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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Giles on March 12, 2008, 11:07:00 am
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I've seen MSP several times in the UK at a couple of summer music festivals and at the Oasis/Nissan show a number years back - and I know that the last time they were supposed to play the 9:30 the entire US tour got cancelled - isn't high time they do a another US tour - since 'Send Away the Tigers' got released last Fall - I'd kill to see them again, 'live' they put on an amazing show.
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I'm with you on that, I almost flew to the UK last year when they toured just so I could catch one of their goddamned shows, they're currently one of the only bands that I would suffer through some bullshit all-day festival to see.
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Originally posted by Giles:
I've seen MSP several times in the UK at a couple of summer music festivals and at the Oasis/Nissan show a number years back
My God, weren't Oasis awful at that show? That was the last show before Oasis just gave up and scrapped the rest of the tour, wasn't it? The Manics were good, though.
The Manics don't have too much luck with American tours. It was right before a planned US trek that Richey disappeared.
I don't think it makes sense financially for the Manics to tour America. I'd be surprised if "Send Away the Tigers" has sold 20,000 copies in America since its release. I mean, Suede and Pulp didn't tour more than a few dates in America after 1996.
I guess you're going to have to make do with Rhianna covers.
Brian
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
I'm with you on that, I almost flew to the UK last year when they toured just so I could catch one of their goddamned shows, they're currently one of the only bands that I would suffer through some bullshit all-day festival to see.
I saw them at one of the V Fests when they became headliners replacements (Travis pulled out) and the show was fantastic - it was a total sing along - "Tsunami" being the best of the bunch.
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by Giles:
I've seen MSP several times in the UK at a couple of summer music festivals and at the Oasis/Nissan show a number years back
My God, weren't Oasis awful at that show? That was the last show before Oasis just gave up and scrapped the rest of the tour, wasn't it? The Manics were good, though.
The Manics don't have too much luck with American tours. It was right before a planned US trek that Richey disappeared.
I don't think it makes sense financially for the Manics to tour America. I'd be surprised if "Send Away the Tigers" has sold 20,000 copies in America since its release. I mean, Suede and Pulp didn't tour more than a few dates in America after 1996.
I guess you're going to have to make do with Rhianna covers.
Brian [/b]
Suede never gave a toss about touring the states - I ultimately saw them when they headlined Reading one year - the one and only time I saw them in performance.
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Originally posted by Giles:
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by Giles:
I've seen MSP several times in the UK at a couple of summer music festivals and at the Oasis/Nissan show a number years back
My God, weren't Oasis awful at that show? That was the last show before Oasis just gave up and scrapped the rest of the tour, wasn't it? The Manics were good, though.
The Manics don't have too much luck with American tours. It was right before a planned US trek that Richey disappeared.
I don't think it makes sense financially for the Manics to tour America. I'd be surprised if "Send Away the Tigers" has sold 20,000 copies in America since its release. I mean, Suede and Pulp didn't tour more than a few dates in America after 1996.
I guess you're going to have to make do with Rhianna covers.
Brian [/b]
Suede never gave a toss about touring the states - I ultimately saw them when they headlined Reading one year - the one and only time I saw them in performance. [/b]
I once saw Suede at the WUST hall (what the 9:30 club used to be) supporting "Dog Man Star" and they were out for BLOOD. One of the best shows I've ever seen. Bernard had just left and they were so fierce and tight.
Also, I think they had their istruments stolen in Boston on one tour. Maybe they felt it wasn't worth it.
Brian
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Add me to the list of those who would love to see a Manics show/tour. Thanks to Nissan Pavilion/I-66 traffic, I missed them opening for Oasis (who I'd agree were pretty dreadful that night).
I'd also say not likely based on the economics of it. I suppose the best we could hope for is a one-off in NYC maybe?
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Never got to see Suede - I think the last US show was in support of 'Coming Up' at the Supper Club in NYC. Would have lost my shit to have seen that DC 'Dog Man Star' show. Saw Pulp at Tibet DC and Hammerstein Ballroom - know they played 9:30 for 'Different Class' which would have been AMAZING! Finally saw Blur at 9:30 Club for 'Think Tank.' Saw Elastica at 9:30 Club for 'The Menace.' Missed seeing Lush at 9:30 Club for 'Lovelife' although saw them at HFS.
Would love to see Manic Street Preachers - agree that a NYC one-off might be the only chance.
Would love to see New Order - although i guess they're disbanded now?
Hmmm - Think that about covers the Britpop mid 90's must-see bands. Looking forward to finally seeing Jesus and Mary Chain (saw FreeHeat at Metro), My Bloody Valentine, etc.
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Being the Britpop whore that I am, I have to say I regret not having seeing Lush and Ride back in 1990. That would have been amazing...I did catch Lush at the 9:30 a couple of times after that. I also missed the Manics on the Generation Terrorists tour, and that is still my favorite record of theirs. I prefer the US-mix better than the UK mix.
But I did get to see pretty much every other band from that era. I saw Blur and Pulp together, which was a lot of fun. I think I saw Catherine Wheel at least 10 times. Was anyone else at Suede back when the 9:30 was WUST and the Cranberries and Counting Crows were the openers? I have to say nobody put on better shows than Inspiral Carpets and Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine. What kills me is both are still gigging in England. I think the Inspirals are doing a show in London this week.
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Oh yeah, anyone else catch the JAMC/Curve/Spiritualized tour in 1992? That was one of the best triple bills I've seen.
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Originally posted by bearman:
Being the Britpop whore that I am, I have to say I regret not having seeing Lush and Ride back in 1990. That would have been amazing...I did catch Lush at the 9:30 a couple of times after that. I also missed the Manics on the Generation Terrorists tour, and that is still my favorite record of theirs. I prefer the US-mix better than the UK mix.
But I did get to see pretty much every other band from that era. I saw Blur and Pulp together, which was a lot of fun. I think I saw Catherine Wheel at least 10 times. Was anyone else at Suede back when it was WUST and the Cranberries and Counting Crows were the openers?
Yes. Yes! YES! You had me!
I have to say nobody put on better shows than Inspiral Carpets and Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine.
Then you lost me.
Brian
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Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Never got to see Suede - I think the last US show was in support of 'Coming Up' at the Supper Club in NYC. Would have lost my shit to have seen that DC 'Dog Man Star' show. Saw Pulp at Tibet DC and Hammerstein Ballroom - know they played 9:30 for 'Different Class' which would have been AMAZING! Finally saw Blur at 9:30 Club for 'Think Tank.' Saw Elastica at 9:30 Club for 'The Menace.' Missed seeing Lush at 9:30 Club for 'Lovelife' although saw them at HFS.
Would love to see Manic Street Preachers - agree that a NYC one-off might be the only chance.
Would love to see New Order - although i guess they're disbanded now?
Hmmm - Think that about covers the Britpop mid 90's must-see bands. Looking forward to finally seeing Jesus and Mary Chain (saw FreeHeat at Metro), My Bloody Valentine, etc.
of the bands that you've listed I saw
Pulp (9:30 'Different Class' tour) A-mazing!
Blur (9:30, Black Cat, Nation)
Elastica (Black Cat)
Lush (9:30)
Curve (9:30 F Street - headliner)
Inspiral Carpets (9:30)
Supergrass (after The Prodigy headlining at the HFS'Tival - two awesome shows back to back)
and many others, I purposely try to attend every British band that comes to the District. Razorlight and Arctic Monkeys though are overrated IMO.
for the record I wasn't at the WUST Suede show ... :(
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I bet you never saw them...Inspiral Carpets circa 1991 was one of the most insane concert events of my life. I've never seen a band integrate lighting, slides shows and film so well into their music. It was just as intense as seeing Helmet in their prime. I'll never forget it as long as I live. My sister concurs, so at least I know I wasn't the only one. You just had to be there.
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Sorry...I'm feeling rather nostalgic for some of these bands. 2 more that I always loved: Pop Will Eat Itself and Ned's Atomic Dustbin. People always tease me for being a groupie, but I have some great Ned's stories that I wouldn't trade for anything. My friend Colleen was a huge Ned's freak and she wasn't shy about trying to meet up with them. We hung out with Ned's about 4 or 5 times and it was always great. Such nice fellas.
The most depressing (and yet hilarious) story was when Ned's got stuck opening for Sponge in 1995 on their last US tour, even though 2 years earlier they were headlining the same venues and selling them out. Sony/Columbia totally screwed them with promotion on "brainbloodvolume", which isn't a horrible record. It was the perfect example of a label trying to "break" a band, instead they broke them up.
Anyway, after the show we went to a bar in Chicago called the Liar's Club and I was hanging out with Jon (the singer) and some guy walks in who looked really familiar. It was the bass player from Jesus Jones. He met some girl on tour, married her, and moved to Chicago. He told me that basically he was doing odd jobs...i.e. squirrel-proofing houses. And this was in 1995, it's not like they didn't have success. They sold a decent amount of records and made money. I don't know how musicians make a living today, I really don't.
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Originally posted by bearman:
I bet you never saw them...Inspiral Carpets circa 1991 was one of the most insane concert events of my life. I've never seen a band integrate lighting, slides shows and film so well into their music. It was just as intense as seeing Helmet in their prime. I'll never forget it as long as I live. My sister concurs, so at least I know I wasn't the only one. You just had to be there.
I have to concur as well, seeing them at the old 9:30 Club was definitely a sensory overload mindfuck with the visuals being crammed into such a small space, I think there were even warnings posted outside haha
And the couple Helmet shows that I saw there in '91 were fucking amazing, how the hell did they become so goddamn lame so quickly after that?
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
[QB] I have to concur as well, seeing them at the old 9:30 Club was definitely a sensory overload mindfuck with the visuals being crammed into such a small space, I think there were even warnings posted outside haha
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I thought the same thing for the Curve and Tripping Daisy show at the F Street location - Curve was a literal wall of sound, the band nearly hidden from view for half the show in stage fog. Tripping Daisy purposefully hidden for view behind a curtain. A They Might be Giants show with trumpets that were so ear pierce-ingly LOUD. The old venue had it's plus' and negatives.
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Originally posted by bearman:
Anyway, after the show we went to a bar in Chicago called the Liar's Club and I was hanging out with Jon (the singer) and some guy walks in who looked really familiar. It was the bass player from Jesus Jones. He met some girl on tour, married her, and moved to Chicago. He told me that basically he was doing odd jobs...i.e. squirrel-proofing houses. And this was in 1995, it's not like they didn't have success. They sold a decent amount of records and made money. I don't know how musicians make a living today, I really don't.
don't tell charlie this... but the jesus jones bass player is a member of the waco brothers...
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Yep, that's him!
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Originally posted by bearman:
Oh yeah, anyone else catch the JAMC/Curve/Spiritualized tour in 1992? That was one of the best triple bills I've seen.
no, but i saw a dambuilders/weezer/lush show once. . .
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Bringing this back from the dead...no idea that they were playing shows in the US starting next week, looks like a roadtrip is going to be in the works since no DC date.
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speaking of: i have a ticket for the NYC show (webster hall on oct 7) that i can't use anymore. anyone interested in it should PM me.
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I'm going to Philly and NYC. ;D
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we need a full report!!!
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ahh for the days of brian wlalalacce
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It's a damn shame that they're not coming to DC... :(
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My late pass ass bought a Philly ticket last night, I think I'm going to hold off on NYC plans until I hear feedback from the first couple west coast shows as to whether they're mixing up their setlist or not.
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so cant wait for this. should be great! their last show at bimbo's was just awesome with an amazing setlist.
and the night before brakes brakes brakes. my friend is beyond excited for this one as she used to know hamilton? of BSP quite well. should be a good time.
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Setlist of the 1st show of the tour from last night (courtesy of the Forever Delayed forum)
SEATTLE - NEUMOS - Monday September 21st.
SET LIST:
1. Motorcycle Emptiness
2. No Surface All Feeling
3. Peeled Apples
4. Your Love Alone Is Not Enough (with a false start as James' guitar tuning was off)
5. La Tristessa Durera
6. Jackie Collins Existential Question Time
7. Let Robeson Sing
8. You Love Us
9. Everything Must Go
10. Faster
11. Take The Skinheads Bowling
12. If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next
13. Small Black Flowers (acc)
14. This is Yesterday (acc)
15. Send Away The Tigers
16. You Stole The Sun
17. (extended) 'All or Nothing' into Motown Junk
18. Me And Stephen Hawking
19. Little Baby Nothing
20. This Joke Sport Severed
21. Design For Life
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Wow. WOW. Motown Junk? Really? God, I'm so sad to miss this tour.
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Really is a pretty good setlist. Sucks to miss out on this tour.
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Setlist of the 1st show of the tour from last night (courtesy of the Forever Delayed forum)
SEATTLE - NEUMOS - Monday September 21st.
SET LIST:
1. Motorcycle Emptiness
2. No Surface All Feeling
3. Peeled Apples
4. Your Love Alone Is Not Enough (with a false start as James' guitar tuning was off)
5. La Tristessa Durera
6. Jackie Collins Existential Question Time
7. Let Robeson Sing
8. You Love Us
9. Everything Must Go
10. Faster
11. Take The Skinheads Bowling
12. If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next
13. Small Black Flowers (acc)
14. This is Yesterday (acc)
15. Send Away The Tigers
16. You Stole The Sun
17. (extended) 'All or Nothing' into Motown Junk
18. Me And Stephen Hawking
19. Little Baby Nothing
20. This Joke Sport Severed
21. Design For Life
what no 'Tsunami'? interesting that they did 'Your Love Alone Is Not Enough' since it's technically a duet - oh well...
so who here is doing a roadtrip up to the Philly show?
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Setlist of the 1st show of the tour from last night (courtesy of the Forever Delayed forum)
SEATTLE - NEUMOS - Monday September 21st.
SET LIST:
1. Motorcycle Emptiness
2. No Surface All Feeling
3. Peeled Apples
4. Your Love Alone Is Not Enough (with a false start as James' guitar tuning was off)
5. La Tristessa Durera
6. Jackie Collins Existential Question Time
7. Let Robeson Sing
8. You Love Us
9. Everything Must Go
10. Faster
11. Take The Skinheads Bowling
12. If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next
13. Small Black Flowers (acc)
14. This is Yesterday (acc)
15. Send Away The Tigers
16. You Stole The Sun
17. (extended) 'All or Nothing' into Motown Junk
18. Me And Stephen Hawking
19. Little Baby Nothing
20. This Joke Sport Severed
21. Design For Life
what no 'Tsunami'? interesting that they did 'Your Love Alone Is Not Enough' since it's technically a duet - oh well...
so who here is doing a roadtrip up to the Philly show?
I'm roadtripping to the Philly show, still debating whether to make a 2 day run of it and go to NYC as well.
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Great setlist. Getting really really excited for this.
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I promise I won't post every setlist but posting this one to show that most of the set is the same, hope they bring back "Take the skinheads bowling" though haha
Commodore Ballroom Vancouver 9/22 (again, courtesy of the Forever Delayed forum)
1. Motorcycle Emptiness
2. No Surface All Feeling
3. Peeled Apples
4. Your Love Alone Is Not Enough
5. La Tristessa Durera
6. Jackie Collins Existential Question Time
7. Let Robeson Sing
8. Faster
9. Everything Must Go
10. This Joke Sport Severed
11. From Despair To Where
12. If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next
13. This Is Yesterday - acc (James offered the option of this or 'Small Black Flower' ... TIY won)
14. The Everlasting - acc
15. Send Away The Tigers
16. You Stole The Sun
17. 'All Or Nothing' (extended) into Motown Junk
18. Me And Stephen Hawling
19. Little Baby Nothing
20. You Love Us
21. Design For Life
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those of you that went-how was it?
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those of you that went-how was it?
Excellent. Nice venue, kinda like a smaller version of the State Theater and seemingly smaller than what they are typically playing on this tour. The band seemed genuinely happy to be there. Lots of energy/pogoing/scissor kicking on stage.
More or less the same setlist as the other nights. And for once it's nice to see a crowd that is totally engaged at what is going on up on the stage.
So glad I'm finally getting a chance to see this band.
Off to NYC for tonight...
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The Philly show was SO goddamned good, great sound in a perfectly sized venue and definitely worth the drive from Virginia (especially since a couple folks on the Forever Delayed messageboard said that James specifically commented outside last night after the show that a return to the states wouldn't be happening for another couple years when the next album is released).
Also, I met one of the folks behind the "No Manifesto" project (i.e. Manics documentary) which I didn't know about until last night (I just hit him up after the show because he was running a video camera HAHA), DEFINITELY looking forward to seeing this!
http://www.youtube.com/user/NoManifestoFilm
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does anyone know what band the other guitarist was in? I thought James had said Boy Kill Boy but Im not 100% certain. Dont have time to search endlessly through the forever delayed board and read how everyone met James and Nicky and all their other stories.
Thanks! Show last night was awesome. Sad they didnt play 'so why so sad', but theres so many songs Id have loved to have heard. Cant believe it was 10 years since I last saw them, but they still managed to put on one hell of a show. And seems 2 years is when they should be back as James mentioned at the show.
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Im with you coachdobbs I keep checking the tour page hoping and praying for Clearwater, Florida. Im happy Im not the only one doing that......LOL