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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on June 21, 2005, 08:45:00 am
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0506210240jun21,1,5197990.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0506210240jun21,1,5197990.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed)
:eek:
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it makes sense really. if you are in a very successful band but your genre of music has run its course, just break up, pretend to do some solo stuff, and then BAM....reunite and tour!
you can go from an old band that wont die (Better Than Ezra) to a reuniting supergroup (the Pixies) in like 5 years, without recording any new music or doing really anything but getting fat!
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Easily the best news of my year.
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Too bad they cant reunite as a 1992 version of themselves.
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Originally posted by callat703:
Easily the best news of my decade.
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Here's the direct link to the ad, in case the tribune's website is being funny for anyone interested.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2005-06/18118271.pdf (http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2005-06/18118271.pdf)
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this rat prefers to out of the cage thank you very much....
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Mellon Collie sold 4.7 million copies? Are you kidding me? Jeez, I didn't realize they did that well. No wonder why Billy wants the Pumpkins back. My favorite time seeing them was still at the Metro in Chicago in 1993, the week that Siamese Dream was released. It just didn't get much better than that.
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There was a recent interview with Crogan in RS where he said that he didn't see much hope for a SP reunion. That was maybe two issues ago.
Pardon my cynical attitude, but perhaps CD/ticket sales in some markets have been lagging? Perhaps this is something to help boost sales? I dunno...
Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge fan of grunge. PJ, AiC, Soundgarden, and others of their ilk still get rotation in my CD player. But give it up guys - the music has had it's day. Time to move along. Otherwise we'll be seeing Smashing Pumpkins at Jaxx. ;)
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Despite all my wealth, I am still just an ugly rat.
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yeah, its kinda pathetic actually, a bit like calling people by their screen names in real life
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
it makes sense really. if you are in a very successful band but your genre of music has run its course, just break up, pretend to do some solo stuff, and then BAM....reunite and tour!
you can go from an old band that wont die (Better Than Ezra) to a reuniting supergroup (the Pixies) in like 5 years, without recording any new music or doing really anything but getting fat!
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
There was a recent interview with Crogan in RS where he said that he didn't see much hope for a SP reunion. That was maybe two issues ago.
Pardon my cynical attitude, but perhaps CD/ticket sales in some markets have been lagging? Perhaps this is something to help boost sales? I dunno...
Corgan said "not all four original Pumpkins" almost definitely an allusion to the fact D'arcy is off in cocaine land.
Tickets have sold out for every American show, I'm pretty sure. CD sales will be awful, though, I'm sure.
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Originally posted by brennser:
yeah, its kinda pathetic actually, a bit like calling people by their screen names in real life
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I can understand some of the cynicism about this, but if Billy Corgan wanted to be marketable and really worry about his album sales, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have released albums like Adore, or put out MACHINA II exclusively on the internet.
And as far as being stuck in grunge land, I personally never really saw the Pumpkins as a grunge band - to me they were much more in the vein of the Cure than the Pixies or Dinosaur.
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never mind, wasn't directed at you sonick
but it is pathetic that he's reuniting (trying to at least) smashing pumpkins in the notion that it will somehow recharge his creative batteries
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by brennser:
yeah, its kinda pathetic actually, a bit like calling people by their screen names in real life
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Ever heard Gish?
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I'll definitely give you Gish as the exception. But after that the band definitely started moving away from that type of rock; you don't find anywhere near as much grunge on any of the other records.
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I never cared much for anything they did after Siamese Dream.
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me too
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
I never cared much for anything they did after Siamese Dream.
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In fact, D'arcy's cocaine drama is the most interesting thing any of them have done since then.
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Fair enough. But there were plenty of people that remained interested after Siamese Dream. I think the case could be made the Adore is the most interesting Smashing Pumpkins album.
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Any further details on that? I didn't realize that D'Arcy was into la cocaina. Doesn't surprise me in the least. Has she been arrested or anything like that?
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Originally posted by bearman:
Any further details on that? I didn't realize that D'Arcy was into la cocaina. Doesn't surprise me in the least. Has she been arrested or anything like that?
D'arcy's coke addiction was evident during the 1999 Arising! club tour, she looked awful, and that's commonly listed as the reason she left the band in October of that year. She has since been arrested for it once. She's virtually disappeared since then.
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That's too bad...poor gal.
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Originally posted by bearman:
Mellon Collie sold 4.7 million copies? Are you kidding me? Jeez, I didn't realize they did that well.
usually when they count CD sales they count the INDIVIDUAL CD, so if a double album sells 2 million copies, it gets credit for 4 million ... i'm guessing that's the case here ...
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ao a 10 album box set that sell 100K boxes is really a million seller?
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by bearman:
Mellon Collie sold 4.7 million copies? Are you kidding me? Jeez, I didn't realize they did that well.
usually when they count CD sales they count the INDIVIDUAL CD, so if a double album sells 2 million copies, it gets credit for 4 million ... i'm guessing that's the case here ... [/b]
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
usually when they count CD sales they count the INDIVIDUAL CD, so if a double album sells 2 million copies, it gets credit for 4 million ... i'm guessing that's the case here ...
Actually you're half-right; they do count for two, but I don't believe the author counted them as such. I know I have seen MCIS' 8x and 9x platinum record awards, so I guess the real figure is 9.4 million?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
ao a 10 album box set that sell 100K boxes is really a million seller?
Actually, I believe so. Also, there are different sales levels for boxsets, I believe.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
D'arcy's coke addiction was evident
not that it matters, but i believe it was crack she was caught with.
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too soon..
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And an ep that sells 100,000 is really a 50K seller?
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
ao a 10 album box set that sell 100K boxes is really a million seller?
Actually, I believe so. Also, there are different sales levels for boxsets, I believe. [/b]
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
ao a 10 album box set that sell 100K boxes is really a million seller?
Actually, I believe so. Also, there are different sales levels for boxsets, I believe. [/b]
i dont think so. i believe the sales levels are the same. and each unit in the box set does count as one unit towards certification.
so yes, if you had a 10 disc box set and sold 100,000 copies, you would have a platinum box set.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
And an ep that sells 100,000 is really a 50K seller?
*sigh*
an EP is an ep, as long as its 30 minutes or something, 500,000 copies takes it gold. and it has to have between 3-6 songs.
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What if Interpol plays a 40 min set? Does that count as a half-show?
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
And an ep that sells 100,000 is really a 50K seller?
*sigh*
an EP is an ep, as long as its 30 minutes or something, 500,000 copies takes it gold. and it has to have between 3-6 songs. [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
What if Interpol plays a 40 min set? Does that count as a half-show?
depends on who you ask :)
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
ao a 10 album box set that sell 100K boxes is really a million seller?
and a 100,000 disc box set that sells 10 copies is really a million seller!!
isn't math fun?!
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
What if Interpol plays a 40 min set? Does that count as a half-show?
What if you review a Broken Social Scene show but you never attended it? Does that count as no review?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
ao a 10 album box set that sell 100K boxes is really a million seller?
and a 100,000 disc box set that sells 10 copies is really a million seller!!
isn't math fun?! [/b]
if you had one 5-disc box set that was selling 3,500 copies (sets) a week, and you had a double-disc greatest hits that was selling 5,000 copies a week.
now, if they were released on the same day. how many days sooner would the box set go platinum?
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
What if Interpol plays a 40 min set? Does that count as a half-show?
What if you review a Broken Social Scene show but you never attended it? Does that count as no review? [/b]
BURN!!
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
What if Interpol plays a 40 min set? Does that count as a half-show?
What if you review a Broken Social Scene show but you never attended it? Does that count as no review? [/b]
can we get a "Post of the Week" on this one?
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Goos thing I only post on the 9:30 board, and don't write for an esteemed resource like BigYawn.net
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
What if Interpol plays a 40 min set? Does that count as a half-show?
What if you review a Broken Social Scene show but you never attended it? Does that count as no review? [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Goos thing I only post on the 9:30 board, and don't write for an esteemed resource like BigYawn.net
Yeah, you'd never survive that damn rule we have that our reviewers have to listen to the albums before writing their reviews. We're sellouts like that, I guess.
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Or the second rule, to have reviewers so young that they consider Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer to be the most amazing bands ever to grace the earth.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Goos thing I only post on the 9:30 board, and don't write for an esteemed resource like BigYawn.net
Yeah, you'd never survive that damn rule we have that our reviewers have to listen to the albums before writing their reviews. We're sellouts like that, I guess. [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Or the second rule, to have reviewers so young that they consider Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer to be the most amazing bands ever to
I refuse to give serious consideration to insults against my musical tastes from a known Old 97's fan.
(Weezer? Huh?)
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Originally posted by brennser:
me too
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
I never cared much for anything they did after Siamese Dream.
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Taken as a whole I agree, however, I could make one hell of an album if I were allowed to make "Mellon Collie" a one disc album instead the two disc bloated egotistical mess that Billy made it.
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And rule #3 (see excerpt below) Make sure your review waffles between writing in the third person and writing in the first person. That way, you can confuse the readers without having to refer to obscure references the way pitchdork does.
Also, the quirky lyrics -- accentuated by Darnielle's shrill tone -- are nearly laughable, but the problem is, I'm not sure I should be laughing. On "Broom People," when the singer proclaims, "I am a babbling brook!" I find it difficult to regard the line as a powerful metaphor, but rather consider it to be really lame.
Love Love Love" is a standout near the album's end. Amid strumming and ambient organ notes, Darnielle sings in a more-easier-on-the-ears softer tone:
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Or the second rule, to have reviewers so young that they consider Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer to be the most amazing bands ever to
I refuse to give serious consideration to insults against my musical tastes from a known Old 97's fan.
(Weezer? Huh?) [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
And rule #3 (see excerpt below) Make sure your review waffles between writing in the third person and writing in the first person. That way, you can confuse the readers without having to refer to obscure references the way pitchdork does.
Also, the quirky lyrics -- accentuated by Darnielle's shrill tone -- are nearly laughable, but the problem is, I'm not sure I should be laughing. On "Broom People," when the singer proclaims, "I am a babbling brook!" I find it difficult to regard the line as a powerful metaphor, but rather consider it to be really lame.
Love Love Love" is a standout near the album's end. Amid strumming and ambient organ notes, Darnielle sings in a more-easier-on-the-ears softer tone:
You know, we had someone complain about a review a week ago, and they went about it the most bizarre way I'd ever seen; they posted on bigyawn's message board, then sent the reviewer an email with the link to it. I don't know what their problem was - flaunting society's conventions like that.
And for the record, I didn't write the above review...
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all this hatred that Rhett harbours for BigYawn is surely an intense form of jealousy. someone should just hire him on so he stops complaining about it so much! the poor chap.
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Hey did anybody go see Jimmy Chamberlain at DC9 a few weeks back? What was that all about? How/what was it?
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Originally posted by chancegardener:
Hey did anybody go see Jimmy Chamberlain at DC9 a few weeks back? What was that all about? How/what was it?
I didn't see it, but from reviews I've read of other shows on the tour, you can pretty much just play the album and you can say you've experienced the show. They have no other material apparently.
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The ad:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2005-06/18118271.pdf (http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2005-06/18118271.pdf)
Can you say "pretentious"
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Yeah; but at the same time, he's a pretty sizable Chicago figure, and people love him there.
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Sounds like someone has an 8 million dollar mortgage to pay off.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Sounds like someone has an 8 million dollar mortgage to pay off.
i thought it was like 11million?
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You're both wrong. It was a paltry $6.8mn.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
You're both wrong. It was a paltry $6.8mn.
the $6 million man?
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Depending on the mortgage rates, either of us could be closer to the true amount that the Rat is paying out.
Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
You're both wrong. It was a paltry $6.8mn.
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I think I recall him selling his old place (the purple Victorian by Wrigley Field) for well over 4 million, so I doubt unless he's a complete idiot he has alot left on his mortgage for the new place.
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BILLY CORGAN Storms Off Stage After Audience Yells For SMASHING PUMPKINS Songs - July 27, 2005
Australia's Undercover News is reporting that former SMASHING PUMPKINS frontman Billy Corgan threw a fit during his performance in Melbourne and stormed off stage after the audience yelled for SMASHING PUMPKINS songs.
One fan who who was at the show told Undecover News that at one stage when an audience member yelled "play some PUMPKINS," Corgan snapped back "Can I live my life for today?"
At another time, someone yelled, "We want rock", and Corgan told him to ask for his money back, the fan said.
Towards the end of the show, after another call for more "PUMPKINS," Corgan is said to have said "Fuck this," put his mic down and walked off.
Corgan plays Sydney Wednesday night (July 27) and finishes his Australian tour Friday night in Brisbane.
Link (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=39781)
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anyone read corgan's hilarious rant on zwan/"indie" folks in paste? here it is, and it's fucking entertaining.
â??They proved me right, which is that the whole indie thing is just a pose. I canâ??t say that about everybody, but our general feeling in the Pumpkins always was that people took the indie route because deep down they knew they didnâ??t have the talent to make it on the mainstream level. And those people proved to me, that deep down they know they donâ??t have the talent, or the focus, or the true love of people to want to really get out there and try and connect with people. Itâ??s really about them. And fundamentally Jimmy and I disagreed with them.
â??If youâ??re going to play music at a high level to a large audience, it canâ??t really be about you. You have to make it seem like itâ??s about you, but it has to really be about others, itâ??s really about sharing. And their indie-cred mentality really is about, â??Whatâ??s it got to do with me?â?? and â??Can I find people who agree with me, who think like me, who dress like me, smoke pot like me?â?? Theyâ??re just assholes. Itâ??s simple. I could go on with a thousand stories, but you can put that in big capital letters: THEYâ??RE JUST ASSHOLES. They really didnâ??t care. They didnâ??t really care about the music, they didnâ??t really care about the fans â?¦ They really just want to live like pieces of shit and live their little weird creepy lives. End of story.â?ť
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I really like some of the Pumpkins' music, but Billy Corgan is a twat. Being from Chicago and having met him on several occasions, I can say that. He hangs out with Courtney Love. Need I say more??
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I know I probably stand completely alone in this but from the little I've heard of his new album, I actually like it, which completely surprised me. I want to hear the rest but not sure if I really want it. Still thinking about that one. Now, here's the strange part for me. In the past, I've never, ever liked any Smashing Pumpkins, Zwan, Billy Corgan, whatever. None whatsoever at any time with the exception of the song that he did with New Order which I love.
Guess that means that everyone hates the new material.
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
I know I probably stand completely alone in this but from the little I've heard of his new album, I actually like it, which completely surprised me. I want to hear the rest but not sure if I really want it. Still thinking about that one. Now, here's the strange part for me. In the past, I've never, ever liked any Smashing Pumpkins, Zwan, Billy Corgan, whatever. None whatsoever at any time with the exception of the song that he did with New Order which I love.
Guess that means that everyone hates the new material.
New Order is cited as a major influence on his new album. It's all mostly the same "Style" except for one or two songs, so if you like what you've heard, you'd prolly dig it.
FYI - I like a few songs immensely (DIA, camera eye, mina loy) and think it has a few stinkers, but overall think it's merely "eh".
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
New Order is cited as a major influence on his new album. It's all mostly the same "Style" except for one or two songs, so if you like what you've heard, you'd prolly dig it.
So, I guess Billy Corgan is the Wynonna Ryder to New Order then. Considering NO's last album, he sucked the talent right out of them.
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Didn't Ryan Adams do the same thing when asked to play BRIAN Adams songs?
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Actually, I like the Pumpkins' early stuff and I got the new CD, surprised to find that there are some pretty darn good songs on it. The whole thing isn't great, but it's decent.
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First, I think that was a great interview with Corgan - Mitchum writes well. And I don't think you can argue with his point that Billy Corgan is just going to do whatever the hell he wants, and doesn't really care what anybody else thinks of him. And I think that's always what has made me a fan - whether or not you like the music, I think that's respectable.
And the new album is pretty good - I'd say five very strong tracks - Mina Loy, The Camera Eye, A100, Walking Shade, Now (And Then) - and some okay stuff - DIA, All Things Change, To Love Somebody. Then I'd say the rest of fairly worthless. But I'd say check it out.
Then again, I'm a devotee.
Didn't Ryan Adams do the same thing when asked to play BRIAN Adams songs?
Actually, there was an interview in Pitchfork this week about this:
http://pitchforkmedia.com/interviews/a/adams_ryan-05/ (http://pitchforkmedia.com/interviews/a/adams_ryan-05/)
"Pitchfork: Do you ever wonder if people go to Bryan Adams shows and yell out the names of your songs?
Adams: I don't know! I think the only reason that they do that-- I mean, they don't really do it much anymore, I hear it once in a very long while-- is because they think that it actually makes me mad. They think that the song name is what makes me mad, which is absurd. I don't care what they were yelling. The problem is that the guy who was yelling that song title out, the time I got really mad, was yelling it over and over again. And Gillian Welch and David Rawlings were on stage with me, and we were singing a three-part harmony to "Bartering Lines", with no musical accompaniment, except a banjo and his Archtop guitar.
So when the breakdown happens, it's just three voices, and the guy yells it out. And I'm so honored to be onstage with those guys, you know? And this guy screaming over them? "Summer of '69"? It's like, you know what, it wasn't fucking funny the first time you did it, which is why nobody laughed. But after eight or nine times? At the Ryman? I was just like, this sucks. These are my friends. Just stop. So when I kicked that guy out, everybody thought it was because he was confusing me with Bryan Adams. But it was more a matter of respect. I mean, come on, there are these bluegrass musicians up here, the best out there that I know of."
I apparently like musicians that throw fits, because I love Ryan Adams as well. And you know, I don't think he (or Corgan) is totally out of line for being insulted and reacting this way.
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billy got his wish:
Watch Smashing Pumpkins Reunite With James Iha at Los Angeles Concert
Guitarist rejoins former bandmates for first time in 16 years to perform 'Siamese Dream' classics
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/watch-smashing-pumpkins-reunite-with-james-iha-at-los-angeles-concert-20160327
i imagine that Julian hasn't posted this yet because he's still busy cleaning up the mess he made when he heard about this.
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Wow. Even I think that's incredible and wish I had been there.
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I'd like to see them unite with Jonathan Melvoin. That would be amazing.
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I'd like to see them unite with Jonathan Melvoin. That would be amazing.
I actually saw the last show he did with them when he was alive. It was a shambolic mess. In 1993/1994 the Pumpkins were actually a better live band than Nirvana (I saw them a week apart). But by 1996 it was clear there was something pretty wrong.
An interesting blurb. Sadly, no mention of Wax Trax Records, which was still a fundamental part of Chicago's music scene. But they're correct that the 3 biggest local names that year were the Pumpkins, Liz Phair, and Urge Overkill. I think Albini just hated having Nash Kato as his roommate for a while.
http://pitchfork.com/tv/54-yearbook/1655-yearbook-chicago-1993-alternative-and-indie/
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http://pitchfork.com/news/64926-billy-corgan-compares-social-justice-warriors-to-the-kkk/