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Title: White Stripes No More
Post by: wml7 on February 02, 2011, 02:00:25 pm
It's over damn it

http://consequenceofsound.net/2011/02/02/the-white-stripes-break-up/
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 02, 2011, 02:03:18 pm
Translation: "Sister" Meg wanted a large salary increase
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2011, 02:13:24 pm
Quote from: kosmo vinyl on February 02, 2011, 02:03:18 pm
Translation: "Sister" Meg wanted a large salary increase

and how do you know that?
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 02:28:09 pm
<yawn>


There are three thousand Detroit garage bands that do it better anyway.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2011, 02:31:05 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 02:28:09 pm
<yawn>


There are three thousand Detroit garage bands that do it better anyway.



Mandatory hipster response.

Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 02:35:34 pm
i like them.  i find this sad.  i feel it is because meg got tired of jack being too interested in too many other things, in other words . . . not including her.  jealousy is bitch, i guess now so is she.  the shows i saw will forever remembered as, awesome!
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 02:36:52 pm
Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 02:31:05 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 02:28:09 pm
<yawn>


There are three thousand Detroit garage bands that do it better anyway.



Mandatory hipster response.



Nah, just really don't care for Jack White.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: nkotb on February 02, 2011, 02:39:55 pm
Yeah, a bit of a bummer, although I agree with what vansmack (I think?) said in the death thread: bands have expiration dates, and they realized theirs.

I'd say De Stjil through Get Behind Me Satan are all killer records, but there was definitely a feeling of the band's lack of interest in the last record.  Still pretty killer live, though.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 02, 2011, 02:40:26 pm
Its a joke, but I also found odd that ex-wife Meg, stood up at one of his weddings as the little sister
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: James Ford on February 02, 2011, 02:50:04 pm
Hey that's great news. Can we start a petition to retire all of Jackoff White's other bands, as well as retire him from producing as well?
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: vansmack on February 02, 2011, 02:51:35 pm
Quote from: nkotb on February 02, 2011, 02:39:55 pm
I agree with what vansmack (I think?) said in the death thread: bands have expiration dates, and they realized theirs.

I did not.  I concurred with Beetsnotbeats who authored the original sentiment.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 02, 2011, 02:58:39 pm
And here I thought that they broke up a couple years ago.  :D 

Goes to show how little I care about this news.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 03:02:15 pm
Shhhh....you'll be called names on here for not caring!
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: sweetcell on February 02, 2011, 03:03:54 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 02:28:09 pm
<yawn>


There are three thousand Detroit garage bands that do it better anyway.


not from detroit, but the north mississippi all-stars were at least as good as the white stripe doing the guitar-and-drums duo thing last night.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 03:05:59 pm
the north miss. allstars . . . omg.  now, i've heard everything.   ;)
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 02, 2011, 03:08:36 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 03:02:15 pm
Shhhh....you'll be called names on here for not caring!


 :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Like I care! LOLOL. You know me better than that. Besides, they already call me names, and not all good.

Besides, I agree with the movement here that they did what they did and then wore it out. So be it.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 02, 2011, 03:14:06 pm
(http://rlv.zcache.com/peppermint_cat_ornament_photosculpture-p153691974051996657qif5_152.jpg)
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:19:08 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 03:02:15 pm
Shhhh....you'll be called names on here for not caring!


hipster?  ::)

Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 03:19:25 pm
(http://www.hippyshopper.com/gallery/2010/12/christmas_animal_tee/catbow_red_white_front-400.jpg)
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Mobius on February 02, 2011, 03:21:59 pm
So I guess the aughts are now  officially over then
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: James Ford on February 02, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
You say that likes it's some kind of insult. In the grand scheme of things, most people on here are "hipsters". You included. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:19:08 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 03:02:15 pm
Shhhh....you'll be called names on here for not caring!


hipster?  ::)


Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 02, 2011, 03:28:56 pm
Meg wants to replace the terrible drummer of Best Coast.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 02, 2011, 03:32:58 pm
Quote from: Vas Deferens on February 02, 2011, 03:28:56 pm
Meg wants to replace the terrible drummer of Best Coast.

Why even bother unless it's an improvement?
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:53:35 pm
Quote from: James Ford on February 02, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
You say that likes it's some kind of insult. In the grand scheme of things, most people on here are "hipsters". You included. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:19:08 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 03:02:15 pm
Shhhh....you'll be called names on here for not caring!


hipster?  ::)




I'm hip for sure but I ain't no "hipster"!.. .I'm loyal to my bands. I don't like them for their first album and 15 minutes of fame and then when others catch on go "Oh, they WERE great back when only I knew about 'em.. but now...fuggedaboutit".. You see that kind of shit on this board all the friggin' time....Phoenix comes to mind ("Oh, the Rock and Roll Hotel that was it man, Constitution Hall..what a downer mahn..") its cool..I laugh about it actually.. it amuses me ...peeps thinking they're cool..trying to out-cool each other...

Bands like Ween, Luna, GBV, ACDC, Stones, Smithereens, Sleater, Outer Body Llama (DC's best band that you "hip" cats refuse to listen to..back in the day they weren't Dischord enough.. now they ain't Brooklyn enough..it never ends).. guys like Dylan, Jack White...  I'll support them forever... I'm open to whatever they want to do... I don't go "Oh, they are too old" or some crap like that...I'm loyal.

Like I said.. I may be hip but I ain't no hipster.. the hipster enjoys the feeling he gets from thinking he's ahead of the crowd; somehow superior and better... once he doesn't have that feeling he's got to move on, differentiate himself from the crowd, and in fact put down the crowd (and by extension the artist)...I couldn't care less what the crowd thinks: whether they are for or against an artist... thats what being truly hip is... btw

We've had a million examples of this "hipsterism" which is really nothing more than being a poseur.. to the poseur Pearl Jam was great when you could see them in some shitty club and they could barely play their instruments... now if two of their band members are in a side project and coming to the Black Cat today well thats just a "nineties" thing ..its a bad thing cause its "old"... I think thats utter bunk..

But carry on children.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Mobius on February 02, 2011, 04:01:01 pm
Pearl Jam could always play their instruments.  They arrived fully formed
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 04:06:10 pm
Very happy I got to see them live. Great band, thought they went out on a good note. Not my favorite band, but definitely in the top 20 or so. Sad news.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: reggie on February 02, 2011, 04:06:21 pm
As a gigposter collector, I'm kinda sad because the Stripes poster artist and merch designer, Rob Jones, made some really amazing prints for them over the years.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJbqTaLOXI_Rf1EM2jvd3oTOtWmlyEPycajlw_0upq0PoGvdSVjg)

(http://stormthebarricade.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/jones-ws.jpg?w=232&h=303)

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKQKI3rQM024bBgtpV_tdnM4q2RnW_eA5YJH6qlv_hZOS_is4IKA)
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: ggw on February 02, 2011, 04:12:41 pm
Don't be sad.  Those Rob Jones prints have just increased in value.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 05:03:33 pm

Is there a good gigography of them somewhere?  Was the Patriot Center show one of the last ones they ever did?  Looking back I'm glad I went to that even though Jack was pissy about the sound the entire show.

Brian
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 02, 2011, 05:14:31 pm
The White Stripes have broke up?

(http://djsovernt.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/champagne-pop1.jpg)

Cue the 1812 Overture!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8fI-dGWT74

Most overrated band evah!
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 05:21:14 pm
i'm curious tmul . . . what bands do you worship and find to be the shit shit?
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 05:27:49 pm
Quote from: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 05:03:33 pm

Is there a good gigography of them somewhere?  Was the Patriot Center show one of the last ones they ever did?  Looking back I'm glad I went to that even though Jack was pissy about the sound the entire show.

Brian
He apologized for it sounding "Donkey", he was pissy. But still rocked it. I have a recording of that show too.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 05:28:22 pm
Quote from: reggie on February 02, 2011, 04:06:21 pm
As a gigposter collector, I'm kinda sad because the Stripes poster artist and merch designer, Rob Jones, made some really amazing prints for them over the years.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJbqTaLOXI_Rf1EM2jvd3oTOtWmlyEPycajlw_0upq0PoGvdSVjg)

(http://stormthebarricade.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/jones-ws.jpg?w=232&h=303)

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKQKI3rQM024bBgtpV_tdnM4q2RnW_eA5YJH6qlv_hZOS_is4IKA)

If I'm not mistaken their Patriot Center gig had a red/white/black face of George Mason himself on it.... I think. And it was like 50$.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 02, 2011, 05:30:05 pm
belle and sebastian, later stuff  ::)

Quote from: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 05:21:14 pm
i'm curious tmul . . . what bands do you worship and find to be the shit shit?
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 02, 2011, 05:30:55 pm
Quote from: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 05:21:14 pm
i'm curious tmul . . . what bands do you worship and find to be the shit shit?

Bands with competent drummers and songwriters who can write songs with more than three chords.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 02, 2011, 05:31:05 pm
V_D, right on.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 02, 2011, 05:34:26 pm
Quote from: Vas Deferens on February 02, 2011, 05:30:05 pm
belle and sebastian, later stuff  ::)

Quote from: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 05:21:14 pm
i'm curious tmul . . . what bands do you worship and find to be the shit shit?

Haha! The consummate ironic hipster!  ;D
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: reggie on February 02, 2011, 05:40:15 pm
Quote from: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 05:28:22 pm
If I'm not mistaken their Patriot Center gig had a red/white/black face of George Mason himself on it.... I think. And it was like 50$.

(http://www.expressobeans.com/IMG.php?t=lg&id=79379)

According to expressobeans, "The man pictured in this poster is one of the leaders of the French Revolution named Maximilien Robespierre."
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 05:41:42 pm
Quote from: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 02, 2011, 05:30:55 pm
Quote from: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 05:21:14 pm
i'm curious tmul . . . what bands do you worship and find to be the shit shit?

Bands with competent drummers and songwriters who can write songs with more than three chords.
Hater. One of the best guitar players of this generation. Funny how 1 man can be in 3 different bands using just 3 chords every song he plays... hm.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 05:42:30 pm
Quote from: reggie on February 02, 2011, 05:40:15 pm
Quote from: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 05:28:22 pm
If I'm not mistaken their Patriot Center gig had a red/white/black face of George Mason himself on it.... I think. And it was like 50$.

(http://www.expressobeans.com/IMG.php?t=lg&id=79379)

According to expressobeans, "The man pictured in this poster is one of the leaders of the French Revolution named Maximilien Robespierre."
Alright, to be fair I didn't know how either looked. Awesome poster though!
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 05:43:02 pm
Quote from: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 02, 2011, 05:30:55 pm
Quote from: walkonby on February 02, 2011, 05:21:14 pm
i'm curious tmul . . . what bands do you worship and find to be the shit shit?

Bands with competent drummers and songwriters who can write songs with more than three chords.

I believe it was Stephen Malkmus who once posited the theory of mediocre drummer vs great drummers.   I agreed 100%

Basically, it was that the better a drummer got in a band, the worse the band got.

Some of the examples Malkmus used was R.E.M. and Husker Du.

Some of my examples are the fact that Rush is one of the most God-awful bands ever.  They're in Springsteen range.  And Neil Peart is supposed to be drummer god...blah blah blah.

Guns N Roses.  Technically, Matt Sorum is a much better drummer than Steven Adler.  But they SWUNG with Adler. 

I think people who think Meg White is a crappy drummer are ignorant.  Because some people think Charlie Watts is a crappy drummer, too.

Brian
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Relaxer on February 02, 2011, 05:50:55 pm
(http://www.hitsusa.com/1-good-ones/meg-white-breasts.jpg)(http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/meg-white_55753.jpg)

RIP Meg's Cans
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 02, 2011, 06:04:38 pm
Quote from: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 05:43:02 pm
I think people who think Meg White is a crappy drummer are ignorant.
Brian

Thank you, Brian but still I think she's a crappy drummer... and I still love you.  :-*  ;D

Besides, I'm much more impressed with Jack's package than Meg's shakers.  ;)
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 02, 2011, 06:31:30 pm
Jack White's best work are

1. White Blood Cells
2. The Go

Bonus: The recordings he did with The Hetchmen

and to prove how un-hip i am, i had no idea until well after the fact that Jack White was in The Go and I'm fairly certain I talked to him at the Black Cat when they played there.

The White Stripes best show would have been at the 9:30 Club for WBCs, it was pre-ego inflation and he was still a bit ah-shucks about the attention.   Post WBCs his output has been mediocre  except for the occasional great single.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: wml7 on February 02, 2011, 07:02:10 pm
Don't worry guys they will get back together and play some major festival, just like every other band that has broke up  ;D
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: snailhook on February 02, 2011, 07:07:24 pm
Quote
I believe it was Stephen Malkmus who once posited the theory of mediocre drummer vs great drummers.   I agreed 100%

Basically, it was that the better a drummer got in a band, the worse the band got.

Some of the examples Malkmus used was R.E.M. and Husker Du.

Some of my examples are the fact that Rush is one of the most God-awful bands ever.  They're in Springsteen range.  And Neil Peart is supposed to be drummer god...blah blah blah.

Guns N Roses.  Technically, Matt Sorum is a much better drummer than Steven Adler.  But they SWUNG with Adler.

I think people who think Meg White is a crappy drummer are ignorant.  Because some people think Charlie Watts is a crappy drummer, too.

Brian

this is a load of horseshit. maybe malkmus liked having mediocre drummers -- hello, steve west -- to avoid being upstaged. and i'm saying this as a pavement fan (at least up to 1995 since i'm a hipster who only likes each band's first three albums before anybody else "got them").

husker du's last album didn't suck because grant hart became a better drummer. it sucked because the songwriting was bad, and grant and bob hated each other at that point. musicianship has nothing to do with it. bill berry getting better at drums didn't make REM worse; michael stipe's pretention did.

as for that ignorant rush comment, i don't even know what to say. you might not like rush because of geddy lee's shrieky vocals, but to deny their talents as musicians is downright retarded. i'm not even coming from a technical masturbatory stance, either. it is no question that they are extremely capable musicians; what makes rush's best work (1975-1982) palatable is that they actually know how to write a pop song within "progressive" contexts. admittedly, i'm a drummer, and for the most part i like what peart does, except for his egregious use of rototoms. the guy can still hold a groove with anybody.

charlie watts (who was a trained jazz drummer, btw) is a terrific drummer because he's like a human metronome, always right in the pocket and never flashy.  meg white is the opposite of that.  however, for the white stripes, her lack of ability never bothered me too much, though she may have hindered the band from going to certain places. probably why jack formed two other bands, as better vehicles for his songs that wouldn't work in the white stripes.

my take on the stripes is that, due to my blatant hipsterism (confirmed by my love for rush), i liked their first two or three albums but thought they got boring and by 2003 i didn't really care whether they existed or not. i saw them a few times in '99-'01 and they put on a good show. jack has a great voice and he's a decent guitarist. personally, i don't care much for the raconteurs or dead weather, but nothing i've heard from him is downright terrible, it just doesn't hit me.  the white stripes were one of the better mainstream bands of the past decade.

as for azaghal's comment, 3000 is excessive.  it's probably more like 30 garage bands in detroit and 300 in memphis that are better.  :P

Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 07:20:33 pm

The last refuge of hipster musical nerds is "musicianship." 

Great muscianship has NOTHING to do with great music. 

Proof:

Rush.

Q.E.D.

But, no....really.  Please regale us about this one drum solo.....you saw Peart do.....this one time....on the Moving Pictures tour......  I'm sure we'd all be fascinated.

(http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drumpics24/neilpeart1.jpg)

Brian
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Mobius on February 02, 2011, 07:22:24 pm
The White Stripes were all about chemistry.  And architecture.  And craftmanship.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: wml7 on February 02, 2011, 07:38:52 pm
Quote from: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 07:20:33 pm

The last refuge of hipster musical nerds is "musicianship." 

Great muscianship has NOTHING to do with great music. 

Proof:

Rush.

Q.E.D.

But, no....really.  Please regale us about this one drum solo.....you saw Peart do.....this one time....on the Moving Pictures tour......  I'm sure we'd all be fascinated.

(http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drumpics24/neilpeart1.jpg)

Brian


(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:623hjtgsp0x0gM:)
 ;D
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: James Ford on February 02, 2011, 09:17:08 pm
I guess we just have differing definitions of "hipster".

My guess is that maybe 1% of the American population even know who bands like GBV, Sleater Kinny and Luna are. The fact that you like them, and probably numerous other bands of that semi-obscure ilk, makes you a hipster. An aging hipster, but a hipster all the same.


http://www.mrhipster.com/music/g.html

http://www.mrhipster.com/music/s.html


Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:53:35 pm
Quote from: James Ford on February 02, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
You say that likes it's some kind of insult. In the grand scheme of things, most people on here are "hipsters". You included. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:19:08 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 03:02:15 pm
Shhhh....you'll be called names on here for not caring!


hipster?  ::)




I'm hip for sure but I ain't no "hipster"!.. .I'm loyal to my bands. I don't like them for their first album and 15 minutes of fame and then when others catch on go "Oh, they WERE great back when only I knew about 'em.. but now...fuggedaboutit".. You see that kind of shit on this board all the friggin' time....Phoenix comes to mind ("Oh, the Rock and Roll Hotel that was it man, Constitution Hall..what a downer mahn..") its cool..I laugh about it actually.. it amuses me ...peeps thinking they're cool..trying to out-cool each other...

Bands like Ween, Luna, GBV, ACDC, Stones, Smithereens, Sleater, Outer Body Llama (DC's best band that you "hip" cats refuse to listen to..back in the day they weren't Dischord enough.. now they ain't Brooklyn enough..it never ends).. guys like Dylan, Jack White...  I'll support them forever... I'm open to whatever they want to do... I don't go "Oh, they are too old" or some crap like that...I'm loyal.

Like I said.. I may be hip but I ain't no hipster.. the hipster enjoys the feeling he gets from thinking he's ahead of the crowd; somehow superior and better... once he doesn't have that feeling he's got to move on, differentiate himself from the crowd, and in fact put down the crowd (and by extension the artist)...I couldn't care less what the crowd thinks: whether they are for or against an artist... thats what being truly hip is... btw

We've had a million examples of this "hipsterism" which is really nothing more than being a poseur.. to the poseur Pearl Jam was great when you could see them in some shitty club and they could barely play their instruments... now if two of their band members are in a side project and coming to the Black Cat today well thats just a "nineties" thing ..its a bad thing cause its "old"... I think thats utter bunk..

But carry on children.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: wml7 on February 02, 2011, 09:19:19 pm
I is be no hipster  ;D
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: hutch on February 02, 2011, 09:27:24 pm
Interestingly for those at the Patriot Center show in 07.. there were only three more White Stripes concerts after that.. then the tour was canceled and that was all she wrote.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: wml7 on February 02, 2011, 09:39:59 pm
Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 09:27:24 pm
Interestingly for those at the Patriot Center show in 07.. there were only three more White Stripes concerts after that.. then the tour was canceled and that was all she wrote.

I too was at that Patriot center show and saw them at Bonnaroo, I think the year before.  I still have yet to see The Dead Weather  ;D
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 09:47:04 pm
Man! I wouldn't have made that joke yesterday if I knew it'd cause you to pour your guts out the way you did earlier. Sorry but as Snailhook did say above, some bands do decline. And it has nothing to do with who supported those bands when; it's the bands themselves. Yes, Ween, Sleater Kinney and GBV as well as Sonic Youth, Sun City Girls (most underrated band ever?), Superchunk and The Mountain Goats to name some others do/did remain solid to great while others just started putting out music of inferior quality and never recovered (White Stripes, Pavement, Husker Du). Calling someone a "hipster" because they acknowledge this is...umm...I don't know what it is.


P.S. That's so 90's! Coming to your town soon!
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 10:34:33 pm
Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 09:27:24 pm
Interestingly for those at the Patriot Center show in 07.. there were only three more White Stripes concerts after that.. then the tour was canceled and that was all she wrote.

I was there, too.  I happen to think they're EXCELLENT.  MUCH worth the hype.  And live......yes, please.  But it was one of those...should I REALLY drive hundreds of miles to see them two times in 24 hours?  Isn't that venturing into "I'm a dork and have no life" territory?  And they were really good at the Patriot Center and I never want to be one of those people who's like "Oh, you should have seen at X, they were a LOT better than they were at Y" but they were also REALLY good in Delaware the night before at the Opera House.  I mean REALLY good.

Brian
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: sweetcell on February 02, 2011, 10:39:41 pm
wow.  brian wrote something positive.  somewhat passionately.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 02, 2011, 10:45:27 pm
Well said... Am I hipster because I once was a huge Ben Folds Five fan, but now think he absolutely stinks?  Talk about a rapid decline....  How about thinking that Amy Winehouse is a talentless hack, along with the numerous clones that followed her.

How about all the diehard Stone Roses fans who went incensed when their second record came out, which in hindsight was way ahead of time considering the current crop of Led Zep influenced British Bands.

Now granted I have hipster tendencies given most indie rock makes my skin crawl these days, and I'm finding continued inspiration in deep cut soul music and retro soul/funk acts not produced by Mick Ronson.

And while I couldn't be bother to see Phoenix a DAR, I do believe I'm granted a pass having DJed two of their 930 shows prior the RNRH show.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: wml7 on February 02, 2011, 10:50:06 pm
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/10/hipsterkitteh128549269277019326.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 02, 2011, 11:40:27 pm
Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 09:27:24 pm
Interestingly for those at the Patriot Center show in 07.. there were only three more White Stripes concerts after that.. then the tour was canceled and that was all she wrote.
Oh snap! Time to get that shirt from my ex...
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on February 03, 2011, 01:22:43 am
over/under on reunion tour?  i give them 3 years.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: teepo on February 03, 2011, 01:38:05 am
The White Stripes were one of my favorite bands in the very very early 2000's. after elephant though, they had trouble progressing their sound, and knowing how much of an idealist/extremist Jack White is, he would never try to expand what he created with Meg White, even if it was within her ability to do so or not.

a damn shame. oh well. it was well overdue.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 03, 2011, 07:05:55 am
I'm curious as to what Jack's next project will be, given Brendan Benson is working on a solo record, The Kills have a new record and probable tour to do and Dean F. is gearing up to record the next QOTSA album.

As far as I'm concerned he can put The Dead Weather of it's misery and wake me up when The Raconteurs release something other than grade B 70s rock.  How about a little MC5/Big Star hybrid...

What he probably needs to do is go back to Detroit and do something at Ghetto Recorders or with Matt Smith (Outrageous Cherry) but those bridges have been burned to a crisp.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: walkonby on February 03, 2011, 09:20:53 am
here's hoping he doesn't try to direct, ala rob zombie. 
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 03, 2011, 10:11:20 am
Quote from: kosmo vinyl on February 02, 2011, 10:45:27 pm
How about all the diehard Stone Roses fans who went incensed when their second record came out, which in hindsight was way ahead of time considering the current crop of Led Zep influenced British Bands.

I, for one, prefer the first pressing of their first album because it didn't contain "Fool's Gold". How's that for hipster?

It's really because "Fool's Gold" sucks.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: reggie on February 03, 2011, 10:23:13 am
The Meg White is a bad drummer conversation is so tired. I really could care less about musicianship. How many of you guys own Yngwie Malmsteen records?
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 03, 2011, 10:25:38 am
(wanders off to remove beets off Xmas card list)
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: nkotb on February 03, 2011, 10:29:29 am
I'm with you there, but I think the conversation can go both ways, especially for people that immediately count something out BECAUSE it's complicated, etc.

I think the link needs to be draw at pretension, rather than precision.

Quote from: reggie on February 03, 2011, 10:23:13 am
The Meg White is a bad drummer conversation is so tired. I really could care less about musicianship. How many of you guys own Yngwie Malmsteen records?
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Relaxer on February 03, 2011, 11:41:36 am
Boy that Jimmy Page sure was a great guitar player.
What an asshole
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 03, 2011, 12:22:52 pm
Quote from: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 05:43:02 pm
Basically, it was that the better a drummer got in a band, the worse the band got.

Great call. Tool sucks and Soundgarden sucks because they have phenomenal drummers. Rush? Awful...because of Neil Peart.

Consider the source when it comes to Malkmus.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Mobius on February 03, 2011, 12:44:20 pm
Whatever her limitations, meg white perfectly counterbalanced jack white.  Rooted in psychological rather than technical.

Stone Roses were also amazingly balanced on the first album.  No matter what direction anyone went it was all amazingly cohesive.  That balance was gone on Second Coming.  Reni and Ian Brown seemed diminished and the Zeppelin riffs were a coked up monster laying waste to everything in their sight.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Relaxer on February 03, 2011, 12:50:29 pm
Stone Roses debut is in my all-time top ten. Its almost a perfect album.

Second Coming really sogs in comparison, but on its own, its a pretty good heavy guitar record. There's some crap on there, and the 4:30 intro to Breaking Into Heaven is supremely retarded. But Squire is a shithot guitar player and I love some of those songs. Driving South, 10 Story Love Song, Begging You, Tightrope and Love Spreads are good.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Brian_Wallace on February 03, 2011, 01:22:51 pm
Quote from: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 03, 2011, 12:22:52 pm
Quote from: Brian_Wallace on February 02, 2011, 05:43:02 pm
Basically, it was that the better a drummer got in a band, the worse the band got.

Great call. Tool sucks and Soundgarden sucks because they have phenomenal drummers. Rush? Awful...because of Neil Peart.

Consider the source when it comes to Malkmus.

Tool DOES suck!  Hard!   Wait a minute!   Soundgardern....Tool....Rush....  Listen Ten Thousand Made-Up Lovers, I'm really sorry your group of friends can no longer find time to come over and play Dungeons and Dragons with you anymore.  And, YES, they DID take advantage of all the hard work you put into being Dungeon Master.  But some of them have jobs now...and lives.

Brian
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Mobius on February 03, 2011, 01:52:57 pm
Nirvana improved with a better drummer. 
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: ggw on February 03, 2011, 01:54:31 pm
I own Rising Force. I even felt the fucking fury in person.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Brian_Wallace on February 03, 2011, 02:06:15 pm
Quote from: ggw on February 03, 2011, 01:54:31 pm
I own Rising Force. I even felt the fucking fury in person.

Ygnwie Who?

Brian
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on February 03, 2011, 04:18:06 pm
^^^ You need to be institutionalized.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 03, 2011, 05:22:13 pm
10 Other Bands Who Should Also Break Up (http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/02/10_bands_who_should_break_up.php)

*I took the liberty of correcting the title.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Relaxer on February 03, 2011, 05:30:53 pm
Quote from: Jaguar on February 03, 2011, 05:22:13 pm
10 Other Bands Who Should Also Break Up (http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/02/10_bands_who_should_break_up.php)

*I took the liberty of correcting the title.

Fun enough read but c'mon, the Postal Service? That's like saying the Dukes of Stratosphear should break up. And the Smith Westerns just released a great album. I know their inclusion was tongue-in-cheek but they still shouldn't be on the list. And listing Odd Future just makes the guy look stupid.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Jaguar on February 03, 2011, 06:00:44 pm
^ Relaxer, I didn't take that list all that seriously. In fact, I agree with you regarding The Postal Service and there was some other band I'd never heard of but figured that was on me for not knowing them. Now, if I wanted to be serious about this, I'd make my own list... and Aerosmith (however they spell it) would be included.
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Mobius on February 03, 2011, 09:25:04 pm
The Strokes are officially on the clock to justify their continued existence.  Can they do it?

Interpol
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: Mobius on February 10, 2011, 04:27:03 pm
Quote from: Mobius on February 03, 2011, 09:25:04 pm
The Strokes are officially on the clock to justify their continued existence.  Can they do it?



After hearing new song, I'd say mission accomplished
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: ggw on February 18, 2011, 12:09:14 pm
Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:53:35 pm
Quote from: James Ford on February 02, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
You say that likes it's some kind of insult. In the grand scheme of things, most people on here are "hipsters". You included. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Quote from: hutch on February 02, 2011, 03:19:08 pm
Quote from: azaghal1981 on February 02, 2011, 03:02:15 pm
Shhhh....you'll be called names on here for not caring!


hipster?  ::)




I'm hip for sure but I ain't no "hipster"!.. .I'm loyal to my bands. I don't like them for their first album and 15 minutes of fame and then when others catch on go "Oh, they WERE great back when only I knew about 'em.. but now...fuggedaboutit".. You see that kind of shit on this board all the friggin' time....Phoenix comes to mind ("Oh, the Rock and Roll Hotel that was it man, Constitution Hall..what a downer mahn..") its cool..I laugh about it actually.. it amuses me ...peeps thinking they're cool..trying to out-cool each other...

Bands like Ween, Luna, GBV, ACDC, Stones, Smithereens, Sleater, Outer Body Llama (DC's best band that you "hip" cats refuse to listen to..back in the day they weren't Dischord enough.. now they ain't Brooklyn enough..it never ends).. guys like Dylan, Jack White...  I'll support them forever... I'm open to whatever they want to do... I don't go "Oh, they are too old" or some crap like that...I'm loyal.

Like I said.. I may be hip but I ain't no hipster.. the hipster enjoys the feeling he gets from thinking he's ahead of the crowd; somehow superior and better... once he doesn't have that feeling he's got to move on, differentiate himself from the crowd, and in fact put down the crowd (and by extension the artist)...I couldn't care less what the crowd thinks: whether they are for or against an artist... thats what being truly hip is... btw

We've had a million examples of this "hipsterism" which is really nothing more than being a poseur.. to the poseur Pearl Jam was great when you could see them in some shitty club and they could barely play their instruments... now if two of their band members are in a side project and coming to the Black Cat today well thats just a "nineties" thing ..its a bad thing cause its "old"... I think thats utter bunk..

But carry on children.

The Hipster in the Mirror (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/books/review/Greif-t.html)
By MARK GREIF
A  year ago, my colleagues and I started to investigate the contemporary hipster. What was the ?hipster,? and what did it mean to be one? It was a puzzle. No one, it seemed, thought of himself as a hipster, and when someone called you a hipster, the term was an insult. Paradoxically, those who used the insult were themselves often said to resemble hipsters ? they wore the skinny jeans and big eyeglasses, gathered in tiny enclaves in big cities, and looked down on mainstream fashions and ?tourists.? Most puzzling was how rattled sensible, down-to-earth people became when we posed hipster-themed questions. When we announced a public debate on hipsterism, I received e-mail messages both furious and plaintive. Normally inquisitive people protested that there could be no answer and no definition. Maybe hipsters didn?t exist! The responses were more impassioned than those we?d had in our discussions on health care, young conservatives and feminism. And perfectly blameless individuals began flagellating themselves: ?Am I a hipster??

I wondered if I could guess the root of their pain. It?s a superficial topic, yet it seemed that so much was at stake. Why? Because struggles over taste (and ?taste? is the hipster?s primary currency) are never only about taste. I began to wish that everyone I talked to had read just one book to give these fraught debates a frame: ?Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste,? by Pierre Bourdieu.

A French sociologist who died in 2002 at age 71, Bourdieu is sometimes wrongly associated with postmodern philosophers. But he did share with other post-1968 French thinkers a wish to show that lofty philosophical ideals couldn?t be separated from the conflicts of everyday life. Subculture had not been his area, precisely, but neither would hipsters have been beneath his notice.

He came from a family of peasants in the foothills of the Pyrenees. His father was elevated by a job in the village post office ? although he always emphasized that he had attained his position by being neither better nor different. Pierre, as a child, was elevated yet more drastically by the school system. He so distinguished himself in the classroom that he was carried to studies at the École Normale Supérieure in Paris. This was the pinnacle of French intellect, the path of Sartre and Maurice Merleau-Ponty.

Yet Bourdieu chose to make it his life?s work to debunk the powerful classes? pretensions that they were more deserving of authority or wealth than those below. He aimed his critiques first at his own class of elites ? professors and intellectuals ? then at the media, the political class and the propertied class.

?Distinction,? published in 1979, was an undisputed masterwork. In it, Bourdieu set out to show the social logic of taste: how admiration for art, appreciation of music, even taste in food, came about for different groups, and how ?superior? taste was not the result of an enchanted superiority in scattered individuals.

This may seem a long way from Wellington-booted and trucker-hatted American youth in gentrifying neighborhoods. But Bourdieu?s innovation, applicable here, was to look beyond the traditional trappings of rich or poor to see battles of symbols (like those boots and hats) traversing all society, reinforcing the class structure just as money did.

Over several years in the 1960s, Bourdieu and his researchers surveyed 1,200 people of all classes and mined government data on aspects of French domestic life. They asked, for instance, Which of the following subjects would be most likely to make a beautiful photograph? and offered such choices as a sunset, a girl with a cat or a car crash. From government dietary research, they took data on the classic question: Do you think French people eat too much? The statistical results were striking. The things you prefer ? tastes that you like to think of as personal, unique, justified only by sensibility ? correspond tightly to defining measures of social class: your profession, your highest degree and your father?s profession.

The power of Bourdieu?s statistics was to show how rigid and arbitrary the local conformities were. In American terms, he was like an updater of Thorstein Veblen, who gave us the idea of ?conspicuous consumption.? College teachers and artists, unusual in believing that a beautiful photo could be made from a car crash, began to look conditioned to that taste, rather than sophisticated or deep. White-collar workers who defined themselves by their proclivity to eat only light foods ? as opposed to farmworkers, who weren?t ashamed to treat themselves to ?both cheese and a dessert? ? seemed not more refined, but merely more conventional.

Taste is not stable and peaceful, but a means of strategy and competition. Those superior in wealth use it to pretend they are superior in spirit. Groups closer in social class who yet draw their status from different sources use taste and its attainments to disdain one another and get a leg up. These conflicts for social dominance through culture are exactly what drive the dynamics within communities whose members are regarded as hipsters.

Once you take the Bourdieuian view, you can see how hipster neighborhoods are crossroads where young people from different origins, all crammed together, jockey for social gain. One hipster subgroup?s strategy is to disparage others as ?liberal arts college grads with too much time on their hands?; the attack is leveled at the children of the upper middle class who move to cities after college with hopes of working in the ?creative professions.? These hipsters are instantly declassed, reservoired in abject internships and ignored in the urban hierarchy ? but able to use college-taught skills of classification, collection and appreciation to generate a superior body of cultural ?cool.?

They, in turn, may malign the ?trust fund hipsters.? This challenges the philistine wealthy who, possessed of money but not the nose for culture, convert real capital into ?cultural capital? (Bourdieu?s most famous coinage), acquiring subculture as if it were ready-to-wear. (Think of Paris Hilton in her trucker hat.)

Both groups, meanwhile, look down on the couch-­surfing, old-clothes-wearing hipsters who seem most authentic but are also often the most socially precarious ? the lower-middle-class young, moving up through style, but with no backstop of parental culture or family capital. They are the bartenders and boutique clerks who wait on their well-to-do peers and wealthy tourists. Only on the basis of their cool clothes can they be ?superior?: hipster knowledge compensates for economic immobility.

All hipsters play at being the inventors or first adopters of novelties: pride comes from knowing, and deciding, what?s cool in advance of the rest of the world. Yet the habits of hatred and accusation are endemic to hipsters because they feel the weakness of everyone?s position ? including their own. Proving that someone is trying desperately to boost himself instantly undoes him as an opponent. He?s a fake, while you are a natural aristocrat of taste. That?s why ?He?s not for real, he?s just a hipster? is a potent insult among all the people identifiable as hipsters themselves.

The attempt to analyze the hipster provokes such universal anxiety because it calls everyone?s bluff. And hipsters aren?t the only ones unnerved. Many of us try to justify our privileges by pretending that our superb tastes and intellect prove we deserve them, reflecting our inner superiority. Those below us economically, the reasoning goes, don?t appreciate what we do; similarly, they couldn?t fill our jobs, handle our wealth or survive our difficulties. Of course this is a terrible lie. And Bourdieu devoted his life to exposing it. Those who read him in effect become responsible to him ? forced to admit a failure to examine our own lives, down to the seeming trivialities of clothes and distinction that, as Bourdieu revealed, also structure our world.

Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: noon30 on March 09, 2011, 06:19:10 pm
I'm kinda bummed to have found this out.... but I guess all things happen for a reason..
Title: Re: White Stripes No More
Post by: sweetcell on March 24, 2011, 06:52:40 pm
to add to ggw's essay:

The Word "Hipster" Shall Always Be With Us
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/March-2011/The-Word-Hipster-Shall-Always-Be-With-Us/