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Title: Politics, Yay
Post by: ratioci nation on May 20, 2004, 11:23:00 am
So are brilliant Republicans like Denny Hastert trying to push McCain to be involved in Kerry's campaign?  Would Kerry choosing McCain force more to Nader, or would Dems grin and bear it?
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/19/mccain.hastert/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/19/mccain.hastert/index.html)
 
 
 Hastert questions McCain's GOP credentials
 Senator responds with statement on 'fiscal responsibility'
 
 
 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a rare public swipe at a fellow Republican, House Speaker Dennis Hastert on Wednesday questioned the GOP credentials of John McCain, a U.S. senator who has often challenged party orthodoxy.
 
 Talking to reporters, Hastert pretended not to know who McCain was when asked about a recent statement by the GOP senator from Arizona.
 
 As other House GOP members stood behind him laughing, Hastert, R-Illinois, then expressed doubt that McCain was indeed a Republican.
 
 The exchange started when a reporter asked: "Can I combine a two issues, Iraq and taxes? I heard a speech from John McCain the other day..."
 
 Hastert: "Who?"
 
 Reporter: "John McCain."
 
 Hastert: "Where's he from?"
 
 Reporter: "He's a Republican from Arizona."
 
 Hastert: "A Republican?"
 
 Amid nervous laughter, the reporter continued with his question: "Anyway, his observation was never before when we've been at war have we been worrying about cutting taxes and his question was, 'Where's the sacrifice?' "
 
 Hastert: "If you want to see the sacrifice, John McCain ought to visit our young men and women at Walter Reed and Bethesda. There's the sacrifice in this country. We're trying to make sure they have the ability to fight this war, that they have the wherewithal to be able to do it. And, at the same time, we have to react to keep this country strong."
 
 Walter Reed Army Medical Center and Bethesda National Naval Medical Center are two military hospitals in the Washington area.
 
 McCain, a prisoner of war during Vietnam, later released a written statement, taking issue with the spending habits of Republican lawmakers.
 
 "The Speaker is correct in that nothing we are called upon to do comes close to matching the heroism of our troops," McCain said.
 
 "All we are called upon to do is not spend our nation into bankruptcy while our soldiers risk their lives. I fondly remember a time when real Republicans stood for fiscal responsibility. Apparently those days are long gone for some in our party."
 
 CNN's Ted Barrett contributed to this report.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on May 20, 2004, 11:26:00 am
I think McCain as Dem vp is totally ludicrous.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: godsshoeshine on May 20, 2004, 11:34:00 am
wow, denny missed the point entirely...
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ratioci nation on May 20, 2004, 11:37:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
  I think McCain as Dem vp is totally ludicrous.
yeah but Kerry doesn't think so
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ggw on May 20, 2004, 11:48:00 am
Do we know what Kerry thinks of the idea?  I thought it was Joe "Four score and seven years ago..." Biden that suggested the pairing?
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by pollard:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
  I think McCain as Dem vp is totally ludicrous.
yeah but Kerry doesn't think so [/b]
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Bags on May 20, 2004, 11:50:00 am
Russert asked McCain about this VP rumor on Meet the Press Sunday.  McCain said in no uncertain terms that he would not be anyone's VP.  While it may be a strategically good idea to include him on a Kerry ticket, it breaks my heart that Dems consider pandering to the moderates (and beyond) to the extent of including a Rep on the ticket.  Of course, since when was fiscal responsibility eschewed so roundly by Reps...the whole world's upside down, I tell ya!
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: keithstg on May 20, 2004, 01:14:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
  Russert asked McCain about this VP rumor on Meet the Press Sunday.  McCain said in no uncertain terms that he would not be anyone's VP.  While it may be a strategically good idea to include him on a Kerry ticket, it breaks my heart that Dems consider pandering to the moderates (and beyond) to the extent of including a Rep on the ticket.  Of course, since when was fiscal responsibility eschewed so roundly by Reps...the whole world's upside down, I tell ya!
Newsflash: The Dems have been pandering, not considering pandering, to moderates since the Clinton era. Would you like Dukakis (or Carter) back?
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: godsshoeshine on May 20, 2004, 01:23:00 pm
newsflash: none of the democratic tickets in that time period had a republican on them, which was bag's point
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Bags on May 20, 2004, 01:23:00 pm
Personally I would certainly take Carter back; don't know as much about Dukakis.  Bill Bradley is whom I really want.
 
 I didn't say there was *no* pandering, but a Rep on the ticket is pretty extreme pandering...    ;)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ggw on May 20, 2004, 01:29:00 pm
<img src="http://www.wonkette.com/images/funny_because_its_true.jpg" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ratioci nation on May 20, 2004, 01:35:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Do we know what Kerry thinks of the idea?  I thought it was Joe "Four score and seven years ago..." Biden that suggested the pairing?
 
I think it has been widely reported that they are very good friends and talk on a regular basis.  I believe I have read that his campaign has at least investigated it which leads me to believe that Kerry is somewhat interested.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: keithstg on May 20, 2004, 01:36:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  newsflash: none of the democratic tickets in that time period had a republican on them, which was bag's point
I'm guilty of reading too quickly on that one. Apologies all around.
 
 This ticket won't either. Although the Dem pandering has definitely been on the rise since '80.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: brennser on May 20, 2004, 01:43:00 pm
speaking of  politics (http://www.rollcall.com/pub/49_128/hoh/5659-1.html)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: brennser on May 20, 2004, 01:45:00 pm
shite - its a log in site
 
 heres the text
 
 Blog Spat
 
 May 20, 2004
 By John Bresnahan, Roll Call Staff
 
 The denizens of Capitol Hill and the blogosphere are all abuzz about a
 female staffer for Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) and a webblog she reportedly
 maintained detailing her busy, busy sex life. The tale is now reaching
 critical mass.
 Mike Dawson, DeWine's communications director, said the staffer in question
 has not been fired, as has been alleged. DeWine's staff is looking into the
 matter and deciding what, if any, steps they will take, according to Dawson.
 "People made us aware of this yesterday," said Dawson in an interview
 Wednesday afternoon. Although the staffer in
 question was not at work on Wednesday, "she has not been terminated," said
 Dawson. DeWine's office could offer little information on the issue beyond
 that because it "remains a personnel matter" and is thus a "very sensitive
 area," Dawson added.
 The controversial blog, Washingtonienne, has been deactivated (HOH wants to
 warn readers about pretenders to the Washingtonienne mantle) but fellow
 blogger Wonkette has been on a mission to get the story out. Wonkette's
 editor, Ana Marie Cox, had linked to the now-defunct blog, and it was that
 increased exposure that apparently led to the scrutiny from DeWine's office.
 In her blog, Washingtonienne - who described herself as a staff assistant,
 or "Staff Ass" - wrote about the extensive cast of men she was involved
 with. At one point, Washingtonienne created a helpful "key" so readers could
 keep it all straight. The list included: "X," a "married man who pays me for
 sex" and is "Chief of Staff at one of the gov agencies, appointed by
 [President] Bush"; "QV," her serious long-term boyfriend, but who looked as
 if he was on the way  out; "YZ," her "new office [boyfriend] with whom I am
 embroiled in an office sex scandal"; and "K," a "sugar daddy" who also paid
 her for kinky sex.
 Washingtonienne was full of ribald and hilarious comments about life on
 Capitol Hill before it was cut off. In complaining about her low salary, and
 her wonderment at how other junior staffers could get by on such a pittance
 without resorting to less savory  means to supplement their incomes,
 Washingtonienne wrote: "I am convinced that Congressional offices are full
 of dealers and hos."
 Washingtonienne also spoke of local hot spots, her passion for the UPN show
 "America's Next Top Model," and "getting wasted" and passing out on her
 kitchen floor, which may not endear her to the higher ups in DeWine's
 office.
 As the "Washingtonienne Affair" reaches it denouement, HOH is reminded of
 the controversy surrounding the legendary Diana Davis, a former aide to Rep.
 Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) who was the star of a salacious Vanity Fair article
 back in the fall of 2001. The then-22-year-old Davis was forced out of
 Rogers' office after telling Vanity Fair that she slept with someone because
 he "knew [Rep.] Tom DeLay (R-Texas.)."
 Davis also partied with a bunch of Members on Sept. 13, 2001, two days after
 the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history, an anecdote that stunned lots
 of people of Capitol Hill.
 Davis resigned after the Vanity Fair article came out in early November
 2001.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: skonster on May 20, 2004, 01:51:00 pm
And here's apparently the archive of said blog:
 
 http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/ (http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ratioci nation on May 20, 2004, 02:02:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by skonster:
  And here's apparently the archive of said blog:
 
  http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/ (http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/)
the most interesting thing there is it said that Real World is coming to DC and they are living above Maggie Moos on 18th street, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Venerable Bede on May 20, 2004, 02:13:00 pm
does no one read anything i post (other than vansmack)?  ooh, and the real world story is not true. . .i'll have to post the link when i find it again.
 
 Venerable Bede
 Member
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Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Venerable Bede on May 20, 2004, 02:33:00 pm
btw, this site is great. . .i'm thoroughly enjoying this:
 
 http://app.ddot.dc.gov/services_dsf/traffic_cameras/traff-cams-main.asp (http://app.ddot.dc.gov/services_dsf/traffic_cameras/traff-cams-main.asp)
 
 (this is the main page)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Bags on May 20, 2004, 02:37:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   <img src="http://www.wonkette.com/images/funny_because_its_true.jpg" alt=" - " />
Don't you have that backwards?  Isn't it the Reps who are now telling us what kind of sex we can have in our own homes, whom we can marry constitutionally, and that our lives must be open books in the name of homeland security?
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2004, 02:43:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  does no one read anything i post (other than vansmack)?  
Thank you.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Bags on May 20, 2004, 02:43:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  does no one read anything i post (other than vansmack)?  ooh, and the real world story is not true. . .i'll have to post the link when i find it again.
 
 Venerable Bede
 
Bede, I'm still in the middle of reading her blog from your post in another thread -- and Brennser, love that Roll Call article -- thanks for putting it up.  I love this stuff...
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on May 20, 2004, 02:44:00 pm
My wife is the only person who has ever told me what kind of sex I can have in my home, and she's not a Republican.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
    <img src="http://www.wonkette.com/images/funny_because_its_true.jpg" alt=" - " />
Don't you have that backwards?  Isn't it the Reps who are now telling us what kind of sex we can have in our own homes, whom we can marry constitutionally, and that our lives must be open books in the name of homeland security? [/b]
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ggw on May 20, 2004, 02:44:00 pm
<img src="http://www.zenarchery.com/archives/banner_moore.jpg" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: skonster on May 20, 2004, 02:49:00 pm
Sorry, i didn't follow the 'bored at work' thread through to the bitter end.  Richard Leiby's Post chat last Friday mentioned that the Adams Morgan Real World was a rumor.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: godsshoeshine on May 20, 2004, 02:51:00 pm
the next real world is in philadelphia. it would be awesome if it was here, though. i blame liberals, the media, gay marriage and mike moore's lies for that one.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Venerable Bede on May 20, 2004, 02:52:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  the next real world is in philadelphia. it would be awesome if it was here, though. i blame liberals, the media, gay marriage and mike moore's lies for that one.
they almost had to forget about the philly real world though. . seems mtv doesn't much care for using union work in a union town.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: godsshoeshine on May 20, 2004, 02:53:00 pm
hmmmm...i'll blame not making tax cuts permanent for that one
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: on May 20, 2004, 02:54:00 pm
I'm weary of talking politics.  It's not like W is going to lose the coming election, or anything.  After all, he didn't have to win the last one to get in office.  George W is a proven win-winner.  He cannot lose.  It's a 'sure' thing.  
    <img src="http://www.transparencynow.com/Logan/skeline.jpg" alt=" - " />
 What about those new Logan's Run, touch-screen electonic voting machines?
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ggw on May 20, 2004, 02:59:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  the next real world is in philadelphia. it would be awesome if it was here, though. i blame liberals, the media, gay marriage and mike moore's lies for that one.
they almost had to forget about the philly real world though. . seems mtv doesn't much care for using union work in a union town. [/b]
Let's be honest.  Nobody "cares" for using union work, it's simply a matter of being bullied into using it.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: flawd101 on May 20, 2004, 03:35:00 pm
bush is going to crush kerry in the debates.  kerry will talk to much "trash" and look like a fuck up.
 
 i hope i dont get shot at skol tommorrow...
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: chaz on May 20, 2004, 03:43:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by flawd101:
  bush is going to crush kerry in the debates.  
Apparently you haven't heard him talk too much then...
 
 But really, he'll call Kerry un-american, Kerry will accuse him and his administration of lying and say the war is unjust.  Then it's just a matter of everyone choosing sides.
 
 But Bush just isn't the smartest or most informed guy in the room.  Remember back in school you had the 5 or 10% of kids that we're really smart, and then the majority who really didn't care, just happy to get along types ....Well the country is being run by your run of the mill C student.  He just happened to have the right parents and loads of money.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: godsshoeshine on May 20, 2004, 04:31:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by pollard:
   
Quote
Originally posted by skonster:
  And here's apparently the archive of said blog:
 
    http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/ (http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/)  
the most interesting thing there is it said that Real World is coming to DC and they are living above Maggie Moos on 18th street, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [/b]
also, politikki gets a mention. go stillrz n'at
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: mankie on May 20, 2004, 04:34:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
    <img src="http://www.wonkette.com/images/funny_because_its_true.jpg" alt=" - " />
Don't you have that backwards?  Isn't it the Reps who are now telling us what kind of sex we can have in our own homes, whom we can marry constitutionally, and that our lives must be open books in the name of homeland security? [/b]
I agree 100% with you Bagalicious....and it's confirmed...GGW has gone over the edge. I thought there was hope for him, but Bush, Cheney and Asscrotch have gotten to him first.
 
 Oh well, no great loss really.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ggw on May 20, 2004, 04:36:00 pm
Apparently that bumper sticker should read "I'm a Liberal and I HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR"
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Bags on May 20, 2004, 05:29:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Apparently that bumper sticker should read "I'm a Liberal and I HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR"
you kidding?  I was laughing my ass off as I typed it....      :p    Crazy Republicans, forgetting they were the party of "less government" -- hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
   <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage12/1.gif" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: mankie on May 20, 2004, 05:33:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
 
     <img src="http://www.transparencynow.com/Logan/skeline.jpg" alt=" - " />
 What about those new Logan's Run, touch-screen electonic voting machines?
What does the Polyphonic Spree have to do with this?
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Bags on May 20, 2004, 05:37:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
 
      <img src="http://www.transparencynow.com/Logan/skeline.jpg" alt=" - " />
 What about those new Logan's Run, touch-screen electonic voting machines?
What does the Polyphonic Spree have to do with this? [/b]
<img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/ARMS1.GIF" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: on May 21, 2004, 10:36:00 am
You know those little "I Voted!" stickers they give out after polling???
 
 This year they say "I Wonder?".
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: mankie on May 21, 2004, 10:48:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  You know those little "I Voted!" stickers they give out after polling???
 
 This year they say "I Wonder?".
Wouldn't the republicans stickers say, "I litigated" or  "I cheated" or something like that.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: jkeisenh on May 21, 2004, 01:35:00 pm
How about "my vote counts but yours don't!"
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  You know those little "I Voted!" stickers they give out after polling???
 
 This year they say "I Wonder?".
Wouldn't the republicans stickers say, "I litigated" or  "I cheated" or something like that. [/b]
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Venerable Bede on May 21, 2004, 02:02:00 pm
looks like the washingtonienne got fired. .hope she enjoys her few minutes of fame in this town:
 
 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: MIKE DAWSON
 MAY 21, 2004 (614) XXX-XXXX
 
 STATEMENT FROM THE OFFICE OF U.S. SENATOR MIKE DEWINE (R-OH):
 
 On May 18, 2004, our office became aware of allegations that an employee had been using Senate resources and work-time to post unsuitable and offensive material to an Internet Weblog. After investigating these allegations, our office has determined that there was an unacceptable use of Senate computers to post unsuitable and offensive material to an Internet Weblog. Other inappropriate material was found in the employeeâ??s work area as well. The employee has been terminated. Because this is a personnel matter, our office will not name the employee or have any further comment on this issue.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: godsshoeshine on May 21, 2004, 02:26:00 pm
man, she's going to have to take it in the ass even more now.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: jkeisenh on May 21, 2004, 02:38:00 pm
wait a minute... somebody thinks that thing is for real?  i mean, gawd, it reads like the Nanny Diaries.  Give me a break.  maybe one or two pieces are true, but this shi*t is mostly made up.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Venerable Bede on May 21, 2004, 02:47:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  wait a minute... somebody thinks that thing is for real?  i mean, gawd, it reads like the Nanny Diaries.  Give me a break.  maybe one or two pieces are true, but this shi*t is mostly made up.
geez, you're almost as bad as the wallflower. . .let's rain on everyone's parade.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: flawd101 on May 23, 2004, 12:49:00 pm
no no no no no
 
 bush wil crush in the debates.  he isnt smart but he will do better.  just wait.  hes a masterdebator
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Jaguär on May 23, 2004, 03:03:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   
Quote
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  wait a minute... somebody thinks that thing is for real?  i mean, gawd, it reads like the Nanny Diaries.  Give me a break.  maybe one or two pieces are true, but this shi*t is mostly made up.
geez, you're almost as bad as the wallflower. . .let's rain on everyone's parade. [/b]
Maybe you should introduce the two.   ;)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: chaz on May 23, 2004, 10:02:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  wait a minute... somebody thinks that thing is for real?  i mean, gawd, it reads like the Nanny Diaries.  Give me a break.  maybe one or two pieces are true, but this shi*t is mostly made up.
I know it's for real.  I've been having sex with her.  I'm 'YZ'.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: on May 24, 2004, 09:01:00 am
<img src="http://www.wonkette.com/images/wonkette%20on%20washingtonienne.jpg" alt=" - " />
  Purrrrrrrrrrrr (http://161.58.5.90/robocop/dollar.wav)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: keithstg on May 24, 2004, 10:30:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  wait a minute... somebody thinks that thing is for real?  i mean, gawd, it reads like the Nanny Diaries.  Give me a break.  maybe one or two pieces are true, but this shi*t is mostly made up.
She was just on CNBC. Still thinking it was fake?
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: mankie on May 24, 2004, 11:10:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
   :D  
 
 Seriously though...what's all the hoop-la about? All I know is some sex shennanigans were going on with some capitol hill staffers.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: on May 24, 2004, 11:25:00 am
<img src="http://www.zen27353.zen.co.uk/combine.gif" alt=" - " />
 
 It isn't Ginger (http://www.dazereader.com/24000344.htm).
 
   <img src="http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I49573-2004May23L" alt=" - " />
 
  http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/ (http://washingtoniennearchive.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Bags on May 24, 2004, 11:35:00 am
Aha!  The redhead is Wonkette -- Mank, she's hysterical and quite smart.  Looks like she's married, though, as she said "Mr. Wonkette made us breakfast."
 
 Cool website....
 www.wonkette.com (http://www.wonkette.com)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: mankie on May 24, 2004, 11:45:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
  Aha!  The redhead is Wonkette -- Mank, she's hysterical and quite smart.  Looks like she's married, though, as she said "Mr. Wonkette made us breakfast."
 
 
See we already have something in common....I'm married also!
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ratioci nation on May 25, 2004, 10:49:00 am
Clinton says she could support Republican McCain as Kerry's vice president
 
 Sun May 23, 6:37 PM ET  Add Politics - AFP to My Yahoo!
 
 WASHINGTON (AFP) - Senator Hillary Clinton (news - web sites) said she could support John McCain, a leading Republican senator, as the Democrats' vice presidential candidate in November's presidential election.
 
 "I'm a big admirer of John McCain's," Clinton -- the former US first lady and one of the most prominent Democrats in the US Congress -- told the "Fox News Sunday" program.
 
 McCain, a decorated Navy war hero and prominent senator from Arizona, lost the Republican presidential nomination to President George W. Bush (news - web sites) in the 2000 race.
 
 "I've spoken with Senator McCain and he assures me he's not interested, but you know, we'll see what happens."
 
 McCain has already said that he would not accept the vice presidential nomination if it were offered to him, but his name continues to swirl around Washington as a possible running mate for Massachusetts Senator John Kerry (news - web sites), the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.
 
 McCain was prisoner of war during the Vietnam War and has strong credentials on defense issues. He has gained a reputation as a tough-nosed, independent voice within Bush's party who is unafraid to criticize the president on high-profile issues.
 
 Although he is perceived as a moderate, he has several key policy differences with Kerry, notably on the emotive and divisive issue of abortion rights -- which Kerry supports and McCain opposes.
 
 "No two people have exactly the same position on every issue," Clinton said.
 
 "These are unusual times," she said.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ggw on May 25, 2004, 10:55:00 am
The Greening of John McCain
 
 Six or seven years ago, when he was a conventionally conservative senator from a reliably Republican Western state, John McCain could never have expected to find himself where he is now, all alone in the political catbird seat. One day he's touted as a possible running mate for John Kerry. The next he's assaulted by his own party with the kind of sputtering outrage that makes the target look good and the attacker look silly. House Speaker Dennis Hastert was so flustered by Mr. McCain's criticism of President Bush's wartime tax cuts that he accused the Arizona senator, a former prisoner of war, of knowing nothing about the meaning of sacrifice. All of which must amuse (when it does not pain) a man who relishes irony, political combat and the maverick's role.
 
 What's going on with Mr. McCain doesn't mean much for the Democrats; the senator seems to mean it when he says he'll support Mr. Bush, that he won't leave the Republican Party and that he doesn't want to be anybody's vice president. What's important is that over the last few years, Mr. McCain has morphed into a different kind of Republican â?? one who's true to the party's most basic values, but with an appeal that transcends the current red-state-blue-state national standoff.
 
 This transformation started with his feisty challenge to George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential primaries, when he drew more support from independents than he did from rank-and-file Republicans, and accelerated when he started veering from the party line on a range of issues. Most notable has been his break with the White House on energy and the environment. Once a reliable oil-and-gas man, he seemed genuinely shaken by evidence of the effects of global warming, and has since teamed up with Democrats like Joseph Lieberman to fight for greater fuel efficiency, cleaner power plants and other environmentally useful objectives.
 
 Environmentalism was, of course, a Republican issue first. Mr. McCain has simply rediscovered an old party value. The same thing is true of his longstanding fiscal conservatism. Here again he finds himself at odds with the White House and people like Mr. Hastert, who seem fixated on tax cuts however disastrous their budgetary consequences. Currently, he is part of a lonely band of four Republican moderates in the Senate â?? the others are Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island â?? who have bravely blocked passage of a budget that fails to balance huge tax cuts with either spending reductions or other revenue increases.
 
 Until Newt Gingrich and his Contract With America gang of rebellious reactionaries roared into town after the 1994 midterm elections, there were quite a few Republicans in Washington like John McCain who thought highly of balanced budgets. There was actually one in the White House, also named Bush, who raised taxes in a necessary if politically painful attempt to bring the deficit under control.
 
 But the McCains of this world are increasingly rare birds, and therein lies the strongest reason why he should resist the siren call of presidential politics and remain where he is and who he is. The gradual disappearance of moderates from the Republican landscape has helped neither the party nor the country. Mr. McCain's voice is more than a voice of bipartisan good sense. In time, it could lead the Republican Party back to where it once was and where it ought to be now.
 
 NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/24/opinion/24MON1.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fEditorials)
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: on May 25, 2004, 11:27:00 am
I'd pick McCain over slick-Kerry in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: mankie on May 25, 2004, 11:31:00 am
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  I'd pick McCain over slick-Kerry in a heartbeat.
McCain ain't gonna be nobodys bitch...yo!   :mad:  
 
 Actually, he should run as an independent..that would fuck Dubya up big time!
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: godsshoeshine on May 25, 2004, 12:26:00 pm
mccain would have whiped the floor with gore in 2000, and he would do the same to either major candidate this time around
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Celeste on May 25, 2004, 01:07:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
  Clinton says she could support Republican McCain as Kerry's vice president
 "These are unusual times," she said.
more like desperate times
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: ratioci nation on May 27, 2004, 09:15:00 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/26/opinion/polls/printable619786.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/26/opinion/polls/printable619786.shtml)
 
 Poll: McCain/Kerry Ticket A Winner
 NEW YORK, May, 26, 2004
 
 
 Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry holds an eight-point lead over President George W. Bush among registered voters in the latest CBS News poll, 49% to 41%, but one of the names currently bandied about as a running mate for him - Republican Sen. John McCain - gives Kerry an even larger edge when added to the ticket.
 
 McCain has continued to face questions about joining his fellow Vietnam veteran Kerry on a ticket, despite having insisted that he is not interested in doing so. Americaâ??s voters, meanwhile, do have interest in such a bi-partisan slate: a hypothetical Kerry/McCain pairing holds a 14-point advantage over President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney, nearly double the 8-point lead Kerry has alone over Bush.
 
 The Kerry/McCain ticket draws 15% of Republican voters while keeping the same level of support among Democrats - 80% - that Kerry enjoys alone. However, the addition of McCain brings many more veterans to the Democratic camp: tested one-on-one against Bush, Kerry loses to Bush among veterans, 54% to 41%. With Kerry and McCain together, the two tickets split the veteran vote.
 
 Independent voters, too, move to the Kerry/McCain ticket: 51% of them support Kerry over Bush, while 57% would back a Kerry/McCain ticket.
 
 Views of McCain
 
 Among those voters who have an opinion or know of John McCain, opinions of the Senator are overwhelmingly favorable. 46% say they have a favorable view of McCain, while just 9% are unfavorable. Independents hold the most favorable views. Republican voters, meanwhile, are more likely than Democrats to view the Senator in a negative light: 16% of them do, compared to just 4% of Democrats and 8% of Independents.
 
 Moreover, the Republican McCain has far higher favorable ratings than the Vice-Presidential nominee on the GOP side, Dick Cheney. The Vice-President elicits more negative than positive opinions from those familiar with him and, like the President, his negative ratings are up from last month. Despite four years in office, however, Cheney remains unknown to, or elicits no opinion from, more than one-third of voters.
 
 Senator John Edwards
 
 Adding one of John Kerry's former nomination rivals to the Democratic ticket, North Carolina Senator John Edwards, also helps Kerry, though to a lesser extent than does McCain. Edwards' name has also been mentioned by many as a potential running mate, and a Kerry/Edwards ticket would give the Democrats a ten-point margin over the incumbent Republicans, 50% to 40% -- a slight gain for Kerry on his eight-point one-on-one lead over Bush.
 
 KERRY & EDWARDS VS. BUSH & CHENEY: CHOICE IN NOVEMBER
 (Registered voters)
 
 Kerry/McCain
  50%
 Bush/Cheney
  40%
 
 The Kerry/ Edwards slate holds Democrats and draws a few more conservatives and Independents while dropping a bit with liberals. The Edwards addition also closes the gap with veterans.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: chaz on May 27, 2004, 09:22:00 pm
Very interesting article.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: flawd101 on May 27, 2004, 09:25:00 pm
mccain would be an ok president for me...but kerry has to be shot first...
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 27, 2004, 09:40:00 pm
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Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: on May 28, 2004, 11:09:00 am
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Originally posted by flawd101:
  ...but kerry has to be shot first...
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 Watch it!  People have been arrested for less than this.  This is no joking matter.
Title: Re: Politics, Yay
Post by: Jaguär on May 29, 2004, 09:21:00 pm
Sadly, Dupek is right.
 
 So much for 'the land of the free'!