mr.Smartypants?
Look Dupek, from what I have seen on this board, I generally like what you offer. Therefore, I want to apologize if I said anything during this thread that has offended you. Sorry.
Now, who was the "Comic Book Guy" based on? - is it himself?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Didn't Mankie find the art of Egon Schiele uplifting?
hey...another thing we have in common, Mankie!
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Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
Look Dupek, from what I have seen on this board, I generally like what you offer. Therefore, I want to apologize if I said anything during this thread that has offended you. Sorry.
Now, who was the "Comic Book Guy" based on? - is it himself?
The same applies for me, I said some stupid crap, as per usual. No offense taken here. We was just having a bit of fun.
Comic Book Guy is based on Fritz The Cat animator, Ralph Bakshi (http://www.simpsonscollectors.com/wospdb/figure.asp?fig=f0038).
BTW, Have you played SIMPSONS HIT & RUN yet on PS or PC? Grrrrreat game that one. Vote Quimby!
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Don't know much about R.Bakshi, but if he is like the CBG he needs some help. Have not seen the Simpsons Hit and Run PS game either.
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Didn't Mankie find the art of Egon Schiele uplifting?
hey...another thing we have in common, Mankie! [/b]
I think we should have an affair! We could ride our bikes to the Egon Schiele exhibition after meeting for breakfast at the place that only serves free roaming hens eggs and vegan bacon and sausage. While at breakfast we could discuss why it's only the two of us on this board who like your husband.
Seriously, Egon Schiele was a genius..I wanted to name Rory Egon, but it got vetoed. We have his "artists wife seated" painting in pride of place in our living room..BONUS! She was a redhead and I looooove me the redheads.
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sound like such nice people in this county
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&u=/ap/20040317/ap_on_re_us/county_gay_ban_1&printer=1 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&u=/ap/20040317/ap_on_re_us/county_gay_ban_1&printer=1)
Tenn. County Wants to Charge Homosexuals
Wed Mar 17, 1:37 PM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!
DAYTON, Tenn. - The county that was the site of the Scopes "Monkey Trial" over the teaching of evolution is asking lawmakers to amend state law so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature.
The Rhea County commissioners approved the request 8-0 Tuesday.
Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the measure, also asked the county attorney to find a way to enact an ordinance banning homosexuals from living in the county.
"We need to keep them out of here," Fugate said.
The vote was denounced by Matt Nevels, president of the Chattanooga chapter of Parents, Family and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.
"That is the most farfetched idea put forth by any kind of public official," Nevels said. "I'm outraged."
Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) struck down Texas' sodomy laws as a violation of adults' privacy.
Rhea County is one of the most conservative counties in Tennessee. It holds an annual festival commemorating the 1925 trial at which John T. Scopes was convicted of teaching evolution. The verdict was thrown out on a technicality. The trial became the subject of the play and movie "Inherit the Wind."
In 2002, a federal judge ruled unconstitutional the teaching of a Bible class in the public schools.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I think we should have an affair! We could ride our bikes to the Egon Schiele exhibition after meeting for breakfast at the place that only serves free roaming hens eggs and vegan bacon and sausage. While at breakfast we could discuss why it's only the two of us on this board who like your husband...
sounds delightful...only if my husband can come on the date, too...and you could also bring along your favorite red-head
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Originally posted by pollard:
sound like such nice people in this county
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&u=/ap/20040317/ap_on_re_us/county_gay_ban_1&printer=1 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&u=/ap/20040317/ap_on_re_us/county_gay_ban_1&printer=1)
Tenn. County Wants to Charge Homosexuals
Wed Mar 17, 1:37 PM ET Add U.S. National
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The Rhea County commissioners approved the request 8-0 Tuesday.
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More like Diar-Rhea...since the town seems to be filled with shit heads!
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I can't believe Rhea County wasn't on my "where I should live" list....
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
[[/QB]
Hah! Fancy that. Me & keithstg on the same side of an argument. It was bound to happen sooner or later....
What did Mick used to say? "Hey Keiff, get offa my cloud." [/QB][/QUOTE]
I guess stranger things have happened...
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
Originally posted by mankie:
I think we should have an affair! We could ride our bikes to the Egon Schiele exhibition after meeting for breakfast at the place that only serves free roaming hens eggs and vegan bacon and sausage. While at breakfast we could discuss why it's only the two of us on this board who like your husband...
sounds delightful...only if my husband can come on the date, too...and you could also bring along your favorite red-head [/b]
DEAL! ;)
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Apparently, they changed their mind (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040319/ts_alt_afp/us_gays_crime_040319160842).
Tennessee county reverses call to make homosexuality a crime
DAYTON, United States (AFP) - Officials in a rural Tennessee county held a five-minute emergency session to scrap an anti-gay resolution that earlier this week triggered a national furor, but failed to quash the controversy.
[snip]
All eight members of the panel supported Fugat, but some later disavowed their votes, saying they thought they were voting for a ban on gay marriage.
"It was my understanding the motion was on the (gay) marriage issue," panel chairman Terry Broyles, said Wednesday. "I was confused. I assume the other commissioners were, too."
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Maybe you should pay more attention to what the f*ck you're voting on, prick.
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More government in action:
Georgia House Bans Genital Piercings (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040324_1836.html)
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
More government in action:
Georgia House Bans Genital Piercings (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040324_1836.html)
So can Thatguy keep his Prince Albert if he moves to GA? Why just women and not blokes too?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
More government in action:
Georgia House Bans Genital Piercings (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040324_1836.html)
So can Thatguy keep his Prince Albert if he moves to GA? Why just women and not blokes too? [/b]
Female circumsission has become a big deal in the UK too. There are long jail sentences (10 years) now even if you have your daughter mutilated abroad
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
So can Thatguy keep his Prince Albert if he moves to GA?
i'd like to see them try to take it from me.
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I can imagine a happy day in court for some jurors though......
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let me show you my first piece of evidence......."
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ewewew.
Yeah, there was a story about female genital mutilation in this month's issue of Jane.
Worst story in the article? Some woman (19) who was dating a dentist (30+) let him hit her up with novicane and cut off labia and cut out clit. Why? So she could focus less on her lust and more on his needs.
ewewew
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
More government in action:
Georgia House Bans Genital Piercings (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040324_1836.html)
So can Thatguy keep his Prince Albert if he moves to GA? Why just women and not blokes too? [/b]
Female circumsission has become a big deal in the UK too. There are long jail sentences (10 years) now even if you have your daughter mutilated abroad [/b]
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
[QB] ewewew.
Yeah, there was a story about female genital mutilation in this month's issue of Jane.
Worst story in the article? Some woman (19) who was dating a dentist (30+) let him hit her up with novicane and cut off labia and cut out clit. Why? So she could focus less on her lust and more on his needs.
ewewew
Maybe it's just me...but the little man in the boat is the best bit to pay attention to when giving her oral..no?