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Title: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 08, 2014, 07:30:34 pm
heard about via twitter

Well street parking was gonna get tough with the new building next to the club and now it's gonna be impossible to find

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-guide/wp/2014/01/08/landmark-announces-movie-theater-near-u-street/

A six-screen movie theater will open in JBG's mixed-use development at the former Atlantic Plumbing building near the 9:30 Club, at 8th and V Streets NW, in 2015.

Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 08, 2014, 07:56:12 pm
Knew this day was coming. Bummer for sure.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2014, 09:04:08 pm
That day is largely already here...tons of the parking spots near the club are now metered..
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 08, 2014, 09:37:22 pm
Well the meters on V street near the restaurant expire at 6:30pm, almost learned that one the hard  way had I not seen the guy on the segway passing out tickets when i got there early for the Trombone Shorty show.  The parking along the street where the plumbing company used to was pretty much meter free, but all the parking on one side of that street is now gone due to construction. 

I don't mind paying for parking as long as it's reasonable, but reasonable and parking in DC rarely go hand in hand.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2014, 10:05:05 pm
well what are you going to do.... before you could find parking everywhere but your car might not be there when you got back (or you'd have a broken window).... now there is no parking but your car is in great shape as it drives around the block looking for parking.. ;D


i think if you know the lay of the land you still should be ok except fridays and saturdays which are already a big pain....most people going to this movie theater are going to take metro or walk..

the whole area around U Street has become a big clusterfuck.. i'm just not into that scene at all...its like a competition to get ripped off or something.....

I wouldn't completely rule out the 930 moving .. or the Black Cat for that matter.... at some point its hard to compete with the offer a developer will make in order to turn to the land into 10 floors of condos..... although I guess there is precedent.. I mean look at Irving Plaza in Gramercy Park, NYC!

For me a rock club should be in a dump of an area.... think Electric Factory in Philly..

ducks....
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: BearHatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 08, 2014, 10:49:44 pm
Parking...my least favorite feature of seeing shows.   :-\
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: Julian, Hyperpop SLUTFUCK on January 08, 2014, 10:56:22 pm
Parking...my least favorite feature of seeing shows.   :-\
Mine is the standing waiting for bands because I suffer from leg pain and feel bad using my handicap license to get into preferred seating because other people have it worse.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: Unsanity on January 09, 2014, 01:46:39 am
Oh crap. I always park in that area. It was always kinda shady but never had my car broken into. This sucks.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: Seth Hurwitz on January 09, 2014, 08:38:46 am
we're not going anywhere

we also sell parking online with tickets
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: hutch on January 09, 2014, 09:59:40 am
I always get an extra buzz when Seth responds to something I write (even if it is usually to tell me I'm wrong!)

 ;D

I still say its hard to predict where the 930 Club will be in a decade or two..
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 09, 2014, 10:03:36 am
I am more worried about the Black Cat than 930.
Would be shocked if 930 goes anywhere anytime soon.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on January 09, 2014, 10:25:44 am
I rarely park near the club anyway, this is a bummer though. At least there will be a movie theatre!
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 09, 2014, 10:31:33 am
I learned about the parking changes near the Black Cat the hard way.  Was running late one night and found a spot on a street I had always parkled on.  Didn't notcie the new signs.  $40.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: sweetcell on January 09, 2014, 11:06:30 am
we're not going anywhere

we also sell parking online with tickets

i don't think anyone was implying that the 930 is going anywhere.

yes, you sell parking... but the point of all this is that were will be less free street parking once theater-goers start invading the neighborhood.  the 930's lot is going to sell out that much faster and folks are going to need to park a mile away.  once upon a time the $12 parking charge was optional, soon we'll need to tack on $10-12 for parking every time we want to go to a show.  this might not be good news for you, seth - the parking lot sell-outs might not make up for the people who will be turned off by needing to pay for something they previously got free.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 09, 2014, 11:21:54 am
i buy a parking pass everytime i buy a ticket.  i park in the nine thirty lot every time.  safe, cheaper than most garages and super close and money goes into seth pockets, so he can have something to play with instead of his manly cock.  end of thread.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: BearHatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2014, 01:11:12 pm
heres a thought...The friends with Benefits points can be used to buy parking
or if you have a FWB card...you get discounted parking

come on...hook up your friends
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: sweetcell on January 09, 2014, 01:30:26 pm
great idea, sidehatch.

this might not be good news for you, seth - the parking lot sell-outs might not make up for the people who will be turned off by needing to pay for something they previously got free.

forgot to add: whether patrons are forced to pay you or someone else for parking, attending the 930 will become more expensive for no real improvement in the experience.  not that there is a whole lot you can do about it...
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: atomic on January 09, 2014, 02:04:52 pm
great idea, sidehatch.

this might not be good news for you, seth - the parking lot sell-outs might not make up for the people who will be turned off by needing to pay for something they previously got free.

forgot to add: whether patrons are forced to pay you or someone else for parking, attending the 930 will become more expensive for no real improvement in the experience.  not that there is a whole lot you can do about it...

Well if the neighborhood becomes nicer that is a bonus.  Like if more restaurants open in the area you could get something to eat before the show.  Also less crime in the area is a bonus to me. 
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: atomic on January 09, 2014, 02:08:14 pm

For me a rock club should be in a dump of an area.... think Electric Factory in Philly..

Actually I would prefer it if everywhere was nice and there were no "dumps of an area".  If there is a choice I would rather go to an area with less crime and had more people around.  Valet parking would be nice.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: BearHatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2014, 02:23:30 pm
  Valet parking would be nice.
So do you drink your pink zin with your pinky extended
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: Julian, Hyperpop SLUTFUCK on January 09, 2014, 02:32:18 pm
  Valet parking would be nice.
^^
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: ggw on January 09, 2014, 03:08:24 pm
Valet parking would be nice.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: RatBastard on January 09, 2014, 03:20:18 pm
Valet parking would be nice.

Hmmm business opportunity here!  Wonder who might jump on that and provide a service that seems to be wanted?  Wish I lived in the area, I would be all over this one.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: BearHatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 09, 2014, 03:22:50 pm
what a bunch of wussies...valet parking for a rock show
this isn't the opera

come on,  the 930 parking lot is right behind the venue


but again...I hate to agree with RB, but business opp lurking
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: RatBastard on January 09, 2014, 03:25:12 pm
but again...I hate to agree with RB, but business opp lurking


Don't be afraid.  It only hurts the first time.  Shut up Walky! :P
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: ggw on January 09, 2014, 03:36:08 pm
what a bunch of wussies...valet parking for a rock show
this isn't the opera

come on,  the 930 parking lot is right behind the venue


but again...I hate to agree with RB, but business opp lurking

It's not 1983 and we're not seeing Minor Threat or Marginal Man at the Wilson Center.

The lot fills up (or sells out in advance) for the better attended shows. 

Like it or not, the Club is a business.  Premium products at premium prices tend to be very lucrative business decisions.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: showlistdc on January 09, 2014, 04:09:35 pm
I am more worried about the Black Cat than 930.
Would be shocked if 930 goes anywhere anytime soon.

Doesn't the Black Cat own its space?  I believe that was the response last time there was an "OMG, the BlacK Cat lost its lease!" rumor (about a year or two ago).
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 09, 2014, 05:39:28 pm
That I didn't know.
Good to know!


I doubt either will go anywhere any time soon but I figured if anyone was vulnerable, it's the Black Cat but it sounds like that's not true.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 09, 2014, 05:41:33 pm
great idea, sidehatch.

this might not be good news for you, seth - the parking lot sell-outs might not make up for the people who will be turned off by needing to pay for something they previously got free.

forgot to add: whether patrons are forced to pay you or someone else for parking, attending the 930 will become more expensive for no real improvement in the experience.  not that there is a whole lot you can do about it...

Well if the neighborhood becomes nicer that is a bonus.  Like if more restaurants open in the area you could get something to eat before the show.  Also less crime in the area is a bonus to me. 


If I had to choose, I'd rather be around window smashers than white collar criminals. Then again, I don't drive.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 09, 2014, 07:22:18 pm
boy does it ever hurt the first time.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 09, 2014, 08:08:51 pm
Goddamnit you just ruined this song for me. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuC8jh829cw)
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 09, 2014, 08:32:00 pm
l . . . o . . . l
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: RatBastard on January 09, 2014, 10:13:09 pm
Somehow I knew it was just a matter of time!
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: grateful on January 15, 2014, 04:13:54 pm
Movie Theatre?  It has been rendered. (http://www.popville.com/2014/01/more-rendering-of-6-screen-landmark-movie-theater-coming-to-8th-and-v-st-nw-in-late-2015/)
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: James Ford on January 15, 2014, 04:17:05 pm
Why does a movie theater opening mean we'll have to pay to park near the 9:30 club?
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: grateful on January 15, 2014, 04:40:28 pm
Well, the movie theatre will be right next door...in the Atlantic Plumbing building.  So the thinking is that there will be substantial competition for the free spots and/or they'll convert free parking to paid.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: grateful on January 15, 2014, 04:41:48 pm
Were you not paying attention?
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: atomic on January 15, 2014, 05:07:21 pm
Well, the movie theatre will be right next door...in the Atlantic Plumbing building.  So the thinking is that there will be substantial competition for the free spots and/or they'll convert free parking to paid.

Maybe they are planning on building parking.  I doubt they will be successful as a movie theater without additional parking in the area. 
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: BearHatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 15, 2014, 07:04:14 pm
Well, the movie theatre will be right next door...in the Atlantic Plumbing building.  So the thinking is that there will be substantial competition for the free spots and/or they'll convert free parking to paid.

Maybe they are planning on building parking.  I doubt they will be successful as a movie theater without additional parking in the area. 
and you don't think they won't charge for that parking...making the movie goers look for free parking
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: slappy on February 05, 2014, 04:21:38 pm
I think pay parking is inevitable from the latest renderings.
(http://www.popville.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/1526631_456348557821755_254351363_n-e1391621067522.jpg)

(http://www.popville.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/995031_456348561155088_283793111_n-e1391621026213.jpg)

http://www.popville.com/2014/02/check-out-some-sick-renderings-of-the-exterior-of-atlantic-plumbing-development-coming-to-8th-and-v-st-nw-by-930-club/?ic_source=ic-featured-frontpage-top (http://www.popville.com/2014/02/check-out-some-sick-renderings-of-the-exterior-of-atlantic-plumbing-development-coming-to-8th-and-v-st-nw-by-930-club/?ic_source=ic-featured-frontpage-top)
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: atomic on February 05, 2014, 04:24:51 pm
Wow that neighborhood is going to be a heck of a lot nicer. 
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 05, 2014, 07:14:44 pm
by the time that is done . . . the club will have probably moved, just in time for the last star wars film and rocky five, thousand.  so stop complaining.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: slappy on February 06, 2014, 12:41:10 pm
by the time that is done . . . the club will have probably moved, just in time for the last star wars film and rocky five, thousand.  so stop complaining.
Uh ... The theater is scheduled to open next year. They've already broke ground and are setting up the cranes. Sure, construction can get behind, but it won't be ages.

LOVE the comments on the Popville page.

"I assume the first picture shows the side of the building that borders Georgia/7th? Just what is that ugly-ass building with the big antennae? I?ve walked past it so many times and can?t figure out what it is, other than a street-deadening eyesore." 

"Gee, I guess the 930 Club?s thugs won?t come out and assault people for walking that alley during a show anymore, like they did to me?"

"It would be cool if 930 did some big ass murals or something to liven their building?it is a bit of a dump."


Kids these days ...
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: Yada on February 06, 2014, 01:12:36 pm
by the time that is done . . . the club will have probably moved, just in time for the last star wars film and rocky five, thousand.  so stop complaining.
Uh ... The theater is scheduled to open next year. They've already broke ground and are setting up the cranes. Sure, construction can get behind, but it won't be ages.

LOVE the comments on the Popville page.

"I assume the first picture shows the side of the building that borders Georgia/7th? Just what is that ugly-ass building with the big antennae? I?ve walked past it so many times and can?t figure out what it is, other than a street-deadening eyesore." 

"Gee, I guess the 930 Club?s thugs won?t come out and assault people for walking that alley during a show anymore, like they did to me?"

"It would be cool if 930 did some big ass murals or something to liven their building?it is a bit of a dump."


Kids these days ...

All things lead back to DC being yuppiefied to the max. Everything is fake, just how atomic and walky like it.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: atomic on February 06, 2014, 01:20:14 pm
by the time that is done . . . the club will have probably moved, just in time for the last star wars film and rocky five, thousand.  so stop complaining.
Uh ... The theater is scheduled to open next year. They've already broke ground and are setting up the cranes. Sure, construction can get behind, but it won't be ages.

LOVE the comments on the Popville page.

"I assume the first picture shows the side of the building that borders Georgia/7th? Just what is that ugly-ass building with the big antennae? I?ve walked past it so many times and can?t figure out what it is, other than a street-deadening eyesore." 

"Gee, I guess the 930 Club?s thugs won?t come out and assault people for walking that alley during a show anymore, like they did to me?"

"It would be cool if 930 did some big ass murals or something to liven their building?it is a bit of a dump."


Kids these days ...

All things lead back to DC being yuppiefied to the max. Everything is fake, just how atomic and walky like it.

Yeah the good old days when bums lived in that alley and all the windows in those buidlings had gun shots in them.  I think this is good for IMP either way.  More people feel safe in the area so they can get more people to attend shows or they can sell the place for a nice profit and find another neighborhood down on its luck.   

Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2014, 01:29:56 pm
slightly off-topic, but does anyone know if the antenna on top of the 930 is still in use?  if so, by whom?
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: slappy on February 06, 2014, 03:58:21 pm
I believe it's a Verizon Cell phone tower now.
WUST uses a tower in Fairfax.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-guide/files/2013/06/image001.jpg)

(http://www.johninmontana.com/dc/wust.jpg)
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 06, 2014, 05:29:47 pm
Ugh. More of this vanilla bullshit. I'm ALL for new buildings and new establishments, but 14th street looks fucking RIDICULOUS now. There's so many new retaurants and bars and they all look the fucking same. I'm getting sick of this shit. Let all the fucking yuppies run amock. Dupont Circle all over DC.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2014, 05:37:22 pm
It's so funny hearing people complain about gentrification.  If you want blight, trust me there's plenty of it still out there.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: atomic on February 06, 2014, 05:40:06 pm
It's so funny hearing people complain about gentrification.  If you want blight, trust me there's plenty of it still out there.

Yeah especially complaining about 14th street.  Do people not remember what that was like in the 80's?
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 06, 2014, 05:44:28 pm
It's so funny hearing people complain about gentrification.  If you want blight, trust me there's plenty of it still out there.
Oh, I see it when I walk around! I'm not saying it's not still around, because it is, in heaps. It's just frustrating seeing this kind of stuff going up and who it attracts, but money is money and this is looking to bring in a ton.

The comments on this article are GOLD lol
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2014, 05:46:42 pm
Sorry, but everything does not stay the same forever.  U st will fall and rise and fall again many times to come.  Some day you will be able to say "I remember when....."
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 06, 2014, 06:12:30 pm
It just makes me feel like DC is hollow.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: slappy on February 06, 2014, 06:17:08 pm
It just makes me feel like DC is hollow.

So what would prefer the site to look like?
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2014, 06:53:49 pm
It just makes me feel like DC is hollow.
Good lord.  Gag me with a spoon.

Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2014, 06:54:50 pm
Maybe you should move to Baltimore, or North Philadelphia. 
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2014, 07:29:19 pm
i hear camden is lovely.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: atomic on February 06, 2014, 07:36:27 pm
It just makes me feel like DC is hollow.

So what would prefer the site to look like?

Mabye a group of young dudes doing crack in a circle.  A bunch of abandoned buildings and maybe a check cashing place and perhaps a liquor store behind bullet proof plastic.  Add in a few bums laying on the sidewalk soaked in their ow urine. 
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2014, 08:50:51 pm
i hear camden is lovely.
Oh yeah...I've been to Camden.  Not a yuppie in that place.   He'd love it there. 
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: Yada on February 06, 2014, 09:46:46 pm
I'd say there's a happy place somewhere between crackheads pissing themselves and chads dining on small plates in every store front. That happy medium doesn't exist in DC.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 07, 2014, 11:08:58 am
It just makes me feel like DC is hollow.

So what would prefer the site to look like?
Everywhere should look like whatever the Hiltons do, dude.

I don't know. Just shining everything up looks lame. I don't know. I'm sure I'll still be hanging around there. I'm just a bigger fan of smaller stuff and more local bars and stuff like that. Chains and overpriced restaurants and all that other crap just makes DC, or anywhere really, just look like another cookie cutter place. No one is going to look at that place and be like "Oh, that's definitely in DC" because it looks like just another generic building in an already pretty generic city. Just my thoughts. You can all agree, that's fine. I'm sure we'll all be enjoying that movie theatre in no time.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: James Ford on February 07, 2014, 11:28:05 am
What percent of the shiny new places on 14th St are chains? And are we talking about the part of 14th St north of U St or south of U St? And even if there are some chains moving in, is it moving out the small guy, or are more small guys moving in as well? And aren't some chains more palatable than others (e.g. Whole Foods vs. Walmart)?

If you don't like to be surrounded by retail and fancy plate restaurants, move to my neighborhood in Springfield. Plenty of trees and squirrels and no retail when I look out my window.

It just makes me feel like DC is hollow.

So what would prefer the site to look like?
Everywhere should look like whatever the Hiltons do, dude.

I don't know. Just shining everything up looks lame. I don't know. I'm sure I'll still be hanging around there. I'm just a bigger fan of smaller stuff and more local bars and stuff like that. Chains and overpriced restaurants and all that other crap just makes DC, or anywhere really, just look like another cookie cutter place. No one is going to look at that place and be like "Oh, that's definitely in DC" because it looks like just another generic building in an already pretty generic city. Just my thoughts. You can all agree, that's fine. I'm sure we'll all be enjoying that movie theatre in no time.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 07, 2014, 11:54:08 am
I'm talking more south of U St. I mean, I get it. More money and what not.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: slappy on February 07, 2014, 11:58:03 am
(http://www.independentsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Detroit-after-60-years-of-Progressives1_24002ccd70b487147e1ef774ae48b70d.jpg)
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 07, 2014, 12:27:20 pm
Look how friendly and welcoming that is. Imagine a bunch of coffee shops and micropubs popping up there. UGH. Get that shit out of here. Fucking neckbeards.
Title: Re: Say Hello To having to pay to park near the 9:30 club
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 07, 2014, 01:07:35 pm
the only people who bitch about neighborhoods growing out of the slums into something bold, vibrant, new and beautiful . . . are people who want to steal everything off the internet.