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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Frank Gallagher on April 05, 2011, 01:49:49 pm
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.....this is your future America if Obama achieves his long term goal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12964360
Hey! Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just say'n...
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right, because the current path this country is on - richest in the world, most expensive health care in the world and coverage rates that are down-right embarrassing - is a much better path. who cares if the working poor suffer from easily preventable diseases - let them learn to pay those lawsuit-driven sky-high prices. if you can't afford $100+ to walk in the door of a clinic, or $20,000+ to have your burst appendix removed (a relatively simple operation, 24 hour stay), then you don't deserve health care.
let's go back to the middle ages. i'm just sayin'.
(p.s. obama's health care plan doesn't call for full socialized medicine like they have the in UK. hospitals remain private, insurance remains private. are you one of those who seriously believes obama is a socialist?)
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Does not go far enough.
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well, this should be a stupid thread.
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The guy that equated homosexuality to bestiality not too long ago started it.
I thought those comments were satirical at the time but now, I am not sure.
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First, I really don't think threads like these should even be on the 930 club board in the first place.
Second, I would wager this board is predominantly liberal so we all know how the ensuing argument this thread would perhaps create would go down anyway.
Third, I like the fact that Frank Gallagher started this thread. The original post sounds like something Frank Gallagher from Shameless would say.
/remember, this is a music forum.
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/remember, this is a music forum.
Sez who?
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It is not the governments business to protect me from myself or save me from poor financial decision i may make.
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I'm just troll'n
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No, it's your fellow insurance premium payers paying higher rates to support for your crippled ass.
It is not the governments business to protect me from myself or save me from poor financial decision i may make.
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No, it's your fellow insurance premium payers paying higher rates to support for your crippled ass.
It is not the governments business to protect me from myself or save me from poor financial decision i may make.
Whoa :o
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i think frank actually has a good point
"obamacare" does run the risk of being ineffective due to a convervative government coming in and slashing funding
because that's what the article is about...
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It is not the governments business to protect me from myself or save me from poor financial decision i may make.
completely agreed - but health care costs are out of the control of any single person. it is the government's job to provide social services, especially ones where the private sector is failing.
you can think within the system, "this is how things work - a family of four should budget thousands per year for health care. deal with it". or you can take a step back and ask yourself, "why should anyone have to pay that much for something so necessary, within a system that is so broken?"
my opinions are colored by the fact that i believe that health care is a basic right, not a privilege. you should contribute towards its cost but those costs should not be allowed to run out of control to the point where health care is unattainable.
"obamacare" does run the risk of being ineffective due to a convervative government coming in and slashing funding
good point. makes for great politicking - kill the opposition's plan through lack of funding, then point out what a failure their plan was. brilliant!
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I misread the thread title. I thought it said "Obamacore," which I figured was just some new East African sub-genre of technically polished but ultimately feckless pop pablum.
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I'm all for universal healthcare as long as we exclude smokers, alcohol and drug abusers, fatties who are more than 30 pounds overweight, and child abusers from getting it.
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I'm all for universal healthcare as long as we exclude smokers, alcohol and drug abusers, fatties who are more than 30 pounds overweight, and child abusers from getting it.
then there goes the psychology/psychiatric field right out the window. they have the whole world hooked on drugs they don't need. and i'm sure you are overweight; you're white, you have no choice.
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... and we all know he drinks beer!
(http://tipsjust4u.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/cat_drinking_beer-129501.jpg)
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Haha. I run 34 miles a week when I'm not training for a marathon. That means I can drink all the half-beers I want to and not get fat. ;D
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Haha. I run 34 miles a week when I'm not training for a marathon. That means I can drink all the half-beers I want to and not get fat. ;D
(http://epicr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/fat-lolcat1.jpg)
;D
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when someone refers to health care reform as "Obamacare" you know right then and there they are not serious and have no interest in engaging in a substantial conversation..
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when someone refers to health care reform as "Obamacare" you know right then and there they are not serious and have no interest in engaging in a substantial conversation..
+1.
right up there with the folks who insist on calling him Barack HUSSEIN Obama, with emphasis on his middle name as if it means something.
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awesome - mr. gallagher and i agree on something, this thread has turned out alright after all! and i learned that frank is incredibly introspective, self-aware and open to self-criticism. ain't life just grand?
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No, it's your fellow insurance premium payers paying higher rates to support for your crippled ass.
It is not the governments business to protect me from myself or save me from poor financial decision i may make.
I have insurance. I pay for the plan I choose to have and get the coverage I have paid for. I pay the co-pays and deductibles that are my responsibility. None of that has an impact on any one else. Everyone has the right to make the same choice. If someone chooses not to buy insurance then it is not the "gummints" job to force me to cover them. Far too many folks are foolish enough to think that just because the "gummint" provides something that it means it is free. TANSTAAFL.
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It is not the governments business to protect me from myself or save me from poor financial decision i may make.
completely agreed - but health care costs are out of the control of any single person. it is the government's job to provide social services, especially ones where the private sector is failing.
you can think within the system, "this is how things work - a family of four should budget thousands per year for health care. deal with it". or you can take a step back and ask yourself, "why should anyone have to pay that much for something so necessary, within a system that is so broken?"
my opinions are colored by the fact that i believe that health care is a basic right, not a privilege. you should contribute towards its cost but those costs should not be allowed to run out of control to the point where health care is unattainable.
"obamacare" does run the risk of being ineffective due to a convervative government coming in and slashing funding
good point. makes for great politicking - kill the opposition's plan through lack of funding, then point out what a failure their plan was. brilliant!
The whole problem starts with the fact that health care in the country is (for most people) tied to where they work. The FIRST thing we need to do is make it so that employers CANNOT be your source of health care at all period. I don't get my auto insurance or my homeowners through my employer, why heath insurance? Makes ZERO sense. I am not saying that employers cannot provide a benefit of assisting in paying your premium, I am saying they ought not be allowed to be the provider. It you think about it you will comprehend the sound logic behind it.
As far as health care being a right, I do not agree on that as a carte blanche statement. We all have decision to make as to where we spend our money. If someone chooses to buy (what to me are) far less important things than insurance, well that is their choice and they assume the risk. I am not the one who should assume that risk for you. The debate that "I can't afford insurance" really means "I choose to make other purchases instead of insurance".
My insurance for my family of four is $180 a month. That is less than my Comcast bill. The company we have insurance with has four plans. We took the 3rd of four price-wise and pay the related copays etc. We budget for it and it is money well spent.
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No, it's your fellow insurance premium payers paying higher rates to support for your crippled ass.
It is not the governments business to protect me from myself or save me from poor financial decision i may make.
So who the hell do you think is paying for the uninsured in the gummits health care system? Oh yeah thats right the easter bunny...
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"Nurse Kitty needs to draw some blood. This shouldn't hurt too much. Just don't fight back"
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I misread the thread title. I thought it said "Obamacore," which I figured was just some new East African sub-genre of technically polished but ultimately feckless pop pablum.
lulz
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I misread the thread title. I thought it said "Obamacore," which I figured was just some new East African sub-genre of technically polished but ultimately feckless pop pablum.
OBAMACORE
(http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Obama+Campaigns+Across+Final+Week+Before+Election+4_YVhttOGgyl.jpg)
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I misread the thread title. I thought it said "Obamacore," which I figured was just some new East African sub-genre of technically polished but ultimately feckless pop pablum.
OBAMACORE
(http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Obama+Campaigns+Across+Final+Week+Before+Election+4_YVhttOGgyl.jpg)
Caption contest.
Obama - "yo whitey...who the fuck are you again?"
Bruce - "I paid for your election victory"
Obama - "say wa mofo?"
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I have noticed Obama DOES talk that way. You've got his mannerisms down, guy.
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http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2011/04/08/man-drives-around-with-dead-friend-for-3-days/?cxntlid=thbz_hm
He took his buddy to the polls to vote for Obama..YO!
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It's been well documented that the dead are always coming out to vote in Baltimore.
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Allen Poe being the pioneer in that regard eh?
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
dude, this country voted for george w bush twice. if they were stupid enough to do that, obama is a shoo-in.
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
dude, this country voted for george w bush twice. if they were stupid enough to do that, obama is a shoo-in.
.....wait...did manc and sweetcell just agree on something? :o
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
dude, this country voted for george w bush twice. if they were stupid enough to do that, obama is a shoo-in.
I think its arguable whether Bush would have totaled more votes in Florida if they had actually all been counted... I tend to think Gore would have won...
The Republicans played the system better and ultimately used their +1 in the Supreme Court to their advantage in a ridiculous and rather strange decision to overturn a State Supreme Court's decision to actually count the votes...
Think about that one for a second regardless of what side of the fence you may be on (not you Sweetcell.. the lemmings): the US Supreme Court decided- by a very weak 5 to 4 eh- that the constitution did not grant the state of Florida the right and authority to count the votes of its own residents to determine what delegates it would send to the electoral college...
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
dude, this country voted for george w bush twice. if they were stupid enough to do that, obama is a shoo-in.
.....wait...did manc and sweetcell just agree on something? :o
Same here!
Without getting into nitpicking the details for either of these psychos, there's still more than enough fools around still defending both of them. Almost clones of each other if you don't get hung up on looks or affiliated parties.
Anyone who did, or does, vote for 2nd terms for either of these owned and controlled traitors fits the definition of insanity. You know, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
dude, this country voted for george w bush twice. if they were stupid enough to do that, obama is a shoo-in.
.....wait...did manc and sweetcell just agree on something? :o
Same here!
Without getting into nitpicking the details for either of these psychos, there's still more than enough fools around still defending both of them. Almost clones of each other if you don't get hung up on looks or affiliated parties.
Anyone who did, or does, vote for 2nd terms for either of these owned and controlled traitors fits the definition of insanity. You know, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
So out of curiosity, what are y'all going to do if the opposing candidate is even less desirable. Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Ron Paul, Huckabee, Gingrich, Santorum? Words like 'insanity', 'psychos', and 'stupid' fit with pretty much all the assumed opposing candidates.
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You are assuming that there will be only one choice. That's one of our biggest problems. Allowing the illusion of the 2 party paradigm to control your options.
Personally, I'd take Ron Paul out of any of the ones you listed. I voted for him in '08 and probably will again in '12. And please don't throw the 'Republican' or 'Tea Party' labels around with him. He rarely votes along with his own party and they often go out of their way to disenfranchise him. Also, I've heard him say how he refuses to align himself with the Tea Party because most of them are 180 degrees opposite of what he stands for.
By the way, I used those words you quoted because both Bush and Obama have proven over and over and over again that they totally fit what they mean. It has nothing whatsoever to do with party affiliation as you seem to assume. I don't play those games. Unlike too many Americans, I don't view elections as just another game such as football. I couldn't care less which party any candidate belongs to. It's all about they themselves, what they've done and what they have to offer. I'd love to have Ron Paul for president and Dennis Kuncinich as vice president.
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
dude, this country voted for george w bush twice. if they were stupid enough to do that, obama is a shoo-in.
I REALLY wish that one party would give us someone worth a fuck to vote for for a change. The last several elections it has been a lesser of two retards battle. The one thing we don't need though is yet another savior leading us to the promised land.
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I'm just wondering if the public will be dumb enough to re-elect him. Fool me once and all...
dude, this country voted for george w bush twice. if they were stupid enough to do that, obama is a shoo-in.
I think its arguable whether Bush would have totaled more votes in Florida if they had actually all been counted... I tend to think Gore would have won...
The Republicans played the system better and ultimately used their +1 in the Supreme Court to their advantage in a ridiculous and rather strange decision to overturn a State Supreme Court's decision to actually count the votes...
Think about that one for a second regardless of what side of the fence you may be on (not you Sweetcell.. the lemmings): the US Supreme Court decided- by a very weak 5 to 4 eh- that the constitution did not grant the state of Florida the right and authority to count the votes of its own residents to determine what delegates it would send to the electoral college...
I'm not sure who would have ended up the winner but I agree the Repubs played the game well. Their game was to delay it all until it was too late and that they did.
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Unless we're talking about Jesus cuz he's legit as fuck.
The one thing we don't need though is yet another savior leading us to the promised land.
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Unless we're talking about Jesus cuz he's legit as fuck.
The one thing we don't need though is yet another savior leading us to the promised land.
For those who choose to believe that story you are correct.
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.....this is your future America if Obama achieves his long term goal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12964360
Hey! Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just say'n...
"not intended to be a factual statement"
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^ Spammer!
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yeah those tories must be stopped
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again, the US is not dismantling down the private health care system.
OMG LOOK IN RUSSIA THEY HAVE NO HEALTH CARE AT ALL EVERYONE VOTE REPUBLICAN NOT SOCIALIST ELSE PUTIN WILL COME TAKE AWAY YER DOKTORZ!!! = an equally compelling and valid argument, AKA another example of apples & jackhammers.
there are plenty of things wrong with the current round of medical reform. it's sad that its opposition has to resort to fear and invalid comparisons to attack it, instead of going after its logical shortcomings. oh, wait, that's the way a conservative mind works... (http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/08/liberal-vs-conservative-does-the-difference-lie-in-the-brain/) ;D
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Gallagher's logic leaves a lot to be desired.. no surprise.
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