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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mankie on March 13, 2004, 09:50:00 am
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After our exchange regarding abortion yesterday something has been on my mind so I need to ask you a question.
On the topic regarding the serial sniper you came out strongly against the death penalty, then on another thread strongly in favor of abortion.
How is it you're dead against killing murderers but in favor of killing babies....kill em when they're young, but not old is it?
I'm not having a go, it's just something I find very inconsistent so wondered what your rationale was.
Hope you get to bike this weekend, weather looks promising. Do a big hill for me because I need the training, thanks! ;)
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Obviously I'm not chimbleysweep, but I can anticipate the answer you're going to get.
There's only one logical stance that would allow you to believe in 2 superficially contradictory point-of-views:
It's the basis of all arguments for/against abortion - when does the fetus really become a life?
This could get ugly...
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abortion is one of those things that should never be debated on bulletin boards... the arguments are predictable and boring. The odds of someone actually expressing an original thought on the matter are very, very low.
And besides...
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Grotty is correct. They're not comparable because a fetus is not a life. It's not like killing a neighbor who causes a nuisance and degrades your quality of life (a comparison brought up to me, which enlightened me greatly because it shows the black and white difference -- a life or not; I understand *where* pro-lifers come from, but I absolutely do not agree with their premise).
HOWEVER, interestingly, it is conservative Christian pro-death penalty right-to-lifers whom I find inconsistent. They obviously believe a fetus is a life, which would make it comparable to someone on death row, but it's okay to kill that person on death row.
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Dr. Doom is right....Mankie know's I'll get sucked in, though. My susceptibility! ;)
Actually, I was trying to show how far apart the 'sides' of the debate are -- there's no gray area at all, so there's just no arguing it, certainly not on a bulletin board.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Dr. Doom is right....Mankie know's I'll get sucked in, though. My susceptibility! ;)
Actually, I was trying to show how far apart the 'sides' of the debate are -- there's no gray area at all, so there's just no arguing it, certainly not on a bulletin board.
Actually, I wasn't fishing on this one...I just couldn't understand how someone could have such differing opinions on what I feel is a similar subject, it's just the age difference imo.
Legally a fetus is not a human being, but in reality it is and I wasn't asking a legal question.
I don't want this to turn into an online argument...and the discussion yesterday wasn't an argument either, nobody started mud-slinging from what I remember.
I am NOT pro-life as I said yesterday....I am pro-life personally, but feel strongly that just because I am, it doesn't mean everyone else has to be, so in that regard I'm pro-choice. I do feel VERY strongly that the father should be involved with the decision regarding abortion because it's his child too....what if it's a one-night stand and he doesn't want the child but she does....he then has a life he's responsible for even though he didn't want it...but if he does want the child and she doesn't he also has no say in that, so someone basically kills his child???
Some may say I'm also being inconsistent, being against abortion but for the death penalty...my rationale is that a baby has done nothing wrong to be put to death, whereas the murderer has, and should be given the ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime.
Okay, that's it.
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Science is the new religion. Therefore science is the answer to abortion. In the future all births will be IVF. Problem solved in a brave new world.
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Originally posted by mankie:
...I just couldn't understand how someone could have such differing opinions on what I feel is a similar subject, it's just the age difference imo.
Legally a fetus is not a human being, but in reality it is and I wasn't asking a legal question.
Legally and in reality, a fetus is not a human being. I wasn't answering a legal question. This is why there's no gray area, you believe it is or it isn't, and that determines what an abortion is doing (based on your personal premise).
I disagree that your opinion on this has anything to do with age. My stepmother and her friends are staunchly pro-choice (in that camp that a fetus is not a human being, legally or 'in reality') and anti-death penalty. And they're even older than you, Mank! :p
You're right, we didn't sling mud over this -- we must be getting awfully 'forum savvy'! it's almost like, like....a community!
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Originally posted by Bags:
Legally and in reality, a fetus is not a human being. I wasn't answering a legal question. This is why there's no gray area, you believe it is or it isn't, and that determines what an abortion is doing (based on your personal premise).
Huh?
If I understand this correctly, "reality" is simply defined as what one "believes" to be true. Is that right? If so, then it's all gray area.
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ggw, I should have said "I believe legally and in reality, a fetus is not a human being" -- I was just setting Mankie straight that I wasnt' only ansering his 'legal' question. I was differentiating based on Mankie's division of legal rights from what he believes to be true (legally a fetus has no right, but he believes it's a human being). Just noted that I wasn't answering his legal question, as he intimated.
The lack of a grey area is precisely there -- in a person's perspective -- it's a life or it's not as a fetus. That's where the arguments just end, I've found, the rest is hyperbole. You're right, though -- there are different "realities."
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Wow, a thread in my name. I feel so honored. Plus, now everyone knows I'm internet-free on weekends.
Let's see here... I agree with the aforemade arguments. A fetus isn't a living human being.
Besides, let's not get into the roll call of people who were pro-death penalty and anti-choice...
Back to bike talk!
Anyone see that new Nike commercial, where Lance Armstrong is a boxer? I don't get it.
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So this set me to wondering...
If a fetus is not a human being, exactly what is it?
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Originally posted by Bags:
The lack of a grey area is precisely there -- in a person's perspective -- it's a life or it's not as a fetus. That's where the arguments just end, I've found, the rest is hyperbole. You're right, though -- there are different "realities."
Relativism is soooooo last century.
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Originally posted by bunnyballs:
So this set me to wondering...
If a fetus is not a human being, exactly what is it?
I think it IS a human being, and yet I am still pro-choice, in terms of public policy. People need to face the reality of what they're acutally doing when they get an abortion.
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Originally posted by Celestial Balls:
I think it IS a human being
See, this is the problem with both the abortion debate and with the idea that you can legislate on the issue.
What is a human?
Something with a heartbeat? Then you should support first trimester abortion.
Something that can live on its own? Then you should support abortion in all trimesters.
Something with a defined head? Then you should support first trimester abortion.
A fertilized egg? Then you should move to some other country because that's just to backwords for me to think about.
A stem cell? Now that's insane.
And what are the mother's rights, whether or not you think her fetus is a 'human being?'
And if you admit that it's a religious conviction that you're anti-choice, why is it ok to legislate that on others?
Anyway.
Back to bike talk.
I want a fixie so bad. But I'm not very good at skid stopping.
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Something that can live on its own? Then you should support abortion in all trimesters.
It's viable outside the womb after ~24 weeks.
"anti-choice" -- That's cute. Does that make you "anti-life"?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
"anti-choice" -- That's cute. Does that make you "anti-life"?
Umm... it's because life hasn't got anything to do with it in my opinion-- life begins at birth.
That would make me pro-choice. And people who disagree anti-choice.
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
And what are the mother's rights, whether or not you think her fetus is a 'human being?'
And if you admit that it's a religious conviction that you're anti-choice, why is it ok to legislate that on others?
I hope the "you" here is a general "you", since I said I am pro-choice, and I DON'T think that is OK to legislate "anti-choice" on others.
My point was that while people should have the right to choose, they should realize that it is a life that they are ending, if they chose to have an abortion. They are choosing their own life over that of someone elses. I think that this is often the most practical and best choice to make, however, let's not have any fantasies or happy glazing over the fact of what abortion is.
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Umm... it's because life hasn't got anything to do with it in my opinion-- life begins at birth.
That would make me pro-choice. And people who disagree anti-choice.
In the other side's opinion, life begins well before birth. That would make them pro-life. And make you anti-life.
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Oh man, I've been drooling over the Surly Steamroller and the Bianchi Pista. They are gorgeous bikes.
You can affix a brake onto the front wheel if necessary. There's also what they call a flip-flop hub that is on one side fixed and on the other side freewheel.
Currently I'm stuck between getting a Pista or a Steamroller.
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Anyway.
Back to bike talk.
I want a fixie so bad. But I'm not very good at skid stopping.
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Capitol Hill Bikes has a couple pistas right now ($550) if you want a test ride, but me, I'd hold out for the steamroller.
Also, specialized has started making a low-end singlespeed (i.e. freewheel and breaks, but one speed) that Capitol Hill Bikes has for about $450. A good deal.
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Oh man, I've been drooling over the Surly Steamroller and the Bianchi Pista. They are gorgeous bikes.
You can affix a brake onto the front wheel if necessary. There's also what they call a flip-flop hub that is on one side fixed and on the other side freewheel.
Currently I'm stuck between getting a Pista or a Steamroller.
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Anyway.
Back to bike talk.
I want a fixie so bad. But I'm not very good at skid stopping.
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I've been looking at the Specialized but it just doesn't have the allure of a Bianchi or Surly.
I saw a 59" assembled Steamroller over at Revolution in G'town. It was 1000 bucks though.
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Also, specialized has started making a low-end singlespeed (i.e. freewheel and breaks, but one speed) that Capitol Hill Bikes has for about $450. A good deal.
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Personally I think you are crazy looking at single speeds.
For the money you could get something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3666205314&category=27947 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3666205314&category=27947)
Which would be a darn site more useful and practical.
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Back to bike talk!
Anyone see that new Nike commercial, where Lance Armstrong is a boxer? I don't get it.
I've seen that ad, I think it's great even if don't quite understand what they're trying to sell....Agassi is a baseball player, Armstrong a boxer and loads of other athletes doing other stuff. It' sjust funny.
Just put my new Thule rack on my car today...wooo hoooo! Ready to go now.
The road bike I bought recently was a Mercier Serpens...nice bike. I did a lot of research before parting with my cashola, and I'm very happy with it. The only thing I've had to change is the saddle but the girl who sold me the bike said I would probably want to upgrade that pretty quick...she was right! ;) I'm not into pain on my bottom...
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Back to bike talk!
Anyone see that new Nike commercial, where Lance Armstrong is a boxer? I don't get it.
I've seen that ad, I think it's great even if don't quite understand what they're trying to sell...[/b]
Isnt the point that the athletes are great champions and that their "fighting spirit" would make them great, whatever path they had followed in life, as long as they has worn nike shoes.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Personally I think you are crazy looking at single speeds.
For the money you could get something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3666205314&category=27947 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3666205314&category=27947)
Which would be a darn site more useful and practical.
Obviously you don't live/ride/commute in the city. Suspension forks are a waste of energy and totally unpractical. Mountain bikes are slow. Gotta get the big roadie wheels if you're going to get around, you know??
I commute on a 97 Stump Jumper, but I've had to replace tires (with slicks), fork (get rid of suspension) and cover it in stickers to avoid theft...
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In the past 13 years I've gone through two Trek 800 Antelopes. Both were great workhorses and, unfortunately, both were stolen. They also weighed a ton. I'm tired of mountain bikes and am looking for something far lighter and much quicker.
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How can someone deny how gorgeous this bike is? The frame is damn near immaculate.
<img src="http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/nickjohnson1.jpg" alt=" - " />
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If you want singlespeed goodness and style, you gotta go with the new Kona:
<img src="http://www.konaworld.com/2k4bikes/images/low/2K4_BikeHotRod_650.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Choppers for messengers...
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the horror, the horror X2
<img src="http://www.bps-nakayama.com/e/staff/ma-colnago.JPG" alt=" - " />
Is what a bikie should look like.
Are big wheels and skinny tires really the way to go in DC. Some of the pot holes are big enough to swallow my whole car. I would have thought a mountain bike with wide (ish) slicks as a very good compromise. The more upright position and thumbs and fingers always on the controls is certainly better for town.
When I had last had a MTB I had rigid forks. I guess that is rare now. When I rode an M2 stumpjumper, last, I just set the forks to thier hardest setting.
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I'm curious. If I were to get a Surly Steamroller frame, would it be possible to put a flip-flop (one side fixed, one side freewheel) hub on it?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I'm curious. If I were to get a Surly Steamroller frame, would it be possible to put a flip-flop (one side fixed, one side freewheel) hub on it?
I can think of no reason why not.
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True, the more I'm researching this, the more people I'm noticing using that style hub on their bikes.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I'm curious. If I were to get a Surly Steamroller frame, would it be possible to put a flip-flop (one side fixed, one side freewheel) hub on it?
I can think of no reason why not. [/b]
Unless you're planning on velodrome racing or working really really hard to get used to a true fixie, it's the only way to go. Ever tried biking down Meridian Hill on a fixie? Ever tried stopping at the bottom? Enough said.
By the way... my good bike *sigh* still credit card debt on wheels after over a year but SOOOOOO fast!!! Not used for commuting, going to bars, errands. Used only for biking across Iowa, on paved surfaces, training, touring, and other trips not necessitating abandoning it with a U-lock.
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
[By the way... my good bike
Very nice, but why did you get a triple? Dont you get picked on by other roadies for that?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
[By the way... my good bike
Very nice, but why did you get a triple? Dont you get picked on by other roadies for that? [/b]
It's because I do alot of touring. On RAGBRAI last year, I seriously used every gear I've got. (I recall the particularly tretcherous century day, with such hills that I went from absolute high gear to absolute low gear.)
BUT... I have a small frame and the chain's not long enough to sustain a triple, to tell you the truth. I dump the chain alot. I would have to say, unless you're tall, the triple isn't a good idea, just mechanically.
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Seeing as everyone is putting photo's of their babies up, here's mine...sorry it's so large (that's what I said last night!). This also came with a triple and I'm not planning on changing it just to be cool.
<img src="http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/serpens_big_triple.jpg" alt=" - " />
My mtn bike is a Trek 850, had it for years and it's never let me down...only been tuned up once too. No fancy suspension, just a damn good bike that's built like a tank.
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Unfortunately the trek weighs the same as a tank.....
Ahhhhh Reynolds 853. What could be more beautiful. Nice job Mankie.
I hope you got it on sale though?
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/mercier_serpins.htm (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/mercier_serpins.htm)
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Unfortunately the trek weighs the same as a tank.....
Ahhhhh Reynolds 853. What could be more beautiful. Nice job Mankie.
I hope you got it on sale though?
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/mercier_serpins.htm (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/mercier_serpins.htm)
;)
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Since you all are obviously experts, or at the very least extremely interested in biking, perhaps you could help me out. Sorry for taking the thread off topic.
Moved to DC a year and a half ago, and need a daily commuter bike. I'm looking for something quick, reliable, and relatively low maintainence. Any ideas? Price isn't a huge factor, and it won't be U Locked and unattended for very long at a stretch...
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A close second choice for me was the Kona "Jake the snake"...it's what they call a cyclocross bike, so basically almost the speed of a roadbike and almost the durability of a mtn bike, I only decided on the Mercier because I won't be commuting but plan on century rides on weekends etc. I think "Jake" would be a great commuter personally, and also for longer rides on weekends if you get addicted, which you will.
It's a beautiful bike too.
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Road bike or Mountain bike? How far is your commute, how ropey are the roads, how much traffic?
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Originally posted by mankie:
A close second choice for me was the Kona "Jake the snake"...it's what they call a cyclocross bike, so basically almost the speed of a roadbike and almost the durability of a mtn bike, I only decided on the Mercier because I won't be commuting but plan on century rides on weekends etc. I think "Jake" would be a great commuter personally, and also for longer rides on weekends if you get addicted, which you will.
It's a beautiful bike too.
I love my Kona. I've had it about six years and it's been indestructible. It's an old ('98) steel hardtail. Very easy to work on and the frame takes serious abuse.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Moved to DC a year and a half ago, and need a daily commuter bike. I'm looking for something quick, reliable, and relatively low maintainence. Any ideas? Price isn't a huge factor, and it won't be U Locked and unattended for very long at a stretch...
Personally, I think the Jamis Coda is the ideal commuter bike. Light, fast, durable.
My SO bought a Bianchi Bergamo, though, which is a clunkier version of the same. Heavy thing, but very comfortable.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Road bike or Mountain bike? How far is your commute, how ropey are the roads, how much traffic?
Undecided as to whether a road or mtn bike. Commute will vary, but basically in the Dupont / Logan / U Street area, with occasional trips to Georgetown and Woodley / Cleveland park.
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I highly recommend a mountain bike for what are relatively short distances all in town. I never really liked hybrids as they are not great at anything....
My friend had a kona cinder cone and it was nigh on indestructible. I like steel frames, they are a bit more absorbant. If you weigh over 200lbs you might think about a specialized stumpjumper M4, but with slicks....
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I highly recommend a mountain bike for what are relatively short distances all in town. I never really liked hybrids as they are not great at anything....
Yeah, but you don't want a suspension anything on it, and you don't want nubby tires. And the little mountain wheels aren't going to be very fast.
You can get a beefy steel frame on any bike, and hybrids aren't any longer just comfort bikes. Again, I point to the Jamis Coda. It's a steel frame, less agressive road bike style geometry, with road sized tires, and flat bars. I wish I had it instead of my stump jumper.
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One more sidenote-- now here's a thread that I don't mind having my name on!
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Yeah, but you don't want a suspension anything on it, and you don't want nubby tires. And the little mountain wheels aren't going to be very fast.
You can get a beefy steel frame on any bike, and hybrids aren't any longer just comfort bikes. Again, I point to the Jamis Coda. It's a steel frame, less agressive road bike style geometry, with road sized tires, and flat bars. I wish I had it instead of my stump jumper.
Mountain wheels not fast..... they are plenty fast enough if you put some slicks on.... On some long winter rides the better roadies would come along for centuries on their mountain bikes just to make everyone look bad.
I understand the point about the hybrid. But I think a real mountain bike or road bike is a much better proposition. If you actually get into cycling, you can do so much more with it than just commute. You cant take a hybrid mountain biking or on a long roadie ride.
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A solid bike if there ever was one.
Originally posted by mankie:
My mtn bike is a Trek 850, had it for years and it's never let me down...only been tuned up once too. No fancy suspension, just a damn good bike that's built like a tank.
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Thanks very much for everyone's replies. I think I have a pretty good idea of what will work now. I'll post back with my final decision on the bike this weekend...
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So I just picked up an old '91 Diamondback Prevail frame with drop handlebars on ebay for the grand total of 57 dollars including shipping. Fixie here I come!
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
So I just picked up an old '91 Diamondback Prevail frame with drop handlebars on ebay for the grand total of 57 dollars including shipping. Fixie here I come!
Wow, including shipping? that's quite the deal. Shipping a bike is usually $50+! That's why I've never bought a bike on ebay...
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I'm paying about $41 for the frame and handlebars. The original bid started at $15. The shipping's less than $20. Hopefully it doesn't get shipped in a paper bag.
This isn't the sweetest frame in the world, but it's my first fixie. Once I get used to it, I'll pick up a better frame. That said, I'm still extremely excited.
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Does anyone know of a company who will do custom paint on bike frames? I love my bike apart from the boring color...black/blue.
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I'd actually love to know the best way to strip paint off of a bike frame. Any suggestions? The color scheme on the frame that I'm getting isn't the best.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Does anyone know of a company who will do custom paint on bike frames? I love my bike apart from the boring color...black/blue.
Yes, my friend rust-oleum does custom paint job, as do many other folks that hang out in spraycans on the shelves of your friendly neighborhood hardware store.
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Good one thirsty, just make sure the wheels are good. You dont want them collapsing the first time you hit a pot hole........
I bet getting a bike painted prefessionally is really expensive.
I was thinking of getting some car wheels powdercoated and I got quotes of around $80 a wheel. I wonder if anyone in the auto industry knows of anywhere cheaper.
(I want to get a new set of holies for the mini and powdercoat them black)
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I'd actually love to know the best way to strip paint off of a bike frame. Any suggestions? The color scheme on the frame that I'm getting isn't the best.
that would be my friend steel wool.
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Who knew I'd become so close to Rustoleum and Steel Wool?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Good one thirsty, just make sure the wheels are good. You dont want them collapsing the first time you hit a pot hole........
I bet getting a bike painted prefessionally is really expensive.
I was thinking of getting some car wheels powdercoated and I got quotes of around $80 a wheel. I wonder if anyone in the auto industry knows of anywhere cheaper.
(I want to get a new set of holies for the mini and powdercoat them black)
I just found a few of places on the web that paint bike frames or powder coat them. It seems the price range is $120 - $400 depending on what you want....much less than I was thinking actually. I may have to do it over the winter.
I'll check on the other thing for you and get back to you.
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I could probably use some help looking at sizing of wheels, crank arms, and such.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Good one thirsty, just make sure the wheels are good. You dont want them collapsing the first time you hit a pot hole........
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
I'll check on the other thing for you and get back to you.
Thankyou.
Does the charge including taking apart your bike, stripping the old paint, powdercoating, then clearcoating and finally putting it all back together? If so I reckon anything under $250 is a good deal.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I could probably use some help looking at sizing of wheels, crank arms, and such.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Good one thirsty, just make sure the wheels are good. You dont want them collapsing the first time you hit a pot hole........
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Have you got your ebay listing so we can see what you actually got?
If I were you I would get all the parts off of ebay. I decent set of new wheels, hell even a crap set, will cost you more than $50
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The place who powder coats the rims and brake calipers etc. for us charges $95 a rim. They also do bike frames for $115! I've seen their work and it's excellent.
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still, though... $100 for paint on a $50 bike? Even on a $1000 bike it seems a little silly, but I guess to each his own. I just cover mine in stickers. It helps ward off possible theft. (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/25241160.html)
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I'll check on the other thing for you and get back to you.
Thankyou.
Does the charge including taking apart your bike, stripping the old paint, powdercoating, then clearcoating and finally putting it all back together? If so I reckon anything under $250 is a good deal. [/b]
You just ship the frame to them so have to disassemble it yourself. It doesn't include any damage repairs but does include prep, paint/powder and clearcoat.
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Oh, I'll be painting the bike on my own.
Here's a brief description straight from the seller's mouth.
The steel used was True Temper RC cromoly. There are two sets of water bottle braze ons. The size is 52 cm, c-to-c, and the top tube length is 545 mm, also c-to-c. The wheelbase is 1005 mm . The BB shell is 68 mm, of course, and the rear spacing is 130 mm (eight or 9-speed). The seatpost is a nice Zoom. The stem is a T-Bone, 90mm extension. The handlebar is an SR with the Modolo bend, its c-to-c width is 390 mm, and it is grooved for aero cables.
<img src="http://i23.ebayimg.com/03/i/01/87/d7/aa_1_sb.JPG" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
still, though... $100 for paint on a $50 bike? Even on a $1000 bike it seems a little silly, but I guess to each his own. I just cover mine in stickers. It helps ward off possible theft. (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/25241160.html)
That's both sad and funny at the same time...it sounds to me like someone knows him/her and is just fucking with them.
I would love a custom paint job on my bike, you have you're stickers and I have my paint. If it' bike you intend to keep for a long time I think there's nothing wrong with personalizing it....just no flames or tribal shit though!
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Yeah, $95 a rim is too much. I might as well just get some rims that are black to start off with. I do like the holies though.......
So you know removing bottom brackets is tricky? And that removing the headset is a job best left to a pro...... Perhaps you wont have to remove the headset?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Oh, I'll be painting the bike on my own.
Well that looks like a nice enough frame.
You might be as well finding another cheap donor bike on ebay and stripping it..... There is a lot of stuff you need. Wheels brakes, chainset, chain, shifters, saddle. You could spend a fortune on all that stuff from a bike shop. Just the tools you need to put a bottom bracket in and attach the crank will cost you $20.......
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Yeah, $95 a rim is too much. I might as well just get some rims that are black to start off with. I do like the holies though.......
So you know removing bottom brackets is tricky? And that removing the headset is a job best left to a pro...... Perhaps you wont have to remove the headset?
I wouldn't even try to disassemble my Mercier on my own. I'd pay a bike shop to do it and pack it for shipping, then have them re-assemble it when it comes back. I would like to eventually be able to work on my own bike, but not yet...I'm tempted to buy a piece of old crap to take apart and put back together again first.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
I'm tempted to buy a piece of old crap to take apart and put back together again first.
No you can do everything eaily enough apart from the headset. Just the tolls will cost you a bit though.
A bike shop is probably going to charge $100 dismantling and then $100 to put it back together.
Personally I dont think a paint job is worth that kind of money unless your frame is really nice, but in a cosmetic mess. You can get top line frames for $500. Yours is a great tubeset though.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I'm tempted to buy a piece of old crap to take apart and put back together again first.
No you can do everything eaily enough apart from the headset. Just the tolls will cost you a bit though.
A bike shop is probably going to charge $100 dismantling and then $100 to put it back together.
Personally I dont think a paint job is worth that kind of money unless your frame is really nice, but in a cosmetic mess. You can get top line frames for $500. Yours is a great tubeset though. [/b]
I'm not doing it anytime soon, as boring as blue/black is, it's still looks pretty nice for now....maybe after a couple of years when it's looking dull and I can take it apart myself I may get something done.
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I won't need shifters. This is going to be a single speed/fixed gear.
I've been reading up on this site here (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/singlespeed.html).
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Wheels, brakes, chainset, chain, shifters, saddle. You could spend a fortune on all that stuff from a bike shop. Just the tools you need to put a bottom bracket in and attach the crank will cost you $20.......
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I've wanted to build a fixie but have heard that it's tough to get the chain to fit right-- do you have any strategies?
I think most people overcome this by using a Surly Singleator, but that's sorta cheating.
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This is my first build, so I've got the same questions you do. I do agree that using a Singleator is cheating though. Plus it clutters up the chainline. And that's one of the things we're trying to avoid, aren't we?
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Lemme know how that chain thing turns out.
One Surly accessory is a must, though...
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related sidenote: you know it's spring when you have to go half a block away to find bike parking at Black Cat. there were a few good looking rides there last night... like someone's fixie gray Bianchi, right in front of the club... *drool*
Someone also has a really nice pink fixie that's always at St Ex...
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There are always tons of fixies over in Adams Morgan. Especially around Asylum and Pharmacy.
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Just picked up a set of wheels on ebay for $150. Suzue FlipFlop hub on the back. It can even fit 130mm spacing!
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You're just an ebay buying monster aren't you?
Keep us posted though as your project progresses.
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Wow-- you got really lucky to find those-- what an unusal pair of wheels.
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Chimbly, I believe they've got 2 more pairs. I'll stop bragging about my finds.
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What the (http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/04/05.html)?!
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
What the (http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/04/05.html)?!
You mean that's not your finished project?? ;)
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Hah, with all of DC's potholes I'm sure that bike would work!
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You know, that's one bike that prolly wouldn't get stolen.
I do think getting an unstealable bike is a very worthy pursuit.
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btw-- anybody know about Thursday Thunder rides? I hear they're about 25 mi of pounding hills, so I want in. Do any boardies know anything?