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Title: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 14, 2003, 11:25:00 am
Anyone going to see them at the Blackcat tonight?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: saco on October 14, 2003, 11:54:00 am
I certainly want to, but thanks to Justin I didnt get home from work till 3 AM.  And the day job starts at 9.
 
 So between being tired and part of me wanting to watch the cubs/marlins I may not make it.
 
 But who knows, Calexico is defintely worth rallying for..
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 14, 2003, 12:01:00 pm
should be a good show, but the cubs game is on tonight. . .
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: lily1 on October 14, 2003, 01:28:00 pm
*raises hand*
 
 it'll be interesting to see the new drummer for the frames since dave hinerty left a few months ago to spend more time with his family.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: ratioci nation on October 14, 2003, 01:58:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  should be a good show, but the cubs game is on tonight. . .
I have decided I want the cubs to win and the red sox, so that the red sox can beat the cubs and the cubs really are the only team to not have won the championship for so long, does that make me evil?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 14, 2003, 02:39:00 pm
I'll be there - anyone know roughly what time The Frames will start playing
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: ggw on October 14, 2003, 02:53:00 pm
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Originally posted by brennser:
  I'll be there - anyone know roughly what time The Frames will start playing
I'd guess 9:00
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 14, 2003, 02:55:00 pm
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Originally posted by brennser:
  I'll be there - anyone know roughly what time The Frames will start playing
Its difficult to say......
 
 doors are 8.30, so I would guess at 9.15 or 9.30. I will be going upstairs at 9 though as I dont want to miss the frames. When they played with the new pornographers they hung around before and after the show, if shmoozing the band is your thing.
 
 Are you going by yourself? (Are you ready to say hello to some internet forum weidos?)
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 14, 2003, 02:58:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   
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Originally posted by brennser:
  I'll be there - anyone know roughly what time The Frames will start playing
I'd guess 9:00 [/b]
are you coming GGW?
 
 There are only two bands tonight. Normally that means a longer wait till the first starts, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: lily1 on October 14, 2003, 02:59:00 pm
all the guys in the frames are super nice and friendly. buy them a beer and buy their cds! if they have the cd "set list" or "breadcrumb trail", buy it, their version from australia of mic christopher's "hey day" is fantastic. i'll be in jeans a tshirt that says "enjoy your stay at the wild lily hotel" (hehehehe) so stop by and say hi if i haven't met you before. we're a friendly group.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: ggw on October 14, 2003, 03:07:00 pm
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
 are you coming GGW?
 
 There are only two bands tonight. Normally that means a longer wait till the first starts, doesn't it?
I don't think I'll make it tonight.  Rough weekend and class tonight.
 
 9:00 is just a safe guess.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 14, 2003, 04:42:00 pm
sure why not, I'll be shooting to get there around 9ish as well
 
   
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Its difficult to say......
 
 
 Are you going by yourself? (Are you ready to say hello to some internet forum weidos?)  
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 14, 2003, 04:55:00 pm
Oh OK..... well what will you wear? I have on a pale plue long sleeve T-shirt. On the front it says "black cat's on tour". Its hard to read as the letters are only outlined by ratty stitching.
 
 Looks home made, but isnt.
 
 And I will be with my missus..... Who has silver oakley prescription glasses.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: lily1 on October 14, 2003, 05:09:00 pm
wouldn't it be easier if you just mentioned that you'd be the guy heckling the bands rather than describing your attire?  :D
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 14, 2003, 05:10:00 pm
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Originally posted by lily1:
  wouldn't it be easier if you just mentioned that you'd be the guy heckling the bands rather than describing your attire?   :D  
I have not had a good heckle for a while.... I really dont know either band well enough to be very effective.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 14, 2003, 05:16:00 pm
oh the stress - I haven't decided what to wear tonight but I will definitely keep an eye out for you
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: lily1 on October 14, 2003, 05:39:00 pm
oh dear, well you better get back with the program. what are you going to do if you're not in fine heckling form when badly drawn boy comes back next month?
 
 
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
 
I have not had a good heckle for a while.... I really dont know either band well enough to be very effective. [/b][/QUOTE]
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 15, 2003, 10:33:00 am
good gig last night
 
 The Frames were very good and I thought that the stuff from For the Birds came across with a lot more intensity live than on CD
 
 Pariah - I hope that wasn't you heckling at the start was it?
 
 Calexico were good - I don't know their stuff as well as I should but it was good - I left after Crystal Frontier coz I was wrecked so I can;t speak to the encore
 
 sorry I didn't get to meet anyone - its harder than I thought trying to spot people there so in the end I just mooched around the place feeling sorry for myself
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 10:51:00 am
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Originally posted by brennser:
  good gig last night
 
 
 Pariah - I hope that wasn't you heckling at the start was it?
 
 
Oh god no. I normally shut up if the band get annoyed. I was surprised at how badly the band took the heckling though. I was standing right next to them right at the front though. The funny thing was, a couple of times the annoying hecklers shouted a request a gut next to me said
  "Play whatever you want". I liked that.
 
 
 I was too tired to get the most out of Calexico. It sounded great live though. But it would have been better if I could have concentrated longer. It was one of the frames Birthdays , so they sang him some stupid dutch happy birthday song.... Then did the first song on the love, forever changes album with both bands on stage...
 
 It made my night.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 15, 2003, 11:06:00 am
shit - I knew if I left early I'd miss something good
 
 yeah, Glen did seem a bit touchy about the heckler, almost as if he'd done it before at gigs here
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 11:11:00 am
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Originally posted by brennser:
   Glen did seem a bit touchy about the heckler, almost as if he'd done it before at gigs here
I got that impression too, I thought they had been following the tour around. I have never seen the hecklers before and I go to just about every brit show.
 
 I wasnt at the last show, but I was at the one before that, with the new pornographers. Everything was all smiles then.
 
 BTW, do you like: Biking,  Music, Gardening ?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 15, 2003, 11:18:00 am
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BTW, do you like: Biking, Music, Gardening ?  
Love all 3 - I bike to work so get about 80-100 miles a week under my belt, as for music, well I think most people on this board are seriously into their music - don't know what I'd do without music, and gardening is one of the only things that truly relaxes me coz I'm a bit wound up most of the time but I love scratching around in the dirt getting my hands dirty
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: Jaguär on October 15, 2003, 11:20:00 am
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Originally posted by brennser:
   
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BTW, do you like: Biking, Music, Gardening ?  
Love all 3 - I bike to work so get about 80-100 miles a week under my belt, as for music, well I think most people on this board are seriously into their music - don't know what I'd do without music, and gardening is one of the only things that truly relaxes me coz I'm a bit wound up most of the time but I love scratching around in the dirt getting my hands dirty [/b]
Looks like we have a love connection.   :D    :D
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 11:37:00 am
No. I was just kidding around.
 
 I did PM Brennser though.....
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 15, 2003, 01:51:00 pm
all right - you got me - bloody hell though - google even has stuff from boards when I was thinking of buying a mini last year
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 02:01:00 pm
So did you buy a Mini, or a car at all? Mankie who posts here used to sell them.
 
 I am going to need a car soon, but I probably cannot wait the time it takes to ge a mini........
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: mankie on October 15, 2003, 02:08:00 pm
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
  So did you buy a Mini, or a car at all? Mankie who posts here used to sell them.
 
 I am going to need a car soon, but I probably cannot wait the time it takes to ge a mini........
If you know someone on here and buy him beer(s), he can hook you up with a MINI real quick!
 
 *whistles while looking up to the sky with arms clasped behind back*
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 02:13:00 pm
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Originally posted by mankie:
 
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
 [qb] If you know someone on here and buy him beer(s), he can hook you up with a MINI real quick!
 
 *whistles while looking up to the sky with arms clasped behind back* [/b]
Oh I could kiss you......
 
 Actually I need to wait till my visa thing is done or not. Probably about a month or so or not? Then I think I will need a car almost instantly to get to work or get deported in which case a car wont help much.
 
 I just want to get a cooper in manual. No S for me........
 
 I would much rather get a mini than a golf or impreza. It would be real handy for parking in the hood.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 15, 2003, 02:14:00 pm
maybe it's a good time to have that team outing to the royal mile in wheaton...
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 15, 2003, 02:15:00 pm
ha ha - I ended up not buying it - the wife has yet to forgive me - she had her heart set on it
 
 but if we ever decide to get one again I'll let you know mankie - is it true they're coming out with a soft top and a stretch mini (were they called clubmans years ago) in a year or so?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2003, 02:21:00 pm
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Originally posted by brennser:
  ha ha - I ended up not buying it - the wife has yet to forgive me - she had her heart set on it
 
 but if we ever decide to get one again I'll let you know mankie - is it true they're coming out with a soft top and a stretch mini (were they called clubmans years ago) in a year or so?
Convertible is slated for 2004.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: mankie on October 15, 2003, 02:21:00 pm
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Originally posted by brennser:
  ha ha - I ended up not buying it - the wife has yet to forgive me - she had her heart set on it
 
 but if we ever decide to get one again I'll let you know mankie - is it true they're coming out with a soft top and a stretch mini (were they called clubmans years ago) in a year or so?
There is a convertible coming out...model year 05 I think. I haven't heard about a clubman, but did hear rumbling of a van. I'm not with MINI anymore but can still find out all the insider info if you are serious.
 
 
 markie...let me know when you're ready and I'll hook you up.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 02:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by mankie:
 
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Originally posted by brennser:
 [qb] There is a convertible coming out...model year 06 I think. I haven't heard about a clubman, but did hear rumbling of a van. I'm not with MINI anymore but can still find out all the insider info if you are serious.
 
 
 markie...let me know when you're ready and I'll hook you up. [/b]
That's so very nice of you Mankie......
 
 As for mini, well the platform was expensive to develop and the name cost them a lot, so BMW are planning on spinning off a series of derivatives to make more money. The convertible will happen.....
 
 But isnt 2006 the year that mini will update its platform and can get rid of the Chrysler engines?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2003, 02:30:00 pm
I don't think it's official, but it will wet your whistle...
 
   <img src="http://www.eastcruise.co.uk/Road-Racer/cpshow/pics/43.jpg" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 15, 2003, 02:31:00 pm
ooooooohhhhhhh! sexy!
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 02:43:00 pm
Well you can pay a coach building company to chop up any car.......
 
 I dont think there are any pictures of the real BMW version yet.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: ggw on October 15, 2003, 02:49:00 pm
I've got a riding mower bigger than that car.....
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: mankie on October 15, 2003, 03:01:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I've got a riding mower bigger than that car.....
...that's made by Lexus I'm sure.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: mankie on October 15, 2003, 03:04:00 pm
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
 
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But isnt 2006 the year that mini will update its platform and can get rid of the Chrysler engines? [/b]
The current engine is great...why would they want to fix something that isn't broken? And they've just come out with a John Cooper works performance upgrade for that engine, that I know wasn't cheap to r&d.
 
 FYI...the early production Coopers had a trannie problem, not engine. It was a simple linkage issue that was fixed immediately.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: lily1 on October 15, 2003, 03:30:00 pm
the frames were great last night. totally different set from the last few times i've seen them. i talked to rob after (birthday boy) and he said it was tuesday and raining, hence the somber set list. i would have loved to hear revelate and fitzcarraldo though. i just hope the recording my friend made came out well. some beautiful and different redentions of concert standards that the lads did.
 
 poor markie was there by his lonesome sitting in a corner looking forlorn when i got there so i took him under my wing for a bit as i was there with a bunch of people. really, you should have seen him. looked like a little boy and a bully had just stolen his stuffed rabbit and ripped off the ear or something.  :(  poorlulu, he suffers without you present!  :D
 
 anyone think the second half of calexico's set was better? i just couldn't get into them for the first hour. i'd like to see them again and re-evaluate.
 
 pretty impressive night though. 45 minutes of the frames and 2 hours of calexico for $15! excellent!
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 15, 2003, 03:52:00 pm
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Originally posted by lily1:
 poor markie was there by his lonesome sitting in a corner looking forlorn when i got there  
Errr thanks Lily, I think. You spoilt my emo kid posturing.
 
 Actually I was all wet after my walk in the rain and still tired and hungover after beulah. It was strange going by myself though.
 
 I liked Calexicao at the start.... They played two of my favourite songs of theirs (read the only two I recognise) at the beginning. I did like it when he got more talkative as well though.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: Jaguär on October 15, 2003, 06:21:00 pm
Oh, no. Markie, now you know how lonely and alienating it can be at the Cat when you are by yourself. Good for Lily.   ;)
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: poorlulu on October 15, 2003, 07:53:00 pm
thanks for looking out for markie lily......
 
 i wanted to golast night but the beulah show left me a little worse for wear.................
 
 roll on friday though...............oooh i could crush a grape, i'm so excited!!!
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: lily1 on October 15, 2003, 09:54:00 pm
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
  .......oooh i could crush a grape, i'm so excited!!!
is that a scottish term?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: brennser on October 15, 2003, 10:16:00 pm
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 Originally posted by poorlulu:
 .......oooh i could crush a grape, i'm so excited!!!
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 is that a scottish term?  
crackerjack - a kids program in the UK and Ireland in the 80s - the only other phrase I can remember is oooh I could wrestle with an action man - anyone remember any others
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 16, 2003, 12:24:00 am
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Originally posted by brennser:
  crackerjack - a kids program in the UK and Ireland in the 80s - the only other phrase I can remember is oooh I could wrestle with an action man - anyone remember any others
No, sorry, but you dont go away empty handed, here is your crackerjack pencil and pen.
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: ggw on October 16, 2003, 09:47:00 am
The Frames
 
 Glen Hansard barely spoke. Singer, guitarist and leader of the Frames, Hansard is normally an engrossingly loquacious frontman, generating offbeat tales, observations and general babble between (and occasionally during) songs. But apart from emphatically shutting up a heckler, Hansard trained his energies on music at the Black Cat on Tuesday night, leading his band through a magnificent 50-minute set.
 
 The Frames enjoy widespread popularity in their native Ireland -- their latest single sits alongside those by Dido, Beyonce and Christina Aguilera in that country's current Top 10 -- but make the U.S. rounds mostly as opening act for midlevel indie bands. Tuesday they preceded the desert-soundtrackedelica of Calexico and veered from sharp to lush and loud to soft with tight instrumental command. Hansard's melodies are the key to the whole Frames equation, and he sang them with his trademark blend of subway busker and Van Morrison-ese, even slipping some of the latter's "Caravan" into his own "What Happens When the Heart Just Stops."
 
 Fiddler Colm MacConlomaire remained the quintet's instrumental fulcrum, taking solos and tempering the band's classic rock-derived tones, which, on songs like "Santa Maria" and "Lay Me Down," began whisper-quiet and built to distorted, string-scrubbing climaxes. Frames fans have been patiently awaiting a long-promised new album, but Tuesday's show offered only a couple of new numbers, played in the wake of the aforementioned new single "Fake."
 
 Perhaps the new record, when it is released, will be the band's American breakthrough, but until then, the small gathering of fans who shouted the band back for a rare opening-act encore will savor each appearance by these underappreciated musicians.
 
 -- Patrick Foster
 
 
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32685-2003Oct15.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32685-2003Oct15.html)
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 16, 2003, 11:08:00 am
Thankyou GGW,
 
 A good review. the frames seamed as if they would be chatty and happy if it were not for the annoying hecklers.
 
 Not like the delgados who wouldnt have said anything if not for the annoying hecklers  :(
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: J'Mal on October 17, 2003, 12:50:00 am
The Frames were OK, not bad, but for the Post to review them and not CALEXICO makes no sense.
 
 Calexico ROCKED....  opened with Glowing Heart, Trigger/Frontera, sounded great... it seems they usually do one song late in the show with the openers, and that jingle jangle frames song was pretty...
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: markie on October 17, 2003, 10:51:00 am
J'Mal,
 
 I think the frames and Calexico were equally good, very different. I think reviewing one band over the other is just a reflection of the viewers musical tastes.
 
 Although it should be noted the reviewer makes a big deal about the frames being big in Ireland. Calexico arent big anywhere, are they?
Title: Re: Frames and Calexico
Post by: J'Mal on October 17, 2003, 10:57:00 am
They're big in Tucson.
 
 And in Germany.
 
 And at my place.