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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sonickteam2 on January 06, 2004, 10:52:00 am
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100 Sleepy Jackson, The Vampire Racecourse
99 Searay Revelry
98 Libertines, The I Get Along
97 Johnny Marr & The Healers Bangin' On
96 Black Keys, The Hard Now
95 Alien Ant Farm Glow
94 Elbow Fallen Angel
93 Billy Talent Try Honesty
92 Red Hot Chili Peppers Dosed
91 Stills, The Still In Love
90 D4, The Get Loose
89 Palo Alto Fade Out/In
88 Burning Brides Arctic Snow
87 Audioslave Like A Stone
86 Brassy Hit Em Hard
85 Gemma Hayes Back Of My Hand
84 Jack Johnson Horizon Has Been Defeated
83 Yeah Yeah Yeahs Date With A Night
82 Ben Harper Amen Omen
81 Von Bondies, The Lack Of Communication
80 AFI The Leaving Song Part II
79 White Stripes, The Black Math
78 Foo Fighters All My Life
77 Placebo Special Needs
76 Hot Hot Heat Talk To Me, Dance With Me
75 Liam Lynch United States Of Whatever
74 Fischerspooner Emerge
73 Datsuns, The In Love
72 Ikara Colt One Note
71 Ours Leaves
70 Godsmack Straight Out Of Line
69 Dandy Warhols, The You Were The Last High
68 Cave In Inspire
67 Twilight Singers, The Teenage Wristband
66 Idlewild A Modern Way Of Letting Go
65 Jimmy Eat World A Praise Chorus
64 Ted Leo & The Pharmacists Tell Balgeary Balgury Is Dead
63 Dashboard Confessional Hands Down
62 New Pornographers The Laws Have Changed
61 Beulah Landslide Baby
60 Pete Yorn Crystal Village
59 Blur Out Of Time
58 Interpol Say Hello To The Angels
57 Divorce, The Catch You Disappointed
56 Donnas, The Who Invited You
55 Strokes, The 12:51
54 Placebo This Picture
53 Thursday Signals Over The Air
52 Jane's Addiction Just Because
51 Raveonettes, The That Great Love Sound
50 Guster Amsterdam
49 All American Rejects Swing Swing
48 REM Bad Day
47 Dredg Same Ol' Road
46 Used, The Buried Myself Alive
45 Grandaddy Stray Dog & The Chocolate
44 Rainer Maria Ears Ring
43 Muse Stockholm Syndrome
42 Radiohead 2+2=5
41 Spymob 2040
40 Cat Power He War
39 Longwave Everywhere You Turn
38 Shins, the So Says I
37 Amos, Tori Taxi Ride
36 Ben Folds All You Can Eat
35 My Morning Jacket Mahgeetah
34 Placebo English Summer Rain
33 311 Creatures (For A While)
32 South Loosen Your Hold
31 Fountains Of Wayne Hey Julie
30 Outkast Hey Ya
29 Coldplay The Scientist
28 Muse Time Is Running Out
27 Jayhawks, The Save It For A Rainy Day
26 Radiohead Go To Sleep
25 Ryan Adams So Alive
24 BRMC Stop
23 Ted Leo / Pharmacists Where Have All The Rude Boys Gone
22 Mars Volta, The Inertiatic
21 Roots, The The Seed V 2.0
20 Postal Service, The The District Sleeps Alone
19 Electric 6 Danger (High Voltage)
18 Eels Saturday Morning
17 Motion City Soundtrack The Future Freaks Me Out
16 White Stripes, The Hardest Button To Button
15 Jane's Addiction The Riches
14 A Perfect Circle Weak And Powerless
13 Blur Crazy Beat
12 Music, The Getaway
11 Placebo The Bitter End
10 Hot Hot Heat Bandages
9 Kenna Freetime
8 Long Winters, The Cinnamon
7 Fountains Of Wayne Stacy's Mom
6 Jet Are You Gonna Be My Girl?
5 Dandy Warhols, The We Used To Be Friends
4 White Stripes, The Seven Nation Army
3 Idlewild American English
2 Radiohead There There
1 Interpol Obstacle 1
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What store do I go to to buy a copy of each of these singles?
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three mentions for radiohead............
but they only come in at #2............actually that's perfect placement for them..........i always think of them as no. 2
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What store do I go to to buy a copy of each of these singles?
uh. i would think of a clever answer if i thought you were serious, rhett.
i have all 430 of them on mp3 though ;)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What store do I go to to buy a copy of each of these singles?
Toys R Us!
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
three mentions for radiohead............
but they only come in at #2............actually that's perfect placement for them..........i always think of them as no. 2
If Interpol is #1 then the music industry is in a very sad state of affairs.
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Alien Ant Farm Rulez
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
three mentions for radiohead............
but they only come in at #2............actually that's perfect placement for them..........i always think of them as no. 2
Thats funny cause i only think of them when i'm taking a # 2.
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To clarify what we did (and we've done this for 4 years now). there are about 18-20 people who, every week, collect the top 20 singles and rank them, and then we make our own top 100 of the year. then we tally every ones weekly and yearly lists up to get votes. 20 votes for a 1 , 1 for a 20.
Singles are defined as songs with radio-play, here or not. and since mostly radio around here sucks, the internet is a good tool to see whats being played on the radio in america.
and Interpol was actually my personal favourite of the year.
sure its lame or whatever, but its pretty fun to do.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
To clarify what we did (and we've done this for 4 years now). there are about 18-20 people who, every week, collect the top 20 singles and rank them, and then we make our own top 100 of the year. then we tally every ones weekly and yearly lists up to get votes. 20 votes for a 1 , 1 for a 20.
Singles are defined as songs with radio-play, here or not. and since mostly radio around here sucks, the internet is a good tool to see whats being played on the radio in america.
and Interpol was actually my personal favourite of the year.
sure its lame or whatever, but its pretty fun to do.
Don't you think it's time you moved out of your parents basement and got a job or something?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Don't you think it's time you moved out of your parents basement and got a job or something? [/b]
its called a hobby, asshole.
sorry for sharing.
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Why did you remove your list???
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cause some people are assholes, and its one thing to argue what songs are on the list and what not, but its another thing to call what i am doing useless and childish.
ask mankie why i took my list off.
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awwwwww
i never realised you were so sensitive................
sorry, we were just having a little fun with the newbie...........
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Nothing wrong with doing musically nerdy things like that. More interesting than obsessing over soccer results, if you ask me.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by mankie:
Don't you think it's time you moved out of your parents basement and got a job or something? [/b]
its called a hobby, asshole.
sorry for sharing. [/b]
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thanks rhett.
it took a lot of thinking whether or not to put this up, but i figured, we are all music geeks, people may appreciate it, or at least it will start a good conversation.
I didnt expect personal attacks.
now i know
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Sounds like you put a lot of work into that list sonick. Post it back up. I'd prefer reading that to some Rolling Stone/Spin/NME top 100 bands with nice hair.
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I thought it was good list - personally I would have had Fugitive Motel instead of Fallen angel as the Elbow song (and I would have had it alot higher)....
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It's called chivalry, dude.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I didnt expect personal attacks.
now i know
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
cause some people are assholes, and its one thing to argue what songs are on the list and what not, but its another thing to call what i am doing useless and childish.
ask mankie why i took my list off.
The list wasn't childish, but this comment is.
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ok, i overreacted.
- this is my biggest hobby and i get a little defensive of it.
i shouldnt be mad just cause mankie is an old wanker.
(and fugitive motel was 313, but it was out late and will be in next years too, much higher)
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
[QB] It's called chivalry, dude.
Is sonickteam a lady, or are you just proving that doodles have no clue what chivalry is?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
cause some people are assholes, and its one thing to argue what songs are on the list and what not, but its another thing to call what i am doing useless and childish.
ask mankie why i took my list off.
The list wasn't childish, but this comment is. [/b]
if you told me about your somewhat obssesive hobby that you felt wierd about sharing in the first place, and i told you to basically grow up and get a life, you wouldnt like it. It took a lot to share this list, thats all. can you understand that?
ok, back to talking about Radiohead and number 2 or something.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
ok, i overreacted.
- this is my biggest hobby and i get a little defensive of it.
i shouldnt be mad just cause mankie is an old wanker.
(and fugitive motel was 313, but it was out late and will be in next years too, much higher)
There you go now, that's better....let's all have a big old group hug.
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I actually realized that one after I posted it. Sonick, go get a vag, or else I'm looking like an ass.
For the record, I open doors for women. And I have african american friends. I'm awesome, aren't I.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
[QB] It's called chivalry, dude.
Is sonickteam a lady, or are you just proving that doodles have no clue what chivalry is? [/b]
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I actually realized that one after I posted it. Sonick, go get a vag, or else I'm looking like an ass.
[/QB][/QUOTE]
sorry, i am no woman. :)
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I think it's a cool idea. I wish I had that kind of dedication and access to that much music. where do you get your mp3s? I'm attempting eDonkey, but the selection sucks, and it takes ages. although I'm getting a ton of Cure...I guess eDonkey users are 80's goth fans, explaining why I can't get any new bands.
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Originally posted by Samantha:
where do you get your mp3s?
80% Soulseek
the rest i try insound.com or type in a yahoo or google search.
ex. radiohead there there mp3
it sometimes works!
plus we have 20 people so some i can get from them.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Samantha:
where do you get your mp3s?
80% Soulseek
the rest i try insound.com or type in a yahoo or google search.
ex. radiohead there there mp3
it sometimes works!
plus we have 20 people so some i can get from them. [/b]
what is the link for soulseek?
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http://www.slsknet.org/ (http://www.slsknet.org/)
its a P2P so you'll have to download the program, but it has run great for me. and the only songs i cant find on it are ones that the album hasnt come out, or unless its REALLY rare.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
http://www.slsknet.org/ (http://www.slsknet.org/)
its a P2P so you'll have to download the program, but it has run great for me. and the only songs i cant find on it are ones that the album hasnt come out, or unless its REALLY rare.
thanks man, I needed a new P2P
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no problem. :)
I was using WinMX but once I got Soulseek i have never looked back.
Not that i actually download music illegally though! :eek:
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
no problem. :)
I was using WinMX but once I got Soulseek i have never looked back.
Not that i actually download music illegally though! :eek:
I went from napster, to audiogalaxy, to kazaa, all of which died only months after I started using them. I think maybe I'm cursed...or America is run by greedy corporate bastards. something like that.
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Originally posted by Samantha:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
no problem. :)
I was using WinMX but once I got Soulseek i have never looked back.
Not that i actually download music illegally though! :roll: (here we go again)
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Your main man Bowie has an interesting take.
http://www.studioforrecording.org/mt/archive/000033.html (http://www.studioforrecording.org/mt/archive/000033.html)
""I don't even know why I would want to be on a label in a
few years, because I don't think it's going to work by labels and by
distribution systems in the same way," he said. "The absolute
transformation of everything that we ever thought about music will
take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be able to stop
it. I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not going to
happen. I'm fully confident that copyright, for instance, will no
longer exist in 10 years, and authorship and intellectual property is
in for such a bashing."
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mankie can NEVER stay on topic.
ever
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Your main man Bowie has an interesting take.
http://www.studioforrecording.org/mt/archive/000033.html (http://www.studioforrecording.org/mt/archive/000033.html)
""I don't even know why I would want to be on a label in a
few years, because I don't think it's going to work by labels and by
distribution systems in the same way," he said. "The absolute
transformation of everything that we ever thought about music will
take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be able to stop
it. I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not going to
happen. I'm fully confident that copyright, for instance, will no
longer exist in 10 years, and authorship and intellectual property is
in for such a bashing."
Bowie already cashed out by securitizing his future royalties. What does he care if copyright exists anymore?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Or maybe the musicians would like to profit from their talents. :roll: (here we go again)
you mean the studios. I think I'll buy their t-shirts instead.
I'm not going to get into this argument though...I buy as much music as my tiny budget will allow, and do very little downloading. I only download a few songs from a new band to get a taste and decide what to buy, or to get unreleased recordings/live songs. I'm a huge fan of album art, which you can't download!
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Originally posted by Samantha:
I'm not going to get into this argument though...
Because you'll obviously lose?
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Yes you can. See the Que Estas Esuchando thread.
Originally posted by Samantha:
I'm a huge fan of album art, which you can't download!
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Ditto...I missed the whole "the list is up," "the list is down," but I found it really interesting. I just (1) don't have enough friends who love music as much as I, and (2) can't imagine such an organized approach. It's a cool idea. Wish my friends would do it [that, of course, would involve more than a couple of them listening to internet radio.]
Originally posted by Samantha:
I think it's a cool idea. I wish I had that kind of dedication and access to that much music. where do you get your mp3s? I'm attempting eDonkey, but the selection sucks, and it takes ages. although I'm getting a ton of Cure...I guess eDonkey users are 80's goth fans, explaining why I can't get any new bands.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
mankie can NEVER stay on topic.
ever
What?
BTW Did anyone see the draw for the 4th round of hte FA cup? Liversumbags got Newcastle.
;)
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EXACTLY. Kind of pisses me off, in fact.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Your main man Bowie has an interesting take.
Bowie already cashed out by securitizing his future royalties. What does he care if copyright exists anymore? [/b]
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Yes you can. See the Que Estas Esuchando thread.
Originally posted by Samantha:
I'm a huge fan of album art, which you can't download!
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I also spelled Escuchando wrong.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Samantha:
I'm not going to get into this argument though...
Because you'll obviously lose? [/b]
because I haven't chosen a side.
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Originally posted by Samantha:
I only download a few songs from a new band to get a taste and decide what to buy
most bands put some samples on their website
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Samantha:
I only download a few songs from a new band to get a taste and decide what to buy
most bands put some samples on their website [/b]
unfortunately because of shitty dial-up, downloading songs from a website is nearly impossible, and sometimes IS impossible.
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Originally posted by Samantha:
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Samantha:
I only download a few songs from a new band to get a taste and decide what to buy
most bands put some samples on their website [/b]
unfortunately because of shitty dial-up, downloading songs from a website is nearly impossible, and sometimes IS impossible. [/b]
Isn't the p2p speed just the same?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
mankie can NEVER stay on topic.
ever
What?
BTW Did anyone see the draw for the 4th round of hte FA cup? Liversumbags got Newcastle.
;) [/b]
http://www.shanemacgowan.com/lyrics/liverpool.shtml (http://www.shanemacgowan.com/lyrics/liverpool.shtml)
Read it and weep Mankie!
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Originally posted by PseudoScouseTwat:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
mankie can NEVER stay on topic.
ever
What?
BTW Did anyone see the draw for the 4th round of hte FA cup? Liversumbags got Newcastle.
;) [/b]
http://www.shanemacgowan.com/lyrics/liverpool.shtml (http://www.shanemacgowan.com/lyrics/liverpool.shtml)
Read it and weep Mankie! [/b]
Tears of joy if he's getting out of that shit-hole!
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Samantha:
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Samantha:
I only download a few songs from a new band to get a taste and decide what to buy
most bands put some samples on their website [/b]
unfortunately because of shitty dial-up, downloading songs from a website is nearly impossible, and sometimes IS impossible. [/b]
Isn't the p2p speed just the same? [/b]
I don't really care about the speed, but no, actually speed is much better on p2p, because you can download from more than one source at a time. the big thing with p2p is that it gets saved to my computer, download during more than one session online, and I can listen to it on the player of my choice, where as if I download from a site, if I get disconnected, as I ever so often am, all is lost
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Ditto...I missed the whole "the list is up," "the list is down," but I found it really interesting. I just (1) don't have enough friends who love music as much as I, and (2) can't imagine such an organized approach. It's a cool idea. Wish my friends would do it [that, of course, would involve more than a couple of them listening to internet radio.]
yeah, its very fun. its with people i met from trading bootlegs, and they keep up with it. It doesnt take too much time, and the time it takes is just finding new music, which is hardly a hardship! even though only about 40 of my personal top 100 of the year made it on the "official" top 100, its still cool to see which songs go where.
I'll post the link to the whole top 430 when i get it up, so i dont clog this board ;)
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Originally posted by Samantha:
I don't really care about the speed, but no, actually speed is much better on p2p, because you can download from more than one source at a time. the big thing with p2p is that it gets saved to my computer, download during more than one session online, and I can listen to it on the player of my choice, where as if I download from a site, if I get disconnected, as I ever so often am, all is lost
dont lie samantha, you love to download cause you get the whole song and you can keep it!!!! yay!!! free music. :cool:
my only thing is, if i couldnt download music, then would i buy more? nope. cause i just dont have enough money. its a predicament isnt it?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
my only thing is, if i couldnt download music, then would i buy more? nope. cause i just dont have enough money.
Congratulations! You win the faulty logic of the day award.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
my only thing is, if i couldnt download music, then would i buy more? nope. cause i just dont have enough money.
Congratulations! You win the faulty logic of the day award. [/b]
no no not justifying why i download music. I am just saying that its a predicament. I hear much more music than i would otherwise.
I am sure some bands would rather someone not hear thier music at all if they arent going to buy it. but i bet some bands would take the exposure in turn for some concert sales/support/buzz or something.
dont you think.
plus, you cant stop me from downloading music, so therefore, i wont really try to justify it to you ;)
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You don't have to download to an MP3 it to hear it.
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Originally posted by mankie:
You don't have to download to an MP3 it to hear it.
its much easier. Imagine going to every bands website and trying to hear 30 second samples. Some bands give you mp3s. some dont.
its ok mankie. you dont have to download anything, we wont make you.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
its ok mankie. you dont have to download anything, we wont make you. [/b]
Thank you, because I don't know how to anyway. ;)
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innocence is bliss
;)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I am sure some bands would rather someone not hear thier music at all if they arent going to buy it. but i bet some bands would take the exposure in turn for some concert sales/support/buzz or something.
dont you think.
Absolutely. That's why so many bands put mp3s on their sites.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
plus, you cant stop me from downloading music, so therefore, i wont really try to justify it to you ;)
ding, Ding, DING.
Since your chance of getting caught is so low, there's really nothing wrong with it. Right?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Since your chance of getting caught is so low, there's really nothing wrong with it. Right? [/b]
now THATS stupid logic! way to go, i knew you could outdo me :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
now THATS stupid logic! way to go, i knew you could outdo me :)
"a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply" (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetorical)
I was summarizing the logic behind your statement that you don't need to justify it since you can't be stopped. Obviously it worked, as you were readily able to identify the "stupid logic" in such an argument.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
now THATS stupid logic! way to go, i knew you could outdo me :)
"a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply" (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetorical)
I was summarizing the logic behind your statement that you don't need to justify it since you can't be stopped. Obviously it worked, as you were readily able to identify the "stupid logic" in such an argument. [/b]
no what you were doing, my good friend, is putting words into my mouth.
when i say "i dont need to justify it to you" it doesnt mean "i dont think it is wrong"
Justification in this case means: the reason that i dont feel bad about doing it
then you misquote me.
I sensed your rhetorical question last time, but chose to ignore it just as you choose to ignore the real meanings of my posts :)
see? or should i provide a link?
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but album art comes on cool paper!!!!
and its funner when you get them signed.
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Excellent list of songs. The only glaring omission that I definitely would have added would be Keane's "This is the Last Time", which I thought was the best single of 2003. That band is definitely one to watch (I think their debut is coming out this spring in the U.K.)...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
no what you were doing, my good friend, is putting words into my mouth.
when i say "i dont need to justify it to you" it doesnt mean "i dont think it is wrong"
So you are admitting you're wrong to steal music?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
no what you were doing, my good friend, is putting words into my mouth.
when i say "i dont need to justify it to you" it doesnt mean "i dont think it is wrong"
So you are admitting you're wrong to steal music? [/b]
wrong because its illegal, yes.
But I sold pot in high school, i drive 75 on the beltway, and i am actually breaking company policy by being on this messageboard at work. as are many people here perhaps.
i guess it just depends which laws people can morally accept to break.
what we are arguing is a question of morals (since we can all agree that its illegal), which isnt really a thing to prove right or wrong.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
what we are arguing is a question of morals (since we can all agree that its illegal), which isnt really a thing to prove right or wrong.
Are you saying there are no moral "wrongs?"
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Are you saying there are no moral "wrongs?"
only seeing a Roman Polanski film
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Are you saying there are no moral "wrongs?"
only seeing a Roman Polanski film [/b]
You have learnt well, Grasshopper.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Are you saying there are no moral "wrongs?"
this is a pretty boring conversation with you just asking random questions.
but, i will humour this once more.
I am suggesting that morals are not right or wrong. different people have different morals. and some of them are popular enough for us to say that they are "morally right" . But that is a generalization and not specific to everyone.
so a moral wrong? no. not by definition. but society does make them.
we could do this all day couldnt we? but i am bored with you kind of.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
this is a pretty boring conversation with you just asking random questions.
but, i will humour this once more.
I am suggesting that morals are not right or wrong. different people have different morals. and some of them are popular enough for us to say that they are "morally right" . But that is a generalization and not specific to everyone.
so a moral wrong? no. not by definition. but society does make them.
we could do this all day couldnt we? but i am bored with you kind of.
Well advocating that there are no moral wrongs is a clever solution. Of course, it's completely indefensible since, if you universalized that position, it would just mean pure chaos. I mean, killing, raping, etc... could all just be seen as societally mandated morals, not "wrong" by definition under your construct. Therefore, each person would be right to do whatever one wanted.
But since you're bored with the questions, I'll just state what is pretty obvious to even a small child -- taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong (we could call it "bad" if you prefer).
There are plenty of legitimate arguments for why the music industry/record labels suck, and there are plenty of strong, legitimate arguments about why artists and labels should offer downloads of their music (and many do), but none of those arguments have any real bearing on the fact that stealing somebody elses property is wrong.
I just get a kick out of hearing the tangled logic people use to justify or excuse the practice.
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if you just like to put everything in a neat little "right/wrong" package as taught to you in school or something. Thats fine. I am wrong.
But i dont feel bad about it, i dont feel like a bad person. and i am not going to stop doing it.
and i find your logic just as stupid as mine ever was or will be. pretty simple as that. see, we're both still happy and nothing's changed. except we've both wasted our time and others. :) I think I'll go steal some music and rape some children now !
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
(we could call it "bad" if you prefer).
[/b]
"wrong" and "bad" are not really interchangeable, btw.
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and just so you know. When someone buys a CD and then sells it to Record and Tape traders, Soundgarden, DCCD etc. Said store is paying to buy the CD back and then when YOU buy it from them, they do not give any money to the label. So, although, you are paying money for the CD, you are not buying it from the person who owns it. But if it makes you feel better cause you paid for it or because someone did once, or because you bought it from a store, then fine.
like i said before, whatever helps you sleep at night. but its no different.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and just so you know. When someone buys a CD and then sells it to Record and Tape traders, Soundgarden, DCCD etc. Said store is paying to buy the CD back and then when YOU buy it from them, they do not give any money to the label. So, although, you are paying money for the CD, you are not buying it from the person who owns it. But if it makes you feel better cause you paid for it or because someone did once, or because you bought it from a store, then fine.
like i said before, whatever helps you sleep at night. but its no different.
So, you're saying two wrongs make a right? Since the property owner doesn't get paid a second time when his used CD is sold again, then it's okay that he doesn't get paid at all when you download?
LOL
I liked your earlier excuse better:
my only thing is, if i couldnt download music, then would i buy more? nope. cause i just dont have enough money.
Why don't you extend that logic to everything?
If I couldn't steal jewelry, then would I buy more? Nope, because I just don't have enough money.
If I couldn't steal computers, then would I buy more? Nope, because I just don't have enough money.
Could we insert anything into that statement? Or is it only music that it is okay to steal when we have exhausted our means for paying for it?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So, you're saying two wrongs make a right? Since the property owner doesn't get paid a second time when his used CD is sold again, then it's okay that he doesn't get paid at all when you download?
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.
and i will extend that logic to everything. I rent DVDs and copy them too. and i stole 5 cars when i was in Canada, too. it pays good money you know.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Or is it only music that it is okay to steal when we have exhausted our means for paying for it? [/b]
well, the truth is, music, you can steal from your computer. you dont have to go to a store to do it.
When you can download jewelry, people will start stealing that more often too.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.
and i will extend that logic to everything. I rent DVDs and copy them too. and i stole 5 cars when i was in Canada, too. it pays good money you know.
obviously you think buying a used car is the same thing as stealing a car
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ggw, i would love to further this conversation, but i am leaving on a long weekend to Toronto, so i must bid you farewell.
the point is. if you dont want to download music, then dont. I dont really do it anymore either, to be honest, (not P2P anyway). Its not going to kill music, music will just adapt and you can keep buying your used CDs and supporting the scene the way you feel comfortable and so will everyone else. :)
- have a good weekend, cause where i am going it's going to be 10 degrees and snowing!!!!
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.
Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.
I guess buying a used car is the equivalent of stealing a car?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I guess buying a used car is the equivalent of stealing a car? [/b]
Cars only last a certain number of years. CDs last forever. If you buy a car that has 100,000 miles on it, then you arent getting anywhere NEAR the same car as you would buying it new.
c'mon GGW you KNOW thats a stupid comparison!
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Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made? Hmmmm.....that's a head scratcher. How is it different for me to burn a copy of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs for a friend, then for that friend to buy it at CD Exchange?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So, you're saying two wrongs make a right?
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.
and i will extend that logic to everything. I rent DVDs and copy them too. and i stole 5 cars when i was in Canada, too. it pays good money you know. [/b]
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.
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well then, if someone buys an album, and then uploads it onto thier computer and then shares it, its ok for me to download? cause as long as someone bought it, the copyright was paid for.
i am making a valid point here.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
ggw, i would love to further this conversation, but i am leaving on a long weekend to Toronto, so i must bid you farewell.
Try not to steal any Molson, hoser.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.
Buying used CDs is certainly not stealing. Assuming the CD was originally paid for by someone, the label, artist, etc. have all been fully paid for the sale of that CD. Just because it changes hands later doesn't entitle anyone to get paid again for it. That's like saying everytime someone sells a used car they're stealing from the car manufacturer.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made?
no maam, i work at one of these stores, and we dont even inventory used CDs. so we have no idea which ones we are selling.
the only way i can think of it being legal or "ok" is that the stores selling these used CDs are also selling new merchandise from these labels. so while we are profiting from sales of Used Cds, we are bringing in customers to perhaps buy a new disc if we dont have a used copy.
other than that, we're just selling stuff we didnt pay for the rights to sell.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.
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well then, if someone buys an album, and then uploads it onto thier computer and then shares it, its ok for me to download? cause as long as someone bought it, the copyright was paid for.
i am making a valid point here. [/b]
You are just deluding yourself that your point is valid.
If I buy an album and upload it to my computer, I am reproducing and distributing the copyrighted work of others. If I sell a used CD to a store, I am not reproducing anything.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Try not to steal any Molson, hoser.
take off! ;)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I am not reproducing anything.
but you are distributing and not only that you are selling the work of others. which is worse, cause at least downloading is not done for money.
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Yes, but I originally bought the CD I burned for a friend, so the copyright was paid for. I didn't sell it to anyone or make mass quantities.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.
Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.
I guess buying a used car is the equivalent of stealing a car? [/b]
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made? Hmmmm.....that's a head scratcher. How is it different for me to burn a copy of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs for a friend, then for that friend to buy it at CD Exchange?
Because I assume someone originally paid for the copy that ended up at CD Exchange. The Yeah Yeah Yeah's have already been paid for the sale of that disc. When you burn a copy for your friend nobody gets paid. Two people now have a copy of the disc, even though only one copy was paid for.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I am not reproducing anything.
but you are distributing and not only that you are selling the work of others. which is worse, cause at least downloading is not done for money. [/b]
But you are distributing a single, original item. One for which compensation was paid. If you are distributing on a p2p, you are creating multiple items, none of which were compensated.
Just because technology makes it possible to do this free and easy doesn't change the underlying notions. Imagine you could reproduce your car as many times as you wanted at virtually no cost. Would distributing all these cars be the same as selling the one original?
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Yes, but I originally bought the CD I burned for a friend, so the copyright was paid for. I didn't sell it to anyone or make mass quantities.
I'm not sure if burning and giving it to a friend is technically legal or not. But I don't think anyone cares because it's not like a p2p, where there are several million people making copies at any given point in time. So it's a matter of scale.
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But that's exactly the same if I buy the YYYs, sell it to Game Exchange, and same said friend buys the used copy. The artists et al. get paid once, regardless of how many times the cd sells at used places.
-Edit- sorry, I wrote this before but posted after your last post.
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by Bagster:
Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made? Hmmmm.....that's a head scratcher. How is it different for me to burn a copy of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs for a friend, then for that friend to buy it at CD Exchange?
Because I assume someone originally paid for the copy that ended up at CD Exchange. The Yeah Yeah Yeah's have already been paid for the sale of that disc. When you burn a copy for your friend nobody gets paid. Two people now have a copy of the disc, even though only one copy was paid for. [/b]
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most of those songs were either never released as a single, and/or never recieved radio airplay...the list seems to be more of yer alls favorite songs of the last year. is that what it is?
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Originally posted by jakez468:
most of those songs were either never released as a single, and/or never recieved radio airplay...the list seems to be more of yer alls favorite songs of the last year. is that what it is?
What do you mean never released as a single? They most certainly got radio airplay on the radio. Not necessarily around here, but all of those songs (well, 95%) were on the radio in other locations besides Baltimore/DC. I for one, listen to WOXY sometimes, and have heard most of the songs on there, as well as other stations.
go to www.fmqb.com (http://www.fmqb.com) and also check out some other radio stations websites, and you will find that there are TONS of songs played on other stations, not played on HFS or DC101.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i am making a valid point here.
thanks for pointing that out...ha ha
re-selling a used CD is selling an OBJECT the other scenarios you're talking about are dealing with the CONTENT...
I copy CDs sometimes...but I won't pretend it's not shady...
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read the liner notes in the latest BRMC album. they have updated their copyright notice for the modern age. not sure if other bands are following suit. or if it is a band or management decision.
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Originally posted by muke:
read the liner notes in the latest BRMC album. they have updated their copyright notice for the modern age. not sure if other bands are following suit. or if it is a band or management decision.
The Dandy Warhols had the same message. It's the kinder, gentler piracy warning label.
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what is it? i dont have the liner notes cause I PIRATED THE CD!!!!
just kidding, i just dont like BRMC.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
what is it? i dont have the liner notes cause I PIRATED THE CD!!!!
just kidding, i just dont like BRMC.
"Thank you for buying this music and for supporting the artists, songwriters, musicians and others who've made it possible. Please remember that this recording and artwork are protected by copyright law. Since you don't own the copyright, it's not yours to distribute. Please don't use Internet services that promote the illegal distribution of copyrighted music, give away illegal copies of discs or lend discs to others for copying. It's hurting the artists who created the music. It has the same effect as stealing a disc from a store without paying for it."