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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: tenpercenter on October 16, 2003, 09:51:00 am
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does anyone else think its weird that they added and second show in the same night?
i'm am surely no fan, but i just find it really weird. and have some friends who are pretty confused by it. it seems like they're charging $30 for a prolonged encore.
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no it's not weird at all. the second show was added because of the demand for tickets. its happened with a mighty wind. ideally they would add a second night but the b&s tour schedule doesn't permit it.
there will some diehard fans that will go to both. because the maybe some variation in the setlist.
personally it means i might get to see them this time, because i already have tickets for eddie izzard the same night.
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Okay, if the second show has doors at 10:30, that means the first show audience must be out by 10:00 at the latest, which means the actual show will start very early. If this shit starts really early and I can't go after paying waaaaaay too much for the ticket in the first place, I'm going to be really, REALLY pissed off.
OR,
If they cut the first set time down to accommodate the second one, I'm going to be equally as pissed off.
Seth, what gives?
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oh wow, that sucks. i didn't realize it was the same night on the main page. $60 for one marathon show would suck. is slumber party opening the second half too?
this sounds like something phish or widespread panic would pull
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complain much?
i believe the b&S show at DAR was over by 10pm...
i predict support act on at 7:45pm
b&s on at 8:30pm with 90 minute set
no one is requiring people to buy tickets to both shows...
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isn't that what the internet is for?
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Look at the bright side...
Now I may get to catch the Decemberists that same night.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Look at the bright side...
Now I may get to catch the Decemberists that same night.
You planning on going to the early B&S show then?
That would make a great double bill......
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Exactly, which is why I'd switch my late show tickets for early show tickets with someone (once I check with my show partner!).
Originally posted by nkotb:
Look at the bright side...
Now I may get to catch the Decemberists that same night.
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Personally, I kind of wish I was going to the second set...generally, most bands I've seen that perform 2 sets get really cooking during the second set. The first is kind of a warm-up. so they don't blow their wad all at once. I'm debating if I will go to both. Sigh. If I knew what the setlist variations would be, then I would highly consider it.
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I hear you, bunnyman, but I'd love to see the Decemberists as well that night.
May not be an option for me anyhow.
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From what I'm reading it seems the first show will be too early, too short and kind of lame, compared to the second one.....Mank gets shafted yet again.
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From what I'm reading it seems the first show will be too early, too short and kind of lame, compared to the second one.....Mank gets shafted yet again.
Ugh. That's what I'm thinking too. And then they're going to rush us out of there. Not cool. :confused:
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Yeah, I already had a ticket, so I'm guessing it's the early show I'm going to.
Now I just hope that I can make it to the Black Cat in time.
Originally posted by The Pariah:
Originally posted by nkotb:
Look at the bright side...
Now I may get to catch the Decemberists that same night.
You planning on going to the early B&S show then?
That would make a great double bill...... [/b]
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Originally posted by PR_GMR:
From what I'm reading it seems the first show will be too early, too short and kind of lame, compared to the second one.....Mank gets shafted yet again.
Ugh. That's what I'm thinking too. And then they're going to rush us out of there. Not cool. :confused: [/b]
I learned a valuable lesson today tough...I'll never buy a ticket for a show in advance ever again. If it sells out before the night of the show then I simply wasn't meant to go.
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fyi when there were two mighty wind shows on one night... the first one didn't end until the doors where scheduled to open for the second...
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it seems like they get you to go to all the trouble of buying one $30 ticket, then give you a teaser performance and THEN get you to dole out another $30 to stay for the good stuff. bad move, b&s. i was debating going to this show when it was first announced, and now i am glad i decided that $30 was too much. i mean, if they didn't play dylan in the movies or something in the first one, wouldn't a hardcore fan stay for the second to see whatever didn't get played during the first set?
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.....or maybe the first show sold out really fast and they decided it would be nice to add a second show for those people who weren't able to get tickets to the first show?
Or perhaps I'm just not cynical enough?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Or perhaps I'm just not cynical enough?
For some reason,I doubt that ;)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
.....or maybe the first show sold out really fast and they decided it would be nice to add a second show for those people who weren't able to get tickets to the first show?
Or perhaps I'm just not cynical enough?
It didn't sell out really fast at all, and I remember some comments on this board about how surprised they were that B&S hadn't sold out yet.
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Well, that would seem to indicate that the second show was planned all along, in which case, I can't imagine they would be cutting the first show short at all (at least not any shorter than they were already planning to play)>
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
.....or maybe the first show sold out really fast and they decided it would be nice to add a second show for those people who weren't able to get tickets to the first show?
Or perhaps I'm just not cynical enough?
It didn't sell out really fast at all, and I remember some comments on this board about how surprised they were that B&S hadn't sold out yet. [/b]
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
.....or maybe the first show sold out really fast and they decided it would be nice to add a second show for those people who weren't able to get tickets to the first show?
If that's how the club thinks then JT should just be starting his 187th show in a row in a few minutes.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
.....or maybe the first show sold out really fast and they decided it would be nice to add a second show for those people who weren't able to get tickets to the first show?
Or perhaps I'm just not cynical enough?
i think we need to mark this date on the calendar... the first time both ggw and kosmo didn't feel cynical about something
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i think we need to mark this date on the calendar... the first time both ggw and kosmo didn't feel cynical about something
I'm with you guys on this one. If Markie's on board then the apocalypse is at hand....
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is b&s bring over the same extended group as last time? the extra horns and strings. if thats the case there will probably be little variation in shows...
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
.....or maybe the first show sold out really fast and they decided it would be nice to add a second show for those people who weren't able to get tickets to the first show?
Or perhaps I'm just not cynical enough?
It didn't sell out really fast at all, and I remember some comments on this board about how surprised they were that B&S hadn't sold out yet. [/b]
It looks like it sold out in 2-3 weeks.
Looking at their tour dates, they are playing much larger venues in most other cities, so perhaps they announced the first show and when they saw it sold out pretty fast (by DC standards), announced the second show - having planned to do two shows all along.
Either way, I don't think they are going to "tease" people at the first show as a way of conning them into buying another ticket.
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I am not cynical..... If a sell shows out a month beforehand then there is obviously good demand.
They played a much larger venue before and on other dates on this tour.
just to add some cynicism......
What time does it say doors open on your ticket, Mankie?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
...wouldn't a hardcore fan stay for the second to see whatever didn't get played during the first set?
i can't think of a single instance where the second show had a setlist any different from the first.
if you wanna see a different set, try he durham, nc show before they get to us, or maybe the nyc dates in november.
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
just to add some cynicism......
What time does it say doors open on your ticket, Mankie?
I'll check when I get home, and if it changes from the ticket.....I'll sue the bastards and get rich from it. ;)
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I can't believe you people.
Elsewhere on the Forum, sueandnotu is attempting to trade her liver for Belle & Sebastian tix. Now that there's a second show, she'll be able to see them without losing a vital body part. Can't you all just be happy for her?
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i'm happy
now how about a late late interpol show for those willing to do anything for a ticket...
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Originally posted by twangirl:
I can't believe you people.
Elsewhere on the Forum, sueandnotu is attempting to trade her liver for Belle & Sebastian tix. Now that there's a second show, she'll be able to see them without losing a vital body part. Can't you all just be happy for her?
I'm very happy for sueandnotu....she'll be able to see half a show in the early hours of the morning instead of no show....those of us who were on the ball and bought tickets the day they went on sale will now get to see half a show as a matinee instead of a full show in the evening.
Geddit?!
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GREAT NEWS FOR BASEBALL FANS!!!
At tonights seventh game between the redsocks and yankees, the yankees have decided to empty the stadium during the seventh inning stretch and sell tickets for the remaining of the game. They have decided to do this because so many people who wanted to buy tickets but didn't get the arses in gear will be able to see part of the game.
Wooooooo Hooooo.
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Adding a second show doesn't mean they're dividing their set in half, with half a set for each show. It means they are performing two [2] complete shows in one night. The setlist may be identical for each show, or they may change it around. That's up to B&S.
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Originally posted by twangirl:
Adding a second show doesn't mean they're dividing their set in half, with half a set for each show. It means they are performing two [2] complete shows in one night. The setlist may be identical for each show, or they may change it around. That's up to B&S.
There's no way we will get the same "quality product" if they are doing two shows on the same night, and like I said earlier, I'll never buy advance tickets for a show at the 930 again....note to markie, Badly Drawn Boy is a no-no for sure now.
Having said that, it's really no biggie, if the show sucks it sucks, and life goes on. If the show starts too early for me to make it on time, then I just got ripped off $70 or whatever it was with the service fees.
Do the doors for the first show still open at 7:30pm as stated on my ticket?
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Mankie, I'm amazed anyone would go to a Badly Drawn Boy show a second time. it's terrible the club would even have him
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
Mankie, I'm amazed anyone would go to a Badly Drawn Boy show a second time. it's terrible the club would even have him
I've already seen him twice and thoroughly enjoyed both shows. I think he's a great musician and good entertainer. His 'thing' is to be disorganized like he was last time, re-starting songs a couple of times etc....if you want polished go see Britney/JT/N'syn etc.
Each to their own though.
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Originally posted by mankie:
There's no way we will get the same "quality product" if they are doing two shows on the same night
Why not?
If you sell cars to two customers in one day, does that mean that the customers get only half the service they would have received if you had only sold one?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
There's no way we will get the same "quality product" if they are doing two shows on the same night
Why not?
If you sell cars to two customers in one day, does that mean that the customers get only half the service they would have received if you had only sold one? [/b]
If I sell the same car twice, someone gets a used car!
930 is the salesman, B&S is the car..yours is a bad analogy.
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But B&S do a show the night before and the night after......
I am sure every show they perform is a unique experience all the same.
Sorry Mankie, I understand your annoyance to only a very limited extent.
I dont see why it would stop you coming to see BDB. Hell I could even pick up tickets for you if you want to avoid the service charge.....
You could count it as a bribe toward further help.....
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
There's no way we will get the same "quality product" if they are doing two shows on the same night
Why not?
If you sell cars to two customers in one day, does that mean that the customers get only half the service they would have received if you had only sold one? [/b]
If I sell the same car twice, someone gets a used car!
930 is the salesman, B&S is the car..yours is a bad analogy. [/b]
So B&S is playing a single show and then 9:30 is selling tickets to what? A "used" B&S show?
And you say my analogy is bad.......
B&S is providing two cars, an early one and a late one. 9:30 is selling both of them.
This really isn't a difficult concept.
Your complaint about moving the early show to a start time you may not be able to make is a valid concern. But this idea that it will only be half a show isn't.
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
But B&S do a show the night before and the night after......
I am sure every show they perform is a unique experience all the same.
Sorry Mankie, I understand your annoyance to only a very limited extent.
I dont see why it would stop you coming to see BDB. Hell I could even pick up tickets for you if you want to avoid the service charge.....
You could count it as a bribe toward further help.....
Had I known there was going to be two shows on the same night I wouldn't have bought tickets in the first place....that's my beef.
The BDB decision is just a personal boycott of the club until I calm down a bit...just like I won't be spending one penny in the club during the B&S show.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
There's no way we will get the same "quality product" if they are doing two shows on the same night
Why not?
If you sell cars to two customers in one day, does that mean that the customers get only half the service they would have received if you had only sold one? [/b]
If I sell the same car twice, someone gets a used car!
930 is the salesman, B&S is the car..yours is a bad analogy. [/b]
So B&S is playing a single show and then 9:30 is selling tickets to what? A "used" B&S show?
And you say my analogy is bad.......
B&S is providing two cars, an early one and a late one. 9:30 is selling both of them.
This really isn't a difficult concept.
Your complaint about moving the early show to a start time you may not be able to make is a valid concern. But this idea that it will only be half a show isn't. [/b]
Unless B&S are using two completely different set of band members for the two shows.....it's the same fucking car!
Let's try this in simple baseball terms for the benefit of my American friends......the pitcher for the Redsocks was left in for too long last night and so began to pitch inferior pitches towards the end of the game, and therefore allowed the yankees to win the game....HAD HE KNOWN he was going to be left in for as long as he was, I'm sure he would've saved some of his energy for the latter innings and therefore pitched a little inferior in ther earlier part of the game.
B&S are the pitcher, they now know they will be left in for a long time, so are bound to save some energy for the latter innings...OR....will pitch inferior pitches during the latter innings.
Had the pitcher had the option of cutting the earlier innings down to two outs instead of three knowing he was going to be in for the long-haul, I'm sure he would've....B&S have the option to cut short the earlier innings because there's no set rules for how long an "innings" has to be during a show...
Now do you understand?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Let's try this in simple baseball terms for the benefit of my American friends......the pitcher for the Redsocks was left in for two long last night and so began to pitch inferior pitches towards the end of the game, and therefore allowed the yankees to win the game....HAD HE KNOWN he was going to be left in for as long as he was, I'm sure he would've saved some of his energy for the latter innings and therefore pitched a little inferior in ther earlier part of the game.
B&S are the pitcher, they now know they will be left in for a long time, so are bound to save some energy for the latter innings...OR....will pitch inferior pitches during the latter innings.
Had the pitcher had the option of cutting the earlier innings down to two outs instead of three knowing he was going to be in for the long-haul, I'm sure he would've....B&S have the option to cut short the earlier innings because there's no set rules for how long an "innings" has to be during a show...
Now do you understand?
I hate baseball.
I understand your argument, but I don't think that B&S playing two shows is as physically demanding as a pitcher pitching nine innings instead of five. It's not like B&S is Andrew WK or something.
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this deja vu with a slightly different cast of character..
wasn't you who said buyer beware in response to the practice of other concert promoters who dropped ticket prices or began offering two for one tickets in the face of sagging ticket sales. this after the hardcore fans had ponied up for full price tickets.
loads of artists do two shows in the same night, this is nothing new. i'll bet tom jones does two shows most nights in vegas...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
this deja vu with a slightly different cast of character..
wasn't you who said buyer beware in response to the practice of other concert promoters who dropped ticket prices or began offering two for one tickets in the face of sagging ticket sales. this after the hardcore fans had ponied up for full price tickets.
loads of artists do two shows in the same night, this is nothing new. i'll bet tom jones does two shows most nights in vegas...
Kosmo......minor detail, am I demanding my money back? NO! I've already said it's no biggie, but I am disapointed in the club for
a) being dishonest if they knew there was a second show all along.
or
b) changing the arrangement of the show after it sold out and they got their money from us.
GGW, if you think performing on stage for an hour, especially the brass section, is not as pysically demanding as throwing a baseballs for a few minutes then taking a break while the other bloke does the same, you're mistaken.
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Originally posted by mankie:
GGW, if you think performing on stage for an hour, especially the brass section, is not as pysically demanding as throwing a baseballs for a few minutes then taking a break while the other bloke does the same, you're mistaken.
I'll trust you on that. You have much more experience blowing things for long periods of time.
:D
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
GGW, if you think performing on stage for an hour, especially the brass section, is not as pysically demanding as throwing a baseballs for a few minutes then taking a break while the other bloke does the same, you're mistaken.
I'll trust you on that. You have much more experience blowing things for long periods of time.
:D [/b]
And your experience is obviously rubbing your spit onto balls! :p
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redsocks?
can anyone give me a review (positive or negative) of a previous instance of the two shows in one night? of a real band, not from a (although awesome) movie?
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Seth, what gives? [/QB]
you're terminally unhappy?
the real reason I decided to go ahead and let them do another show that night (it was their idea) was so I could see just how ridiculous a thread could get
apparently it worked
I will be happy to refund your money, by the way, if you can't go to the show without driving yourself nuts
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Thanks Seth, that was great.
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
the real reason I decided to go ahead and let them do another show that night (it was their idea) was so I could see just how ridiculous a thread could get
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I like your sense of humour...decieve your customers to liven up the message board.
Have you ever sold cars? ;)
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Seth, what gives? [/b]
you're terminally unhappy?
the real reason I decided to go ahead and let them do another show that night (it was their idea) was so I could see just how ridiculous a thread could get
apparently it worked
I will be happy to refund your money, by the way, if you can't go to the show without driving yourself nuts [/QB]
hahaha, awesome. i really didn't blame the venue, i kinda have a problem when $30 a ticket bands do fan unfriendly stuff. that's all
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
fan unfriendly stuff. that's all
you are crazy.....They want more fans to be able to see them and you call that fan unfriendly. LOON!
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
fan unfriendly stuff. that's all
you are crazy.....They want more fans to be able to see them and you call that fan unfriendly. LOON! [/b]
I'd say they want double the money for a night's work......LOON X 2!!!!
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Originally posted by mankie:
]I'd say they want double the money for a night's work......LOON X 2!!!!
If you worked for 6 hours would you not want twice the amount of money or more than for working for three?
Loon X infinity
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Originally posted by The Pariah:
Originally posted by mankie:
]I'd say they want double the money for a night's work......LOON X 2!!!!
If you worked for 6 hours would you not want twice the amount of money or more than for working for three?
Loon X infinity [/b]
Would never happen, I'm on commission
Loon X infinity X 2
So they're doing two three hour shows are they?Doors open at 7:30, support band from 7:31 to 7:32, B&S from 7:32 till 10:32....shame the second lot will have to wait an extra two minutes before they let them in.
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How long was the B&S set when they played DAR?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
How long was the B&S set when they played DAR?
Don't know...I had to give my tickets up for that one too!!! :mad: (through no fault of the band or DAR)
Maybe that's why this double-dipping fiasco is bothering me so much.