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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: redsock on October 11, 2010, 11:21:49 pm
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So, i've been on e-music for some time, partially because i love the way their credit system worked. And i have rollover credit privileges. Now, that is all changing. In November they revert to a dollar system. What does that mean to me?
I now pay $11.99 month and get 30 credits, which is pretty close to a credit per song, though some albums are more or less, but not many. Now, assuming their estimation that most songs more than a year old would be $.49 a track, I'll get 24 songs a month, less if i want new stuff. Even with the $2 "bonus" I get 28 at best.
This all but assures a cancellation of my subscription. They talk about their new subscription system in the same e-mail they talk about adding 250,000 Universal songs. Coincidence? I'm fine with keeping the top 40 crap off of e-music if it keeps costs down. But I also realize the top 40 crap pays the bills, so, I'm shit out of luck. But I do think the way they framed this all makes it seem like Universal is the reason this pricing shifted. Which isn't a good way to do it.
Anyone else perturbed by this sudden change in policy?
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Totally agree on the eMusic credit system, I liked the not having to think about what something actually cost. Right now I'm very lucky that my two year sub renewed right before the last price increase so my 16 cent cost per track is still in effect under the credit system, and with the 12 credit album pricing I can really stretch those 90 credits out on occasion. i.e. 22 tracks for 12 credits with some of the soul music re-issues downloaded of late. I'm thinking that with the currency model, not so much anymore. Especially since it appears under the new system my current cost per track has risen.
eMusic is where I get 90% of my music nowadays, it's fun to browse through the new releases finding interesting new albums to download, ones outside the standard Pitchfork approved indie rock. With record stores so few and far between in these parts, I just don't have the time or energy to go through bins anymore. Maybe I'll just not renew my subs and focus on buying my MP3s direct from now on...
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Frankly, I'm shocked they're still in business considering how long they've held the line on the credit plan. I guess enough people like me who didn't use their credits cancelled and they were left with folks like Kosmo and Redsock - and that's just not sustainable.
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Oct's @emusic haul 7 albums with 150+ tracks (two year sub) Nov's haul with new pricing will be 5 albums or less. Gee Thanks
What amuses is all the comments about how this indie site is being destroyed by more major label content. If it were truly a indie site, the occasional CDBaby distributed album would chart instead of the usually generic indie rock bands of the month constantly in favor on the site.
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Why doesn't someone just set up a sight that allows unlimited downloads and provides albums in multiple formats (including lossless flac and alac) for a monthly fee? It'll have to get to that eventually. Any label with good business sense would be all about distributing their material like that. I would pay for a legitimate equivalent to any of the well-set up invite-only torrent sites to support the artists I like if such a service existed.
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emusic offered unlimited downloads briefly when it was owned by Vivendi-Universal, needless to say it didn't exactly make money....
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Why doesn't someone just set up a sight that allows unlimited downloads and provides albums in multiple formats (including lossless flac and alac) for a monthly fee? It'll have to get to that eventually. Any label with good business sense would be all about distributing their material like that. I would pay for a legitimate equivalent to any of the well-set up invite-only torrent sites to support the artists I like if such a service existed.
Would you support FLAC with DRM? Because that's the only way you're going to see this. Unfortunately, the general pubilc have shown that they are not willing to pay a "legitimate equivalent" for something they can have for free.
If you don't want FLAC, Rhapsody and Napster have unlimited album downloads for a monthly fee. And have for years...
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"supporting the artist"
now that's a good one. i've heard fucking everything now.
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^ You've got that right!
Can't speak for eMusic or some of the other companies mentioned here but I have a musician friend who told me that they've yet to see one red cent from all their music sold via iTunes.
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I'm likely out as well. And Redsock, I think they are not even hiding that the Universal adds is the motivating factor behind the change to their payment system. They scaled back the credit allotments in each program the last time they added a lot of major label catalogue -- very specifically related changes.
My one question -- with the currency change, will they now roll them over month to month? It was a weird deal with the credits, but I felt it was the bargain for the relatively low cost. I let some credits go unused many times. I also downloaded things I never would have purchased otherwise in order to use credits, and because I wasn't thinking about 'costs,' but of using my given allotment. And that was something that added to the cool factor -- sure, I'll try that Field Music cd. And sometimes I found albums I now love.
I think I'm locked in until my annual program runs out, next March or so. Then bye bye. I don't need some monthly plan to get Universal stuff.
Redsock, how on earth do you get to rollover credits month to month?
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Interesting, eMusic has upped the loyalty bonus, so now depending on the cost of the albums, I can get up to 8 album downloads, this feels like a shift in the right direction... Am very curious as to how this will carry over to a new plan.
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Also under the new system one is allowed to only carry over loose change it's under the cost of a track i.e.
US example:
If you have 51 cents it will NOT carry over. You can purchase any .49 track. That will be deducted from the album price for a Complete Album Discount. The remaining .02 will carry over.
If you have 50 cents or 49 cents it will not carry over.
If you have .48 or less it will carry over.
The header and the account page will tell you if your balance is loose change that will carry over
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Domino, Merge, and Beggars Group (that includes Matador, XL, and 4AD) leaving emusic effective tomorrow.
RIP emusic
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News of the Merge and Beggars loss are likely the end of my subscription, though alas I may be stuck until March as I'm an annual subscriber. VERY frustrated. Just sent this email to eMusic:
Couple of questions -- so my account refreshes in the same way and every 30 days I lose any money I have not used? Now that this is listed as actual dollars and cents credits, this approach is disturbing. Particularly as the date of the refresh has not been available in my account information for about a year -- 'guessing' is a lot more frustrating now with more expensive tracks and the remainder an actual dollar amount.
The only date in My Account is when my plan expires, not my monthly music credit expiration date. If this date does not become transparent, I need to find out how to cancel my plan and receive a refund for the months not used. My annual plan converts March 8, 2011.
[Note that my audiobooks refresh date is available, but not my monthly music refresh date.]
Nancy Bagot
nancy_bagot@yahoo.com (annual subscription member for 6 or 7 years)
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From Matador:
Matador and eMusic
November 17th, 2010 at 9:57 am by Gerard
As you might have read elsewhere, the Matador Records catalog will no longer be available via eMusic as of November 18.
This is unfortunate, but as eMusic has brought more major labels into the fold, they have changed the terms on which they deal with labels, some of which we have found impossible to accept, in our own interests, those of our artists, and ultimately those of their fans.
We?re grateful for the support Matador has received from eMusic in the past.
Matador?s catalog will continue to be available via many other great sites and stores. We encourage you to visit them.
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I would bet 50% of my eMusic 'purchases' are Merge, Matador and related Beggars Group.
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In general these labels disappearing won't affect what I typically download, however based on Matador's announcement I do wonder about the direction of the site.
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I think folks should not be disappointed with this, but instead be happy they lasted as long as they did with their business model.
It was unsustainable.
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I would bet 50% of my eMusic 'purchases' are Merge, Matador and related Beggars Group.
Same. And my plan re-ups tomorrow... Nearly everything in my saves for later fell into this group too. I'm giving it one month to see if there is enough to keep me on board.
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CEO Discusses Future of eMusic
17Nov10
eMusic has always looked to be a home for thoughtful fans of music, no matter the source. Our aim has always been to offer the most complete selection of music possible. To that end we are adding to our U.S. catalogue over 250,000 titles from Universal Music Group, as well as new releases from Sony Music Entertainment and Warner Music Group ? much of this goes live on eMusic tomorrow (Nov 18) in the U.S. and the balance over the next few weeks. This is in addition to their catalog, which has been live for a year. These labels join thousands of labels already working with us to offer you the best music selection possible; in the future we will welcome more music in the UK, Europe and Canada as well.
In the process of expanding our catalog and making the changes necessary to serve our members and ensure the long-term sustainability of our business, a few labels have chosen to exclude themselves from the new comprehensive eMusic offering. We are treating all labels equally and therefore we believe fairly. We will greatly miss their artists and their music and trust that they will find their way back to our members soon.
We remain committed to the unique voice we have cultivated on the eMusic site, and to highlighting the music that inspires us, whether it?s sold 4 or 4 million copies, regardless of what label has released it. Our focus is on our members and we look forward to working with all of our label partners ? new and existing ? and to creating a service that benefits them, their artists and our members.
Adam Klein, eMusic CEO
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azag will yell . . . but i gol (giggled out loud) at the fact that the "idealism" that screwed over the music industry, is now screwing over the user that was the one behind the initial screwing.
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changes necessary to ensure the long-term sustainability of our business
In honor of Markie....
ding, Ding, DING
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here's a list of what was added today....a whole lotta junk:
http://www.diehippiedie.com/emusic/listtoday.php
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here's a list of what was added today....a whole lotta junk:
http://www.diehippiedie.com/emusic/listtoday.php
did you check out all 23,180 songs? to come up with that number, you'd have to include a lot of filler...
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I smell a rat regarding the breakaway of the those three indie labels, it's almost if there a plans to setup their own download service. The NYT story of course quotes lots of unnamed sources familiar with the negotiations...
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OK now emusic is really beginning to wear thin and this is a big change regarding the ability to re-download.... I was fine with the change in limiting re-downloads but this change turns them one step closer to really becoming iTMS >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
also cloud smoud...
"eMusic?s policy on re-downloads hasn?t changed: members who experience a technical problem while downloading a track or album will be able to retry the download free of charge. What is new as of today is that we can now detect whether or not a download has been completed successfully. If we detect a problem with a download, the download button will turn red. Members can click it to retry the download at no charge. After a successful download, a blue button with a checkmark will appear. Members can click it to request an additional download but will be charged for it. If you want to get a copy of a song onto two different computers, one at work and one at home, for example, you?ll need to do this manually, with a USB flash drive or other method to avoid being charged again. As always, we recommend you back up your downloads regularly. In the event you are unable to complete a download due to a technical problem, please contact Customer Care for assistance.
Looking ahead, we are working on a digital locker which will allow members to access their music collection in the "cloud" with any web-enabled device. We hope to make this feature available in the New Year."
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their new preferred plans are equally baffling... my two year account is being "upgraded" to a one time yearly account????? HUH????
and now I can't even figure out what date my music account reloads... i'm sending some pointed feedback and leaning towards an account hold
it's my primary source for music these days, highly doubt any other site is as easy and straight forward at least the way I use eMusic.
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i feel for you, kosmo. I never did the annual/2 year thing. I had two monthly accounts and I canceled each of them alternately every 3 months and they offered me 90 free downloads each time I rejoined...so I got a lot of free ones in the process (probably did it 8 times?)
anyway, i downloaded a bunch of Destroyer albums (Streethawk, Thief) during Merge's last day on emusic....great stuff.
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I went ahead and axed my account as my monthly reup would have been today. I'll keep an eye on it, but that re-download option was really the last straw. I have two computers and it is so much easier than manually having to transfer them. </first world problem>
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and now I can't even figure out what date my music account reloads... i'm sending some pointed feedback and leaning towards an account hold
I emailed the help desk on this issue -- I have an annual account and nowhere is my monthly refresh date listed, which makes ensuring I don't lose credits REALLY hard.
I was told: "We are sorry that you're having troubles viewing your refresh date. There's a bug in the system, where those members with annual plans are unable to see this date, when their subscription download credits get to zero. We're hard at work developing a solution to this. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience. According to our records, your account is set to refresh on December 8, 2010."
Uh, that's no help at all.
And I was pretty worried about the redownload issue, so redownloaded a lot this past month (my hard drive crashed and I thought I had music backed up on server, but didn't -- it's work, I have little control, I didn't know).
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here's a list of what was added today....a whole lotta junk:
http://www.diehippiedie.com/emusic/listtoday.php
did you check out all 23,180 songs? to come up with that number, you'd have to include a lot of filler...
not that it should come as a surprise, but's it's not nearly as dire as Joe says it is :)
first off there is the Hip-O releases, Universal's version of Rhino. Complete Motown singles boxset any one?. There are several interesting BBC sessions available. Lots of bands that seem to get people around here all excited... I'm plenty of stuff for my save for later list... even spied some album I thought were only UK releases.
and a healthy chunk of what was added is Classical and releases by the giants of Jazz, just because this isn't your type of music doesn't make it bad.
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the other day i went into a store a bought a cd. i handed my money over and she handed me the cd. it was easy.
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the other day i realized the closest stores that sell CDs don't have the selection eMusic has.... and as a side note while plenty of indie sites sell digital downloads, eMusic serves a great aggregator which is why it pains me to see so...
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that's what wrong with the world . . . everybody wants everything at all times. i like to pretend life is like christmas; it's nice to get things every once in a while.
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With eMusic Christmas comes 12 times a year... Possibly even 24 times ;)