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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Vas Deferens on November 27, 2006, 11:50:00 pm
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Silversun Pickups
Wolfmother
Art Brut
Cold War Kids
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not sure if it was this year, but decemberists in the last 3 years or so ... and interpol from 04-05, i'm glad they've given us all a break for a year
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Matisyahu
Could not turn around with running into this sideshow.
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I saw Band of Horses twice...first time was great, second time was meh...too high (edit:them, not me) :)
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if U2 played one show it was one show too many.
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I was flipping through the radio stations, and caught the DC101 dj mentioning the LIVE was on tour every month but March last year. That's about 11 months too many.
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
if U2 played one show it was one show too many.
Yeah. They're only more or less the best touring band out. What the FUCK were they thinking. U2's a bunch of idiots . . . .
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by RatBastard:
if U2 played one show it was one show too many.
Yeah. They're only more or less the best touring band out. What the FUCK were they thinking. U2's a bunch of idiots . . . . [/b]
U2, a band (and I use the term loosly) made of no talent meglomaniacs. The lead singer (again using a term for lack of better) is the biggest poser of the lot. U2 should move over and make room for real musicians. Just goes to show you that there is no accounting for taste. As far as talent goes, I would say that U2 rates right up there with Milli Vanilli and the Spice Girls but I wouldn't want to insult the later two that way.
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by RatBastard:
if U2 played one show it was one show too many.
Yeah. They're only more or less the best touring band out. What the FUCK were they thinking. U2's a bunch of idiots . . . . [/b]
U2, a band (and I use the term loosly) made of no talent meglomaniacs. The lead singer (again using a term for lack of better) is the biggest poser of the lot. U2 should move over and make room for real musicians. Just goes to show you that there is no accounting for taste. As far as talent goes, I would say that U2 rates right up there with Milli Vanilli and the Spice Girls but I wouldn't want to insult the later two that way. [/b]
Yeah. You're absolutely right. Cause Bono using his celebrity as a method to feed hungry
children in Africa is so fuckin' pointless. He should do bumps all day & fuck groupies while wreaking of Jagermeister. And the Edge is a HORRIBLE guitarist. Not as if his style hasn't influenced a legion of fuckin' guitarists. The Edge sucks. No talent at all. And Larry Mullen & Adam Clayton are the worst rhythm section of all time. You're absolutely right. It's not like U2 has the most solid rock catalog of the past 25 years. They fuckin' suck. I think you're onto something . . . . .
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There is no such thing as a band touring too much. This is the worst thread ever.
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Bono, Tax Avoider
The hypocrisy of U2.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2006, at 6:43 PM ET
A familiar paradox about leftist celebrities in the entertainment industry is that their embrace of progressivism almost never includes a wholehearted embrace of progressive taxation, i.e., the principle that the richer you get, the larger the percentage of your income you ought to pay in taxes. The latest example is U2's Bono, a committed and unusually sophisticated anti-poverty crusader who is taking surprisingly little heat for the decision by his band, U2, to relocate its music-publishing business from Ireland to the Netherlands in order to shelter its songwriting royalties from taxation.
The irony was stated in admirably stark terms by Bloomberg's Fergal O'Brien, who reported on Oct. 16:
Bono, the rock star and campaigner against Third World debt, is asking the Irish government to contribute more to Africa. At the same time, he's reducing tax payments that could help fund that aid.
"Preventing the poorest of the poor from selling their products while we sing the virtues of the free market â?¦ that's a justice issue," Bono said at a prayer breakfast attended by President Bush, Jordan's King Abdullah, and various members of Congress earlier this year. Preaching this sort of thing has made Bono a perennial candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize. He continued:
Holding children to ransom for the debts of their grandparents ... that's a justice issue. Withholding life-saving medicines out of deference to the Office of Patents ... that's a justice issue.
And relocating your business offshore in order to avoid paying taxes to the Republic of Ireland, where poverty is higher than in almost any other developed nation? Bono's hypocrisy seems even more naked when you consider that Ireland is a tax haven for artists. In June 2005, Bono (who was born in Dublin) told the Belfast Telegraph:
Our publishing, which is about one third of our income, we have tax breaks on, and that's great and that's encouraged us to stay in Ireland and if that changes, it's not going to affect anything for U2. ...
Six months later, Ireland's finance minister announced a ceiling of $319,000 on tax-free incomes, and six months after that, U2 opened its Amsterdam office. The relocation of U2's music publishing will halve taxes on the band's songwriting royalties, which already reportedly total $286 million. Although Bono has declined to comment on the move, the band's lead guitarist, David "the Edge" Evans, said, "Of course we're trying to be tax-efficient. Who doesn't want to be tax-efficient?'" Writing in the Observer, Nick Cohen noted that Evans "sounded as edgy as a plump accountant in the 19th hole."
U2's tax-shelter scheme caused an uproar in Ireland when the story broke there in August. But it's scarcely raised a ripple in the United States. A conservative would argue that's because in this country, we don't begrudge a man the opportunity to keep what he earns off the sweat of his brow (or even off the sweat of someone else's brow ) â?¦ even if that man spends half his time trying to goad governments into spending more to alleviate poverty. But a liberal could answer that in the United States, we are so used to seeing rich people avoid taxation that even a wealthy hypocrite who shelters his cash abroad can no longer qualify as news.
Timothy Noah is a senior writer at Slate.
Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2152580/ (http://www.slate.com/id/2152580/)
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^^^^^^Fuck the fact that he's a multi-millionaire . . . Bono wanting to save his money makes him a hypocrite correct????? Yeah, like you wouldn't wanna do the same shit??? The dude still finds time to dedicate HIS time AND HIS money to a worthy cause. Seriously, get the fuck outta here. The Bono/U2 hating is ri-fuckin'-diculous. It'd be one thing if the reasons were actually founded or something. It's one thing to be like U2 doesn't move me or I don't think their material is good as it once was. Or I just don't like them. That's fair. But for someone to claim their talentless is fuckin' incomprehensible to me. And all this Bono is a poser shit kills me, too. Last I checked what lead singer doesn't have an ego???? (LSD, anyone??? Many of your favorites are quite guilty of it.) This man's tryin' to eradicate poverty & get poor people in Africa clothed & fed. That makes him a poser. (Granted he is on TV a shitload, which could be fairly annoying. I'll give you that.) But if Bono was caught in a hotel room with yay leaking from his fuckin' nose, cheating on his wife while having an S&M menage with two hookers, no one would say SHIT. Get the fuck outta here . . . .
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Bono, Tax Avoider
The hypocrisy of U2.
I think coming from anybody but you or venerable (and a handful of others), it's a worthy argument. But for the one outspoken Republican on the board to continually bring up the fact that a profitable business wants to move to a locale that has a more profitable tax scheme, I only see the hypocrisy in that as well.
You, of all people, should be cheering U2 for being savvy businessmen and avoiding government intrusion. The rest can bitch. And Jag gets first rights because she's been harping on U2's tax avoidance from the first time I met her.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Get the fuck outta here . . . .
Right or wrong, you can't win this argument. When you're on top as U2 have been for years, there's no place to go but down. This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Right or wrong, you can't win this argument. When you're on top as U2 have been for years, there's no place to go but down. This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss.
it also has something to do with all the stale music they have been pumping out for many years now
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I didn't actually write that article.....
I don't begrudge him his right to take full advantage of all the tax shelters available to a man of his means. Then again, I also don't venerate him as some paragon of charity.
And how much money does Bono really donate? I've never seen any figures.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I didn't actually write that article.....
I know, but you have posted it twice in arguments over U2's talent as a band, which inevitably delves somewhat superficially into the extra-curricular Bono musings (sometimes by the U2 supporter, but more often than not by the former U2 listener who is now a hater by virtue of Bono's fame). Tolerating Bono's preaching is likely the difference between a diehard fan of U2 and a casual fan or hater of U2. But it should say nothing of the band's music or talent, but it always does on message boards like this one.
That being said, had you posted the slightly more "fair and balanced" (and probably better written) Bloomberg piece the second time, I might have given you some leeway:
Bono, Preacher on Poverty, Tarnishes Halo With Irish Tax Move
By Fergal O'Brien
Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Bono, the rock star and campaigner against Third World debt, is asking the Irish government to contribute more to Africa. At the same time, he's reducing tax payments that could help fund that aid.
After Ireland said it would scrap a break that lets musicians and artists avoid paying taxes on royalties, Bono and his U2 bandmates earlier this year moved their music publishing company to the Netherlands. The Dublin group, which Forbes estimates earned $110 million in 2005, will pay about 5 percent tax on their royalties, less than half the Irish rate.
``Among the wealthiest people I suppose it's the norm,'' Jill Cassidy, 23, said on South King Street near a plaque marking the site of Dublin's Dandelion market, where U2 played some of its earliest concerts. ``In U2's position, it does come across as quite hypocritical.''
The tax move has tainted the image of Bono, nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and U2 at home. Now promoting a new DVD, book and album, the band is fighting back. Lead guitarist David Evans, known as The Edge, earlier this month defended the publishing company's move as a sensible decision for a group that makes 90 percent of its money outside Ireland.
``Our business is a very complex business,'' Evans said Oct. 2 on Dublin radio station Newstalk, breaking the band's silence after weeks of public criticism. ``Of course we're trying to be tax-efficient. Who doesn't want to be tax-efficient?''
As residents of Ireland, members of U2 remain liable for personal income taxes. Any Irish-based companies they control will pay taxes on their profits.
`Poor Example'
Principle Management, U2's management company, declined to comment when Bloomberg asked for a statement from Bono.
Dublin-born Bono has been mentioned as a candidate for Nobel Peace Prize since 2003. The Norwegian Nobel Committee on Oct. 13 awarded the 2006 prize to Bangladeshi banker Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank for advancing social and economic development by giving loans to the poor.
Bono, 46, has toured Africa, established the pressure group Debt AIDS Trade Africa and become one of the most vocal supporters of the Make Poverty History campaign. In July 2005, he helped persuade world leaders to double aid for Africa to $50 billion a year by 2010 and erase the debt of the 18 poorest countries on the continent.
``I can see no connection between what he is doing and Make Poverty History,'' said Richard Murphy, a director at U.K.-based Tax Research Ltd. and author of a book called ``Money Matters: Artist's Financial Guide.'' ``He is setting a poor example by his tax affairs.''
`Creative' Income
At a concert last year in Croke Park, Dublin's biggest stadium, Bono appealed to Prime Minister Bertie Ahern to raise overseas aid to 0.7 percent of gross national product by 2007 from 0.5 percent now. The crowd responded by booing Ahern.
The political catcalls have now turned on Bono, whose real name is Paul Hewson.
``It seems odd, in a situation where they enjoy an already favorable tax regime, they would move operations to the Netherlands to get an even more favorable rate,'' said Joan Burton, finance spokeswoman for the opposition Labour Party.
For years, Bono and U2 got a better deal than most Irish taxpayers because songwriters paid no tax on earnings from music publishing. That will change next year, when Ireland limits the tax exemption, which also applies to writers and artists. From Jan. 1, artists that make more than 500,000 euros ($625,450) will pay tax on half their ``creative'' income, according to Ireland's Revenue Authority.
Remaining in Ireland would have forced Bono to pay a 42 percent tax on such earnings. Alternatively, the band could have channeled profits through a company to pay the 12.5 percent corporation tax.
Millennium Goals
Wealthy individuals have put about $11.5 trillion in tax havens around the world, according to a 2005 paper by the London- based Tax Justice Network. Unpaid taxes on those assets could amount to $255 billion, the paper said.
``That's five times the amount needed to achieve the Millennium Development Goals, which Bono says he's really interested in,'' Murphy said, referring to a United Nations plan to eradicate poverty and combat the spread of AIDS. ``My answer is, put your money where your mouth is.''
Some fans accept the band's explanation of its tax planning because U2 has been generous in the past.
``They've paid plenty of money up to now,'' said Peter Cooper, 58, who lives in Bray, near Bono's home in Dalkey. ``I think they are quite right'' to move the company abroad.
Paul McGuinness, the band's manager, said in the Oct. 4 issue of the music magazine Hot Press that Ireland itself had benefited from low taxes. The country's 12.5 percent profit tax - - half the European Union average -- has helped Ireland lure investment from companies such as Intel Corp. and Dell Inc.
That reasoning has done little to help Bono ease criticism of the tax move.
``I don't think it's justified,'' said Sean Lynch, a 28- year-old artist. ``Social conscience is the thing I would like to address to them.''
To contact the reporter on this story: Fergal O'Brien in Dublin at fobrien@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: October 15, 2006 19:08 EDT
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Get the fuck outta here . . . .
Right or wrong, you can't win this argument. When you're on top as U2 have been for years, there's no place to go but down. This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss. [/b]
You're one of the more rational people I've ever seen on this board. And since you phrased it that way, I realized that you're absolutely right. It seems like a lotta cats love for bands here decreases exponentially with every 100,000 or so units moved. LOL . . . .
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I didn't actually write that article.....
I don't begrudge him his right to take full advantage of all the tax shelters available to a man of his means. Then again, I also don't venerate him as some paragon of charity.
And how much money does Bono really donate? I've never seen any figures.
So if there was easily located figure of Bono's donations to charity placed out there by him or his "people" wouldn't that make him more of a hypocrite/megalomaniac/egomaniac??? Charity isn't always a square number, but that's just my two cents . . . (pun intended)
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This cat still loves Guided By Voices, in spite of allthe 100K units moved. But I bet it doesn't love U2.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Get the fuck outta here . . . .
Right or wrong, you can't win this argument. When you're on top as U2 have been for years, there's no place to go but down. This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss. [/b]
You're one of the more rational people I've ever seen on this board. And since you phrased it that way, I realized that you're absolutely right. It seems like a lotta cats love for bands here decreases exponentially with every 100,000 or so units moved. LOL . . . . [/b]
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Vansmack - Amen brother. Perfect observation of many on this board.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
So if there was easily located figure of Bono's donations to charity placed out there by him or his "people" wouldn't that make him more of a hypocrite??? Charity isn't always a square number, but that's just my two cents . . . (pun intended)
Why would that make him more of a hypocrite?
It's just funny that there are never any citations about him giving xx.xx amount to such-and-such organization. It's just a lot of abstract mentions about his "generosity" without ever quantifying it.
Perhaps he really does put his money where his mouth is. I've just never seen anything concrete.
He wouldn't be the first (nor the last) to cultivate an image of philanthropy that he never really lived up to.
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When you're that rich, what else are you going to do other than give a good chunk of it to charity?
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i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
just don't confuse the two.
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What if he called a black dude the "N" word?
Originally posted by Big KC:
i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
just don't confuse the two.
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Then he'd be Elvis Costello.
Originally posted by Steny Hoyer, Pubic Destroyer:
What if he called a black dude the "N" word?
Originally posted by Big KC:
i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
just don't confuse the two.
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This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss.
too friggin true around here... and this has been going on for how many years that I occasionally been dropping by here?
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and i wouldn't call him friend...
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Originally posted by Steny Hoyer, Pubic Destroyer:
What if he called a black dude the "N" word?
Originally posted by Big KC:
i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
just don't confuse the two.
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Then I guess he'd still reap 1/4 of the DVD profits with Jerry, Jason, & Julia. LOL
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Originally posted by Alex:
There is no such thing as a band touring too much. This is the worst thread ever.
you don't think a band can get overexposed? i think interpol definitely did that with the non-stop touring of a year or two ago
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Absolutely not. As long as people are coming out to their shows, they are getting exposure, and they are getting paid. There will always be people who missed them the first time who will come out the second time, and on and on. Especially for bands that don't get much radio exposure, it's a good way to get their name out there and build up popularity.
I've seen Lucero at least four or five times this year between DC, Baltimore and Richmond. Yeah, there are the regulars out at every show, but at every single one I've heard people talk about how its the first time they've seen them, that they were drawn to them because of people talking about seeing them live. That gets around and gets more people buying albums, merch, coming to the shows, etc.
So no, I don't think there is such a thing as too much touring, unless you hit one single city that isn't your hometown more than like 5-6 times in a year. And so far, I don't think any band in this thread is guilty of doing so.
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I would argue that overexposure in music is a huge issue, even if we're talking about "indie" groups hitting the same city 3-4 times in a year or getting way too much deafening hype/publicity rather than, say, a certain john mellencamp song being played 553 times per day in a certain chevrolet ad ... people got pretty sick of hearing about clap your hands say yeah, tapes n' tapes, etc, and a backlash starts ... and i remember a lot of people saying "interpol is here again?!" about a year ago, and they definitely had a backlash (this isn't just from bulletin board chatter)
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
and i remember a lot of people saying "interpol is here again?!" about a year ago, and they definitely had a backlash (this isn't just from bulletin board chatter)
Then don't go if you just saw them. How hard is that?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
people got pretty sick of hearing about clap your hands say yeah, tapes n' tapes, etc, and a backlash starts ...
Then don't buy the magazine, read that particular article in the paper, or believe the hype. You may not be able to control the media, but you can control your intake. Turn the page, change the channel, turn the dial, click the mouse, hit the back button.....
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Turn on
Tune in
Drop out
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if you're talkin about being a hypocrite and the like, how many people have bought or toured or listened to anything by Willie Nelson?
I'm just sayin'..
um, with that said can the stones please quit touring? I heard the stage creaking from my room. ty.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Then he'd be Elvis Costello.
Originally posted by Steny Hoyer, Pubic Destroyer:
[qb] What if he called a black dude the "N" word?
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Or Ice Cube.
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Originally posted by -kat-:
if you're talkin about being a hypocrite and the like, how many people have bought or toured or listened to anything by Willie Nelson?
I'm just sayin'..
um, with that said can the stones please quit touring? I heard the stage creaking from my room. ty.
Just a question. Have you actually seen the Stones anytime recently???? Answer honestly.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
people got pretty sick of hearing about clap your hands say yeah, tapes n' tapes, etc, and a backlash starts ...
Then don't buy the magazine, read that particular article in the paper, or believe the hype. You may not be able to control the media, but you can control your intake. Turn the page, change the channel, turn the dial, click the mouse, hit the back button..... [/b]
of course you control your own intake, but you're talking on a micro-level, not a macro-level ... widespread backlashes DO happen from overexposure (including too much touring), both in the indie world and the mainstream music world, and it can be really damaging to a band .... that's the only point i'm trying to make ...
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Originally posted by Alex:
There is no such thing as a band touring too much. This is the worst thread ever.
i second this. utterly stupid.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
Originally posted by Alex:
There is no such thing as a band touring too much. This is the worst thread ever.
you don't think a band can get overexposed? i think interpol definitely did that with the non-stop touring of a year or two ago [/b]
of all the bands listed here....i think i only saw Wolfmother once and Matisyahu once (cause i was working his show). so i dont think any of them tour too much.
being overexposed, to me, isnt touring too much, its when bandmates get in fights, go to rehab, break up and get back together repeatedly, or get their personal lives splashed all over the news. Ted Leo tours nonstop every year it seems and i would never call him overexposed!!!!
it comes down to this, each year I go to far too few concerts and there are always bands i miss. If someone is in the situation that they have seen every band out there and cant find a good show to go to cause they've seen everyone touring, well then you shouldn't really be complaining....go see a movie or a play or something!!!!
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by -kat-:
if you're talkin about being a hypocrite and the like, how many people have bought or toured or listened to anything by Willie Nelson?
I'm just sayin'..
um, with that said can the stones please quit touring? I heard the stage creaking from my room. ty.
Just a question. Have you actually seen the Stones anytime recently???? Answer honestly. [/b]
Spending more money for one night than I pay on a $4k medical bill that i got when i totalled my car coming home from a show in a month? fuck no.
Did see U2 at MSG last year as a late birthday present from a friend. Both nights, on the floor, and was simply amazing.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
of course you control your own intake, but you're talking on a micro-level, not a macro-level ... widespread backlashes DO happen from overexposure (including too much touring), both in the indie world and the mainstream music world, and it can be really damaging to a band .... that's the only point i'm trying to make ...
Widespread backlashes happen regardless of the amount of touring and I don't think they're related. Take Arctic Monkey's, they've played a handful of dates stateside in the past 2 years, yet the backlash from this board and others like it has been amazing. The reason: "Everytime I open a magazine it's Arctic Monkey's this Arctic Monkey's that - I'm tired of Arctic Monkey's!!!" That's not the fault of the band, it's the fault of having not very creative writers. Pitchfork has made a name for itself by being all about the backlash phenomenon.
It all goes back to my previous point - backlash is created by indie cred - when one was the first to discover Arctic Monkey's, they were the shit. When everyone knows about them, and more often then not, external sources start singing their praises, instantly it's time to hate and the backlash starts. It becomes less about the music and more about the perception of the band.
Interpol were going to experience backlash regardless of how many times they stopped through DC, NY, or LA. Catchy tunes on the radio with videos on MTV that high school kids liked doomed them. Not the constant touring.
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Originally posted by -kat-:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by -kat-:
if you're talkin about being a hypocrite and the like, how many people have bought or toured or listened to anything by Willie Nelson?
I'm just sayin'..
um, with that said can the stones please quit touring? I heard the stage creaking from my room. ty.
Just a question. Have you actually seen the Stones anytime recently???? Answer honestly. [/b]
Spending more money for one night than I pay on a $4k medical bill that i got when i totalled my car coming home from a show in a month? fuck no.
Did see U2 at MSG last year as a late birthday present from a friend. Both nights, on the floor, and was simply amazing. [/b]
Fine then. It looks like I can have an educated debate with you, then. Saw U2 on the floor both nights at MCI. I agree/I can relate. It was amazing. (So amazing, I'm going to see them in Hawaii next Saturday & Pearl Jam's opening.) Saw the Stones on November 17th in A.C. 3rd time this tour alone. I'm not gonna try and justify the $400+ price tag, cause it's pretty fuckin' high. But it's WELL worth it. There's a reason that people come out in DROVES to pay that shit whenever they tour. People constantly say "Oh, they're so old." But no one's ever seen them that says that. Any time I've come from a show with someone or talked to people after seeing them the 1st time its usually, "Wow! I didn't know they were still THAT good." Simply put, Mick Jagger's an ageless fuckin' wonder. They give you 2+ hours at a minimum EVERY show. And at the age of 63, Mick doesn't stop moving THE WHOLE SHOW. I'm 28, weigh about 185, and I'm 5'11". Unless I drink an inordinate amount of Grey Goose, I can't FUCK for two plus hours let alone run around non-stop on a 100-foot stage. (Sorry, I suffer from Newport respiratory syndrome.)
Since you've been to a U2 show Kat, you remember how it was festive and what not, but there was a spiritual aspect to it???? Like a spiritual cleansing or some shit of that nature?? U2 shows are like church + rock to the nth degree. The Stones shows, however, are pretty much the ultimate party. That's what I love about concerts. Where else in the fuckin' world are you gonna see a 28-year old black man running around high-fiving 40 & 50-something year old white men & their MILF wives, like old buddies but who are in actuality perfect strangers, while singing "Jumpin' Jack Flash" off-key as hell????? At a Stones show. That's where.
To sum it all up, the Stones aren't like Dylan (And I love Dylan) is now, who chooses to mumble his way through songs and what not. For those of you who were at VFest and saw the Who, most people said it was great/borderline amazing. I agree. Well, the Stones are even better than that. 60 year olds aren't supposed to rock like that. If you ever get the chance, I suggest you go. Well worth the $400+, and any time from here on out they come anywhere near the tri-state area, they got my money for sure. It's some fantastic shit for lack of a more elequent terminology . . .
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Originally posted by vansmack:
yet the backlash from this board and others like it has been amazing.
really? i havent seen it anywhere, but then again i dont read all the threads, I dont think any backlash has been any greater than the normal amount for a band that is that hyped
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wait, are we backlashing U2 or the Arctic Monkeys? or perhaps the most backlashed band on the planet...Radiohead. (perhaps of all time)
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Where else in the fuckin' world are you gonna see a 28-year old black man running around high-fiving 40 & 50-something year old white men & their MILF wives, like old buddies but who are in actuality perfect strangers, while singing "Jumpin' Jack Flash" off-key as hell????? At a Stones show. That's where.
and that, kind sir, is the precise reason why you will NOT see me at a stones concert.
and personally, i would be more impressed by someone who can fuck for two hours than by someone who runs around non-stop (the latter is commonly referred to as a "marathoner").
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
really? i havent seen it anywhere, but then again i dont read all the threads
I seem to remember Arctic Monkey's being mentioned a few times in the Albums you wanted to hate but ended up liking thread sometime ago, mostly because folks were opposed to the hype. But I'm getting old so I could have remembered it wrongly.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
while singing "Jumpin' Jack Flash" off-key as hell?????
who, Mick Jagger?
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We Are Scientists seem to have played the area a bunch, 3-4 times including DC and Baltimore, and they are back next month at the Black Cat. Not that touring too much is really a big deal...if you're tired of seeing a band live, just stay home or do something else. The bigger problem is bands that don't tour enough or get to the area. Placebo usually plays this area and skipped DC this tour.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by sweetcell:
while singing "Jumpin' Jack Flash" off-key as hell?????
who, Mick Jagger? [/b]
LOL.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Where else in the fuckin' world are you gonna see a 28-year old black man running around high-fiving 40 & 50-something year old white men & their MILF wives, like old buddies but who are in actuality perfect strangers, while singing "Jumpin' Jack Flash" off-key as hell????? At a Stones show. That's where.
and that, kind sir, is the precise reason why you will NOT see me at a stones concert.
and personally, i would be more impressed by someone who can fuck for two hours than by someone who runs around non-stop (the latter is commonly referred to as a "marathoner"). [/b]
I mean . . . . once the Grey Goose takes over I turn into the second cuming of John Holmes. LOL.
Nah, on a serious note though. I just tried to conjure up the most off the wall scenario I could come up with for you. There's a fairly more diverse "demographic make-up" at a Stones show than you would think. I guess I've always been in love with the utopian ideal aspect of concerts. It's kinda ill how you can make time stop for an hour or two, you know?
Plus I don't really tend to kick it with the baby boomers too much. I can diversify my cultural palette and what not. :p
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double post.
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Originally posted by dcwizard:
We Are Scientists seem to have played the area a bunch, 3-4 times including DC and Baltimore, and they are back next month at the Black Cat. Not that touring too much is really a big deal...if you're tired of seeing a band live, just stay home or do something else. The bigger problem is bands that don't tour enough or get to the area. Placebo usually plays this area and skipped DC this tour.
That's a band that hasn't stopped touring for essentially a year. I saw them the first time they came through here at the Black Cat in October of last year, open for Hot Hot Heat in November, and saw them twice this summer. Yeah, they weren't AMAZING any time, but the first two times at least, I had a really good time, they're fun live. The last two times? Surrounded by screaming fan girls, pushing each other to get a chance to Keith's hand and who, once they touched it, spent the rest of the show talking about how they would never wash it again. You couldn't escape them. I was surrounded by them five deep on either side. If I wanted that I would go see the Backstreet Boys. Overexposure killed any interest I had in seeing that band.
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That's exactly how Econo acted the first time we saw them...in a basement in Mt. Pleasant back in 2001.
Yeah, that's right. I'm cooler than all of you.
Originally posted by Graace:
Surrounded by screaming fan girls, pushing each other to get a chance to Keith's hand and who, once they touched it, spent the rest of the show talking about how they would never wash it again. You couldn't escape them.
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Originally posted by Graace:
Surrounded by screaming fan girls, pushing each other to get a chance to Keith's hand...You couldn't escape them. I was surrounded by them five deep on either side.
They were hotter than you, weren't they?
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Originally posted by Graace:
Overexposure killed any interest I had in seeing that band.
Is that overexposure or just success?
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Originally posted by vansmack:
yet the backlash from this board and others like it has been amazing.
really? i havent seen it anywhere, but then again i dont read all the threads, I dont think any backlash has been any greater than the normal amount for a band that is that hyped [/b]
arctic monkeys: fucking overhyped (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=012312)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Graace:
Surrounded by screaming fan girls, pushing each other to get a chance to Keith's hand...You couldn't escape them. I was surrounded by them five deep on either side.
They were hotter than you, weren't they? [/b]
If fourteen year old pre-pubescent girls and college chicks with beer bellies do it for you, then yes.
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Interesting point. I've never been able to get into the Stones music as much as many others. My parents saw them in Wichita (yes, i'm from Kansas) and they said it was pretty awful. This coming from my parents who, in 1973, saw Pink Floyd's DSOTM tour and brought in brownies to share with their group, including the security guards. (yeah, my parents are fucking awesome)
I'm not saying that people don't pay the pricetag, but the only time I'd pay over $200 for any kind of ticket would be if Pink Floyd resurrected itself from the earth with all the members (though their Live 8 was pretty damn close to me getting a passport), or a few other bands. But it's really difficult to justify paying anything over $100 to many of these performers when given their income over mine, lol. $100 to me is pocket change for them, but buys my groceries for a month x3
With that said - no U2 wasn't spiritual to me, but it was a good show. Springsteen back on the Rising tour was probably similar to your experience - having actually moved to North Carolina by that point, and I flew back to Kansas just to see that show. (well goddamn fucking worth it, too.... and getting busted taping by the security guard just to see him go "meh, screw it, you got away with it and I didn't catch ya."
And there are plenty of parties to be had, but most of those shows are either local bands, or bands I've listened to in the backs of clubs at 12 am pouring their fucking hearts out.. akin to the stones. One of the best bands I ever have had the pleasure to see (28? times) was The Urge... that was a fucking party every time they took the stage.
sorry for all the cursing, I'm just too damn tired.
But I do see your points, and it's refreshing to see music still touching people as such.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
of all the bands listed here....i think i only saw Wolfmother once and Matisyahu once (cause i was working his show). so i dont think any of them tour too much.
being overexposed, to me, isnt touring too much, its when bandmates get in fights, go to rehab, break up and get back together repeatedly, or get their personal lives splashed all over the news. Ted Leo tours nonstop every year it seems and i would never call him overexposed!!!!
it comes down to this, each year I go to far too few concerts and there are always bands i miss. If someone is in the situation that they have seen every band out there and cant find a good show to go to cause they've seen everyone touring, well then you shouldn't really be complaining....go see a movie or a play or something!!!!
Well, I saw Matisyahu 3 times (Coachella, Ram's Head and HFStival) and that was two times too many. My brother purposely skipped his set at Bonnaroo and he was everywhere else in between from what I gather. Wolfmother was everywhere as well from Virgin Festival to Coachella and I caught both of those sets also or at least portions of them. My point is, each set I saw was exactly the same as the one before it because nothing new was introduced. So yes, bands can tour too much when they bring nothing new to the table.
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Originally posted by -kat-:
Interesting point. I've never been able to get into the Stones music as much as many others. My parents saw them in Wichita (yes, i'm from Kansas) and they said it was pretty awful. This coming from my parents who, in 1973, saw Pink Floyd's DSOTM tour and brought in brownies to share with their group, including the security guards. (yeah, my parents are fucking awesome)
I'm not saying that people don't pay the pricetag, but the only time I'd pay over $200 for any kind of ticket would be if Pink Floyd resurrected itself from the earth with all the members (though their Live 8 was pretty damn close to me getting a passport), or a few other bands. But it's really difficult to justify paying anything over $100 to many of these performers when given their income over mine, lol. $100 to me is pocket change for them, but buys my groceries for a month x3
With that said - no U2 wasn't spiritual to me, but it was a good show. Springsteen back on the Rising tour was probably similar to your experience - having actually moved to North Carolina by that point, and I flew back to Kansas just to see that show. (well goddamn fucking worth it, too.... and getting busted taping by the security guard just to see him go "meh, screw it, you got away with it and I didn't catch ya."
And there are plenty of parties to be had, but most of those shows are either local bands, or bands I've listened to in the backs of clubs at 12 am pouring their fucking hearts out.. akin to the stones. One of the best bands I ever have had the pleasure to see (28? times) was The Urge... that was a fucking party every time they took the stage.
sorry for all the cursing, I'm just too damn tired.
But I do see your points, and it's refreshing to see music still touching people as such.
Kat, nice post. I see while you may not agree with all my points, you can see where I'm coming from. That's some beautiful shit. Music is the unifier of people who otherwise may not ever cross paths. I, too, will possibly kick myself for not snatching my passport up for Pink Floyd. (I swear, if they EVER get back together - no price tag will stop me.) And you are quite right . . . . . your parents definitely fucking rock. ;)
P.S. Flying to Honolulu on Thursday to see Pearl Jam open for U2 . . . . I'll PM you some pics . . .
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I think this forum should be titled "bands i saw in which I thought I suffered deja vu". I mean, i remember one year i kept seeing Hoobastank at like every other concert I went and all i could say was "that band has a good tour manager that gets connections". And it supports the fact, once you hear it enough, you'll find yourself humming it one day out of the blue although I haven't done that with Hoobastank, thank god