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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: markie on January 20, 2004, 12:34:00 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1126020,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1126020,00.html)
He sounds just like Anton........
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Or maybe Pollard?
I'm ashamed to say I don't have any Fall. Is there an album or two I should get, or have a better armed friend make a mix of great songs?
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some albums are great some are painful.
I recommend:
Seminal Live
The Frenz Experiment
The early years
The early years is amazing. I can furnish you with whatever you wish.
Were the smiths really named after Mark E?
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I recommend highly "The wonderful and frightening world...", "This Nations Saving Grace" or "I am Kurious Oranj". Brix and Craig together on guitars are my favorite albums.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
He sounds just like Anton........
Mark E Smith imitates no one. If anything Anton sounds like Mark.
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Were the smiths really named after Mark E?
Well what I want to know is this: Was James really named after James Kirk, the guitarist of Orange Juice? (Supposedly they were)
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
some albums are great some are painful.
The early years is amazing. I can furnish you with whatever you wish.
I just may have to take you up on that...
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Originally posted by Bags:
I just may have to take you up on that... [/QB][/QUOTE]
sure thing. I will burn you a cd, MP3s, right? Anything else you want?
Are you going to gomez or starsailor? I recommend gomez.
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MP3s are great.
There's lots I want to hear...a lot of your big recommendations these days I don't have -- Cinerama, Libertines, Doves -- I don't have any of the stuff y'all were talking with DJ Trickster about.
I'm missing Gomez, though I know you highly recommended it -- my concert posse are hitting Velvet for Washington Social Club (I think they'll be playing too late for me on a school night, since I see them about once a month...), and Thursday may be my only night to do some stuff before I head out of town for five days.
And Starsailor is the night of tooms' going away party. He moves to NYC :( -- I changed my flight to Telluride to make this damn party, so I'm gonna be there!
Maybe if Gomez goes on at a pretty reasonable time I'll stop by...
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Do you have the ability to read/watch DVDs? If so I can put a whole load of stuff on one disk....... If not, well, you will probably get less.
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pitchfork likey the new cd
The Fall
The Real New Fall L.P. (Formerly 'Country on the Click')
[Action; 2003]
Rating: 7.9
There's a 1987 interview with The Fall where everyone's favorite repellently preening pest and poet Mark E. Smith is asked to give his Ins and Outs. (A small sample: Ins - Ultra-flash black people, Asian pop groups, and James Cain; Outs - Scotch pop groups featuring pseudo-intellectuals, the Iraq war, and Eddie Murphy.) When read again 16 years later, the underlying moral is this: Mark E. Smith was always right, and always will be. His image is right. His politics are right. His precipitously craggy face is right. More fundamentally, his rampageous, begrudgingly musical wreckage is right. Lord knows his indignant, dragooning rigmarole is about as necessary to rock 'n' roll as Elvis and felonies. Sure, he's released enough mediocre-to-awful albums to sustain entire countries, but one gets the curious sense that at some point in the future (say 20 years), it'll turn out that Smith was right yet again, and we just weren't clever enough to acknowledge it.
This is probably a bit of a quandary for Smith. Oh, of course writhing masses of pinheads and blockheads still tirelessly berate The Fall (often with good reason), but, for the last decade, even the insults are now termed in the same way you insult Dylan or Leonard Cohen. Much to the chagrin of everyone involved, Smith has become the primordial prophet. He has nowhere left to go, nothing left to see. The faithful may still cling to decayed compilations in certain Yahoo! chatrooms, but there's nary a shred of anticipation to be found.
More bad news: The Real New Fall LP is as valuable an album as anything The Fall ever released in the 1990s, and Smith's vocals and lyrics have been reinvigorated since his work with the listless line-up on Are You Are Missing Winner. To get our parameters set, there are hardly any rockabilly brambles, trivial dub jumbles, or any other excursions into the myriad genres The Fall helped cultivate. But then, if you listen to The Fall for diversity, you're missing the point.
Like always, enjoyment of The Fall is directly proportional to one's tolerance of whatever sludge, flare-up or balderdash is repeated ad nauseum for a song's entirety. A reviewer's Aristotelian notions of what constitutes aesthetic truth are emptied in a blink of one of the yawping brutalities on this album. On "Theme from Sparta F.C.", Smith may shout, "I don't have a jack knife," but clearly no one told the guitars. Elsewhere, "Contraflow" slides shackled, trodden quagmires between verses. The riffs are barbed and boiled, flaunting menace, flouting melody, and about to topple off of Smith's face. Towards the end of "Last Commands of Xyralothep via M.E.S.", the guitars are at such an unbearable pitch that the production sounds like literally rocking the needle off its groove. Any subtle departures from the typical Fall sound are on the hushed folk-rock on "Janet, Johnny + James" or the deceased, out-of-key back-up vocals on "Mike's Love Xexagon".
Smith's lyrics are at a near career-best of insolence and nonsense. They're brilliant if you wrangle an understanding, and even more so if you can't. By the second song, he's already gone fishing, fled a pet cemetery, and successfully shoved anarchy onto the desk of a jingoistic Dolly Parton-Lord Byron alliance. On "The Past #2", he finally liquidates the concepts of time and truth themselves. There's an entire song committed to portraying Brian Wilson as a furtive despot and Mike Love as Christ, and on the Lee Hazlewood-written "Loop41 'Houston", he keeps inadvertently slurring "Houston" into "sedition."
It's their best album since 1996's Light User Syndrome, which may seem like faint praise until we recall that The Fall have released enough records to bankrupt entire record store chains. (It's also notable because 2000's The Unutterable was perilously close to greatness as well.) The Fall have been defrosted yet again, and there should be rejoicing in the streets. They're as brittle, volatile and consistently riveting as any band out there, and even though no one could possibly take Smith seriously anymore, it insinuates that there's still enough justification here to warrant following The Fall's devious discography into one more decade.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Were the smiths really named after Mark E?
No.
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Yup....also, do you have British Sea Power? Wondering if I should catch that show.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Do you have the ability to read/watch DVDs? If so I can put a whole load of stuff on one disk....... If not, well, you will probably get less.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Yup....also, do you have British Sea Power? Wondering if I should catch that show.
They put on a great show.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Yup....also, do you have British Sea Power? Wondering if I should catch that show.
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Yes......
And the show I saw was great. I recommend going.....
I will be going. I dont think I will have time to rip tonight..... So I will make a giant dvd for you over the weekend. I can post it or we can meet up sometime......
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Were the smiths really named after Mark E?
No. [/b]
How can you be so sure?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Were the smiths really named after Mark E?
No. [/b]
How can you be so sure? [/b]
The explanation for the band name is in the book, "The Severed Alliance" if you remember...I don't remember exactly word for word, but to paraphrase, their intent was to become an English pop band doing 2 1/2 minute pop songs etc.....the most common name in England is "Smith" so Moz and Marr first decided on "Smithdom" but later decided on "The Smiths" because it sounded so English.
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I'm fairly sure I won't make Gomez. We'll meet up at sometime soon. And I have to figure what I can pass on to you (though it's hard to imagine I have anything that you don't...)
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Bags:
Yup....also, do you have British Sea Power? Wondering if I should catch that show.
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Yes......
And the show I saw was great. I recommend going.....
I will be going. I dont think I will have time to rip tonight..... So I will make a giant dvd for you over the weekend. I can post it or we can meet up sometime...... [/b][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Bags:
[QB] (though it's hard to imagine I have anything that you don't...)
I think that was a cue for a HUR HUR HUR.........
I can come and meet you on the bridge sometime if you like.
And Mankie, that explanation always seemed really lame to me. I prefer the Mark E Myth.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Bags:
[QB] (though it's hard to imagine I have anything that you don't...)
I think that was a cue for a HUR HUR HUR.........
I can come and meet you on the bridge sometime if you like.
And Mankie, that explanation always seemed really lame to me. I prefer the Mark E Myth. [/b]
Moz would never name his band after a paki hater...okay, Moz might, but Marr definately not!
Seriously, do you think Moz would name his band after another human being? You know he's the center of the universe.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Moz would never name his band after a paki hater...okay, Moz might, but Marr definately not!
"well life is hard enough when you belong here, so shelve your Western plans"........ I always put that down to naivety. But I dont think Moz was nearly as bad in 1984, all those rejection letters from NME must have brought him down a peg or two.
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markie, your PM mailbox is full (you popular guy...). PM me and we'll talk.
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Originally posted by Bags:
PM me and we'll talk.
Ding ding DING!
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But I can't PM you back, dude! May mean giving me a...a real email address?!?! I wanna send you my tunes list. And you're right, I spend WAY too much money on music so will happily buy what I like. I just have to be careful about going with word of mouth, I've been burned so many times.
[Speaking of, where do folks think you get the most cash or credit for your used CDs? I have a few I listened to once and am ready to 'chuck'.]
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Originally posted by Bags:
[Speaking of, where do folks think you get the most cash or credit for your used CDs? I have a few I listened to once and am ready to 'chuck'.]
ebay?
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What are you getting rid of?
You can email me here if PMing is still causing woe.
markie@bigyawn.net
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Originally posted by mankie:
ebay?
You are right. Newer releases often make quite a lot of their money back, plus you can gouge say $3.50 for S&H when it only costs $1.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
What are you getting rid of?
Cursive. Hated it. There's more, but that's the most glaring example...
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
What are you getting rid of?
Cursive. Hated it. There's more, but that's the most glaring example... [/b]
Ugh. I hate that one too.