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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Sage 703 on August 21, 2006, 06:53:00 pm
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I am so there. Who else?
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Nobody :roll:
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give me your extra ticket and i'll be there with you! :D
Originally posted by callat703:
I am so there. Who else?
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hahaha nobody is going because nobody got tickets.
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I wish I was going. There I said it.
Seriously, Sexy Back has been in my head for a week straight.
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Everyone tells my wife she looks like Cameron Diaz.
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still looking for a spare ticket!
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Everyone tells my wife she looks like Cameron Diaz.
Cameron Diaz has enormous clown feet. Does your wife? Because big feet = heh heh heh, if you know what I mean.
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would definitely like to go... anyone with spare tickets, let me know.
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wow, worst roll call ever...
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Originally posted by nkotb:
I wish I was going. There I said it.
Seriously, Sexy Back has been in my head for a week straight.
oh no you didn't!
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wow, worst roll call ever...
don't blame us, i'd love to be able to add a "me too".
this sale was not designed for forumers. in fact, it appears that it was made especially for scalpers to make big bucks (for those who care, see rants at bottom of this page (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013616;p=2).) one person suggest that it's JT that doesn't care.
... and to think he once told me he loved me... *sob*
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Oh yes I did. I can't help it, but I stop short of putting a pin-up of him on my wall. My office is another story.
Originally posted by walkonby:
Originally posted by nkotb:
I wish I was going. There I said it.
Seriously, Sexy Back has been in my head for a week straight.
oh no you didn't! [/b]
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
wow, worst roll call ever...
don't blame us, i'd love to be able to add a "me too".
this sale was not designed for forumers. in fact, it appears that it was made especially for scalpers to make big bucks (for those who care, see rants at bottom of this page (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013616;p=2).) one person suggest that it's JT that doesn't care.
... and to think he once told me he loved me... *sob* [/b]
how is a show "made" for scalpers? your average broker, despite what most people think, obtain tickets the EXACT same way everybody else does - by being on tickets.com or ticketmaster at 9:50 AM and refreshing.
the difference is, most brokers are better at pulling tickets because they do it every day. just like some of the forum members are better at bagging groceries, because hey, it's what they do every day (kidding, guys)
but seriously - everybody pisses and moans everytime a show sells out, because "scalpers scooped up all the tickets," as if scalpers have robots or computer programs to help them obtain 100 ro 150 tickets to a club show.
it doesn't work that way. if a broker wants to buy more tickets than the ticket limit, they have to go to a lot of trouble, which includes multiple credit cards, shipping addresses, billing addreses, tickets.com accounts, etc. and even then, nothing is guaranteed.
and even if professional brokers were somehow banned from even attempting to get tickets to a show like JT, do you REALLY think THAT many more common fans would obtain tickets, and actually use them?
c'mon. its all about supply and demand. and knowing how to get yourself through the buying process of ticketmaster and tickets.com
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Originally posted by chokeychicken:
Originally posted by sweetcell:
[qb] wow, worst roll call ever...
c'mon. its all about supply and demand. and knowing how to get yourself through the buying process of ticketmaster and tickets.com [/b]
I think the difference is that individual fans can only make single efforts to get tickets, whereas the ticket brokers often employ teams of multiple users to log on and get them. For a show with such demand as JT or SOAD, you'll have numberous brokers with a dozen employees logging on at exactly 10:00. Particularly with a club of 1,000 capacity, where a good percentage of those tickets will be held back for promos, the chances for one person to get tickets gets very small.
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Of course at its lowest level its about supply and demand, but if scalpers were not involved more fans would get tickets. The difference is the "professional broker" as you like to call them, are adding a middle man to a scenario that doesnt call for one. To stick with your grocery scenario, do you think its OK for "professional brokers" to buy all the milk at safeway and sell it outside for 5, 10, 20 times what safeway sold it to them for? Of course milk is a little more important then justin timberlake tickets, (to some perhaps) but pick the commodity, why is one price gouging, but the other acceptable practice? And we all are aware this topic has been debated ad nausem on this site, and your friendly forumites who are 100% capitalist will agree with you, but a "professional broker" IMHO is inserting themselves into a transaction they have no business being a part of.
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Of course it's gouging, unnecessary and shitty.
But people are willing to pay it, because the product is scarce. If there were a milk shortage, and I was selling gallon's out of my trunk for 5 times the cost, you bet people would be buying it.
If you want to stop scalping, stop paying the scalpers. Until that happens, it's just a fact of concert-going life.
Originally posted by saco:
Of course at its lowest level its about supply and demand, but if scalpers were not involved more fans would get tickets. The difference is the "professional broker" as you like to call them, are adding a middle man to a scenario that doesnt call for one. To stick with your grocery scenario, do you think its OK for "professional brokers" to buy all the milk at safeway and sell it outside for 5, 10, 20 times what safeway sold it to them for? Of course milk is a little more important then justin timberlake tickets, (to some perhaps) but pick the commodity, why is one price gouging, but the other acceptable practice? And we all are aware this topic has been debated ad nausem on this site, and your friendly forumites who are 100% capitalist will agree with you, but a "professional broker" IMHO is inserting themselves into a transaction they have no business being a part of.
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Shit....there's a milk shortage? I better get to the store. My little ones love their milkie at wakey wakey and bed time.
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I had a friend who was a ticket broker. He also ran a Ticketmaster outlet. He was most definitely not getting tickets "the EXACT same way everybody else does." At 10:00 AM he was printing out tickets like mad and keeping the best seats for himself for resale.
Online, scalpers use programs to circumvent the security codes, and its not hard to get around address and credit card restrictions.
And then there are the mom & pop scalpers who just buy extra tickets for popular shows so that they can hawk them on craigslist.
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I've got Vitamin D, Vitamin D here! Only $50 a pint!
Originally posted by who the fuck are you?:
Shit....there's a milk shortage? I better get to the store. My little ones love their milkie at wakey wakey and bed time.
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I would like to point out that soy milk is an option.
With the shit that corporate dairy farms put into their milk cows, it's best not to buy your milk from your local Giant or Safeway, anyway.
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If you want to stop scalping, stop paying the scalpers. Until that happens, it's just a fact of concert-going life.
well, there are things that ticket services and venue operators can do to limit scalping - which wasn't done this time. dunno if you were around for the foos show at 930, but scalping was definitely limited by bracelets and will-call.
STDs are also a fact of life, but there are things you can do to limit their impact and maximize your enjoyment of said life :)
I've got Vitamin D, Vitamin D here! Only $50 a pint!
is that street-lingo for something i'm not aware of? :)
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Originally posted by nkotb:
If there were a milk shortage, and I was selling gallon's out of my trunk for 5 times the cost, you bet people would be buying it.
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I hope your trunk has a refrigerator in it.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I had a friend who was a ticket broker. He also ran a Ticketmaster outlet. He was most definitely not getting tickets "the EXACT same way everybody else does." At 10:00 AM he was printing out tickets like mad and keeping the best seats for himself for resale.
Online, scalpers use programs to circumvent the security codes, and its not hard to get around address and credit card restrictions.
And then there are the mom & pop scalpers who just buy extra tickets for popular shows so that they can hawk them on craigslist.
Yup. And obviously, most of you guys did NOT see that ticket scalping article that appeared in Rolling Stone (I think it was around a year ago?) that talked about the fact that they have DEFINITE other methods of getting the tickets that aren't available to us honest, milk-drinking, law-abiding citizens. It sucks, and it really keeps getting worse. But I don't see anyone doing anything about it. Most of the people that are going to these damn Justin Timberlake shows are the ones feeding the scalpers' pockets in the first place.
And if the artist actually cared in this case, he probably would have assured some fan ticket presale or something of the sort. Which I'm assuming he didn't. I don't think JT really gives a flying fuck...at the end of the day, people are still buying his cds.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
And if the artist actually cared in this case, he probably would have assured some fan ticket presale or something of the sort. Which I'm assuming he didn't. I don't think JT really gives a flying fuck...at the end of the day, people are still buying his cds.
And we've all seen how well presales work. For shows this big tickets disappear in a fraction of a second, and half of those end up in the hands of scalpers anyway. I don't really blame them for not putting much time, effort or money into setting that up, just to hope 100-200 non-scalpers get tickets. It would be nice, but it's probably not worth the hassle for a handful of club shows. Besides - 99% of the people that wanted tickets still wouldn't be able to get them anyway.
As for JT himself, I'm sure he has better things to worry about than where a few hundred open-market tickets get distributed.
As much as it sucks for everyone that wanted to go, it really does just come down to supply and demand. However, I would be surprised if the show wasn't will-call only. Is that not the case?
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Online ticket search leads to bill, tug-of-war (http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/14278667p-15087485c.html)
By Judy Lin -- Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:01 am PDT Sunday, July 16, 2006
Story appeared on Page A1 of The Bee
What started as a staff effort to see an Eagles concert has led one state senator into the competitive and territorial world of ticket sales.
Last fall, Sen. Jim Battin and his staff mounted what they thought would be a surefire plan to nab tickets by working the phones and computers in his district office.
"Everybody was in their offices and we were all coordinated. I'm calling, I'm going online. And no one could get through," said Battin, R-Palm Desert.
Frustrated by his experience, Battin set out to write a bill that would improve the online ticket purchasing odds for members of the general public -- a constituency he views as disadvantaged by rising prices, technological changes and preferential treatment to season-ticket holders and corporate sponsors.
Battin introduced legislation seeking to ban "pinging" -- an electronic manipulation of online ticket sales orchestrated by hackers to capture as many tickets as possible so they can be resold at a profit.
Battin didn't anticipate his anti-scalping bill would become the focus of a vitriolic tug-of-war with venues, ticketing agencies, brokers and online auction sites all clamoring to maintain their share of the nation's $3.1 billion concert ticket industry, not to mention sporting events and theater performances.
Backed by Ticketmaster, the world's largest ticketing company, Senate Bill 1602 makes "pinging" punishable by up to a fine of $5,000 and six months in jail for the first violation, $10,000 for the second.
Ticketmaster representatives say the company doesn't have a problem with brokers or auction sites; it has a problem with hackers gobbling up seats and frustrating the company's customers.
"Computers have been able to get through our defenses in certain cases and acquire tickets. We devote a lot of time and energy and money to counteracting their ability to do this," said Ed Weiss, executive vice president and general counsel for Ticketmaster.
It's unclear, though, how widespread the "pinging" problem is right now.
Weiss said more companies are being forced to use electronic safeguards, such as CAPTCHA -- a test that requires ticket buyers to read a distorted image and type the letters, in order to filter out computers from humans and thwart the hackers. It's an acronym that stands for "Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart."
Even as companies try to protect themselves, hackers are constantly finding new ways to beat them, Ticketmaster officials say. Ticketmaster declined to say how much it spends on firewall protection, but the company noted that it drives up the cost of tickets.
"It's a never-ending battle and the stakes grow higher," said Kerry Samovar, senior vice president of policy for Ticketmaster.
But some in the cyber world question whether there is a problem. Pradeep Khosla, dean of engineering at Carnegie Mellon University and director of CyLab, which developed CAPTCHA, said that while it is possible for hackers to attack ticketing systems, a more likely scenario is that servers are being overloaded when tickets go on sale.
"It's like me calling you all the time so your phone will always be busy. But it doesn't mean you have picked up and I'm talking to you," Khosla said. "I think it could be happening, but my gut feeling is Ticketmaster is exaggerating."
Khosla said lawmakers should do their homework and get a better understanding of what's happening with new technology before drawing up legislation. For example, he noted that anti-spam legislation has done little to reduce junk ads.
Battin's bill doesn't stop at pinging. It makes it a misdemeanor for anyone who buys more than the ticket limit for a specific event -- sometimes as low as two tickets -- to resell the extras at a profit. The bill allows for fines up to $1,000 and six months in jail.
That has sent ticket resellers reeling.
Auction site eBay voiced concern that its customers wouldn't be able to sell Giants or Kings tickets online. And licensed ticket brokers said they would be put out of business.
"We want to avoid any legislation that would have a blanket impact on the secondary market," said eBay spokeswoman Catherine England.
Kurt Autenrieth, president of SC Tix Inc., likened West Hollywood-based Ticketmaster's moves to a "300-pound gorilla" trying to monopolize both primary and secondary ticket sales.
"The only entity on board with this legislation is Ticketmaster," said Autenrieth, an active member of the California Association of Ticketing Agencies -- a loose-knit group of brokers who successfully lobbied the state to legitimize the secondary ticketing industry in the 1980s.
Already the public has limited access to limited tickets because a portion of seats are held for VIPs, especially in cases of high-demand concerts such as Barbra Streisand and the Rolling Stones. Autenrieth estimates that California's 200 licensed ticket brokers sell a fraction of what's left.
"Never, never, never has there been a time when we have sold more than 5 percent of gross tickets for one event," Autenrieth said.
Regular concertgoers like Matthew Hargrove and his wife, Darcy, say that if they want a ticket, they have to use Ticketmaster.
Ticketmaster's owner, IAC/ InterActiveCorp, reported $245.7 million in revenues from its ticketing business, according to the company's most recent quarterly earnings. That's up 16 percent from the previous year.
Hargrove, 36, said he's gotten savvy about buying tickets online. He snagged front-row tickets to a Black Crowes concert for $20 on Ticketmaster.com the day before the concert.
"The worst time is when they go on sale," said the Sacramento resident. "We learned that four or five years ago trying to buy Neil Young tickets."
He theorizes that because venues, promoters and advertisers start out holding on to good seats, it takes time for any unused tickets to make their way to the general market.
Samovar of Ticketmaster didn't dispute that: "We offer the best available seat based on what tickets are released to Ticketmaster by its clients."
The measure, still pending in the Senate, has a long way to go to win approval before lawmakers adjourn next month. Battin says he's hoping to rewrite the bill in a way that will address the problem without disrupting the industry.
He ended up making the Eagles concert in the Coachella Valley after the Recording Industry Association of America gave him the tickets.
"I'm not carrying anybody's water on this," Battin said of his bill. "I just want consumers to be able to get those tickets."
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However, I would be surprised if the show wasn't will-call only. Is that not the case?
nope, not will-call only. no bracelets. no showing of receipts, names on tickets, or delayed ticket delivery. nuthin'.
the JT show is like any other: hard (and anonymous) tickets mailed out about 2 weeks before the show. NOTHING was done to prevent scalping, but as someone guessed it was probably at the artist's request (or pack thereof).
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Originally posted by saco:
Of course at its lowest level its about supply and demand, but if scalpers were not involved more fans would get tickets. The difference is the "professional broker" as you like to call them, are adding a middle man to a scenario that doesnt call for one. To stick with your grocery scenario, do you think its OK for "professional brokers" to buy all the milk at safeway and sell it outside for 5, 10, 20 times what safeway sold it to them for? Of course milk is a little more important then justin timberlake tickets, (to some perhaps) but pick the commodity, why is one price gouging, but the other acceptable practice? And we all are aware this topic has been debated ad nausem on this site, and your friendly forumites who are 100% capitalist will agree with you, but a "professional broker" IMHO is inserting themselves into a transaction they have no business being a part of.
so people who buy real estate on property they assume (or hope) will be desired greatly in the future...they're in the wrong too? or does that just not matter, because that's a "real job?"
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well I don't get it........he is not attractive in any way.
and his "music" sucks donkey balls (sweaty ones at that)
nkotb now that your married have all your standards dropped or what?
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I'm going :)
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In my opinion, someone who buys a home with the sole intent to turn around and sell it for 50K more than they paid without improving it at all, yes. Too many hard working people have been screwed out of buying homes because of the insane real estate prices, which has been partially caused by folks doing just that.
Greed is one of the seven deadly sins, thats my point. Whether its real estate or tickets or milk, selling something out of pure greed is wrong.
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Better after marriage than just before it, eh lulu? ;)
Originally posted by poorlulu:
nkotb now that your married have all your standards dropped or what?
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*ahem*
still looking for a ticket, good, kind, forumites!
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ticket? anyone? bueller?
i think i need to give up and make other plans. the amount of listings on craig's list is mindboggling, not to mention the prices are ridiculous. hell, i wouldn't even pay that much for u2, and i LOVE u2.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
dunno if you were around for the foos show at 930, but scalping was definitely limited by bracelets and will-call [/b]
You can't compare that to a regular show -- if that were the normal M.O. that the club had to go through, tickets would probably be as expensive as through a broker anyhow. Remember, there were NO tickets sold to that Foo show -- they were all won, so every person's name was on a list. Because of the complexity of the event, there was a very rigorous and resource-intensive process to get folks in legitimately.
PS, if I had to go through that for every show, I'd probably stop going to most.
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You can't compare that to a regular show -- if that were the normal M.O. that the club had to go through, tickets would probably be as expensive as through a broker anyhow.
uh, you missed my point... extra precautions aren't needd for most shows, so this doesn't need to be the usual M.O. - only for shows like JT, the foos, prince, etc. the idea is to limit scalping, only the "big" shows are scalpable.
Remember, there were NO tickets sold to that Foo show -- they were all won, so every person's name was on a list. Because of the complexity of the event, there was a very rigorous and resource-intensive process to get folks in legitimately.
we must be thinking of different shows, tickets were definitely sold to the last foos show at 930 (last fall). tickets were limited to 2 per order, i believe that when you picked up your bracelets you needed to put one one immediately. could be wrong about those details...
PS, if I had to go through that for every show, I'd probably stop going to most.
absolutely, way too much hassle. but i never said or intended to imply that all shows need the hassle, since us regular civilians can get tickets to those.
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so, I have to say, that this might have been one of the best shows I've ever seen period, and definitely one of the best at the 9:30 Club. Just incredible.
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i wholeheartedly agree. any and all naysayers would be completely silenced if they had seen that show. this album is going to be a monster hit.
anyone get the setlist?
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Originally posted by callat703:
so, I have to say, that this might have been one of the best shows I've ever seen period, and definitely one of the best at the 9:30 Club. Just incredible.
sure it is, for the processed, modern R&B sounds of today.
Me? I'll just throw on an Al Green record. Justin Timbalake will never, ever make important music.
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the show WAS really good. and every hot woman that has ever existed in DC was there, which didn't hurt.
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Originally posted by crowes654:
Originally posted by callat703:
so, I have to say, that this might have been one of the best shows I've ever seen period, and definitely one of the best at the 9:30 Club. Just incredible.
sure it is, for the processed, modern R&B sounds of today.
Me? I'll just throw on an Al Green record. Justin Timbalake will never, ever make important music. [/b]
Were you there?
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Were you there?
uh, guess who started this thread... check out post #1. zoinks.
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Originally posted by crowes654:
Justin Timbalake will never, ever make important music.
leave timbaland out of this.
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Is Justin still on smack?
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Were you there?
uh, guess who started this thread... check out post #1. zoinks. [/b]
Yeah, I know :) I started the thread. I was asking the Al Green fan if he/she was there.
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This is what comes to mind (http://b3ta.com/links/monkey_video_with_sound) every time I hear the word "Timberlake"
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