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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: kosmo vinyl on January 18, 2004, 06:35:00 pm
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ok isn't it getting a bit ridculous... self enforcement with loads of loopholes.
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Sunday, January 18, 2004; Page P01
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Threatening Spices
Prior to his departure from England, Robert R. Hegland of Falls Church looked at his bulging bags and asked a friend to mail him his excess luggage, including a few sealed bottles of dried herbs and spices, and one of whiskey.
Later the friend called: The U.K. post office wouldn't mail the package because a new FDA rule prohibits the mailing of any food or drink to the United States as of Dec. 12, unless the sender had filed "prior notice" with the U.S. agency and got permission.
It's part of a law to prevent bioterrorism. But surely, Hegland and CoGo agreed, the rule must be intended for importers, not a guy with a jar of spices.
Nope. The way the law is written, it allows no minimums and no exemption for personal use, says FDA spokeswoman Deborah Ralston. The only exception is for homemade food "made in the sender's personal residence." So, your granny in Switzerland can bake and send you cookies, but not if she made them at your aunt's house, unless she first gets FDA approval. You can apply online.
Approval must be sought no more than five days before the package is to arrive, and no less than two hours before arrival if the package is arriving by land, four if by air, or eight if by sea. Another 25 pages of details are at www.fda.gov.But (http://www.fda.gov.But) no one at the agency could answer CoGo's questions:
• Can you trust a terrorist sending bioterrorist agents in food to honestly self-report?
• If a terrorist were refused permission to mail, say, anthrax in powdered sugar, couldn't he just mail anthrax in baby powder?
• Will baklava be treated with more suspicion than, say, baguettes?
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23347-2004Jan16.html)
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And wouldn't they tend to make or mix it in their home, of sorts? :roll:
Gives a whole new meaning to foods such as 'killer chili' or 'killer brownies'.
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On a related note, After America announced it will fingerprint and photograph all foriegners entering the USA, Brazil announced it will fingerprint and Photograph all Americans entering their country...That's classic, and I wish the rest of the world would do the same.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Brazil announced it will fingerprint and Photograph all Americans entering their country...That's classic, and I wish the rest of the world would do the same.
the tourism industry in Brazil, and especially Rio is really pissed off about it, and have people waiting at the airport to apologize
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by mankie:
Brazil announced it will fingerprint and Photograph all Americans entering their country...That's classic, and I wish the rest of the world would do the same.
the tourism industry in Brazil, and especially Rio is really pissed off about it, and have people waiting at the airport to apologize [/b]
Are there any doodles at US airports apologizing for the US policy?
NO, I didn't think so.
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:( I thought this thread was going to be about the resurgence of the Spice Girls, led by their newest groupmate, Terrorist Spice.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Are there any doodles at US airports apologizing for the US policy?
NO, I didn't think so.
I am not agreeing with the policy in the US, or upset about what Brazil is doing personally, I just think that it is misguided policy for Brazil
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F#$k Brazil!!!!!!!!!!!! Who gives a rat's ass if they're pissed. They can do blood tests, urine tests, whatever......I dont plan on ever going there.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
F#$k Brazil!!!!!!!!!!!! Who gives a rat's ass if they're pissed. They can do blood tests, urine tests, whatever......I dont plan on ever going there.
well then you are missing out
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Originally posted by mankie:
Are there any doodles at US airports apologizing for the US policy?
NO, I didn't think so.
The US fingerprinting is electronic and takes 15 seconds. The Brazilian fingerprinting is done with ink and takes 2 plus hours.
Hey Wankie, why aren't you harping on why the Japanese haven't apologized yet for the rape of Nanking?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by mankie:
Are there any doodles at US airports apologizing for the US policy?
NO, I didn't think so.
The US fingerprinting is electronic and takes 15 seconds. The Brazilian fingerprinting is done with ink and takes 2 plus hours.
Hey Wankie, why aren't you harping on why the Japanese haven't apologized yet for the rape of Nanking? [/b]
Or the doodles for that little Enola Gay incident with Japan?..not sure what Nanking has to do with fingerprinting though.
It's not worth trying to explain why we have this attitude :roll: towards America and it's self-centered policies, because you are, for the most part, too self-centered and arrogant to understand.
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The lime-suckers need never apologize to Eire for Oliver Cromwell, then?
"self-centered and arrogant" is the very model of a modern Major-General
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
The lime-suckers need never apologize to Eire for Oliver Cromwell, then?
Not as long as America is funding the Irish Republican Army...you know, those "terrorists" that America is so in favour of ridding the world of.
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Did the Jocks ever apologize?
The Scots invasion, 1315
Scottish warriors By the time that Edward Bruce arrived in 1315, there was an entrenched English colony in eastern Ireland. But the native Irish kings and much of their way of life had managed to hold on in the centre and west of the country - taking advantage of the chaos of English politics in the middle of the 12th century.
So there was reason for the Bruces to hope that their clarion call to revolt would be heard loud and clear, and that oppressed Ireland would rush to their banner to evict the imperial conquerors, much as they had done in Scotland.
Together the Gaelic brothers would rid Caledonia and Hibernia of the English scourge. And the two Bruces - Robert in Edinburgh and a King Edward in Dublin would rule the Irish Sea.
This is not what happened. And perhaps it served them right. For all their ringing national rhetoric, some of it undoubtedly sincere, Robert and Edward Bruce were transparently using Ireland to force the English to divert resources away from Scotland to this second front, and to make them accept their claim to the crown in Scotland.
That, in the end, they didn't give two hoots about Ireland was obvious when, in return for the English government (now in the hands of Queen Isabella and the Lord Mortimer) recognising the independence of Scotland, King Robert promised that he would never aid any rebellion against the English in Ireland. So much for the Gaelic brotherhood of nations!
'Together the Gaelic brothers would rid Caledonia and Hibernia of the English scourge.'
And perhaps you could have forecast this from what actually happened once Edward Bruce's campaign got under way. For it proceeded with the usual indiscriminate slaughters and burnings - without making any nice distinctions between Gaelic friends and English foes.
Perhaps things might have been different had not the years of the Scottish campaigns also been those of the worst famine in medieval history; so that there was nothing for the Scots soldiers to eat unless they took from the Irish. Which they did.
And even then they were reduced to such desperate straits, that it was said by one chronicler that the Scots soldiers dug up freshly made graves to eat the corpses. It was the usual story: a victory over the Ulster English; then a march down towards Dublin.
There the inhabitants tore down churches to use the stones to reinforce their walls. So they evidently were far from seeing the Scots as liberators. The city was never taken.
Then at an immense and bloody battle between opposed Irish camps in the west, where 10,000 men were said to have lost their lives, the pro-Scots side came off worst. In 1318 Edward Bruce was himself was killed in battle at Fochart, and by the end of the year the Scots were gone
NO! They just failed...
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Ah, I see...this "funding the IRA" was all happening in back 1658?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Ah, I see...this "funding the IRA" was all happening in back 1658?
No, but the Imperial kingdom of the new America is ridding the world of terrorism today...unless it's Irish terrorism evidently.
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Originally posted by mankie:
On a related note, After America announced it will fingerprint and photograph all foriegners entering the USA, Brazil announced it will fingerprint and Photograph all Americans entering their country...That's classic, and I wish the rest of the world would do the same.
It's hardly "all" foreigners. Those from 28 nations with decent passport security (mostly European nations), are exempt. I would guess these countries account for a substantial portion of visitors to the U.S.
If the Brazilians did a little more to stop the fairly common occurrence of falsified Brazilian papers, they too could be exempt.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
On a related note, After America announced it will fingerprint and photograph all foriegners entering the USA, Brazil announced it will fingerprint and Photograph all Americans entering their country...That's classic, and I wish the rest of the world would do the same.
It's hardly "all" foreigners. Those from 28 nations with decent passport security (mostly European nations), are exempt. I would guess these countries account for a substantial portion of visitors to the U.S.
If the Brazilians did a little more to stop the fairly common occurrence of falsified Brazilian papers, they too could be exempt. [/b]
I got the story from NBC and they definately said, "all foriegners"...don't tell me that NBC got the facts wrong!
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[/qb][/QUOTE]Or the doodles for that little Enola Gay incident with Japan[/QB][/QUOTE]
Yeah and they havent bombed Pearl Harbor since have they?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Or the doodles for that little Enola Gay incident with Japan[/QB][/QUOTE]
Yeah and they havent bombed Pearl Harbor since have they? [/QB][/QUOTE]
The only needed to do it the one time because they got you good didn't they?
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Originally posted by mankie:
I got the story from NBC and they definately said, "all foriegners"...don't tell me that NBC got the facts wrong!
Exemptions were granted for people that don't need a visa to get into the U.S. (Canada, Mexico, ?) and those countries who have machine scannable passports and fraud levels under 3% (mainly the Europeans). Brazil has more than double the fraud limit.
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Originally posted by mankie:
The only needed to do it the one time because they got you good didn't they? [/QB]
Yup, but we got them even better after that.......Twice :D
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Ah, I see...this "funding the IRA" was all happening in back 1658?
No, but the Imperial kingdom of the new America is ridding the world of terrorism today...unless it's Irish terrorism evidently. [/b]
Is there an echo (http://www.islamonline.net/English/ArtCulture/2001/10/article4.shtml) in here..?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by mankie:
The only needed to do it the one time because they got you good didn't they? [/b]
Yup, but we got them even better after that.......Twice :D [/QB]
But they sure can buld better cars than you lot....for less!
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Would you be any more pleased if there were? Are you ever pleased?
Originally posted by mankie:
Are there any doodles at US airports apologizing for the US policy?
NO, I didn't think so.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Would you be any more pleased if there were? Are you ever pleased?
Originally posted by mankie:
Are there any doodles at US airports apologizing for the US policy?
NO, I didn't think so.
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I have two passports so it doesn't bother/effect me in the slightest....I was just playing devils advocate.
Not that it would happen anyway, when have you ever heard a doodle apologize for ANYTHING?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Not that it would happen anyway, when have you ever heard a doodle apologize for ANYTHING?
I'm sorry.
Sorry you haven't moved to Ireland yet.
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Right....
Originally posted by mankie:
it doesn't bother/effect me in the slightest....
I'm sorry you have to live here.
when have you ever heard a doodle apologize for ANYTHING?
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Since we made a similar joke, clearly this is a case of "doodle humor".
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Sorry you haven't moved to Ireland yet.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Since we made a similar joke, clearly this is a case of "doodle humor".
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