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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: James Ford on June 07, 2010, 02:39:52 pm
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731 comments and counting on the WashPo site. None here. Let's get it rolling!
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"Fuckin magnets, how do they work?"
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731 comments and counting on the WashPo site. None here. Let's get it rolling!
and if it's like the typical fare from WashPo commenters, 730 of them read like they were written by a developmentally challenged 8 year old who just learned some naughty words. In other words, not worth much.
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Its a lesson for the kids. If you're an antisemetic bitch . . .you might turn into a troll
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antisemetic bitch
Her words are pretty extreme, and it's weird to me that she said that stuff with a video camera rolling, which I am assuming wasn't hidden. As a veteran White House correspondent she had to know very well the danger of even a single ill-chosen word.
So why did a person with many years of professional experience in front of cameras go off like that? The only thing I can surmise is that either she was drunk, or the people filming this said some things to get her really pissed off before the video clip begins, or both. I think they were probably looking to get her -- why else ask her that question with a camera in her face? But she reacted beyond their wildest dreams.
She should never have said that stuff and it's certainly appropriate that she lose her job -- she can't possibly be seen as an objective correspondent now.
I don't know whether Helen Thomas is anti-Semitic or not but, I think it's also worth noting that you can be anti-Israel, and not be anti-Semitic. That is a fact lost on many people.
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Done. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/07/AR2010060701493.html?hpid=topnews)
What Doom said.
The "antisemitic" term is often thrown around a little too flippantly, IMO.
Mel Gibson? Absolutely. Helen Thomas? I don't think it's fair to say so just after watching that video.
And yes, she walked right into a blogger's trap.
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antisemetic bitch
The only thing I can surmise is that either she was drunk, or
old..? not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)
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Suggesting that jews leave the country they fought for and built and returning to the countries where millions of jews were systematically tortured and murdered strikes me as unconditionally antisemetic and f*ck her
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http://www.couplescompany.com/features/poLitics/2003/Antisemetism.htm
Anti-semitic is actually against everyone of that region by the official definition, not just Jews
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the media is controlled . . . by the media.
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That is kind of a narrow interpretation of what she said. She could have meant the occupied territories, as opposed to Israel proper, for instance. Not saying she did but that video does not prove that she didn't.
Suggesting that jews leave the country they fought for and built and returning to the countries where millions of jews were systematically tortured and murdered strikes me as unconditionally antisemetic and f*ck her
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I wonder what the reaction would have been if she said the palestinians should go live in Arab countries.
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^There would have been none. People say that on the 24-hour news networks and talk radio all the time.
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^There would have been none. People say that on the 24-hour news networks and talk radio all the time.
So then she shouldn't have been fired.
Really we should stop giving aide to Israel. They are not are friends. A lot of hatred we get around the world is from supporting of them. They can't just keep 1.5 million people imprisoned in Gaze because of their race. Either they want to work on a peace agreement or they have to take care of the people they are occupying.
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The fact that we give two of the most well off countries in the world $3 billion and $2 billion (Israel and Egypt, respectively) a year while we are drowning in debt is kind of a headscratcher.
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those were some pretty stupid comments on her part, she should have known better. having jews leave israel isn't a solution for the current middle east quagmire.
I think it's also worth noting that you can be anti-Israel, and not be anti-Semitic. That is a fact lost on many people.
here here.
slight variation: artists that boycott israel are cultural terrorist (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/more-musicians-cancel-performances-in-israel/) (a few interesting comments on this article, sprinkled between the usual name-calling).
Suggesting that jews leave the country they fought for and built and returning to the countries where millions of jews were systematically tortured and murdered strikes me as unconditionally antisemetic
ok, fine, as long as you accept that anyone who says "jews have the right to stay in israel" is automatically anti-arab. it's equally silly, IMO.
this thread has the potential to go downhill fast. it's why i resisted replying at first.
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More childish bickering here. (http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2010/06/pixies_cancel_i.html#comments)
I think we can all agree on one of those comments, though:
Kim Deal > Benjamin Netanyahu
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Didn't she say "Jews leave Palistine". I don't know if she was meaning what was Palistine or what is.
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Blogger guy: "What do you think of Israel?"
Thomas: "I think they need to get the hell out of Palestine."
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Blogger guy: "What do you think of America?"
Mobius as Helen Thomas: "I think they need to get the hell out of Manhattan!"
Ok, I'm done
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So Israel is opening some of their restrictions on goods the palestinians are allowed to have now they can get:
soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy.
Really how can anyone think Israel isn't in the wrong in this situation?
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By restricting most of those items, they were doing the Palestinians a favor.
And it's not like they use shaving cream anyway.
So Israel is opening some of their restrictions on goods the palestinians are allowed to have now they can get:
soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy.
Really how can anyone think Israel isn't in the wrong in this situation?
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what about spices?
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That's why I said most.
Though of course I was being facetious anyway.
what about spices?
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The palestinians need a martin luther king to lead them peacefully and rationally. The character of their leadership is predicated on deception and a murderous desire. Why should it not be assumed that this is the true vharacter of palestinians? How many 9/11s has israel been subject to? I believe if change comes within the palestinians apparoach their lot will change. Israel makes mistakes but they act in self-defense. How did you feel after 9/11?
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i didnt want to take away spices, thats for sure
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Sometimes, when my grandpa says disparaging things about "Japs" and "Krauts", I let it slide beecause I never had millions of them tyring to kill me, so I'm just not sure how quickly I could forgive and forget that stuff.
Maybe Israel tried to kill Helen Thomas at some point in her life?
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The character of their leadership is predicated on deception and a murderous desire.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jpVm59Q7Xb0/SIJj2S0xtuI/AAAAAAAACwU/_lOfU0ZTauE/s320/A+Bush+Jerk+george_bush.jpg)
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"But seriously folks, we're gonna find those WMDs and when we do, I'm going mountain biking."
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The palestinians need a martin luther king to lead them peacefully and rationally. The character of their leadership is predicated on deception and a murderous desire. Why should it not be assumed that this is the true vharacter of palestinians? How many 9/11s has israel been subject to? I believe if change comes within the palestinians apparoach their lot will change. Israel makes mistakes but they act in self-defense. How did you feel after 9/11?
Israel became a country by doing 9/11 type activities. Why do you think the British left?
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The palestinians need a martin luther king to lead them peacefully and rationally.
agreed. israelis could use one too (re: the radicals and right-wing sabre-rattlers who control the knesset).
The character of their leadership is predicated on deception and a murderous desire. Why should it not be assumed that this is the true vharacter of palestinians?
only as much as incessant claims of victimhood is the true character of israelis? i.e., it's not. stop spreading hate.
How many 9/11s has israel been subject to?
i'm not sure, haven't counted, but i suspect it's in the same league as the number that the palestinians have suffered at the hands of the IDF (and the occasional armed settler).
both sides have been treating each other like shit, and both blame each other. quit claiming the moral high-ground - there is none in this mess.
Israel became a country by doing 9/11 type activities. Why do you think the British left?
unfortunately, the time horizon for people in this conflict doesn't reach back that far.
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both sides are clearly at fault here, but one side has tanks and the other doesnt even have cookies
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The palestinians need a martin luther king to lead them peacefully and rationally.
agreed. israelis could use one too (re: the radicals and right-wing sabre-rattlers who control the knesset).
The character of their leadership is predicated on deception and a murderous desire. Why should it not be assumed that this is the true vharacter of palestinians?
only as much as incessant claims of victimhood is the true character of israelis? i.e., it's not. stop spreading hate.
How many 9/11s has israel been subject to?
i'm not sure, haven't counted, but i suspect it's in the same league as the number that the palestinians have suffered at the hands of the IDF (and the occasional armed settler).
both sides have been treating each other like shit, and both blame each other. quit claiming the moral high-ground - there is none in this mess.
Israel became a country by doing 9/11 type activities. Why do you think the British left?
unfortunately, the time horizon for people in this conflict doesn't reach back that far.
All of this.