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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Bags on March 11, 2004, 04:04:00 pm
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Deserves its own thread I think.
No copies at Borders Metro Center (but they think they haven't unpacked 'em yet).
I thought the metacritic reader reviews at the bottom were funny, in the midst of:
9.1 from Pitchfork, "Like all lasting records, Franz Ferdinand steps up to the plate and boldly bangs on the door to stardom. There's no consideration for what trends have just come and gone. There's no waffling or concessions for people who won't get it."
9 from NME, "It marks the dawning of an era of British music that isnâ??t just for the casual petrol shop consumer, but stuff so important that you can give yourself to it completely. This is the album thatâ??s going kick open the door for all the great British bands thatâ??ll sweep through in their wake."
9 from Playlouder, "they have indeed made The Album That Saved Indie."
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Tim B. gave it a 0:
Why is it that all these no name bands get great reviews. All these indie/art rock bands are nothing and will never be remembered for anything.
Pet E gave it a 0:
WOW! It's the post-grunge recreation of the Talking Heads. Let me go kill David Byrne so he can roll in his grave.
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Well, I know the reviewer working on it for BigYawn.net (http://www.bigyawn.net), and she likes it a lot. I doubt it will be a 9...well at least I hope not. I've heard it a few times, and some of the songs are really catchy, but others are your garden variety garage rock.
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DJ Strange found their CD today at the Olsson's downtown (418 7th Street, N.W.). Sale price was $11.99. Apparently there are 2 or so copies left in their shop now.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Pitchdork is populated by a bunch of idiots. They think all alt-country sucks, yet they give any run of the mill shit indie rock album a 6.5. How are they going to have any credibility doing shit like that?
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Maybe Pitchfork does suck, and maybe these aren't alt country but they gave yankee hotel foxtrot a 10, a lucinda williams album a 9.2, and the most recent neko case album a 7.9. Exceptions that prove the rule?
Anyway. There are a couple of tracks in the middle of the franz ferdinand album that wouldn't be out of place in any run of the mill garage rock post punk etc revival album, but there are also a lot of fantastic tunes on there. and michael would make even a homophobe "get down". i can't believe i wrote that. oh well.
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Pitchdork is populated by a bunch of idiots. They think all alt-country sucks,
Or maybe, just maybe, pitchfork is onto something.
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Rhett, I noticed an alt.country music mag at Borders called "No Depression." It looked cool because under the title it noted, "a bimonthly magazine covering alternative-country music (whatever that is)." There's a website, (http://www.nodepression.net) though they note there it's primarily a paper magazine. HEY, maybe you could work with them to start a no depression bulletin board!
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Thanks.
They have been around since 1995 in paper form. The magazine actually started as an extension of a no depression chat group (on aol or yahoo or something like that), and got it's name from an Unclue Tupelo album, which had taken the name from a Carter Family song.
Their reviews are actually pretty boring. Almost always positive. Not critical enough. Except for Ryan Adams. They hate Ryan Adams. As well they should.
Originally posted by Bags:
Rhett, I noticed an alt.country music mag at Borders called "No Depression." It looked cool because under the title it noted, "a bimonthly magazine covering alternative-country music (whatever that is)." There's a website, (http://www.nodepression.net) though they note there it's primarily a paper magazine. HEY, maybe you could work with them to start a no depression bulletin board!
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Originally posted by Bags:
Rhett, I noticed an alt.country music mag at Borders called "No Depression." It looked cool because under the title it noted, "a bimonthly magazine covering alternative-country music (whatever that is)." There's a website, (http://www.nodepression.net) though they note there it's primarily a paper magazine. HEY, maybe you could work with them to start a no depression bulletin board!
Bags you probably think of this as a good thing, but you just proved how little you know about alt country. ;)
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Originally posted by pollard:
Bags you probably think of this as a good thing, but you just proved how little you know about alt country. ;)
1) I don't mind in the least if everyone thinks/knows/swears I know nothing of alt.country.
2) How so? Does everyone know this mag? I peruse music mag racks quite often, and I've never seen it before.
3) Wouldn't moderating a separate alt.country bboard keep balls awfully busy?
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Pitchdork is populated by a bunch of idiots. They think all alt-country sucks, yet they give any run of the mill shit indie rock album a 6.5. How are they going to have any credibility doing shit like that?
YHF = 10.0 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/wilco/yankee-hotel-foxtrot.shtml)
Summer Teeth = 9.4 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/wilco/summer-teeth.shtml)
Decoration Day = 8.0 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/d/drive-by-truckers/decoration-day.shtml)
Sebastapol = 7.7 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/farrar_jay/sebastapol.shtml)
Hell Among the Yearlings = 8.7 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/welch_gillian/hell-among-the-yearlings.shtml) Her other albums were 8.6, 8.1, 7.7.
Car Wheels on a Gravel Road = 9.2 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/williams_lucinda/car-wheels-on-a-gravel-road.shtml)
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Their reviews are actually pretty boring. Almost always positive. Not critical enough. Except for Ryan Adams. They hate Ryan Adams. As well they should.
they love Alejandro Escovedo though - I think they named him artist of the decade a few years ago
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I was referring more to this idiot's review, as well as his general condecension toward alt-country. I've read simliar condescension in other reviews:
This is why alt-country sucks.
Willard Grant Conspiracy
Regard the End
[Kimchee; 2004]
Rating: 3.9
Have you ever wondered whether alt-country is representing its electorate? All these sorry tales of murder, blood-spilt love and the dead cow skulls scattered by gravel roads have become so synonymous with the music of the Midwest and the songs of the South, that it becomes easy to lose perspective. Are the likes of Houston and Omaha really the barren, backwards dustbowl towns you hear of in songs? Are there no people who wear suits, drive foreign cars, sip lattés and read the New York Times while making snide remarks about Bush? Yes, of course there are. So why doesn't the music ever reflect that?
The Willard Grant Conspiracy is another clichéd country band, another bunch of blues-ridden, fire-and-brimstone missionaries whose opaque, gothic hymnals add to the myth of Americana. They've never been great, even back to 1998's sort-of well regarded Flying Low, a record that, in retrospect, seems virtually identical to all their others. Now on their fifth record, the band has shown no signs of growth, and the fact that their core partnership of frontman Robert Foster and guitarist Paul Austin is augmented by an alumni of assorted waifs, strays and passers-by (including Kristin Hersh, and members of Lambchop and The Walkabouts) does nothing to alleviate the sameness of what is essentially another set of safe, formulaic ballads for the No Depression set.
By all measures, Regard the End is a conventionally "beautiful" record. Robert Fisher's bass-tinged voice can stretch from meek and tender to intense and bellowing, with an aged wisdom that adds grace and gravity to tracks like the near-Celtic lament "Beyond the Shore". They've also got the knack for "tasteful" arrangements. On the pompously titled "Ghost of the Girl in the Well", guitars strum and shimmer in line with Foster's voice while a bored rhythm section reminds the band to stay awake. Strings sway, shiver, and flail helplessly, reaching for a heartstring to grab.
Yet, for the most part, The Willard Grant Conspiracy are grabbing at thin air. On tracks like "Rosalee", you're stunned by the utterly formulaic approach to some of the songwriting. As an acoustic guitar sparks up its folksy strum, Foster dictates a tale of a girl that refuses to speak with all the melodic distinctiveness of a Dave Matthews tune, before a violin takes its cue, embellishing the song with some unnecessary attention-seeking. This cycle repeats itself for 3½ minutes before stumbling to a failed, idea-drained finish.
And then there's the suffering-- lots of it, all over the album-- not all of which belongs to the bored-to-tears listener. On closing track "The Suffering Song", Foster moans about how "mother's got a few days left/ She thinks it's time we all learnt to pray." And as the song climbs to its climax, with the rousing chorus of "suffering's going to come to everyone someday," you certainly get the sense that, well, he might be suffering a bit.
But suffering from what? What infuriates most about this record is not its rigid predictability, its absence of invention or its reliance on tired-out alt-country clichés; it's the fact that throughout Regard the End, the songs rely on only the vaguest utterances of emotion, amounting to little more than a bad landscape painting-- all grand brushstrokes, no substance or detail. It seems that the band is fully competent of evoking a mood, but incapable of articulating why.
Rarely has a genre sounded so tried and tired, so forced, formulaic and reliant on its own mythology as country music is made to sound on Regard the End. Though its application and musicianship is admirable, its lack of lyrical argument or narrative leave us with a canon of paceless funereal laments that conjure endless feelings of enforced sadness without explanation. In a field full of fellow lovesick souls, these are failings we simply shouldn't have to accept.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Pitchdork is populated by a bunch of idiots. They think all alt-country sucks, yet they give any run of the mill shit indie rock album a 6.5. How are they going to have any credibility doing shit like that?
YHF = 10.0 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/wilco/yankee-hotel-foxtrot.shtml)
Summer Teeth = 9.4 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/wilco/summer-teeth.shtml)
Decoration Day = 8.0 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/d/drive-by-truckers/decoration-day.shtml)
Sebastapol = 7.7 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/farrar_jay/sebastapol.shtml)
Hell Among the Yearlings = 8.7 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/welch_gillian/hell-among-the-yearlings.shtml) Her other albums were 8.6, 8.1, 7.7.
Car Wheels on a Gravel Road = 9.2 (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/williams_lucinda/car-wheels-on-a-gravel-road.shtml) [/b]
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
I was referring more to this idiot's review, as well as his general condecension toward alt-country. I've read simliar condescension in other reviews.
Condescension is the new Irony.
You're just pissed that this pretty-boy (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/m/miller_rhett/instigator.shtml) couldn't muster anything above 6.7
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Originally posted by brennser:
Their reviews are actually pretty boring. Almost always positive. Not critical enough. Except for Ryan Adams. They hate Ryan Adams. As well they should.
they love Alejandro Escovedo though - I think they named him artist of the decade a few years ago [/b]
Is he *puts both hands up with two fingers wagging* alt country? *puts them down again*?
I've heard quite a few of his songs on xm and liked them all. Ryan Adams is utter bobbins though.
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Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Pitchdork is populated by a bunch of idiots. They think all alt-country sucks, yet they give any run of the mill shit indie rock album a 6.5. How are they going to have any credibility doing shit like that?
6.0-6.9: Has its moments, but isn't strong
A score of 6.X is hardly much of a recomendation.
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I was referring more to this idiot's review, as well as his general condecension toward alt-country.
so you're making a sweeping generalization based on a sample size of 1....and you call yourself a statistician....
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Venerable Balls:
Pitchdork is populated by a bunch of idiots. They think all alt-country sucks, yet they give any run of the mill shit indie rock album a 6.5. How are they going to have any credibility doing shit like that?
6.0-6.9: Has its moments, but isn't strong
A score of 6.X is hardly much of a recomendation. [/b]
Unless of course it's from the French judge, at which point the Canucks will start belly-aching about it.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Condescension is the new Irony.
ha ha
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I really like that Willard Grant Conspiracy disk that he shat upon.
"Being There," Wilco's last "alt-country" album only got a 6.8. I still think this is Wilco's best album.
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Well I guess Franz Ferdinand is the new it band, MTV just had a news feature dedicated to them. They said the band will be doing a full us tour starting in June.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Well I guess Franz Ferdinand is the new it band, MTV just had a news feature dedicated to them. They said the band will be doing a full us tour starting in June.
They signed with Epic this week. $2.7 million.
http://www.nme.com/news/107785.htm (http://www.nme.com/news/107785.htm)
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And they're apparently featured in Time this week:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040315-598513,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040315-598513,00.html)
Damnit, I knew I should have jumped off the bandwagon last week. At least none of y'all know me.
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Well, I just returned from the Dupont Olsson's...apparently, they neglected to put a CD on hold for me. :mad:
There was one CD on hold for another person and they had the "Darts of Pleasure" EP. After listening to the helpdesk staffer apologize, she put me down for a copy to be transferred from another store...so it may be in tomorrow.
I just did a "reserve a copy" for Borders. If they have a copy in stock, I'm getting it there and someone can PM me for my last name to up the Olsson's copy.
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Hypesluts, the all of ya...
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Well, I just returned from the Dupont Olsson's...apparently, they neglected to put a CD on hold for me. :mad:
You mean they sold 7 copies just this morning?!?!
[Isn't that the store that was getting 8 copies in today?]
Holy crap; they're not playing here any time soon, so I'm in no rush, but this is crazy....
Which Borders?
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls.
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Hey, I went to the in-store and bought her cd based on seeing an ad for her in-store in the City Paper, as well as a tip from someone on the Fulks Board.
If I had known she was getting hype, I probably would have been contrary and avoided her ass.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls. [/b]
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls. [/b]
Nellie McWeirdo... (just my opinion, the write ups on her are inexplicably positive...)
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She's an excellent piano player, is clever with her wordplay, has a finger on the pulse of poular culture, a good jazzy singing voice, has cool, diverse influences, and according to Groudskeeper Willie, is totally fuckable. Plus, she's a bit sarcastic and snide. What's not to like?
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls. [/b]
Nellie McWeirdo... (just my opinion, the write ups on her are inexplicably positive...) [/b]
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And I made a post about Franz Ferdinand like three months ago after hearing them on WOXY. Markie, Kurosawa, Skonster and Jaguar all had the EP and thought highly of it.
So I imagine all those on this board can say that they bought the CD after hearing the band on WOXY and KEXP and after getting a tip from someone on the 9:30 board.
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hey, I went to the in-store and bought her cd based on seeing an ad for her in-store in the City Paper, as well as a tip from someone on the Fulks Board.
If I had known she was getting hype, I probably would have been contrary and avoided her ass.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls. [/b]
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I tried the Borders on L Street and the one near Pentagon City, since they had the CD listed as "in-stock" on their website. Unfortunately, neither store has a copy on hand now. So, I'm back to waiting on Olsson's.
Just checked Best Buy's site (I know, I know) and the stores in Tenleytown, Pentagon City and Potomac Yard are listed as having the album on hand.
Originally posted by Bags:
You mean they sold 7 copies just this morning?!?!
[Isn't that the store that was getting 8 copies in today?]
Holy crap; they're not playing here any time soon, so I'm in no rush, but this is crazy....
Which Borders?
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Her mannerisms are really odd to me -- I mean like medical condition odd. And her voice inflections are not pleasant at all. She sounds like she's falling off a very high wall or having a confusion breakdown or lost in a very complex and intimidating forest and trying to communicate with the animals.
I saw her sing two songs, and it was unpleasant, entirely.
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
She's an excellent piano player, is clever with her wordplay, has a finger on the pulse of poular culture, a good jazzy singing voice, has cool, diverse influences, and according to Groudskeeper Willie, is totally fuckable. Plus, she's a bit sarcastic and snide. What's not to like?
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls. [/b]
Nellie McWeirdo... (just my opinion, the write ups on her are inexplicably positive...) [/b]
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Sounds like you were at a Tori Amos performance.
I did find that I liked her in-store appearance much better when I wasn't watching.
Originally posted by Bags:
Her mannerisms are really odd to me -- I mean like medical condition odd. And her voice inflections are not pleasant at all. She sounds like she's falling off a very high wall or having a confusion breakdown or lost in a very complex and intimidating forest and trying to communicate with the animals.
I saw her sing two songs, and it was unpleasant, entirely.
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
She's an excellent piano player, is clever with her wordplay, has a finger on the pulse of poular culture, a good jazzy singing voice, has cool, diverse influences, and according to Groudskeeper Willie, is totally fuckable. Plus, she's a bit sarcastic and snide. What's not to like?
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls. [/b]
Nellie McWeirdo... (just my opinion, the write ups on her are inexplicably positive...) [/b]
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Sounds like you were at a Tori Amos performance.
You hit it on the head -- I find Tori highly unwatchable as well - all that weird gyrating on the piano bench, like she's got a community of ants in her pants she's trying to smush while singing. When you're not watching her, she's okay. Maybe Nellie's the same, but the songs seemed pretty simplistic to me...(then again, I was distracted by the thought that her eyes might roll backwards into her head at any moment...)
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
She's an excellent piano player, is clever with her wordplay, has a finger on the pulse of poular culture, a good jazzy singing voice, has cool, diverse influences, and according to Groudskeeper Willie, is totally fuckable. Plus, she's a bit sarcastic and snide. What's not to like?
Yeah, but Groundskeeper Willie went to UMD, so what's his opinion really worth?
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It's that small, huh? :roll:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
And I made a post about Franz Ferdinand like three months ago after hearing them on WOXY. Markie, Kurosawa, Skonster and Jaguar all had the EP and thought highly of it.
So I imagine all those on this board can say that they bought the CD after hearing the band on WOXY and KEXP and after getting a tip from someone on the 9:30 board.
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I tried the Borders on L Street and the one near Pentagon City, since they had the CD listed as "in-stock" on their website. Unfortunately, neither store has a copy on hand now. So, I'm back to waiting on Olsson's.
not to sound like a broken (revolutionary) record but revolution records still had copies of FF for 11.99 last night
202-237-2480
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Originally posted by brennser:not to sound like a broken (revolutionary) record but revolution records still had copies of FF for 11.99 last night
202-237-2480 [/QB]
Okay, I'm convinced! I'll stop by....you're a crack up, B.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
It's that small, huh? :roll:
What's that small?
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your fro?
Perhaps you should try this: <img src="http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/funny4/champoo.jpg" alt=" - " />
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http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006016 (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006016)
2/10.
More like ONE month ago, unless this isn't the thread you are referring to.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
And I made a post about Franz Ferdinand like three months ago after hearing them on WOXY. Markie, Kurosawa, Skonster and Jaguar all had the EP and thought highly of it.
So I imagine all those on this board can say that they bought the CD after hearing the band on WOXY and KEXP and after getting a tip from someone on the 9:30 board.
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hey, I went to the in-store and bought her cd based on seeing an ad for her in-store in the City Paper, as well as a tip from someone on the Fulks Board.
If I had known she was getting hype, I probably would have been contrary and avoided her ass.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Hypesluts, the all of ya...
Nellie McBalls. [/b]
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That's not the thread to which I was referring.
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No, there is an older thread. Kurosawa was talking about them ages ago. I got the darts of pleasure EP from CD warehouse just before Christmas, if my memory serves me well. (i think I bought it on my first visit there for two years) I have been back more often since.
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I don't have the powers or pollard, Rhett or dupek to find old threads...was there one on Revolution Records in particular?
Well, I went to RR yesterday looking for Ferdinand. Got there mid-in store performance by Gist -- problem was I couldn't shop while they were playing, as I was looking for "F" franz ferdinand, "G" get up kids, and "m" mekons, two of which were up front behind the band.
Great space, really cool listening rooms with chairs, mags, lava lamps -- even a turntable for vinyl listening. And staff (one of whom played in Gist) was super nice, friendly, helpful. They had punch and cookies after the performance.
I asked about FF and they were out, but offered to reserve me a copy. Then I got the whole story about how the distributor will let them have only so many copies, FF is sold out all over town, etc. Really nice and seemingly happy to be working in a record store...
The one concern I have is that their stock isn't sufficient. They don't seem to have many CD racks at all - the space is cool, but almost like a living room rather than a record store. I'm sure they'll order anything you want, but... Granted, I didn't peruse much, as I was looking for three discs in particular and had already waited around about 20 minutes for the in-store to end.
I will keep shopping there and see how it goes...
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You may want to check in with the Dupont Olsson's, too. I stopped by there over the weekend to pick up my FF reserve copy, so they may have more on hand now.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
You may want to check in with the Dupont Olsson's, too. I stopped by there over the weekend to pick up my FF reserve copy, so they may have more on hand now.
nope.
we just need to wait for their next EP to receive a trashing on Pitchfork.
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I don't know if anyone's still looking, but Melody on Connecticut had 6-7 copies of the Franz Ferdinand album. No Sufjan Stevens, though. Oh well.
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Wow, I saw a bunch of copies of the new Sufjan Stevens album (Seven Swans) last week at Melody, I'm suprised it sold out so quickly.
As someone who thought Greetings from Michigan was, while interesting, a little too post-rocky and indulgent, is Seven Swans more intimate and folky, as I've heard? How would people compare the 2?
Has anyone spotted the new Mirah and Simon Joyner records that came out today around town?
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Originally posted by Bags:
I don't have the powers or pollard, Rhett or dupek to find old threads...was there one on Revolution Records in particular?
Well, I went to RR yesterday looking for Ferdinand. Got there mid-in store performance by Gist -- problem was I couldn't shop while they were playing, as I was looking for "F" franz ferdinand, "G" get up kids, and "m" mekons, two of which were up front behind the band.
Great space, really cool listening rooms with chairs, mags, lava lamps -- even a turntable for vinyl listening. And staff (one of whom played in Gist) was super nice, friendly, helpful. They had punch and cookies after the performance.
I asked about FF and they were out, but offered to reserve me a copy. Then I got the whole story about how the distributor will let them have only so many copies, FF is sold out all over town, etc. Really nice and seemingly happy to be working in a record store...
The one concern I have is that their stock isn't sufficient. They don't seem to have many CD racks at all - the space is cool, but almost like a living room rather than a record store. I'm sure they'll order anything you want, but... Granted, I didn't peruse much, as I was looking for three discs in particular and had already waited around about 20 minutes for the in-store to end.
I will keep shopping there and see how it goes...
the funny thing is that BigYawn bought the promo copy of FF at Revolution, and the owner really didn't know who they were. Pretty good deal too. But I agree, they do not have enough racks of CDs.
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Franz Ferdinand on Morning Becomes Eclectic
http://www.kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=3/15/04&tmplt_type=show (http://www.kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=3/15/04&tmplt_type=show)
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The album came in at #3 on Olsson's Bestselling Popular Music (http://www.olssons.com/cgi-cart/bestsell.pl#mlist) list for the week ending March 14.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
The album came in at #3 on Olsson's Bestselling Popular Music (http://www.olssons.com/cgi-cart/bestsell.pl#mlist) list for the week ending March 14.
I wonder why a book written 150 years ago (Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay) is appearing at #2 on their bestselling books.
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I bought my Franz Ferdinad CD in London three weeks ago. Worth the money and the hype.
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Maybe he's related to Nellie McKay...
BallCage
Mindless Balls
Deep8 Productions
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
The album came in at #3 on Olsson's Bestselling Popular Music (http://www.olssons.com/cgi-cart/bestsell.pl#mlist) list for the week ending March 14.
I wonder why a book written 150 years ago (Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay) is appearing at #2 on their bestselling books. [/b]
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
The album came in at #3 on Olsson's Bestselling Popular Music (http://www.olssons.com/cgi-cart/bestsell.pl#mlist) list for the week ending March 14.
Maybe it's because they ORDERED SO FEW that it sold out at most of their stores. (Ask me, I know.)
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
The album came in at #3 on Olsson's Bestselling Popular Music (http://www.olssons.com/cgi-cart/bestsell.pl#mlist) list for the week ending March 14.
Maybe it's because they ORDERED SO FEW that it sold out at most of their stores. (Ask me, I know.) [/b]
Actually, the guy at Revolution Records told me some interesting info. The distributor will not give any stores more than a few each with their deliveries, as every store has asked for more and the distributor wants every store to get some copies. I'm sure that's a short term issue, until the overall regional order can be upped. Interesting, though, don't ya think?
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A DC record store has a chance of making some money and the stupid record companies are holding them back. :roll:
You know, with the lack of Indie record stores now in the area, you are best to be patient and wait for the record to come in instead of going online or out of town. It will only be a short time in your life and it's not that important to have it immediately. Look at it as investing in the future of your one and only local independent record store.
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i'm now one of the kwel kidz having gotten my copy yesterday... anyone heard how well this record did sales wise the first week? given the big underground buzz that developed on this band. i'm also under orders to get this on kosmette's ipod lickety split... might have something to do with them being sharply dressed scots ;)
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I ordered a bunch of books from Amazon, so in laziness I ordered FF as well. Should get it end of the week. Good price, though I shoulda ordered it from Revolution...
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If anyone still needs to find the CD, I saw 2-3 copies at Smash! in Georgetown this past Saturday. Price was $13.99.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Yet playing here [SXSW] can help garner attention and build the ever-elusive industry buzz. It happened with Norah Jones two years ago. This year's hottest band is the high-energy Scottish rock/dance quartet Franz Ferdinand (yes, it's named after the archduke whose assassination helped kick-start World War I). The band's self-titled debut is closing in on the top of the U.K. charts and its show here was one of the most anticipated of the long weekend.
Doing boffo in Great Britain doesn't necessarily translate into album sales in America, however. Sitting poolside with his band mates at the Radisson Hotel, lead singer Alex Kapranos seemed well aware of potential pitfalls. "We don't have any master plan for conquering America," he said. "I think so many British bands have a horrible, condescending attitude about America and think that just because they're big in Britain, they'll be big in the States. We don't think like that. We'll just enjoy playing our music and see what happens."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13870-2004Mar21.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13870-2004Mar21.html)
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Olsen's downtown (7th St) had about 8 copies on Friday afternoon when I finally picked up mine...
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Olsen's downtown (7th St) had about 8 copies on Friday afternoon when I finally picked up mine...
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There was a segment on the band last night during NPR's "All Things Considered."
Here are the U.S. tour dates, source for now is Pitchfork, but a couple of U.S. stops are listed on Pollstar:
06-04 San Francisco, CA - The Grand at the Regency Centre
06-05 Hollywood, CA - Avalon
06-08 Seattle, WA - Showbox
06-09 Denver, CO - Bluebird Theatre
06-11 Minneapolis, MN - Fine Line Music Cafe
06-12 Chicago, IL - Metro
06-13 Detroit, MI - Majestic Theatre
06-14 Toronto, Ontario - Phoenix Concert Theatre
06-16 Boston, MA - Avalon
06-17 New York, NY - Webster Hall
06-18 Brooklyn, NY - Volume
06-19 Philadelphia, PA - Making Time @ Shampoo
06-20 Washington, D.C. - 9:30 Club
06-22 Atlanta, Georgia - Cotton Club
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Virgin has the FF album on sale for $9.99 and they have 20-25 copies.
Oh wait, the closest Megastore is in NYC isn't it.
Anyhow, I neglected to post a review of the show, but I saw FF two weekends ago with The Tyde and both bands were amazing. The best show I've seen since I moved here. The only downside was all of the British people at the show - you know how much I hate "those" people.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
The only downside was all of the British people at the show - you know how much I hate "those" people.
Amen, brother.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
The Tyde
Care to say anything more about the tyde? I thought they were great live. I keep thinking about making a trip to your coast just to see them.
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GRRRRRRRRR <img src="http://www.sspfrance.com/gallery/images/wwn-white_house_fire.gif" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Care to say anything more about the tyde? I thought they were great live. I keep thinking about making a trip to your coast just to see them.
I have been bitter about not seeing them at The Velvet Lounge since the night of the show. It was right as I was moving if I recall and I wasn't able to get out there.
Anyhow, they were really good. They defnitely looked LA, but sounded British. I only have "Twice" and most of the songs were off of Twice, a new tune who's name I can't recall and some old stuff. They definitely looked older than I thought they would, but I learned later that they've been a band for years and are in their 40's! They sounded really tight, and while I thought FF had more energy, the Tyde sounded better.
Because they were an opener, they didn't play a full set, but I am looking forward to seeing them as a headliner at a smaller venue. I'm sure this show was nothing like the Velvet Lounge show, but it was still great.
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That is cool, thankyou. Once, the first album, is well worth piking up. I got mine on ebay. They did sound very good at the velvet lounge when thye played, too. I guess they have plenty of experience.
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The drummer/singer for Velvet Crush, Ric Menck, played drums on the last Tyde album. Does he tour with them as well?
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Also, anyone familiar with Beachwood Sparks? The Tyde and them share some members; Beachwood Sparks is more twangy but worth looking into if you like the Tyde.
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Originally posted by skonster:
Also, anyone familiar with Beachwood Sparks? The Tyde and them share some members; Beachwood Sparks is more twangy but worth looking into if you like the Tyde.
I cant stand the twang. I love the tyde, but absolutely loathe the beachwood sparks. They share members but thats about it.
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Originally posted by Friend of Guy Balls:
The drummer/singer for Velvet Crush, Ric Menck, played drums on the last Tyde album. Does he tour with them as well?
<img src="http://www.velvetcrushrockgroup.com/images/bandphotos/3.jpg" alt=" - " />
If it is the guy in the back there, I think he was with the tyde, but he maybe had a beard then?
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Originally posted by Friend of Guy Balls:
The drummer/singer for Velvet Crush, Ric Menck, played drums on the last Tyde album. Does he tour with them as well?
ric menck. . .didn't he play drums for matthew sweet as well; maybe not tour, but play on the albums.
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I know about one other person in this city who can stand music with twang, so I know where you're coming from. But why do you loathe Beachwood Sparks and want to check out the Thrills? I know the Thrills are all about 19 or whatever, but now that I'm thinking about it they sound a LOT like Beachwood Sparks. To be fair, I may be jaded because I only mildly enjoyed the Thrills show at Iota a couple of months ago.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by skonster:
Also, anyone familiar with Beachwood Sparks? The Tyde and them share some members; Beachwood Sparks is more twangy but worth looking into if you like the Tyde.
I cant stand the twang. I love the tyde, but absolutely loathe the beachwood sparks. They share members but thats about it. [/b]
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Originally posted by skonster:
I know about one other person in this city who can stand music with twang, so I know where you're coming from.
I'm not sure how much twang you're talking about, but I LOVE jangle. Does that get me close?
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Originally posted by skonster:
I know about one other person in this city who can stand music with twang
Sorry, if I was a bit condescending. I re-read the thread, and thought, "who is trying to be an asshole?" "Oh its me!"
I dont hear any twang in the thrills. I dont think their album is the best thing ever, but its some mediocre British pop. Just my thing, to be honest. And it is their first album, as such i think it is actually quite accomplished.
I found the beachwood sparks quite tough going. Perhaps I got the wrong album, but I just dont think they are for me.
If you like the tyde, you will most likey enjoy Felt. Do you have any?
Jangle makes me think of shoegazers amd pop, twang makes me think of Dolly Parton and Country.
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No dice!
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by skonster:
I know about one other person in this city who can stand music with twang, so I know where you're coming from.
I'm not sure how much twang you're talking about, but I LOVE jangle. Does that get me close? [/b]
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yep, he did.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Friend of Guy Balls:
The drummer/singer for Velvet Crush, Ric Menck, played drums on the last Tyde album. Does he tour with them as well?
ric menck. . .didn't he play drums for matthew sweet as well; maybe not tour, but play on the albums. [/b]
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Beachwood Sparks...too psychedelic for me.
Originally posted by skonster:
Also, anyone familiar with Beachwood Sparks? The Tyde and them share some members; Beachwood Sparks is more twangy but worth looking into if you like the Tyde.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Sorry, if I was a bit condescending. I re-read the thread, and thought, "who is trying to be an asshole?" "Oh its me!"
Somebody catch me from fainting, Markie just a
apologized for being an ass hole! I thought I'd never see the day....
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So this excerpt on the FF album has created quite a stir in an email exchange of mine.
Comments?
Q Magazine
The most ebullient British debut since Elastica. [Mar 2004, p.102]
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Q Magazine
The most ebullient British debut since Elastica. [Mar 2004, p.102]
since Elastica??? I think its one of the best debut albums I've ever heard
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That's what my friend thinks..or since the 80s, at least.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
[Somebody catch me from fainting, Markie just a
apologized for being an ass hole! I thought I'd never see the day....
Skonsters reply was not at all what I was expecting. I thought he would go on about how if you like one act you have to like both. So his candid confession took me completely off-guard.
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i recall finding the beachwood sparks cd tough going as well...
once saw velvet crush w/tommy keene on second guitar warm up for oasis... when oasis was good of course
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
once saw velvet crush w/tommy keene on second guitar warm up for oasis...
mmmmmmmmmm, just thinking about that. Wonder if Tommy bounces his head side to side when he's not singing.....mmmmmmmmm
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Originally posted by Bags:
The most ebullient British debut since Elastica. [Mar 2004, p.102] [/b]
4 entries found for ebullient.
e·bul·lient    P   Pronunciation Key  (-blynt, -bl-)
adj.
Zestfully enthusiastic.
Boiling or seeming to boil; bubbling.
How about the libertines? Its good for sure, but its not THAT good.
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The most ebullient British debut since Elastica
for that matter I wouldn't have described Elastica as particularly ebullient
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Anyway I was away in one of those meetings that sucks the life out of me. And yes, I enjoy Felt and am listening to Stains on a Decade right now. Any one of their proper albums worth picking up? I wouldn't know where to begin, but am happy with this disk.
And for two bands that share a lot of members, Beachwood Sparks and the Tyde really do sound quite different - I prefer the Tyde but think they do share some of the same sensibilities.
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Originally posted by skonster:
Any one of their proper albums worth picking up? I wouldn't know where to begin, but am happy with this disk.
I only have stains on a decade and absolute classic masterpieces. I was hoping you could recommend more...
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My disposable income keeps me from digging much further into their catalog at this point - I was in a store in Philly a couple of months ago and they had 3-4 of their proper albums. I was tempted, but held off.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by skonster:
Any one of their proper albums worth picking up? I wouldn't know where to begin, but am happy with this disk.
I only have stains on a decade and absolute classic masterpieces. I was hoping you could recommend more... [/b]
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I have never seen any in a store, though they were all rereleased last year. I dunno if I really need more CDs at this point. Which store in Philly was it?
They have them at Amazon for around $13. But once I start with an Amazon order it never seems to stop. So I try to avoid it.
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Yeah, Amazon is a bad scene; if I decide to get one or two discs on there I figure 'why not just get a dozen'. The Philly store was AKA music in old town. Hopefully the link works:
http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/8957201/?cslink=cs_boc_lw_2_3 (http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/8957201/?cslink=cs_boc_lw_2_3)
I really like that store.
And they Felt albums looked like the rereleases.
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Originally posted by skonster:
http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/8957201/?cslink=cs_boc_lw_2_3 (http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/8957201/?cslink=cs_boc_lw_2_3)
Yep, thanks, I will have to go sometime.
So you going to the delgados?
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
once saw velvet crush w/tommy keene on second guitar warm up for oasis...
mmmmmmmmmm, just thinking about that. Wonder if Tommy bounces his head side to side when he's not singing.....mmmmmmmmm [/b]
i'll never forget the look of surprise on his face when i gave him a shout out... the other memorable part of the evening was seeing oasis wander by on their way to the stage and thinking how very short they all were.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by skonster:
http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/8957201/?cslink=cs_boc_lw_2_3 (http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/8957201/?cslink=cs_boc_lw_2_3)
Yep, thanks, I will have to go sometime.
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you can go to a baseball game too! let me know, cause i'd go see a game in the new stadium, although i am going to opening day. plus, they have build-a-phanatic, sponsored by the build-a-bear company. i'm sure the missus would appreciate such a nicety.
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I'm just happy I got to go to a game at the hole they called the Vet before it imploded. It was a preseason Eagles game and you could feel the hate even then.
And I'm still debating on the Delgados. I'd like to, but I've been to a show every other day for the past 2-3 weeks and it's been catching up on me.
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Originally posted by skonster:
I'm just happy I got to go to a game at the hole they called the Vet before it imploded. It was a preseason Eagles game and you could feel the hate even then.
i was at millwood's no hitter last year. . .even had me cheering for the phillies.
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bump (http://www.kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=3/15/04&tmplt_type=show)......franz ferdinand on kcrw
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Very cool...thanks, b.
PS, you can watch this one as well as listen. While they're just in the studio, it gives lulu a chance to scope the band out for skuchy hair...
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hey does anyone have an idea as to when the concert for FF will be 'officially' announced and put tickets on sale?
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Any Thursday now.
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The band will be on MTV2's "Subterranean" show next Friday at midnight.
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Greetings from Franz Ferdinand,
A short reminder that today, in the UK at least, our new single is
released. 'Dark Of The Matinee' is available as a DVD, CD or 7". You
will be able listen to tracks such as 'Michael' (live at KCRW), 'Better
In Hoboken', 'Forty Feet' (Acoustic), and look at the video for
'Matinee', some live KCRW footage, a photo gallery, and get splendid FF
wallpaper for your computer.
So what are you waiting for? It's in the shops now! Each one is lonely
and needs a home, you can give it one.
Merci,
RH / Franz Ferdinand
www.franzferdinand.co.uk (http://www.franzferdinand.co.uk)
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The media assault continues. Franz Ferdinand as guest editors of the Guardian Arts section:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/guesteditors/page/0,14481,1191874,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/guesteditors/page/0,14481,1191874,00.html)