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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: kosmo vinyl on May 20, 2004, 09:41:00 am
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Anyone else find CDs in their collection that have begun self destruction? Recently I've come across two CD that haven't been played in awhile which have become partly unplayable due to the the shiny aluminium layer eroding. I recall early problem with CDs disintegrate which caused quite a hubbub but haven't heard of any for awhile.
On one CD the aluminium in one area along out edge has become speckled meaning the last two tracks can't be played with skipping.
The other is a bit more annoying... It's a CDR which has become see through with a large brown spot on the edge. It's annoying because it's a "rare" self released demo disk for Kara's Flowers who have become quite popular as Maroon5. With Kara's Flowers debut cd fetching well above $20 on Ebay. I'd figure this one would fetch a hefty sum except for the fact that three of the songs cause the cd player to choke and the DVD player in the g4 dosen't recognize.
With electronic distribution CDs could become obsolete, but as with vinyl there will still be plenty of material that could be lost forever or not moved into that medium. I'll beat that properly stored and cared for vinyl records will out last cds... Of course we'll all be ipod people brainwashed by jobs.
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No ipod for me. It's cd's, vinyl, an cassettes til my death.
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kosmo
very timely - there was an article about this in a paper recently - lemme see if I can track it down
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I remember seeing that article. It was online somewhere (either nytimes.com, washingtonpost.com, or cnn.com...i think cnn.com).
The guy they were spotlighting (who lost his whole collection due to cd rot) didn't seem like someone who takes care of his cd's. Maybe it's because he looked like a mountain man. I think he had them all in boxes in a shed or something and was complaining about how that ruined them. Hmm. Didn't seem like he listened to them out in his shed much anyway.
The article also talked about how keeping then vertical in jewel cases should minimize any harm. Keeping them in books opens them up to moisture, etc., more. They also talked about dvds and how it's harmful if you have to keep bending them to snap them out of their cases.
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mountain man (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/05/06/disc.rot.ap/index.html)
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Yes I always wondered how long my cd's would last. When they first came out people said they would "go bad" eventually but I never believed them.
I still buy lots of cd's but I also download too. I'm a big fan of itunes. The actual physical product gets less and less important to me as time goes by (although i still dig it).
I got my ipod about one year ago and for me, there is no life after the ipod. When this one dies i'll get another. It's changed the way I listen to music and has in many ways re-ignited my interest in music. Not that I ever lost interst, but I just don't have nearly as much free time as I used to and can't just sit around and listen to records for hours and hours anymore. Now I've got most of the collection with me all the time and can enjoy it anyplace and anytime.
I think I'll always like buying cd's though just for the product and shopping buzz aspect of it. The means of distributing music is changing...Who knows what we'll be doing to buy music in 10 or 20 years.
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Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
No ipod for me. It's cd's, vinyl, an cassettes til my death.
I wont ever buy an ipod either. but I bet you'll be able to get one at your local american wal-mart by 2010.
i feel like ipods are more for people who want to listen to music, but dont want to spend hours organizing all thier songs. if i just had all my music in one neat little package, i would need a new hobby or another girlfriend or something to take up my time!
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i feel like ipods are more for people who want to listen to music, but dont want to spend hours organizing all thier songs.
who wants to spend hours organizing all their songs?? not me
my ipod is great - probably the single best thing I've ever bought
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i don't have an ipod yet, but its only a matter of time. i have my entire collection ripped to a firewire hard drive, so its not like i put cds on at home or anything. if i want to spend hours nerdily reorganizing my collection, i just paste the cd covers into itunes.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I wont ever buy an ipod either. but I bet you'll be able to get one at your local american wal-mart by 2010.
Already available at Target....
So how do you spend your time organizing your music -- not sure I understand that.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i feel like ipods are more for people who want to listen to music, but dont want to spend hours organizing all thier songs. if i just had all my music in one neat little package, i would need a new hobby or another girlfriend or something to take up my time! [/QB]
You can still spend hours obsessing over your cd collection...I still do sometimes. No you can just take it with you.
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i agree...ipod=best thing i've ever bought (besides my apartment).
Originally posted by brennser:
i feel like ipods are more for people who want to listen to music, but dont want to spend hours organizing all thier songs.
who wants to spend hours organizing all their songs?? not me
my ipod is great - probably the single best thing I've ever bought [/b]
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although...all the music i've paid for over the years is probably more important...
Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
i agree...ipod=best thing i've ever bought (besides my apartment).
Originally posted by brennser:
i feel like ipods are more for people who want to listen to music, but dont want to spend hours organizing all thier songs.
who wants to spend hours organizing all their songs?? not me
my ipod is great - probably the single best thing I've ever bought [/b]
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Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I wont ever buy an ipod either. but I bet you'll be able to get one at your local american wal-mart by 2010.
Already available at Target....
So how do you spend your time organizing your music -- not sure I understand that. [/b]
well, i could go all in depth. there are all different ways to organize songs. I have a library of everything i have, randomly. then i have my 80s stuff, electronica, old punk, and even put together an A to Z set of CDs a while back for when we drove across country.
things like that.
plus, not having an ipod makes me feel a little less like "todays american culture" :)
besides, i already have an mp3 player at work, home and car.
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What I find odd about this is that I distinctly remember companies telling consumers that CDs would not last forever, stating that the average life of a cd was somewhere between 20-30 years.
It was magnified later when the CD-R became popular and they said the life of a CDR was about 10 years. I'll be honest though, with todays mass produced CDRs I'm getting about 2 years life out of most of them.
I don't have any CDs that are twenty years old yet (New Order - Substance, purchased in 1986 will be 20 years old soon) and I have yet to experience the problems described in the article or by Kosmo with CD Rot in any of my 1,000 store bought CDs. I do take maticulous care of my CDs, never use books or sleeves, alternate between hoizontal filing and vertical filing every two years out of fear that one may be better than the other, though I'm not sure which, and I never store them near any heaters or appliances.
I have lost a lot more music through hard drive failure than CD Rot, and probably twice as much vinyl through groove wear than anything else. Of course groove wear was 30-40 years, not the 20-30 they're talking about for CDs.
I rip nearly every CD I own to a USB/Firewire drive, but I'm getting tired of HD failure - I've gone through 4 of them, only twice was I lucky enough to copy over before the faiure.
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Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
So how do you spend your time organizing your music -- not sure I understand that.
Autobiographical was about the stupidest thing I ever did with my collection, but Chronologically and Alphabetical are the most popular, followed by Genre breakdowns coming in a close third.
Currently, I have a Top Shelf with the 50 or so Cd's I've recently purcahsed at Smackette's request so she doesn't forget about them, with the rest Alphabetically (then subdivided by release date) followed by compilations organized by Genre, Classical Music always separated, and lastly my own mixes, organized by date.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i feel like ipods are more for people who want to listen to music, but dont want to spend hours organizing all thier songs.
I spend more times organizing my songs via crazy playlists with my Napster Player then I ever did organizing my CDs (except for the aforementioned autobiographical attempt, which was a disaster).
I've actually found that via random play some songs that I thought would never mix well together are perfect and I make playlists with songs on varying themes - kind of like a challenge.
I think my Napster Player has brought me full circle back to radio days and I focus more on songs now than complete albums - which I never thought I would do again. It's been a real treat as a music fan.
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I bought an iPod about 2 months ago so I am fairly new to it...that said I now can't live without it...so here's a question to the proficient lot with ipods..
I hate how when a soundtrack or compilation cds assigns the tracks to the artist themselves instead of maybe categorizing the soundtrack name as the artist...is there a way to bypass this??
How can I eliminate the songs on my library (to free up my disk space) without having them dissapear from my Ipod once I update it??
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Autobiographical was about the stupidest thing I ever did with my collection, but Chronologically and Alphabetical are the most popular, followed by Genre breakdowns coming in a close third.
Silliest sorting: alphabetically by the main color on the spine of the lp: black, blue, brown, green, orange, red, white, yellow, etc. Really. I think that lasted about a week.
Currently, I have a Top Shelf with the 50 or so Cd's I've recently purcahsed at Smackette's request so she doesn't forget about them,
I do the same thing, but it's more of a stack because I've completely run out of shelf space. And it's more like 100, so I still manage to forget about some of them.
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Originally posted by Fico:
I hate how when a soundtrack or compilation cds assigns the tracks to the artist themselves instead of maybe categorizing the soundtrack name as the artist...is there a way to bypass this??
These instructions are for itunes on a pc so if yer on a mac just go ahead and apply them as needed...
Select the song you want to make changes to (or songs) and right click and select "get info". Then go to the info tab. Here you can change artist name, album name, track name etc. If you've selected multiple songs you can edit common elements to all of them (artist etc) in one shot.
Not sure about question # 2. Try looking for an answer in the forums at www.ipodlounge.com (http://www.ipodlounge.com)
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Originally posted by Fico:
How can I eliminate the songs on my library (to free up my disk space) without having them dissapear from my Ipod once I update it??
you would have to switch to manually managing your ipod rather than having the auto sync
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Is it possible to jerk an Ipod?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Is it possible to jerk an Ipod?
if you use plenty of lubricant
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Thanks a bunch!!... that should be of great help..
Oh and since I'm already here lurking and posting come check my band (Cartel) on DC9 next friday May 28th.... we're in the middle of the recording process for our EP... Jason Caddell who played guitar for Dismemberment Plan is handling the boards...great chap.