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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sweetcell on September 18, 2020, 08:13:36 pm
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they can't ram through her replacement in 6 weeks, can they?
can they do it after the election but before inauguration and the new senate being sworn in?
i feel sick.
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https://twitter.com/agearan/status/1307102726271176705
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https://twitter.com/vanitaguptaCR/status/1306658632264822784
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/29/oh-wed-fill-it-how-mcconnell-is-doing-supreme-court-vacancies-an-election-year/
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Correct me of I am wrong, but wasn't she asked to consider retirement when Obama was president? She would have been 80 at the time.
Shame the way this played out. We are gonna get s c r e w e d.
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Oh they will replace her you just watch...
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I just think they have the votes
They only need 50 plus VP to break tie
They have 53
Even if Murkowski follows through and doesn’t vote to confirm they still have two extra votes
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/09/18/alaska-senator-murkowski-said-friday-she-would-not-vote-for-a-justice-ahead-of-election/
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I am still in shock
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Apparently there are other possible republican defectors on the issue, but Romney is one of them and we shall see...
Also kaine is on the record that given the chance Dems could up the number of justices to 11 and pack the court.. I’ve seen this floated several times
And yes I’m doomscrolling on a Friday night having just watched Moonstruck with some friends in a private screening in a movie theater
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Well I saw it coming years ago
Never will understand why she didn’t retire when Obama was president and don’t give me the everyone thought Hillary would win bull..you can go look on real clear politics and see the election was not that much of a blowout..Biden is doing better than she was
RBG would have not even needed to see who nominee was before retiring
You don’t set your retirement in July of an election year
For a two time cancer survivor 80+ years old not to retire is pretty insane
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Romney?
Come on Kosmo..please
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Yup not holding my breathe on any of them
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Lisa Murkowski and Mitt Romney have committed to not confirming a supreme court nominee until after Inauguration Day
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Mitch just announced hours after death, there will be a vote on the senate floor and they will confirm before election.
First shot . . . of our future, fired. Edmund Ruffin, 2020 style.
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What about kelly in AZ helping
Since McSally was an appointment he starts nov 4th
Is that true?
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Frustrating beyond words
I don’t know all the legalese or issues
Monday is only 43 or so days from election
That’s really less than 40 days when you factor weekend before election... that’s not enough time or is it
They could try to fill it after election but before inauguration but all sorts of issues there
I hear if Kelly wins he gets sworn in November 30?!
It’s a mess
Never mind implications like they are hearing a case on Obamacare soon
Or Supremes May have to decide thorny election issues that determine election result
This really could push us to a civil war scenario with Trump happily lighting the fire
The country didn’t need this
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Claire McCaskill just tweeted an interesting thought:
Everyone take a deep breath. McConnell wants power. Period. Forcing this vote before Nov 3 guarantees he loses the Senate. Forcing this vote lame duck probably loses them more seats in 2022. (Portman,Toomey,Rubio,Iowa, etc).
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I was hoping it was a nightmare
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The whole argument that if they ram through new Supreme Court justice they lose politically (Senate, maybe Trump) is bogus wishful thinking ..did they lose with Merrick?
Having said that I just don’t think they have enough time before Nov 3..How many working days are there? 30???
And after, if Trump loses, could be even harder...
But I think this is politically helpful to Trump...his base will reenergize and some Catholics and evangelicals will consolidate behind him
It’s just not helpful to Biden...anything that takes away attention from covid or Trump’s insanity is not helpful
I can’t see this energizing liberals ? I mean am I more energized, no..we are already energized
I feel rather defeated..like why the fuck does everything have to be so damn hard and go against us
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There are 30 working days
Of course Mitch could use weekends?
But assuming not...some senators are campaigning for re-election, have debates etc
Obviously confirmation can’t start Monday
So 29 days or less in the middle of a very contentious general election
It’s just really tight
I read the average confirmation takes 71 days...
Also will be interesting who wants to be nominated in this climate...who wants to potentially be the next Merrick Garland?
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I can’t see this energizing liberals ?
I don't know, seems anecdotal so far, but I think it has
TBT, most of those people were pretty energized
I think they raised like $12mil last night between 9-11PM
There has been a big effort to throw money at likely Senate flips too
but we'll see
I agree, can't trust any of the GOP and they will try...and use it for fundraising
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So we raised some money
You weren’t energized before?
Am so tired of people throwing $ numbers as if it means that much...money helps but not hugely so
$12 million is NOTHING
I mean Biden raised $365 million last month
It pays for ads people largely tune Out...you know this!
Of course largely highly energized relatively (yes I like adverbs) wealthy white Jewish women are energized and chipped in last night right after RBG died but they were voting Biden anyways
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$12 million is NOTHING
agreed, just a drop in the bucket, but biden's haul in Aug was amost entirley based on people were waiting for the DNC to finalize the nomination
Also the number is closer to 31 mil
https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/post/democrats-raised-more-30-million-following-rbgs-death
According to the constantly-ticking tracker on ActBlue's website, in the hours from 9 p.m. ET, when the news of Ginsburg's death became widely known, to 9 a.m. ET on Saturday, nearly $31 million was donated to Democratic candidates and causes.
I don't think money changes every thing (i.e. jeb bush) but with Bloomies $100mill and this new injection of cash, it realy helps target the ''gettable' wins
Unfortunately, to Julies dismay, it looks like people are throwing a lot of money at Amy in KY
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I have to be honest, this is the first time in the Covid/2020 era that I have had actual mental health struggles. I am having a hard time right now. This was the straw that broke the camels back.
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And I wasn’t an RBG fanboy. All the “Boss Bitch” iconography people want to attach to her should’ve always went to SS, an actual WOC who hires non-white clerks, was to the left of RBG on issues, and wasn’t friends with (the currently burning in hell) Antonin Scalia.
But this death resets everything. It’s Trumps reëlection wet dream. It all but assures I will not see a democratic majority in the Supreme Court until my 60s at best. This is hard.
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Totally with you on the RBG cult...
The whole Scalia friendship thing is frightening (it’s spun into a positive but I don’t understand it.. it’s not how I live my life) as is the elephant in the room absolutely nobody wants to talk about: why did she overstay and threaten everything she fought for? We really need age limits or something has to change with Supreme Court..too many dropping dead on job
Sorry you are having a tough go.. it’s a tough time... one wonders why is it so hard to be a supporter of liberalism in this country? Why such a tough and seemingly losing battle when all one pretends is basic human and civil rights for all Americans .. It shouldn’t be this hard!
We have been having a tough time too and are going through some shit...this just makes it seem more hopeless
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Yeah, I’m discouraged.
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And I guess I was too optimistic -a rarity for me- regarding her replacement as Lindsay says never mind what he said they are plowing ahead.
I expect an announcement regarding Justice Barrett’s nomination this week and confirmation hearings soon.
I don’t agree with many about the viability of packing the court or adding states etc. I just don’t see any of that happening.
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Pray for Breyer!!!
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It’s just amazing that this sack of shit gets three in four years...Obama got two in eight!
And I was off..to avoid a 50-50 tie we need FOUR GOP senators to vote not to confirm
Even assuming Romney, Collins and Murkowski we would still need another...
Looks pretty dark
Basically Grassley is the only hope and well...
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Can’t believe I have to depend on grassley
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A special thank you to the Bernie supporters that couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary cause she was the same as Trump.
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Can’t believe I have to depend on grassley
Check out what you are depending on
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckGrassley
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Well $71 million is not nothing
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Well $71 million is not nothing
Just read close to $80 million in 24 hours
What was up with those pidgin tweets from grassley. Is that code for something or is he just losing his mind
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Interesting tactic
Senate rules require the resolution of articles of impeachment before other business, like judicial confirmations.
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The problem with that is it would cost Biden the election so it seems pointless.
Hearing a lot of stupidity from a rather desperate Democrat side.
$104 million raised on Act Blue
Let’s hope it helps candidates like Gideon in Maine. We also need to pick up AZ and CO.
We will lose AL so that only gets us to +2
It’s a tall order to flip the Senate...we need +4
Am hopeful in NC. But IA seems like a bridge too far so where is the pickup to flip? What am I missing
Edit: what I was missing is that if Biden wins a tie Senate goes to democrats
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AZ is preety much sealed
NC, Maine and CO are leaning the right way....we need to stay focused on those states for the next 6 weeks
(while not forgetting FL, PA, MI and WI)
I'm not sure impeachment (doesn't have to be of the pres, could be Barr) would cost him the election
I'm not going to agree with you on that
I'm 100% fine with any tactic to obstruct Mitch from getting this nomination
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Because you are not sure? What if you are wrong?
Breyer is 82!
Sorry just can’t go with your gut...
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Impeach him on what?
A few weeks before an election he is clearly trailing?
You have lost your mind
Most Americans are not RBG cultists and hardly know anything about the Supreme Court
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This has lame duck session written all over it. Mitch knows he's giving away the Senate if he votes before, but can probably sway the holdouts to play along after the election, no matter the result
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Agree
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This has lame duck session written all over it. Mitch knows he's giving away the Senate if he votes before, but can probably sway the holdouts to play along after the election, no matter the result
Yeah. Trump gets to frame it as “the election is about this seat” which can’t possibly hurt him. Then if he loses, you just ram it thru in lame duck session anyway.
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True but if democrats take senate could wind up giving Democrats ammunition to justify packing Court
Although would they have all 50 votes? I doubt it
I just don’t see democrats packing the court...
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Thinking some more I think maybe democrats should say now before election ends that if they gain a majority on senate they will expand the court to 13 after Biden takes over unless Republicans hold off on replacing RBG
I like this approach more than whining and begging Republicans to do right thing which is weak...also better than trying to shoot down nominee No matter
who it is
Democrats should emphasize election has already started...people are already voting... wrong to replace in middle of election...ie, totally different scenario from Merrick Garland which was 8 months earlier before anyone had voted..hell before we knew candidates
And maybe- this is the one part am not sure about- to hammer it home democrats should say they would boycott confirmation hearings
That’s the play
I do see a problem with this if they nominate that Cuban American judge from Miami..could really alienate cubanos but every alternative has problems and the cubanos seem a bit of a lost cause
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most of those cubans were voting GOP before this
I do think the FL play is a big factor though
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There are 30 working days
Of course Mitch could use weekends?
But assuming not...some senators are campaigning for re-election, have debates etc
Obviously confirmation can’t start Monday
So 29 days or less in the middle of a very contentious general election
Including today, only 13 working Senate days before the election.
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What was up with those pidgin tweets from grassley. Is that code for something or is he just losing his mind
glad that got settled...not sure I trust this guy tho
ChuckGrassley@ChuckGrassley
The pidgins life that ended near Grassley farm this wknd hailed from the Sheboygan flying club in Wisconsin I stand corrected it wasn’t a “pet” it was a racing pidgin thx to my followers for the info
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What was up with those pidgin tweets from grassley. Is that code for something or is he just losing his mind
glad that got settled...not sure I trust this guy tho
ChuckGrassley@ChuckGrassley
The pidgins life that ended near Grassley farm this wknd hailed from the Sheboygan flying club in Wisconsin I stand corrected it wasn’t a “pet” it was a racing pidgin thx to my followers for the info
in today's chronicles of the over-educated: "pidgen" is an incorrect spelling of "pigeon", the bird. but "pidgen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin)" is also a simplified, deformed version of a language, AKA patois, creole, etc. if you look at grassley's writing, it's pretty horrific. so when hatch asked "What was up with those pidgin tweets from grassley" i thought he was being snarky about the poor grammar and syntax... my bad.
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I found a Bible in an antique shop that was written in “pidgen English” once and it was a thoroughly enjoyable purchase and flip thru. Jesus was repeatedly referred to as DAT DER BIG MAN or something equally humorous to regular English speakers.
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Turtle says will vote on confirmation before election....
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Grassley will confirm
Gardner from Colorado also
They have the votes
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It's very hard to contain my rage, frustration, and sadness this week.
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Romney's in too.
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I wonder what they were given to change their mind....
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I wonder what they were given to change their mind....
Probably a link to some compromising video they have
complements of Putin
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I don’t think so... this is what they want...have always wanted...once they saw they had cover (“everybody else is doing it”) it became easier to go along
I mean they may loathe Trump but a 6-3 conservative court is a dream come true for them! They know what it means...
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dems take over all 3 branches. dems impeach a few conservative judges for any reason they can, remove and replace until a liberal balance is achieved. dems ignore cries of "tyranny!!!" from the GOP, because dems have finally had enough and are going to play hardball too.
^ dems the type of fantasies that keep me sane.
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Democrats would never do that..it really is fantasy...Democrats will never pack the court etc...can you imagine getting 50 democrats to agree to that in senate...manchin? Please
Our strategy of hoping 10% of Republican Senators were decent has failed
And we have nothing left but to whine and complain
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You would think we could come up with something anything but all we got is schmucks like Sen Coons saying he would talk to his Republican friends in the Senate and ask them not to hold vote...
Some strategy
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welp...we still got Sue
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said on Tuesday that she will vote against a Supreme Court nominee if one is brought to the Senate floor before the November election.
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Well cause she knows they don’t need her vote and it helps her get re-elected
They got it perfectly played
We got nothing
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if one is brought to the Senate floor before the November election.[/i]
doesn't mean she wouldn't vote after, in a lame duck session. just not before.