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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sweetcell on August 10, 2011, 11:04:12 am
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http://www.craveonline.com/music/articles/172103-5-reasons-why-indie-rock-doesnt-rock
discuss, emphasis on "diss".
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http://www.craveonline.com/music/articles/172103-5-reasons-why-indie-rock-doesnt-rock
discuss, emphasis on "diss".
Quite possibly the most annoying website pop ups EVER.
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All I know is that I recently got satellite radio and it really is a rarity to hear one of their alt stations play something that "rocks". Not counting the silly Lithium channel.
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When I put my iPod on shuffle, I find it really refreshing when anything with a heavy beat or guitar riff comes on. I think that's why so few of these newer bands catch my ear. I think once people start covering Black Sabbath and the Ramones again then music will get some edge back. But there really isn't much that engages me. I like some indie rock...but most of it bores me to tears.
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All I know is that I recently got satellite radio and it really is a rarity to hear one of their alt stations play something that "rocks". Not counting the silly Lithium channel.
when sirius began . . . they were awesome. awesome. now they suck. all music stations overplay all music, most being reduced to loop computers controlled programming. not even stern can save that sinking ship. i only listen to the gay channel and the news now . . . the only good stuff left.
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if some new band could somehow channel ACDC i think they'd be huge...
but no one seems interested in doing that.. its been that way for about 15 years now at least....sad.
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You're right. There are shitloads of Beavis and Buttheads whose music needs are totally being ignored.
if some new band could somehow channel ACDC i think they'd be huge...
but no one seems interested in doing that.. its been that way for about 15 years now at least....sad.
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Most of the music this guy is dissing does nothing for me. I don't really keep up with this type of stuff.
But.
People that write this kind of snotty, snide, sniveling shit sound just as bad to me as the people they are railing against. I want that 2 minutes of my life back. My 9 year old daughter could have written that drivel.
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if some new band could somehow channel ACDC i think they'd be huge...
Yeah. That's exactly what we need, we already aren't bombarded by it in every commercial, at every high school, college or professional sporting event and on the streets of every fucking suburb and exurb in the United States.
Exactly what the world needs: MORE AC?DC.
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if some new band could somehow channel ACDC i think they'd be huge...
Yeah. That's exactly what we need, we already aren't bombarded by it in every commercial, at every high school, college or professional sporting event and on the streets of every fucking suburb and exurb in the United States.
Exactly what the world needs: MORE AC?DC.
you missed the point.. we're bombarded by the same old acdc tunes.. why cant a new band do that?
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No, that is my point. We don't need a new band doing the same shit.
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Most of the music this guy is dissing does nothing for me. I don't really keep up with this type of stuff.
But.
People that write this kind of snotty, snide, sniveling shit sound just as bad to me as the people they are railing against. I want that 2 minutes of my life back. My 9 year old daughter could have written that drivel.
This.
P.S. Where did Comets on Fire go?
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No, that is my point. We don't need a new band doing the same shit.
Same shit? You mean Chuck Berry rock and roll?
we absolutely do need that..desperately.
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i mean sayin we don't need bands like acdc is akin to sayin we don't need rock and roll..
screw the solos..screw the fun and party..screw songs about booze and girls
what are you left with?
very boring music no one wants to listen to thats what..
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ACDC has had maybe a half dozen good songs out of...how may songs have they recorded?
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ACDC has had maybe a half dozen good songs out of...how may songs have they recorded?
half a dozen? You're drunk. the entire back in black album- that is 10 songs for you young ones- is phenomenal.
half a dozen? seriously? listen to the music before talkin
but ok you get hung up on acdc fine.. the point was we need bands like acdc NOT acdc.. there is only one acdc.. bon scott- last time i checked -aint comin back
bands who sing songs about what rock and roll is.. girls, havin an actual good time.. partying
stones, groovies, geils, acdc, berry.. when you get away from that its BORING and its not rock and roll so don't be surprised when no one gives a shit.
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how may songs have they recorded?
one.
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Comets on fire broke up, didn't they. It's too bad. Their last show at the Black Cat was great. They played every song like it was THE song. The world needs more Comets on Fire.
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are they, like, an AC/DC cover band?
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how may songs have they recorded?
one.
yeah whatever.. and chuck berry wrote one song too and that song - recorded in 50 variations- spawned the beatles AND rolling stones..
whats your point?
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hutch - i was makin' jokin'. i like ac/dc, even if their catalog is variations on a single theme (and that theme is "let's kick ass" ;D)
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hutch - i was makin' jokin'. i like ac/dc, even if their catalog is variations on a single theme (and that theme is "let's kick ass" ;D)
ac dc is what its all about.. if you don't get ac dc you just don't get rock and roll.
In the beginning
Back in nineteen fifty-five
Man didn't know about a rock 'n' roll show
And all that jive
The white man had the schmaltz
The black man had the blues
No one knew what they was gonna do
But Tchaikovsky had the news
He said -
"Let there be sound," and there was sound
"Let there be lights," and there was lights
"Let there be drums," and there was drums
"Let there be guitar," and there was guitar
"Let there be rock"
And it came to pass
That rock 'n' roll was born
All across the land every rockin' band
Was blowing up a storm
The guitar man got famous
The businessman got rich
And in every bar there was a super star
With a seven year itch
There were fifteen million fingers
Learning how to play
And you could hear the fingers picking
And this is what they had to say
"Let there be light"
"Sound"
"Drums"
"Guitar"
"Let there be rock"
One night in a club called 'The Shaking Hand'
There was a forty-two decibel rocking band
The music was good and the music was loud
And the singer turned and he said to the crowd -
"Let there be rock"
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I agree with article. indie hiPSTERS make me want to puke..
this particularly hit home:
02. I Am Irony Maaaaan
This is one that really pisses me off. For some reason the indie hipster crowd need everything to be an ironic joke. It?s as if they?re afraid to take anything seriously because it might force them to have to take responsibility for what they do. If the whole thing is a nudge-nudge-wink-wink bit of humor, then when the music sucks they can claim it was all a big punch line. The bigger problem is they take everything that once mattered and make it their little joke. They wear Iron Maiden and AC/DC shirts ironically, then talk about bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and so on with a mocking tone. This lack of reverence for these bands translates to a lack of understanding and thusly a lack of being able to rock. For some of us this music is everything, it?s the lifeblood and watching bands belittle it for their pathetic little scene sucks.
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I most appreciated the fact where he tells us what music you cant listen to 'to get it on'. Im paraphrasing because no way in hell am i subjecting even more time to that article.
I guess Death Cab, BSS and others are just not good music that you can possibly swoon a woman with. I dunno transatlantacism is a pretty good album just for that reason. im not saying 'it rocks', but damn - who the hell needs that kind of music if youre just trying to have sex.
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I have heard mixed things. They did play the Sub Pop 20th anniversary fest as well as some European shows not that long ago. I plan on hounding Chasny about it if I can bring myself to go to a Lambert venue next week. Chasny can do no wrong but Ethan's band Howlin' Rain is garbage.
Comets on fire broke up, didn't they. It's too bad. Their last show at the Black Cat was great. They played every song like it was THE song. The world needs more Comets on Fire.
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well
04. Don?t Dress The Part, Kick Out The Jams!! - this is why I fart in the general direction of bands like Free Energy it's like a bunch of kids who watched that 70s show one to many times and playing dress-up
03. Genre Layering Won?t Save You - this one is a personal pet peeve of mine...
The availability of GarageBand has resulted in nothing more than endless records that sound like warmed over demos. I also wonder how many bands even bother to master their final product anymore.
Before the advent of GarageBand, bands spent time playing gigs honing their craft before taking time to record. Now they get together write, record and hope the blogsphere begins the hype. So many over hyped band get out on tours without doing serious time in front of an audience before hand...
There is a reason why records of yore still sound good, it's because it they were recorded in proper studios with a producer and engineer. I've been listening to lots of 80s remixes of late and then they were done in a studio by the manipulation of tape, etc. Remixing is all the rage now, problem now is their done by Indie Rock Hacks sitting in front of a laptop with Garage band.
I wonder when the last time a band listened to a final mix in say a car. I guess if the final product sounds good on crappy ear buds that's all that matter anymore
And of course the ability to auto-tune any crappy singer makes for even crappy live performances...
ultra snide remark, based on the band feature on NPR this morning it would appear folk music is now code for anyone who can't sing or write decent songs
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All I know is that I recently got satellite radio and it really is a rarity to hear one of their alt stations play something that "rocks". Not counting the silly Lithium channel.
when sirius began . . . they were awesome. awesome. now they suck. all music stations overplay all music, most being reduced to loop computers controlled programming. not even stern can save that sinking ship. i only listen to the gay channel and the news now . . . the only good stuff left.
I bought a new car so I have a 3 month Sirius trial. The only 2 stations I have programed are SiriusXMU and the Deep Tracks one. For XMU I sometimes listen on my morning and evening commute and I've seriously heard maybe 20 different songs over the last 3 weeks. They play the same songs over and over and over. I thought the indie station would at least play a wider variety...
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jet sucks
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MGMT rock indily.
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Not much of an MGMT fan but I will give them credit where it is due.
They did an excellent job with this song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu9ui_bJPo8)
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They definitely play a different loop than the ones the free radio stations play. But it's a loop nonetheless and it wasn't long before it wore out its welcome.
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the old school show on XMU is pretty good. I like Blogger radio too. Still better than the radio.
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jet sucks
Totally agree. Horrible horrible band.
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jet sucks
Totally agree. Horrible horrible band.
but they're exactly what the article is clamoring for, right?
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but they're exactly what the article is clamoring for, right?
that wasn't my impression... what makes you think that?
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but they're exactly what the article is clamoring for, right?
that wasn't my impression... what makes you think that?
That are you gonna come my way song was catchy and cute....but around the time it came out I was listening to that album in a friend's car and I was honestly shocked at how bad it was.
When talk of bringing back acdc started, my mind went straight to jet. Thats what we'd get.
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jet sucks
Totally agree. Horrible horrible band.
but they're exactly what the article is clamoring for, right?
absolutely not. ... jet are complete poseurs.. and they are not acdc poseurs.. they are rolling stones poseurs.
I saw a magazine 'spread' on them a few years ago... they had the jack daniels bottles, keith look down to a science..
you know guys, you can be genuine and still make chuck berry rock and roll... and every indie band you guys wet your pants over has plenty of role models, influences and blueprints.. they dont' come up with their music in a vacumn. its just the wrong blueprint..its not rock..its not rock and roll..its no fun.
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That "My Ding a Ling" song totally rocks.
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That "My Ding a Ling" song totally rocks.
No one is perfect.. not even Chuck Berry.. but he did pretty much take rock and roll to the next level and if you could credit anyone for its "invention" it would be him. What did John Lennon say? If you could use another word for rock and roll you could call it "Chuck Berry"..(I paraphrase)
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Read this. This is what he's talking about.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/27321/in-on-the-killjoy
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Read this. This is what he's talking about.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/27321/in-on-the-killjoy
couldn't agree more with that article.... i remember reading it when it came out and i still think about it.. heck just came up last week when my friends band was playing a show.
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Read this. This is what he's talking about.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/27321/in-on-the-killjoy
couldn't agree more with that article.... i remember reading it when it came out and i still think about it.. heck just came up last week when my friends band was playing a show.
A really good friend of mine wrote that. You would not believe that backlash he experienced from the DC hipster mafia...he was definitely persona non grata around here. So much drama...turned into a total scandal among my group of friends. I loved it.
The article did go a little over the top, but it was satire.
A good read though. And the whole story surrounding it, from how it was conceived to the inevitable fallout is solid gold.
And the artwork was priceless...Ian and Guy dressed up as puritan pilgrims was effing brilliant.
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That "My Ding a Ling" song totally rocks.
sure does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI&ob=av3e
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DC rock is mostly still as up its own ass as that article made it out to be in 2003.
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When talk of bringing back acdc started, my mind went straight to jet. Thats what we'd get.
exactly, we've seen what this results in (jet), and it sucks ... sorry ...
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You should be a writer for Rolling Stone.
That "My Ding a Ling" song totally rocks.
No one is perfect.. not even Chuck Berry.. but he did pretty much take rock and roll to the next level and if you could credit anyone for its "invention" it would be him. What did John Lennon say? If you could use another word for rock and roll you could call it "Chuck Berry"..(I paraphrase)
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You should be a writer for Rolling Stone.
That "My Ding a Ling" song totally rocks.
No one is perfect.. not even Chuck Berry.. but he did pretty much take rock and roll to the next level and if you could credit anyone for its "invention" it would be him. What did John Lennon say? If you could use another word for rock and roll you could call it "Chuck Berry"..(I paraphrase)
don't be such a tea partier..
ignorance is nothing to be proud of.
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Read this. This is what he's talking about.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/27321/in-on-the-killjoy
couldn't agree more with that article.... i remember reading it when it came out and i still think about it.. heck just came up last week when my friends band was playing a show.
A really good friend of mine wrote that. You would not believe that backlash he experienced from the DC hipster mafia...he was definitely persona non grata around here. So much drama...turned into a total scandal among my group of friends. I loved it.
The article did go a little over the top, but it was satire.
A good read though. And the whole story surrounding it, from how it was conceived to the inevitable fallout is solid gold.
And the artwork was priceless...Ian and Guy dressed up as puritan pilgrims was effing brilliant.
I believe it..this town has for a long time had a dischord mafia which extends in all sorts of ways including bookings... they sell 10 records a year, play to 25 people at free shows at fort reno but it goes on.. .truly sad. i mean what more can you say when Ian M. says that its not about fun..
Yeah Ian, I go to shows to have a bad time.. WTF
and thats one of the main reasons most dc bands move up to new york city to "make it"
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That "My Ding a Ling" song totally rocks.
No one is perfect.. not even Chuck Berry.. but he did pretty much take rock and roll to the next level and if you could credit anyone for its "invention" it would be him. What did John Lennon say? If you could use another word for rock and roll you could call it "Chuck Berry"..(I paraphrase)
Pssh.. Chuck Berry just ripped off Marty McFly ..now that guy was ahead of his time.
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The Alt Nation channel has heard your cries and added Mumford and Sons to their rotation.
I'm now down to the xmu channel. That's it.
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Hey Hutch,
Here's one for you. Rock aint dead yet.
Love,
James
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kConZNlWtsA
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That "My Ding a Ling" song totally rocks.
A cover, he did it to fill time at a concert. Did not realize it was being recorded.
That said, as a 6 year old, that was on heavy rotation. Still have the album.
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Wait this Jet song actually rocks and it was released before the Buzzcocks came together
Jet - Nothing to do with us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BefemkiGSls
I first heard this on the Glitterbest: 20 Pre Punk 'n' Glam Tyerrace Stompers comp and the review on allmusic is priceless...
There isn't a single redeeming quality to Glitterbest: 20 Pre Punk 'n' Glam Terrace Stompers. Nothing but good old dumb fun.
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You won't find any of this stuff in the history books and no one would ever call any of these bands innovators or visionaries. So what. Crank it up next time you want to bug your neighbors, blast it out of your car speakers, embrace it as the offspring of the ridiculous novelty singles of the '50s that you always turn up when they get played by accident on oldies radio. Have fun! That is what rock & roll is truly about and Glitterbest is 100 percent rock & roll.
http://allmusic.com/album/glitterbest-20-pre-punk-n-glam-tyerrace-stompers-r679224/review
So once upon a time Indie Rock did in fact rock, because it was probably more about picking up chicks then doing it because it's "cool"
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http://youtu.be/wvdFnINlN6Q
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except that the jet on glitterbest isn't the same as what we're talking about...
glitterbest: "Recording Date: 1971 - 1974"
jet, the australian band: formed in 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_%28band%29)
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except that the jet on glitterbest isn't the same as what we're talking about...
glitterbest: "Recording Date: 1971 - 1974"
jet, the australian band: formed in 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_%28band%29)
duh
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Man, this cracked me up.
except that the jet on glitterbest isn't the same as what we're talking about...
glitterbest: "Recording Date: 1971 - 1974"
jet, the australian band: formed in 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_%28band%29)
duh