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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: hutch on December 13, 2023, 09:19:28 pm
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Exactly what it says!
Closest wins!
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it's back to where is was 2 years ago.
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We are trying to predict the future not the past here
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don't care
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Well I never
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I am calling it:
February 29, 2024
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I'm going to go with March 4th (2023), the day the Trump trial begins, hopefully.
https://youtu.be/8x9Cv-dLw9E
Wait, did I mistype? I meant 2024, obviously.
And of course, no meaningful Trump trials, ever. The deep state wants a Trump dictatorship.
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It’s funny I noticed that the right has stopped the drum beat of check your 401(k)
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It’s funny I noticed that the right has stopped the drum beat of check your 401(k)
Of course many on the right don't have a 401K. Which is why they should be voting for more government handouts, not less.
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It’s funny I noticed that the right has stopped the drum beat of check your 401(k)
Of course many on the right don't have a 401K.
Roth IRA all the way.
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I'm going to go with March 4th (2023), the day the Trump trial begins, hopefully.
https://youtu.be/8x9Cv-dLw9E
2024?
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I'm going to go with March 4th (2023), the day the Trump trial begins, hopefully.
https://youtu.be/8x9Cv-dLw9E
2024?
Id that what next year is? Yeah 2024. Sorry, Trumpbiden brain.
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I'm going to go with March 4th (2023), the day the Trump trial begins, hopefully.
https://youtu.be/8x9Cv-dLw9E
2024?
Id that what next year is? Yeah 2024. Sorry, Trumpbiden brain.
I have to say Space, I really resent your equating Trump and Biden in any way. It’s pretty lame.
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I'm going to go with March 4th (2023), the day the Trump trial begins, hopefully.
https://youtu.be/8x9Cv-dLw9E
2024?
Id that what next year is? Yeah 2024. Sorry, Trumpbiden brain.
I have to say Space, I really resent your equating Trump and Biden in any way. It’s pretty lame.
Come on, they're both not the sharpest tacks in the room. Neither of them ever were, and both have mentally slid with age.
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In the current context it’s just stupid. Biden could be the last US democratic president of our lifetime. You know that right?
And let me ask you, do you really think Biden is in as bad mental shape as Trump? Is he doing a bad job administering our government? Remember how it was with Trump with people resigning left and right? Is Biden a psychopath?? What are you really talking about and do you really want to crack jokes about it?
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Space's dangerous insinuation that Biden is senile is going to cost him the election!
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Well you would know since you cost Hillary the election! You posted dozens of times how her and Trump were the same!!
You really need to shut your mouth when it comes to politics for the rest of your life cause that level of sheer idiocy cannot be lived down.
And don’t tell me you voted for her cause you can’t prove it.
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Sorry that one was on me.
Well you would know since you cost Hillary the election! You posted dozens of times how her and Trump were the same!!
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Apology not accepted!
Shameful!!
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Apology not accepted!
The ladies at the yacht club will get the vapors when they hear of this break with decorum!
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https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1120820536605585408?s=20
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Unfortunately coming over here reminded me of Space and NKOTB’s bothsidesism. 🤮
Anyway looks like tomorrow could be the day…
(https://i.ibb.co/z70Hk5L/IMG-1634.png) (https://ibb.co/qWPFZn4)
If Trump was president this is all republicans would talk about but because it’s Biden all we hear is how everything has gone to shit. 💩
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I'm going to go with March 4th (2023), the day the Trump trial begins, hopefully.
https://youtu.be/8x9Cv-dLw9E
2024?
Id that what next year is? Yeah 2024. Sorry, Trumpbiden brain.
As if any of the trials are ever going to take place. LOL.
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First, this is fake. Money is fake and the stock market is 100% fake That's like saying Biden should get credit for the Tooth Fairy leaving more money.
Second, I don't think both sides are the same. For example, Trump never militarily backed a genocide.
Unfortunately coming over here reminded me of Space and NKOTB’s bothsidesism. 🤮
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First, this is fake. Money is fake and the stock market is 100% fake That's like saying Biden should get credit for the Tooth Fairy leaving more money.
Second, I don't think both sides are the same. For example, Trump never militarily backed a genocide.
Unfortunately coming over here reminded me of Space and NKOTB’s bothsidesism. 🤮
Oh, he will. About 10 months from now.
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First, this is fake. Money is fake and the stock market is 100% fake That's like saying Biden should get credit for the Tooth Fairy leaving more money.
Second, I don't think both sides are the same. For example, Trump never militarily backed a genocide.
Unfortunately coming over here reminded me of Space and NKOTB’s bothsidesism. 🤮
This is the kind of lunacy that got us in trouble in the first place.
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He'll continue a genocide in about 10 months.
First, this is fake. Money is fake and the stock market is 100% fake That's like saying Biden should get credit for the Tooth Fairy leaving more money.
Second, I don't think both sides are the same. For example, Trump never militarily backed a genocide.
Unfortunately coming over here reminded me of Space and NKOTB’s bothsidesism. 🤮
Oh, he will. About 10 months from now.
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If Israel wanted to exterminate the Palestinian people in Gaza it could do it before I click post.
Making crazy unfounded accusations doesn’t do your credibility any favors.
Although it may pain you to accept, the US has very limited leverage with Israel. This isn’t Israel in 1955 or even 1982. Biden can tell Netanyahu whatever he wants but Bibi doesn’t have to listen and in fact isn’t listening.
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Trump never militarily backed a genocide.
correct, he prefers mass killings of civilians via non-military methods
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-policy-failures-have-exacted-a-heavy-toll-on-public-health1/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-policy-failures-have-exacted-a-heavy-toll-on-public-health1/)
https://www.businessinsider.com/analysis-trump-covid-19-response-40-percent-us-deaths-avoidable-2021-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/analysis-trump-covid-19-response-40-percent-us-deaths-avoidable-2021-2)
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate)
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-coronavirus-1858066 (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-coronavirus-1858066)
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Let's predict the day Hutch becomes/became a 401K millionaire.
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I mean, you do know how many people died of COVID under Biden, right?
Trump never militarily backed a genocide.
correct, he prefers mass killings of civilians via non-military methods
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-policy-failures-have-exacted-a-heavy-toll-on-public-health1/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-policy-failures-have-exacted-a-heavy-toll-on-public-health1/)
https://www.businessinsider.com/analysis-trump-covid-19-response-40-percent-us-deaths-avoidable-2021-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/analysis-trump-covid-19-response-40-percent-us-deaths-avoidable-2021-2)
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate)
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-coronavirus-1858066 (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-coronavirus-1858066)
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Let's predict the day Hutch becomes/became a 401K millionaire.
Are we not all in that club?
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I mean, you do know how many people died of COVID under Biden, right?
more than under trump (~600k vs 400k), however:
1) trump's admin had 10 months of pandemic, biden's admin covered 28 months. the first graph in this article (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/) shows that the deaths were not front-loaded.
2) biden inherited a mess and immediately set about improving the situation thus there is no concept of "excess deaths" associated with biden's response.
the criticism here isn't that some americans died under trump - that was inevitable, unfortunately - it's that 180,000 more people died that would otherwise be expected, primarily due to trump's policies and statements (i.e., because of trump). dunno about you, but having 180k people die because a leader prioritized his image and reelection campaign over the lives of civilians skirts awfully close to genocide territory.
anyhoo, i think we can agree that in november, we'll have a choice between two old men who are willing to put political considerations above the lives of civilians.
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Let's predict the day Hutch becomes/became a 401K millionaire.
Are we not all in that club?
I bet not.
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Biden oversaw more deaths from COVID and the the worst, most deadly spike a year into his presidency...i don't think you can chalk that up to "oh he's still dealing with a mess". If you're going to say Trump's policies were responsible for 180,000 deaths (and they were), can you can't say Biden's policies didn't do the same.
Look, Trump...disgusting, evil piece of shit who should absolutely be put against the wall for his actual crimes. And there are plenty of ways to convincingly point out that Biden is better (for example, he's got way less credible accusations of sexual misconduct!), but their handling of COVID ain't one.
I mean, you do know how many people died of COVID under Biden, right?
more than under trump (~600k vs 400k), however:
1) trump's admin had 10 months of pandemic, biden's admin covered 28 months. the first graph in this article (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/) shows that the deaths were not front-loaded.
2) biden inherited a mess and immediately set about improving the situation thus there is no concept of "excess deaths" associated with biden's response.
the criticism here isn't that some americans died under trump - that was inevitable, unfortunately - it's that 180,000 more people died that would otherwise be expected, primarily due to trump's policies and statements (i.e., because of trump). dunno about you, but having 180k people die because a leader prioritized his image and reelection campaign over the lives of civilians skirts awfully close to genocide territory.
anyhoo, i think we can agree that in november, we'll have a choice between two old men who are willing to put political considerations above the lives of civilians.
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I think I said the same on here years ago. Nobody ever mentions it but more died from Covid under Biden. It’s just a fact.
And if you subscribe to the idea that the buck stops with the president not sure one can not lay it at Biden’s feet. Although it’s not clear to me he did anything wrong. He did what he was supposed to do: follow the advice of those that supposedly knew the most.
The truth is we will never know what we did wrong or who is to blame or even how it started or what China really knew early on. It’s just very complicated. It’s going to be like the great influenza: society will move on and there will be different theories about what happened.
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Biden oversaw more deaths from COVID and the the worst, most deadly spike a year into his presidency...i don't think you can chalk that up to "oh he's still dealing with a mess".
you missed my point: deaths were inevitable, for any president. even with the perfect, science-based policies. the question is, did a president's policies contribute additional deaths above and beyond what an adequate response would bring? studies are conclusive: 180k more americans died under trump due to his mismanagement. there simply isn't one for biden, but please let me know if you find one.
the "worst, most deadly spike a year into his presidency" was due to a new variant (delta) that was more virulent didn't respond to vaccination as well as previous variants. same with the later omicron variant. those aren't policy-related spikes.
biden did inherit a mess - and look at the curve for the first year of his presidency. amazing what promoting & enhancing access to the vaccine can do (AKA policy decisions). and i didn't say that the only reason was dealing with the inherited mess, please don't reduce my argument to just one point :)
If you're going to say Trump's policies were responsible for 180,000 deaths (and they were), can you can't say Biden's policies didn't do the same.
yes one can. trump policies directly resulted in additional death that could have been avoided. he called for ignoring the issue and hoping it would just go away (despite being told that it wouldn't), putting off the shutdown as long as possible, promoting quackery like ivermectin, and casting doubt on the vaccine. i will however give credit to trump for green-lighting project warp speed even though he didn't do anything with the resulting vaccine - he was too busy plotting his coup). how you can say that they are both the same, and that the pandemic would have unfolded in the same way regardless of who was in the white house, is baffling.
And there are plenty of ways to convincingly point out that Biden is better (for example, he's got way less credible accusations of sexual misconduct!), but their handling of COVID ain't one.
strongly disagree. you cannot paint their approaches to covid with the same brush.
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That’s bull Sweetcell. You can’t say those deaths were inevitable.
You could say there is no evidence they were preventable.
Not sure I agree with that though…
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the market(s) are doing well bc they are pricing in a trump win in nov. at least that is what trump said.
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Ha ha ha
😂
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We didn’t make it
Am deflated
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We didn’t make it
Am deflated
Things we also didn't do:
Start the Fire
Light it
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Yes I can it's my brush
you cannot paint their approaches to covid with the same brush.
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ok, well may 16 2024 is the day it crossed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-dow-crosses-40000-for-the-first-time-in-history/ar-BB1mvBZv?ocid=BingNewsSerp
likely won't close over that, but line crossed...what's next 80K
Yes space beat me to it, but he didn't post in the correct thread
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Guessing March 28
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Sidefi when will you be issuing your BUY order??
(https://i.ibb.co/8gX4rXJs/IMG-5078.png) (https://ibb.co/9HG3bGJg)
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^what stock/index is that?
Absosmurfly not...site on the sidelines with cash. CD's are still paying 3%, so not a bad place to sit
But I do think buying opportunities will happen
Goldman Sachs (GS) said Friday that the likelihood of a recession within the next 12 months has increased from 15% to 20%. If the White House continues with additional tariffs, the bank said the risk of a recession would increase
QQQ (Nasdaq ETF )just lost 6 months of gain in about 3 weeks
is this what great means. Democrats should be telling people to look at their 401ks...specifically the YTD returns
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Wait what kind of operation you running Sidefi??
Tesla
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Wait what kind of operation you running Sidefi??
Tesla
all of my clients have made millions, so not sure what you are talking about
-narrator: he has never had any clients
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Wait what kind of operation you running Sidefi??
Tesla
also tesla
look at the 5 years chart
the time to get in was in 2020 (was in the $30s)
You could have even bought in 2023 (at $113) and still be up over 100% today (although on 1/6 you would have been up 280%)
short term stocks are always a poor play
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Wait what kind of operation you running Sidefi??
Tesla
also tesla
look at the 5 years chart
the time to get in was in 2020 (was in the $30s)
You could have even bought in 2023 (at $113) and still be up over 100% today (although on 1/6 you would have been up 280%)
short term stocks are always a poor play
But when it was $113 Sidefi said not to buy until it got to $100?!
“I want restitution!!!!”
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Dow down 963 points but am sure will bounce up bigly as we have entered a new American golden age.
Anyhow Trump said he doesn’t pay attention to market. Remember his first term???
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But when it was $113 Sidefi said not to buy until it got to $100?!
“I want restitution!!!!”
do you have proof?
also in the contract you signed for me to be your fiduciary advisory explicitly states:
**Disclaimer:**
Please do not take my investment advice seriously unless you enjoy living life on the edge, have a penchant for financial thrill-seeking, or are secretly a superhero with a cape and a magic crystal ball.
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So can we change the name of this thread to Predict date down will go below 40k (or 30K if we are being woke)
Question is now...do one bank (sell) a lot of the gains they made in the last decade now before it's too late
there are lots of CDs still above 4% (although only 6-18 month terms)
This is the problem with the MAGA/GOP philosphy of running the Gov't like a business
“If a company goes boom and blows up and suddenly, you know, is just a smoking crater, it’s a tragedy … but it’s easily recoverable. If a government blows up, that’s a terror for all of society,” Hoffman said.
co-founder Reid Hoffman, who worked with Musk in the early days of PayPal in 2000
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Thread title still works…I predicted March 28 I think
Maybe too optimistic
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But when it was $113 Sidefi said not to buy until it got to $100?!
“I want restitution!!!!”
do you have proof?
also in the contract you signed for me to be your fiduciary advisory explicitly states:
**Disclaimer:**
Please do not take my investment advice seriously unless you enjoy living life on the edge, have a penchant for financial thrill-seeking, or are secretly a superhero with a cape and a magic crystal ball.
Well you do have the lowest mortgage rate of anyone…will give you that
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I'll take that as a win!
in related news
Donald Trump (August 2024):
“We are going to have a crash and we’re going to have a crash like a 1929 crash if she gets in."
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i was buying on dips up until a couple of weeks ago. now i am waiting until the end. you will never get in the bottom, because when it reverses, it goes up fast. the question is, will this be as bad as trump's covid crash? on another note, i heard bill gates made big money betting tesla would crash.
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S&P 500 On Verge of Correction
Sevens Report Research's Tom Essaye told Barron's. "But while I don't think the bottom is in, I am hesitant of this sort of all of a sudden chorus of bears just coming out screaming, you know, that the whole thing's over. I'm hesitant to go that far as well."
So Bearman, can you tell me about the Chorus of Bears?
Is that the new Gay Men’s Chorus, with a little DEI-unwashing?
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buy on the dip
‘Buy The Dip’ Calls Fade as Trump Selloffs Rattle Wall Street
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/buy-dip-calls-fade-trump-120042858.html
Hutch may be pretty close to hitting the date we will slide back to 40k (after hitting a high of 44627 on 2/19/25)
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Speaking of bears I saw this... I'm guessing depending on the type of bears this is good or bad turn of events...
Libertarians took over a town in New Hampshire. They gutted the government, slashing every “wasteful” service.
Including garbage pickup.
Due to this, the town was soon overrun by bears. The libertarians fled.
That failed experiment is now happening on a national scale.
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(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D4E22AQFWCJS1_-h7Ig/feedshare-shrink_1280/B4EZWEls4YGwAk-/0/1741686232234?e=1744848000&v=beta&t=Txpxd95nZmnVwHu0ayP_4zZssJ7_AvxBUzdoTaSW_BA)
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Hutch may be pretty close to hitting the date we will slide back to 40k (after hitting a high of 44627 on 2/19/25)
actually, we might it it this week
today's low 40,661
closing in on a 10% drop in less than 30 days
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The Trump administration have outdone themselves and surpassed my wildest expectations for incompetence.
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Gold is on the rise!
although when we find out that Trump looted Ft Knox, wonder what will happen to that
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this seems like a good thread to bump tonight
could be a wild ride in the AM
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It’s crazy that republicans are into tariffs now….
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40700…..now
Doesn’t mean it will be this at days end.
These tariff levels are insane. If these are carried through tens of millions of Americans will be pushed into poverty.
In a way, in the short term it will be a huge regressive consumption tax.
The only way this would make sense is if middle and lower class Americans were given a sizable income tax cut.
Over the long term it’s unclear to me exactly how this would shake out. Would international business change its way of doing business? Would manufacturing plants reopen? Would the poorer US states begin making t-shirts? I don’t see it unless there was an expectation that this is the way it’s going to be for the long term.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/RUAuLSYLxus?si=kll9x7K2IMChTRXA
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https://youtube.com/shorts/RUAuLSYLxus?si=kll9x7K2IMChTRXA
Classic.
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Nothing to see here 1200 point drop is like a tourist
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the fact that newsmax rang the opening bell today is the chef's kiss on this fiasco
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not the most popular index, but actually much better than DJ at looking at the market as a whole
The Russell 2000 tumbled more than 5.5% and is now flirting with bear market territory, a 20% drop from its most recent high.
So much wining
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@theonion
Economists Warn Americans That Money Withering To Ash In Their Hands Could Be Sign Of Recession
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dow jones closed at 40,545.93 - so, tomorrow?
other forms of evidence of winning:
NYSE Composite -3.92%
S&P 500 -4.84%
DJIA -3.98%
Nasdaq -5.97%
Russell 2000 -6.59%
All Sectors -8.29%
Technology -17.15%
Financial Services -2.52%
Consumer Cyclical -16.45%
Healthcare 1.86%
Communication Services -8.99%
Industrials -7.38%
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hey FinHatch: is this good or bad?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnoGZyGXYAAglqe?format=jpg&name=large)
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Depends.
Good or bad for whom?
It’s more complicated than stock market went down a lot bad….
What I don’t get is what do they want all this money for?? We know Trump believes in debt so it’s not going to go to pare down debt. You hear rumors about paying for tax cuts for the wealthy but you also hear of tax hikes for the wealthy. Six trillion over ten years is a lot of money so what’s it for?
Is the whole thing about creating blue collar jobs for the base via import substitution (proven and proven again and again to be a failure)? Seems unlikely and stupid to create low skill jobs that won’t pay much.
And since it’s a tax on consumption it will be very regressive and affect the MAGA base disproportionately.
Is it to sink the dollar so as to render government debt worthless?
I don’t get the game here….I can’t accept it’s designed to willfully destroy America.
I think Peter Navarro is the main advisor on this…would be good to study him
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Welp, we did it
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/YM%3DF/
Technically “the futures”
But the opening bell will likely shoot under 40k
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Guessing March 28
I’m say 4/4/25
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Depends.
Good or bad for whom?
It’s more complicated than stock market went down a lot bad….
What I don’t get is what do they want all this money for?? We know Trump believes in debt so it’s not going to go to pare down debt. You hear rumors about paying for tax cuts for the wealthy but you also hear of tax hikes for the wealthy. Six trillion over ten years is a lot of money so what’s it for?
Is the whole thing about creating blue collar jobs for the base via import substitution (proven and proven again and again to be a failure)? Seems unlikely and stupid to create low skill jobs that won’t pay much.
And since it’s a tax on consumption it will be very regressive and affect the MAGA base disproportionately.
Is it to sink the dollar so as to render government debt worthless?
I don’t get the game here….I can’t accept it’s designed to willfully destroy America.
I think Peter Navarro is the main advisor on this…would be good to study him
Read Chris Murphy's tweets from yesterday.
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Guessing March 28
I’m say 4/4/25
Hey I was off by a week!
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Depends.
Good or bad for whom?
It’s more complicated than stock market went down a lot bad….
What I don’t get is what do they want all this money for?? We know Trump believes in debt so it’s not going to go to pare down debt. You hear rumors about paying for tax cuts for the wealthy but you also hear of tax hikes for the wealthy. Six trillion over ten years is a lot of money so what’s it for?
Is the whole thing about creating blue collar jobs for the base via import substitution (proven and proven again and again to be a failure)? Seems unlikely and stupid to create low skill jobs that won’t pay much.
And since it’s a tax on consumption it will be very regressive and affect the MAGA base disproportionately.
Is it to sink the dollar so as to render government debt worthless?
I don’t get the game here….I can’t accept it’s designed to willfully destroy America.
I think Peter Navarro is the main advisor on this…would be good to study him
Read Chris Murphy's tweets from yesterday.
I don’t do twitter no more.
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Welp, we did it
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/YM%3DF/
Technically “the futures”
But the opening bell will likely shoot under 40k
Futures are on the rise…hit a low of 39206
But looking like it might get above 40k by the opening bell
A lot of people are making tons of money on these wild fluctuations
Still think cash on the sidelines is the way to go, buying opportunities will be present… although we could also be on a very long and painful market “correction “
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You should publish a weekly broadsheet!
What does Sidefi think are the odds of a recession this year?
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You should publish a weekly broadsheet!
What does Sidefi think are the odds of a recession this year?
well, I’d say 73.4%
We are rerunning the models daily, but may need to change to hourly
Don’t worry folks, Donny has this under control (don’t mind the all caps, things are very calm and normal)
TO THE MANY INVESTORS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES AND INVESTING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, MY POLICIES WILL NEVER CHANGE. THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO GET RICH, RICHER THAN EVER BEFORE!!!
Donald Trump Truth Social 4/04/25 08:44 AM
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Guessing March 28
I’m gonna say 4/4/25
what was the prize here?
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Nothing to see here folks
Wall Street's biggest tech bull warns of $3,500 iPhones as 'economic Armageddon' looms from Trump tariffs
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-streets-biggest-tech-bull-warns-of-3500-iphones-as-economic-armageddon-looms-from-trump-tariffs-122638699.html
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Yowza… we were in the 38ks for a moment there
All the hype a few weeks ago was a blip… this shit is getting real bad quick
SELL!
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Always be the salmon.
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Always be the salmon.
bears love salmon
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any predictions when we get back to 40,000?
:)
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11/8/28?
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11/8/28?
ouch!