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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: nkotb on June 06, 2005, 05:20:00 pm
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Aside from the obvious two (peace on Earth and infinite wishes), I'd wish for Markie to clear out his PM box.
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Oh, are you going to take me to lunch?
I'll empty it tomorrow. I need to go and get dressed up for erasure!
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I wish for Dave Grohl to see that his chance for happiness lies with me...
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I would wish that teachers got paid more, so I could afford a house...
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I'd wish that teachers could be paid more, so I could pay my mortgage, and live a rock n' roll lifestyle.
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I'd wish that teachers would quit bitch'n about how little they get paid....even though they only work 9 months out of the year, then with 'professional days, snow days and all the other bullshit days' they really only work about 6 months of the year, so are really quite well paid considering.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
I'd wish that teachers would quit bitch'n about how little they get paid....even though they only work 9 months out of the year, then with 'professional days, snow days and all the other bullshit days' they really only work about 6 months of the year, so are really quite well paid considering.
I wish that you would have to teach in a real school system for a year so that you could see how wrong that you are. It would be extemely eye opening and shocking for you. It's nothing whatsoever like it was when we were kids and teachers work many, many, many hours beyond student time in school. Not to mention all kinds of other crap and abuses they have to put up with. It's much longer than 9 months and 8 hours per day. Also, tons of mandatory continued education on the teacher's own time and often at their own expense. (BTW, it's 10 months and they are not paid for the other 2 and aren't allowed to collect unemployment for that time unlike all other seasonal workers.) You obviously have no fucking clue.
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I'd wish for the NHL to start playing again.
I'd wish for the NBA to STOP playing.
and is getting rid of Montreal completely too much to ask?
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
I'd wish that teachers would quit bitch'n about how little they get paid....even though they only work 9 months out of the year, then with 'professional days, snow days and all the other bullshit days' they really only work about 6 months of the year, so are really quite well paid considering.
but with all the time you spend on the Message board, you probably get paid more still...
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I was hoping to. Maybe later this week? Either Thursday or Friday work well for me, although I have new Time Off Nazi watching my every move, so a long lunch might have to wait a bit.
Originally posted by canker-blossom:
Oh, are you going to take me to lunch?
I'll empty it tomorrow. I need to go and get dressed up for erasure!
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I cleared my PMs. But Friday would be great as I could cram in a couple of beers.... I'll be cycling home. I need to drive every day apart from Friday, this week.
If you dont have long we could always go to Ri Ra.....
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
I'd wish for the NHL to start playing again.
I'd wish for the NBA to STOP playing.
I'd agree with both of those, but I must admit, even though I don't like the NBA, seeing the Pistons win stuff does make me Detroit pride rise a bit.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
I'd wish that teachers would quit bitch'n about how little they get paid....even though they only work 9 months out of the year, then with 'professional days, snow days and all the other bullshit days' they really only work about 6 months of the year, so are really quite well paid considering.
That is such a freaking misinformed opinion. Given the amount of responsibility they have and the difficult of the job they do, I think they're grossly underpaid.
6 months? Are you f**king serious? I hazard a guess that their work days are longer than a standard 8 hr workday, that they work weekends, that they are required to work school events without pay, and on top of that, they have to put up with all sorts of crap from kids with no respect for them.
Argh.
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I agree on the teachers pay (as in they should get more), but who works an 8 hour day? I haven't, ever, and have numerous "out of hours" events and responsibilities I have to cover that I don't get, quote unquote, paid for....you actually do get paid for it because it's part of your job (unless you're working on an hourly basis and they really don't pay you for covering a PTA meeting or whatever). Just noting that, especially in DC, office jobs aren't necessarily play time either and your job is what it is...I'd assume a teacher's job description includes parent-teacher meetings, etc.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
I'd wish for the NHL to start playing again.
I'd wish for the NBA to STOP playing.
and is getting rid of Montreal completely too much to ask?
Haha! Excellent. I'll go with the first two - though I have to admit the wife (who is from the Detroit area) has gotten me into the Pistons post-season. I'll actually watch the last five minutes of the game (which is about 2 hrs running time).
But can we at least save parts of Westmount? Some of my favorite pubs are near St Catherine and Peel. The rest of Quebec can go to hell in a handbasket.
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Bah. My sister teaches 8th grade in a public school and makes some decent coin. Do whatever job you wanna do, but for christ's sake, shut up about the pay.
You picked the career, and everyone knows that the pay isn't great, so don't piss and moan because you don't get paid enough. You've got arguably the most influential labor union in America behind you. If they're not getting it done, vote your leadership out.
I've honestly never understood this. This "teachers don't make enough" shit has been going on since I was a kid. Since I graduated HS in 1988, I figure people who like to work with children have had ample time to determine a different career path.
Maybe if enough of you decided against teaching, then people would recognize how valuable you are, and supply/demand would kick in. But nope... every year, more self-seen martyrs churn themselves out of the colleges, acting like they're answering some kind of calling, and bitching about the pay all the way to the grave.
Does it suck? Absolutely, and I vote for salary increases for teachers and more $$$ for schools every time a measure comes up. But if you don't like working outside, maybe you shouldn't become a construction worker. Don't like getting shot at? The Army's a bad move. And if you want a high-paying job, clearly public education isn't where you should be.
I'd expect someone responsible for educating children to be able to make the deduction.
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Originally posted by Bags:
I agree on the teachers pay (as in they should get more), but who works an 8 hour day? I haven't, ever, and have numerous "out of hours" events and responsibilities I have to cover that I don't get, quote unquote, paid for....you actually do get paid for it because it's part of your job (unless you're working on an hourly basis and they really don't pay you for covering a PTA meeting or whatever). Just noting that, especially in DC, office jobs aren't necessarily play time either and your job is what it is...I'd assume a teacher's job description includes parent-teacher meetings, etc.
True. Any salaried worker has to do the work in the job description, which may mean that some of it happens outside the traditional 9-5 window. Any in the case of teachers, stuff like meetings with parents falls in that category.
My point was that you can't just calculate the total amount of work by multiplying teaching hours by teaching days to come up with some lame estimate of the amount of work teachers do. There is much more to a teacher's job description than getting in front of a class.
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Bah. My sister teaches 8th grade in a public school and makes some decent coin. Do whatever job you wanna do, but for christ's sake, shut up about the pay.
I'm not a teacher. Never have been. So I'm not bitching about it. I'm trying to correct the perception that some people have that teachers have it easy. They don't. They work hard and I think they deserve more pay.
I think we're on the same boat. Just want you to understand where I'm coming from.
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I believe that children are the future, teach them well and let them lead the way.
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Originally posted by canker-blossom:
I believe that children are the future, teach them well and let them lead the way.
Are you practicing for the Miss America pageant?
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YES!
As Miss America my three wishes are that we never talk about how tough it is to be a teacher, ipods or anything apple related, on the board again. Oh and for the 3rd wish, bigger boobs.
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My first wish would be that studios must release all of the good movies from the 60s-80s(for example, why hasn't Lindsay Anderson's masterpiece 'IF' been released to DVD???) on DVD, before they release any more films starring any of the following actors:
Lindsay Lohan, Adam Sandler, Rob Scheider, either Olsen twin sibling, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow, Jet Li, Cedric the Entertainer, or any comic-book superhero...with the possible exception of Powdered Toast Man.
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No excitement for the fantastic 4?
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Bah. My sister teaches 8th grade in a public school and makes some decent coin. Do whatever job you wanna do, but for christ's sake, shut up about the pay.
YEAH! dont bitch about your pay!! just take what they give you and shut up about it!
you wanna come work for me?
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Bah. My sister teaches 8th grade in a public school and makes some decent coin. Do whatever job you wanna do, but for christ's sake, shut up about the pay.
You picked the career, and everyone knows that the pay isn't great, so don't piss and moan because you don't get paid enough. You've got arguably the most influential labor union in America behind you. If they're not getting it done, vote your leadership out.
I've honestly never understood this. This "teachers don't make enough" shit has been going on since I was a kid. Since I graduated HS in 1988, I figure people who like to work with children have had ample time to determine a different career path.
Maybe if enough of you decided against teaching, then people would recognize how valuable you are, and supply/demand would kick in. But nope... every year, more self-seen martyrs churn themselves out of the colleges, acting like they're answering some kind of calling, and bitching about the pay all the way to the grave.
Does it suck? Absolutely, and I vote for salary increases for teachers and more $$$ for schools every time a measure comes up. But if you don't like working outside, maybe you shouldn't become a construction worker. Don't like getting shot at? The Army's a bad move. And if you want a high-paying job, clearly public education isn't where you should be.
I'd expect someone responsible for educating children to be able to make the deduction.
i think this post deserves a "you're a real fucking asshole"
at least these teachers are bithing about thier pay, instead of bitching about other people bitching....which is what were just doing...
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i think this post deserves a "you're a real fucking asshole"
at least these teachers are bithing about thier pay, instead of bitching about other people bitching....which is what were just doing...
Wait a second....
Aren't you just bitching about people bitching about other people bitching?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Wait a second....
Aren't you just bitching about people bitching about other people bitching?
no, i wasnt bitching.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Aren't you just bitching about people bitching about other people bitching?
no, i wasnt bitching. [/b]
bitch!
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
bitch!
Thank god that wasn't a "Bee-otch"....when is THAT little trend gonna fuckin' end.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i think this post deserves a "you're a real fucking asshole"[/b]
Thanks! Man, some people are too easy. ZING!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
YEAH! dont bitch about your pay!! just take what they give you and shut up about it!
you wanna come work for me?
Did I miss a meeting? They're not indentured are they? I mean... presumably they were free to choose their career path.
And sure, I'll come work for you. If you don't meet my salary requirements I'll take another job. See how easy that was?
[chuckling] Sooooo easy. Hey, you know who else sucks? Firemen!
rowr, ROWR!!!
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Oh, with my third wish I'd wish for endless amounts of money to be able to pay the teachers all the money they keep bitching about not getting.....but tell them to fuck off and give it to the nurses instead because they're so much more deserving and underpaid
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Salaries of local first-year teachers:
Fairfax: $40,000
Arlington: $40,816
Montgomery: $40,816
Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/26/AR2005052601788_pf.html)
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can we get some of the middle class counties' numbers? lets try Baltimore city! i bet its not $40k.
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http://www.udel.edu/teachered/teachersalaries.htm (http://www.udel.edu/teachered/teachersalaries.htm)
LOL. It's in Maryland, by the way.
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Staff Nurse - RN the United States
25th%ile - $51,334
Median - $56,435
75th%ile - $60,979
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
but tell them to fuck off and give it to the nurses instead because they're so much more deserving and underpaid
Now that's the truth. My previous job was as a compensation consultant. I did a lot of work with hospitals. I was shocked at how little most healthcare professionals make. So then my father gets admitted to the hospital & I'm sitting there watching these people come in & perform lifesaving procedures on my Dad thinking ~ he's making $25k a year...and then I think we've got salespeople in my organization making $100k. WRONG.
(did that make ANY sense? I've been reading too much FLAWD)
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as high school student i must say teacher deserve a lot more pay. i see what they have to go through...it looks like hell. i could never do it.
that being said, pay is the one thing they seem to always want more of. it is annoying to hear "pay the teachers more" all the time.
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Originally posted by brennser:
Staff Nurse - RN the United States
25th%ile - $51,334
Median - $56,435
75th%ile - $60,979
That looks REALLY high. 2 years ago the median for all US organizations was only ~ $43k. CRNAs (Nurse Anesthetists) are an exception - paid VERY nicely.
Those salary.com type numbers are often misleadingly high. While they may have improved somewhat recently you have to be very careful & consider the:
Primary purpose of the data
Target customers for the data
The underlying database (data sources)
Methodology used to gather and analyze data
That'll be $350 - my old billing rate per hour. Sick huh?
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I read a story recently about a couple in which the husband cut back on his hours in order to take care of his daughter because he was an anesthesiology nurse and his wife was a doctor (an anesthesiologist). He was making $150K before he cut back. Doesn't sound bad to me...
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I'll tell you, the RNs run the f'ing hospitals. Okay, I know, we need doctors, but I spent a lot of time in hospitals almost 10 years ago -- thank god for the frickin' nurses.
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What torques me about schools is that these friggin' idiots keep wanting to add computers and other crap that sops up all the money. Teach english, don't have a friggin' computer do it. In my county (Howard) housing values have shot up. The taxes off the houses is what they use to fund education. That has shot up too. They still complain they need more. Why? Because they squander what they have on crap. If teachers with to be paid more, they should get all these b.s. extras knocked out so that there is more in that pool of money for themselves.
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yes, you have to be careful with data sources btu I don't think this is too far off base
where the comparison is more difficult is that ggw listed starting salaries for teachers whereas these data represent all RN salaries and are skewed by the fact that the nursing workforce is very very old with alot of nurses making high hourly rates
based on my admittedly non-random sample of friends and family who are nurses I would say these numbers are in the ballpark for base salary for RNs in HOSPITALS - of course they all 'take home' far more than this due to overtime, shift differentials etc
if you are even a moderately competent nurse in this country and are willing to work nights or weekends you can easily pull down 100k a year
Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Originally posted by brennser:
Staff Nurse - RN the United States
25th%ile - $51,334
Median - $56,435
75th%ile - $60,979
That looks REALLY high. 2 years ago the median for all US organizations was only ~ $43k. CRNAs (Nurse Anesthetists) are an exception - paid VERY nicely.
Those salary.com type numbers are often misleadingly high. While they may have improved somewhat recently you have to be very careful & consider the:
Primary purpose of the data
Target customers for the data
The underlying database (data sources)
Methodology used to gather and analyze data
That'll be $350 - my old billing rate per hour. Sick huh? [/b]
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Originally posted by brennser:
if you are even a moderately competent nurse in this country and are willing to work nights or weekends you can easily pull down 100k a year
Yeah, that is the impression I got from talking to a few American nurses.
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
http://www.udel.edu/teachered/teachersalaries.htm (http://www.udel.edu/teachered/teachersalaries.htm)
LOL. It's in Maryland, by the way.
whats so funny about these numbers? i dont get what your laughin at.....
and what's "in Maryland, by the way" ?
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Originally posted by brennser:
yes, you have to be careful with data sources btu I don't think this is too far off base
where the comparison is more difficult is that ggw listed starting salaries for teachers whereas these data represent all RN salaries and are skewed by the fact that the nursing workforce is very very old with alot of nurses making high hourly rates
based on my admittedly non-random sample of friends and family who are nurses I would say these numbers are in the ballpark for base salary for RNs in HOSPITALS - of course they all 'take home' far more than this due to overtime, shift differentials etc
if you are even a moderately competent nurse in this country and are willing to work nights or weekends you can easily pull down 100k a year
I think there's a lot of truth in there, but I also think it's very misleading.
A starting nurse will not make anywhere near those numbers - it will take them forever to get there (at 3-4% annual increases) - & to achieve $100k as a regular nurse (non-CRNA, etc.) you have to sell your soul.
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I wish that certain BigYawn writers could actually write the reviews they were assigned. Not even on time, that's too much to ask. Just actually finish them.
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For my second wish:
Please let poor, old Dr.Kevorkian out of prison.
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Originally posted by brennser:
yes, you have to be careful with data sources btu I don't think this is too far off base
where the comparison is more difficult is that ggw listed starting salaries for teachers whereas these data represent all RN salaries and are skewed by the fact that the nursing workforce is very very old with alot of nurses making high hourly rates
based on my admittedly non-random sample of friends and family who are nurses I would say these numbers are in the ballpark for base salary for RNs in HOSPITALS - of course they all 'take home' far more than this due to overtime, shift differentials etc
if you are even a moderately competent nurse in this country and are willing to work nights or weekends you can easily pull down 100k a year
I think there's a lot of truth in there, but I also think it's very misleading.
A starting nurse will not make anywhere near those numbers - it will take them forever to get there (at 3-4% annual increases) - & to achieve $100k as a regular nurse (non-CRNA, etc.) you have to sell your soul. [/b]
My sister in an RN without a BA, and she makes in th 90's. Course, she's been doing it for 30 years. The problem is that most of the unrses nowadays don't actually enjoy working, or even think that it is apart of their job. Or so I'm told.
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Originally posted by redsock:
I wish that certain BigYawn writers could actually write the reviews they were assigned. Not even on time, that's too much to ask. Just actually finish them.
Good help is hard to find.Especially good inexpensive help.
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grotty
I think its all a question of interpretation
you're probably right - a starting nurse is more likely to make in the 40k range (still not bad in my opinion) - but again, this is a base salary that doesn't take into account overtime etc etc
if they stay at one place, it 'might' take them a while, but such is the supply-demand situation regarding nurses these days that they are constantly job hopping for higher hourly wages
I don't think you have to sell you soul at all to make 100k, you might have to make certain lifestyle adjustments, not work a 9-5 day or a 40 hour week but the opportunity is there in way its not available to other types of professions
I think there's a lot of truth in there, but I also think it's very misleading.
A starting nurse will not make anywhere near those numbers - it will take them forever to get there (at 3-4% annual increases) - & to achieve $100k as a regular nurse (non-CRNA, etc.) you have to sell your soul.
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Originally posted by redsock:
My sister in an RN without a BA..?
My sister had a BM on MDA, while she was trying for a MBA. She wants to work for MBNA.
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What's funny is that two years ago, the base salary of a teach in Bal'more, City Of, was $35k--or a mere $5k less than the 2005 salary of the "higher class" areas that were pointed out.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the salaries haven't adjusted downward. Let's say +3% per year for two years, and that's $37k.
Oh, the horror. They might have to drive a Jetta instead of an Infiniti, but you know, I'd have been happy with that salary at 23.
"In Maryland" is where Baltimore is located. Just wanted to help out there.
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
What's funny is that two years ago, the base salary of a teach in Bal'more, City Of, was $35k--or a mere $5k less than the 2005 salary of the "higher class" areas that were pointed out.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the salaries haven't adjusted downward. Let's say +3% per year for two years, and that's $37k.
Oh, the horror. They might have to drive a Jetta instead of an Infiniti, but you know, I'd have been happy with that salary at 23.
"In Maryland" is where Baltimore is located. Just wanted to help out there.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the base pay is still about the same, especially considering that they've had tons of financial problems regarding extreme mismanagement at the top of the ranks and have very good reason to believe that their pay has not been increased at all. In fact, the media had noted that management was going to make up for their screw-ups by penalizing the teachers via pay and supplies. Same old, same old. That's quite common. In fact, a 3% pay raise for one year is a pretty high one for them. It's usually 1-2% if anything at all. Unlike Worcester County, they don't receive cost of living increases. I know that 1st hand. Also keep in mind that no teacher makes any overtime pay whatsoever. The exception is that a few districts will pay something like a token $1,000/yr to coaches. Most other teachers who run school clubs and such, which are sometimes required, never make one additional penny.
What's also not included is that the pay doesn't get much better once you've been there over the years, unlike most jobs. They stay pretty stagnant. At least, that's true for Baltimore City and many other districts. Some pay well but many don't. The only way to increase your pay is to aquire more degrees which cost more than you ever recoup. Even then, after you've obtained 2 Masters degrees, that's it except for a PhD which is even less cost effective; HOWEVER, the state of Maryland still requires you to continue taking graduate classes just to hold onto your certification, hence, your job.
Funny thing is, Baltimore City has to keep hiring uncertified teachers just to staff the classrooms because so many teachers end up quitting. Certified teachers generally don't make any more money than the uncertified ones yet will lose their jobs if they don't play the certification racket game. If you don't, they think nothing of firing you and then replacing you with an uncertified teacher! That too is part of the game.
Can't speak for most teachers unions but I also know 1st hand that the Baltimore Teachers Union does almost nothing to protect it's teachers. They are such a scam!!! It's a closed agency which means that every teacher must contribute a whole lot of money to keep them afloat. They sold the teachers out when they agreed with the City to make it illegal for the teachers to strike; hence causing them to loose most of their bargaining power. From my observations, all the Union cares about are smaller class sizes because it requires more teachers, resulting in more union dues in their greedy hands. Oh, and their own political careers. That's their other selfish concern. I could go on about how they have been part of the cause of more work without additional pay and how they often avoid helping teachers out who are being unfairly treated in the schools. And voting for union leadership is as big a farce as voting for an American president. It's incredibly corrupt and doesn't represent the teachers anymore. They only say they do.
I fully agree with what Sir HC said about computers in the schools. I would also add library books to that. Have you ever noticed that whenever anyone donates something to a school, it always seems to be computers or library books? Not to discredit their potential values but they are the least that some of these schools need!!! In fact, some of the biggest needs don't even involve money but do involve things like real (not violent) discipline and realistic expectations.
Actually, I tend to think different than most teachers concerning money and the schools. You see, I don't eat up all of the crap that the unions and the politically correct establisments throw out there. After seeing so much mismanagement and other corruptions, I got to the point that I am sometimes against more money being thrown to many of the schools. You see, it got that each year I would hear on the news about Baltimore City receiving at least a million dollars more for their total budget every single year. Then when I would show up for the 1st day of school each year, I'd hear all this crap about budget cuts. After some personal investigation, that was the same line in all of the schools, not just mine. That's when I realized that something wasn't quite kosher concerning the inside distribution of funds within the school system itself. Found out about some principals embezelling money too and other crap. Didn't take me long to see that my personal taxes kept being increased to put money into the classrooms yet every single year I was, in reality, seeing much, much less. Fuck that! Get things straightened out first than I may rethink that issue.
With all that said, after 2 Masters degrees and 13 years of teaching, I never even saw $50,000 per year and the scale wasn't going up at all. It was just costing me more money to take useless classes just to keep my job, though it would never make me any more money, and that doesn't even consider what it cost of my time, efforts, and sanity. Even then, the pay factor was way at the bottom of my list of why I ended up quitting. Same is true for almost every teacher who quits. Everyone always thinks it's the money. It's not at all! That's all that some people think is involved. They are so way off that it's not funny. Keep in mind, there is a big reason why so many teachers across the country are quitting and most of it has nothing whatsoever to do with money. It's not at all the job that it was when we were students and it's not the job that most people think it is prior to entering.
Finally, about not joining the army if you don't want to have to deal with bullets. Well, I refused to join the military or the police force because I'm just not the right type of person to have to work with bullets. One of the hundreds of reasons that I quit my teaching job was because I got tired of having to deal with bullets and other weapons while I was trying to teach. Excluding possibly the Faulklands, I bet that I saw more action of that sort while teaching in Baltimore City than O'Mankie ever saw during his entire time in the Royal Navy. I bet anything that Tenfifteen couldn't handle even 1 month teaching in any Inner City classroom. He'd be out of there in no time flat!
I now work in a nursing home for less than half of what I made teaching and I would never, ever for even one second consider going back to teaching after all of the crap that I've had to deal with, most of which wasn't even hinted at here. Again, it's not the money. I'm working with nurses now (who receive the bulk of the payroll) and as tough as it is, it's a piece of cake compared to most teaching jobs. You have to consider the districts too. Some are much better than others while some are horrific Hell pits that pay much, much less than the better districts.
Oh, and once I finally was able to purchase a very modest new car after several years of teaching, the week that it was finally paid in full, it was maliciously vandalized in the school parking lot. That was much better than being stolen like what happened to several other teachers that I know of. The schools refuse to help you find or penalize the thugs either, just like they refuse to penalize disruptive students.
In closing, fuck off, Tenfifteen! Flawd has so much more common sense than you do. He sees what's going on in the modern classroom of today and it scares the shit out of me when I think of our future!
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LMFAO!!! Goddamn... take it easy there, Tolstoy. Surely you didn't type that thing yourself? Maybe you just queried "angry scattershot rant on education" at Google and appended the "fuck off" to me at the end?
Whatever... Hilarity either way. If I'd known this was going to be so much fun, I would've widened my pattern initially to include other sacred cows.
rowr, ROWR!!! PFFFT!!!
[chuckling derisively]
P.S. Also, it's tenfifteen (I don't capitalize it).
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
LMFAO!!! Goddamn... take it easy there, Tolstoy. Surely you didn't type that thing yourself? Maybe you just queried "angry scattershot rant on education" at Google and appended the "fuck off" to me at the end?
Whatever... Hilarity either way. If I'd known this was going to be so much fun, I would've widened my pattern initially to include other sacred cows.
rowr, ROWR!!! PFFFT!!!
[chuckling derisively]
P.S. Also, it's tenfifteen (I don't capitalize it).
actually, you have just been proven to be a fool. thanks, Jag for putting "tenfifteen" in thier place :)
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
[chuckling derisively]
in your underwear most likely?
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Awww... now I feel all empty inside. Because I'm a fool. A fool who is now in his place. How shall I continue? The HUMANITY, I SAY!
Anyway, you know what they say about arguing on the Internet don't you? I suggest ratcheting down on the serious pills. You could have, like... an aneurysm, or something.
P.S. "Their" is the spelling you were looking for. Didnt ewe paye atention too you're teech3rz?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
in your underwear most likely?
OMG THAT IS SO FUNNY! In a rather pithy way, it implies that I am a jobless loser with too much time on my hands. Wow... are you puh-sychic?
Eh... No. You're not. So I'll help out: "Actually" (which is what I usually say when I mean "in fact"), I'm wearing jeans over my underwear, in an extremely large federal building in Northwest named after a former president who recently passed away. But I do have far too much time on my hands today.
Assuming you're in the District, let's get lunch sometime, huh? I'm really a swell guy. Don't hate. Appreciate!!
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
What torques me about schools is that these friggin' idiots keep wanting to add computers and other crap that sops up all the money. Teach english, don't have a friggin' computer do it. In my county (Howard) housing values have shot up. The taxes off the houses is what they use to fund education. That has shot up too. They still complain they need more. Why? Because they squander what they have on crap. If teachers with to be paid more, they should get all these b.s. extras knocked out so that there is more in that pool of money for themselves.
Hey Sir...
That's exactly where I am...Howard County. My wife and I are both teachers. We have 13 years experience teaching between us, and still can't afford a house in this damn county.
I'm not going to appease the others bitching about teacher's pay being great. Not going there. Don't drive an Infiniti, a Pontiac instead.
Most jobs have a cost of living increase. However, let it be noted that in the current real estate market, that the cost of living increases in salary, aren't keeping up with the actual cost of living, especially for those working in public service...police, fire/rescue, social work, and education.
The one thing I can say is that policemen and firemen have the ability and availability to work overtime. Teachers on the other hand do not, especially in the cases of policemen who report to traffic court. They get pad overtime for that, every time.
And in MD, you have ten years after your start date of teaching to acquire your Master's Degree or equivalent. If not, you can be let go, or if you are lucky enough to be kept around, your salary basically stays stagnate. After which time of obtaining your Master's, every time you come up for recertification, you must have completed further credits by way of more graduate credits at an institution, or in county classes.
And the school year now for most that I know is 10months. And once you factor in that most days are 12 hour days or more, plus taking work home for the weekends. It's like someone else working a 40hr./week job, and getting like a week's vacation.
I highly enjoy my job most days. What I get tired of, is getting dumped on by the Board, and by a thankless governmental system, and especially by parents who think that they should be at their every fucking whim.
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Hey teachers...just what the flying fuck is a "professional day" apart from yet another day off for you lot?
Snow days...do you get paid for those days off? That must be what....two weeks extra paid vacation.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Salaries of local first-year teachers:
Fairfax: $40,000
Arlington: $40,816
Montgomery: $40,816
Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/26/AR2005052601788_pf.html)
That's nice, but c'mon - those are some of the higher-paying counties in the country. Not everyone can get jobs in those counties. I've been a teacher for six years, and I currently make 42,000. I like being a teacher, no doubt. But certain aspects do suck! I've never taken a summer off in my six years - don't think all teachers take off for those two months. I work in a building with no air conditioning (in AA county) And the worst - workdays that continue well after you get home.
Teaching is a great job but dont act like its cushy or that we bitch for no reason. We work much more than your typical 40 hour week and in many places around the country we don't get paid that much. N. Virginia is certainly not a great example. Rural Virginia is - I worked there as a first year teacher and I can honestly tell you that my salary was not anywhere near 40 fucking thousand dollars a year.
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Originally posted by hitman:
Most jobs have a cost of living increase. However, let it be noted that in the current real estate market, that the cost of living increases in salary, aren't keeping up with the actual cost of living, especially for those working in public service...police, fire/rescue, social work, and education.
As I've said before, I'm for teachers being paid more. That noted, my cost of living increase is 2-3%. Not quite keeping up to the 20-25% annual real estate inflation over the last few years either...
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Originally posted by hitman:
What I get tired of, is getting dumped on by the Board, and by a thankless governmental system, and especially by parents who think that they should be at their every fucking whim.
Man oh man, some of the parents....I can only imagine. I'll take my regulatory bureaucrats any day over crazed parents.... Bless you.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Hey teachers...just what the flying fuck is a "professional day" apart from yet another day off for you lot?
Snow days...do you get paid for those days off? That must be what....two weeks extra paid vacation.
A professional day normally is for in-house conferences on state/national testing, or for county-wide professional development where you have to go to meetings and such. I'd personally rather not have them.
Snow days. It depends on how you look at that. Yes we are paid for them. But you have to make them up at the end of the year. It's not like it's just another day off. Case in point, Howard County used three snow days this year, and it extended the school year by another three days. If a snow day is called on a professional development day, that day is also tacked on to the end of the year.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by hitman:
What I get tired of, is getting dumped on by the Board, and by a thankless governmental system, and especially by parents who think that they should be at their every fucking whim.
Man oh man, some of the parents....I can only imagine. I'll take my regulatory bureaucrats any day over crazed parents.... Bless you. [/b]
sarcasm???
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Originally posted by hitman:
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by hitman:
What I get tired of, is getting dumped on by the Board, and by a thankless governmental system, and especially by parents who think that they should be at their every fucking whim.
Man oh man, some of the parents....I can only imagine. I'll take my regulatory bureaucrats any day over crazed parents.... Bless you. [/b]
sarcasm??? [/b]
No, no sarcasm. I'll bet there are a few parents every year that are HUGE pains in the ass...You know, the kind who start their kids on russian language flash cards before they're two years old...
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by hitman:
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by hitman:
What I get tired of, is getting dumped on by the Board, and by a thankless governmental system, and especially by parents who think that they should be at their every fucking whim.
Man oh man, some of the parents....I can only imagine. I'll take my regulatory bureaucrats any day over crazed parents.... Bless you. [/b]
sarcasm??? [/b]
No, no sarcasm. I'll bet there are a few parents every year that are HUGE pains in the ass...You know, the kind who start their kids on russian language flash cards before they're two years old... [/b]
Or the SpEd parents who think their children are more capable than they really are, and quote the "No Child Left Behind Act" verbatim. Case in point, I have a 10 year old with a hemispherectomy that is on a diploma tract, that likes to stick his hand up his ass and pull out shit, when he dislikes something.
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Instead of whining about how little you're paid....why not get a sales job and make real coin, and leave the teaching to those who care about the children!
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Instead of whining about how little you're paid....why not get a sales job and make real coin, and leave the teaching to those who care about the children!
OMFG WHY DO YOU WANT TEH TEACHERS AND CHILDERN TO DIE!?!?11!#$!@!
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Instead of whining about how little you're paid....why not get a sales job and make real coin, and leave the teaching to those who care about the children!
OMFG WHY DO YOU WANT TEH TEACHERS AND CHILDERN TO DIE!?!?11!#$!@! [/b]
...just the whinging teachers..
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uuuhhhh, whats wrong with kids being able to speak multiple languages? they soak it up at that age - much better tha trying to teach it to them as they grow older
.You know, the kind who start their kids on russian language flash cards before they're two years old...
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Originally posted by Bags:
Not quite keeping up to the 20-25% annual real estate inflation over the last few years either...
are you still getting that house? i do remember you saying...
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Originally posted by brennser:
uuuhhhh, whats wrong with kids being able to speak multiple languages? they soak it up at that age - much better tha trying to teach it to them as they grow older
.You know, the kind who start their kids on russian language flash cards before they're two years old...
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i agree!!!! by high school, i just took spanish so i could take a nap for an hour each day!
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Instead of whining about how little you're paid....why not get a sales job and make real coin, and leave the teaching to those who care about the children!
OMFG WHY DO YOU WANT TEH TEACHERS AND CHILDERN TO DIE!?!?11!#$!@! [/b]
...just the whinging teachers.. [/b]
Nope. Haven't been whining yet, just merely stating facts.
In fact, O'Yankme, caring for the children is why I do stay in the profession. And that's not caring for children in the Irish Catholic way either.
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Originally posted by hitman:
In fact, O'Yankme, caring for the children is why I do stay in the profession. And that's not caring for children in the Irish Catholic way either. [/b]
Nice try.....but I'm English protestant. ;)
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by Bags:
Not quite keeping up to the 20-25% annual real estate inflation over the last few years either...
are you still getting that house? i do remember you saying... [/b]
Yup, got a place -- I close next Friday on a condo in Logan Circle. I should be more excited...