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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mankie on January 27, 2004, 10:39:00 am
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....God knows the Caps need someone with some passion.
Report: Leonsis Grabs Fan at Hockey Game
Washington Capitals owner Ted Leonsis grabbed a 20-year-old fan by the neck and threw him to the ground after being taunted during the team's home loss to Philadelphia on Sunday, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.
Jason Hammer, a Washington resident and season ticket-holder who sits across from Leonsis' luxury box, said he had led a derisive chant directed toward the owner during the game and held up a sign that read: "Caps Hockey; AOL Stock -- See a Pattern?" Leonsis, 48, is vice chairman of America Online.
After the game, which was the first for the Capitals at home since the trade of star forward Jaromir Jagr, Hammer said he was walking past Leonsis with the sign held above his head when the owner approached him. Hammer then said Leonsis strangled him and security guards were needed to restrain the owner.
Team sources told the Post that Hammer had thrust the sign near Leonsis' face and heckled the owner, and Leonsis had shoved the fan aside.
Leonsis declined to comment to the Post. Attempts by The Associated Press to reach Leonsis early Tuesday morning were unsuccessful.
One witness told the Post that Leonsis grabbed Hammer by the collar, drove him backward and pushed him down. Another witness said Leonsis and Hammer were yelling at each other before the owner approached the fan. The two then shoved each other, the witness said, before security guards restrained Leonsis.
Hammer, who told the newspaper Leonsis had called to apologize, said he did not intend to press charges.
"I think both he and I are going to drop it and continue on and have it be like that," he said.
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Hockey is a pathetic sport littered with goons and thugs. The owners and fans alike.
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
Hockey is a pathetic sport littered with goons and thugs. The owners and fans alike.
...and NASCAR isn't I suppose?
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There are a couple of goons in NASCAR, but most behave like gentleman.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
Hockey is a pathetic sport littered with goons and thugs. The owners and fans alike.
...and NASCAR isn't I suppose? [/b]
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
There are a couple of goons in NASCAR, but most behave like gentleman.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
Hockey is a pathetic sport littered with goons and thugs. The owners and fans alike.
...and NASCAR isn't I suppose? [/b]
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I think you're confusing the "NASCAR gentlemen" with Formula 1. You know, the race that actually turns right once in a while.
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
Hockey is a pathetic sport littered with goons and thugs. The owners and fans alike.
you are a pretentious little might as well be gay little snot. you know nothing, and continue to only spew out crap, and not only that, you force other to retaliate with crap just because its on your level.
i vote Rhett to leave this board and make this a positive environment once again. I cant believe anyone on here really likes you.
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That wasn't very nice of you. I was simply stating my opinion on hockey.
Your comments seem to be a bit over the top, especially since you've never even met me, much less held an actual conversation with me.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
Hockey is a pathetic sport littered with goons and thugs. The owners and fans alike.
you are a pretentious little might as well be gay little snot. you know nothing, and continue to only spew out crap, and not only that, you force other to retaliate with crap just because its on your level.
i vote Rhett to leave this board and make this a positive environment once again. I cant believe anyone on here really likes you. [/b]
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hey sonick chill...you don't have to read his posts! if you don't like it, ignore it ;)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I cant believe anyone on here really likes you.
I do
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Oh sonick, you're just sore 'cause you're Canadian and hockey is a big thing to y'all...
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I cant believe anyone on here really likes you.
I do [/b]
OH PULEEEEEZE....you aren't fooling anyone, we know you only married him for his money! :D
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I make my case on the fact that fighting is an accepted part of hockey. Hell, they even have a penalty for it.
In other more civiled sports, if someone gets into a fight, he gets suspended and fined thousands of dollars. In hockey he gets a five minute penalty, and cheers from the meatheads in the crowd.
The fighting makes hockey more like a second cousin to pro wrestling than any other sport.
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aren't hockey's origins traceable to old scottish or norse tribes who batted around the intestines of the people they conquered, or something?
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I make my case on the fact that fighting is an accepted part of hockey. Hell, they even have a penalty for it.
In other more civiled sports, if someone gets into a fight, he gets suspended and fined thousands of dollars. In hockey he gets a five minute penalty, and cheers from the meatheads in the crowd.
The fighting makes hockey more like a second cousin to pro wrestling than any other sport.
There's no penalty for fighting in boxing.
Seriously Rhett, you should drop it because you're making yourself look like a complete moron, even by your standards.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I make my case on the fact that fighting is an accepted part of hockey. Hell, they even have a penalty for it.
In other more civiled sports, if someone gets into a fight, he gets suspended and fined thousands of dollars. In hockey he gets a five minute penalty, and cheers from the meatheads in the crowd.
The fighting makes hockey more like a second cousin to pro wrestling than any other sport.
There's no penalty for fighting in boxing. I don't think there's even a penalty when the rednecks in NASCAR jump out of the car and start wailing on each other....at least there's punishment for it in hockey.
Seriously Rhett, you should drop it because you're making yourself look like a complete moron, even by your standards. [/b]
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who said anything about boxing?
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
That wasn't very nice of you. I was simply stating my opinion on hockey.
- your opinions are always negative and i am positive you dont watch enough hockey to have any basis for that statement.
Your comments seem to be a bit over the top, especially since you've never even met me, much less held an actual conversation with me.
- amen to that
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Originally posted by Celeste:
who said anything about boxing?
I did.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celeste:
who said anything about boxing?
I did. [/b]
right...why? are you saying boxing is as thuggish as hockey because there are no penalties for fighting...that's just silly...
let's talk about what a wanker Ted is instead!!!
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hockey allows fighting due to a number of things
1. tradition, its been in the sport for over one hundred years.
2. hockey is NOT filled with a bunch of hotheads, who, if they get in a fight once, they are pissed off and act like children the rest of the game (it happens, but very rarely)
3. its hard to actually injure someone due to the fact that you cant get much leverage for a punch on skates. (you'll know if you have ever tried this one)
4. once someone falls down and real danger can present itself, the refs stop the fight.
5. gloves, sticks and the like are not allowed in the fights, and it usually just results in a little ice dance with a few punches thrown to the helmet of the opposing player.
6. the fans love it, and most of them are not "goons" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.
- clearly if you think hockey fans are goons, than you dont watch football where there are fights in the stands at every game. Baseball has bench clearing brawls for gods sake, and i wont even touch the guys that play in the NBA!!
also, mr. nascar,
how many hockey players have died playing a hockey game? i bet none.
ps - at least hockey players can change directions!
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There are NASCAR fans who are excited to see crashes. Also nudging happens all the time in NASCAR and is far more dangerous.
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I thought that this would be a thread about Ted Nugent finally joing the marines. Damn!
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celeste:
who said anything about boxing?
I did. [/b]
right...why? are you saying boxing is as thuggish as hockey because there are no penalties for fighting...that's just silly...
let's talk about what a wanker Ted is instead!!! [/b]
No, Rhett said that hockey is thuggish because of the fighting...they even have a penalty for it. My point was simply that boxing and NASCAR don't even have penalties for fighting so it's obviously much more accepted in those sports, and therefore far more 'thuggish' than hockey.
Ted isn't a wanker he's a good man who lost his cool for a brief moment. He's invested a ton of money and paying alleged superstars millions and millions who are grossly under-performing for him. IN fact he's one of the few owners who's in it for the sport and love of the team, not the ego or money. Even the bloke who was involved has said it's no biggie, drop it.
I personally think athletes should be paid on commission. If they win they make more than if they lose.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I personally think athletes should be paid on commission. If they win they make more than if they lose.
EXACTLY. I was just telling this to my girlfriend last night. i say, pay every athlete a certain amount, and then they earn incentives the rest of the way. Win the championship, get $3 million or something. like golf, thats how they do it. they dont even ahve a base salary do they? (oops, NASCAR might do this as well, hehe).
Anyway, this would take care of players making $8 million dollars a yaer to finish 25-53.
and Ted L. is a good man, any shithead money hungry owner who saw a fan heckling him would just think "hey, screw him, i am a gazillionaire!"
go Ted. (can he play the point on the PP now that Gonchar is gone?)
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
I thought that this would be a thread about Ted Nugent finally joing the marines. Damn!
NOW you're talking redneck. The only uniform he should be in is a prison uniform for his cruelty to animal attrocities.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I personally think athletes should be paid on commission. If they win they make more than if they lose.
well, I know Rhett would agree with you on that...he says it all the time...
I still think Ted is a wanker...AOL sucks and its his own fault for over-paying superstars...
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Originally posted by Celeste:
I still think Ted is a wanker...AOL sucks and its his own fault for over-paying superstars...
Jagr was one of the best players in hockey til he came here. what can ya do? bad fit, and Ted got rid of him. i say, good job. Anson Carter is a very good player. and 1/5 of the price
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Originally posted by Celeste:
well, I know Rhett would agree with you on that...he says it all the time...
are you speaking in Rhetts behalf now, because he cant say anything nice? ;)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i say, pay every athlete a certain amount, and then they earn incentives the rest of the way. Win the championship, get $3 million or something.
I'm surprised by this logic. It's the best way to ruin a team sport. Every man for himself on the ice to earn his keep - now who's going to pass and make $50 for an assist when they can make $100 for a goal?
The back-up net-minder makes $3m for winning a championship - the same as the starting netminder who posted 3 shutouts? That's even less fair than the current system.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Celeste:
I still think Ted is a wanker...AOL sucks and its his own fault for over-paying superstars...
Jagr was one of the best players in hockey til he came here. what can ya do? bad fit, and Ted got rid of him. i say, good job. Anson Carter is a very good player. and 1/5 of the price [/b]
I was sorry to see Carter leave the last time, he's a great player with great work ethic...not only that he looks 'way cool' with his dreadlocks busting out from under the helmet.
Jagr won't do well at the Rangers.....just too many superstar egos on that team if you ask me.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
well, I know Rhett would agree with you on that...he says it all the time...
He probably says that because NASCAR has the worst payout formula of all sports. You can lose the race and still make more than the winner because NASCAR provides owners incentives to keep the big names in the race.
That theory won't work in any other sport and I don't think it works in NASCAR either.
Sports is just like any other job - perform or you get fired. The real problem is in guaranteed contracts, not athletes failing to perform.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i say, pay every athlete a certain amount, and then they earn incentives the rest of the way. Win the championship, get $3 million or something.
I'm surprised by this logic. It's the best way to ruin a team sport. Every man for himself on the ice to earn his keep - now who's going to pass and make $50 for an assist when they can make $100 for a goal?
The back-up net-minder makes $3m for winning a championship - the same as the starting netminder who posted 3 shutouts? That's even less fair than the current system. [/b]
well, sonick's comment needs clarification, then...he said every athlete is paid a "certain" amount...not that they are all paid the "same" amount...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i say, pay every athlete a certain amount, and then they earn incentives the rest of the way. Win the championship, get $3 million or something.
I'm surprised by this logic. It's the best way to ruin a team sport. Every man for himself on the ice to earn his keep - now who's going to pass and make $50 for an assist when they can make $100 for a goal?
The back-up net-minder makes $3m for winning a championship - the same as the starting netminder who posted 3 shutouts? That's even less fair than the current system. [/b]
That's not what I meant smackie...I still say there should be individual contracts, but each contract should be 'perfomance based' as a team. If the team is failing miserable like the Caps are, then each player gets the minimum compensation based on his individual contract. Then the greater success the team has the higher up the pay-scale each player gets based on his contract. I think that would be great for sport because if a player is in a slump his team mates would have a personal interest in helping him out because their income is dependant on it.
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Anyone see John Kerry in the hockey uniform? Very presidental, indeed! You know the man has never played hockey in his life because he still has all his teeth.
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Originally posted by mankie:
That's not what I meant smackie...I still say there should be individual contracts, but each contract should be 'perfomance based' as a team. If the team is failing miserable like the Caps are, then each player gets the minimum compensation based on his individual contract. Then the greater success the team has the higher up the pay-scale each player gets based on his contract. I think that would be great for sport because if a player is in a slump his team mates would have a personal interest in helping him out because their income is dependant on it.
This from a footie fan? Probably the most mismatched payscale sport in the world?
Two words for you: Players Associations.
Like em or hate em, they were set-up to protect the players interests. The truth is nearly all contracts have individual bonuses in them. Very few "team bonus" based contracts would get players association approval. One exception would be footie, but it's not the players contract that is effected, it's the transfer price. Beckham's deal, for example, would not be an apporoved trade in any American Sport, because of the higher transfer fee should Real go further in the champions league. Then again, the athletes in US pro sports aren't chattel the way they are in Footie.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
well, sonick's comment needs clarification, then...he said every athlete is paid a "certain" amount...not that they are all paid the "same" amount...
I am totally aware that i am not the first person who thought of this theory, and i am sure it wont work, but it would solve the problem that i personally cant stand.
You wouldnt get paid for a goal or an assist like that. You would get paid, incentives. for winning. Making the "team" more important.
Perhaps, the same amount is not fesible, but if the pay range was drastically dropped (cut everyones salary in half, or make a $50 million salary cap) then make the rest incentives.
Basically, i have not the time or the energy to figure out the holes in the theory, just a speculation, and i think it would at least make a player more driven to win.
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According to a select few on this board, that just means that he's American.
Originally posted by PseudoScouseTwat:
Anyone see John Kerry in the hockey uniform? Very presidental, indeed! You know the man has never played hockey in his life because he still has all his teeth.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
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Beckham's deal, for example, would not be an apporoved trade in any American Sport, because of the higher transfer fee should Real go further in the champions league. [/QB]
If a trade can be performance based then why can't the player's contract?
I know I'm going to get hammered for this comment but what the hell....I think top flight footie players are much more mature than top flight American athletes, for the most part anyway. For example, Nicky Butt.....poor guy is asking to leave the greatest footie team in the world so he can get playing time, which will no doubt, mean a smaller salary at his new team. I can't see too many runny-catchy, hockey, hitty-runny, bouncey-nettie players doing that, they'd just sit on the bench counting their money rather than take less money to play for a lower team. I also don't blame the American athletes 100% for their attitude, because they don't want for anything when they show talent at a young age, so grow up spoiled little brats.
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wby would you take less money to play on a sucky team?
i am not sure even I get that!!!
i would take less money to play on a better team or more money to play on a shitty one.
no one wants to be poor and lose!!!
- but two points here.
1. Teemu Selanne and Paul Kariya both took tremendous salary hits just to play on Colorado this year to try and win the cup (which they will).
2. a VERY small portion of NHL players are "american athletes" and an even smaller portion are the ones that are making multi-million dollar contracts. Most are Canadian/Swedish/Finnish or Russian. esp the big money/holdout jerkoffs. :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
You wouldnt get paid for a goal or an assist like that. You would get paid, incentives. for winning. Making the "team" more important.
So Buckner's error costs everybody on the team their winning bonus, and this is supposed to help team chemistry and make everybody help everybody out and play better?
You guys are nuts.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this comment but what the hell....I think top flight footie players are much more mature than top flight American athletes, for the most part anyway. For example, Nicky Butt.....poor guy is asking to leave the greatest footie team in the world so he can get playing time, which will no doubt, mean a smaller salary at his new team. I can't see too many runny-catchy, hockey, hitty-runny, bouncey-nettie players doing that, they'd just sit on the bench counting their money rather than take less money to play for a lower team. I also don't blame the American athletes 100% for their attitude, because they don't want for anything when they show talent at a young age, so grow up spoiled little brats.
Mankie, it will surprise you that I will be the one to hammer you the hardest.
Who said this? "He has that American thing: the ability to focus intensely; a will to train hard and be the best. That's missing over here."
Or this: "They want to be number 1. They want to be the best. That's a pretty good way to look at life. They have a certain selflessness that's missing among European players, who need to be eccentric and flambouyant."
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
wby would you take less money to play on a sucky team?
i am not sure even I get that!!!
Because Nicky Butt is a true professional and wants to play the game not warm the bench, so he's willing to take a pay cut to get first team playing time elsewhere. He also plays for England and sitting on the bench at Old Trafford is doing his England career no good either.
Having said all that I really can't see United letting him go, if they do then Fergie has completely lost his marbles, Becks and now Butt???
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
You wouldnt get paid for a goal or an assist like that. You would get paid, incentives. for winning. Making the "team" more important.
So Buckner's error costs everybody on the team their winning bonus, and this is supposed to help team chemistry and make everybody help everybody out and play better?
You guys are nuts. [/b]
This Buckner character, whoever he is...if he knew his team mates income was dependant on him, maybe he would've practiced more, trained harder and not fucked up. ;) It's called "teamwork"!
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But the goal of boxing is to score the most punches. The goal of hockey is to score the most goals. Fighting is a necessity for boxing, it's just a stupid, ugly, non-neccessary sideshow for hockey.
As far as NASCAR goes, there haven't been fisticuffs thrown between two drivers since the late 70's, whereas a fight in hockey is as standard as a mullet and missing teeth.
And yes, there is some nudging that goes on in NASCAR. But it's typically limited to shorter, slower tracks where a crash would unlikely cause injury to a driver. And the nudging is typically minor enough to throw off the opponents car just enough to allow a pass, without causing him to lose control of the car.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I make my case on the fact that fighting is an accepted part of hockey. Hell, they even have a penalty for it.
In other more civiled sports, if someone gets into a fight, he gets suspended and fined thousands of dollars. In hockey he gets a five minute penalty, and cheers from the meatheads in the crowd.
The fighting makes hockey more like a second cousin to pro wrestling than any other sport.
There's no penalty for fighting in boxing.
Seriously Rhett, you should drop it because you're making yourself look like a complete moron, even by your standards. [/b]
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Hot tempers, 1995: Two separate incidents spiced this season.
Bill Ingle, the crew chief for Ricky Rudd at the time, punched Ted Musgrave as Musgrave sat in his car after finishing second in the spring Martinsville race. Ingle was upset that Musgrave spun Rudd earlier in the race. Ingle hit Musgrave on the left cheek and bloodied the driver's face. NASCAR fined Ingle $250.
Later that year, Michael Waltrip punched Lake Speed as Speed sat in his car.
Waltrip was racing Speed for position when Speed blocked him and Waltrip hit the wall. After the race, Waltrip drove past Speed and cut him off on pit road. Waltrip got out, undid Speed's window net and punched Speed twice. Thing is, Speed still had his helmet on. NASCAR fined Waltrip $10,000.
Stewart's costly encounter, 2002: Tony Stewart's altercation with a photographer after last year's Brickyard 400 doesn't have the appeal of some of the sport's fights, but it remains memorable.
Stewart, upset by fading late and finishing 12th at a race he so desperately wanted to win, hit a photographer as he walked out of the garage. Stewart's sponsor fined him $50,000. NASCAR fined Stewart $10,000 and placed him on probation.
Recent cases of bad behavior by NASCAR competitors:
Martinsville, Va., April 13, 2002: NASCAR officials call Kevin Harvick into the pits for rough driving during a Craftsman Truck Series race. After arguing with officials, Harvick is "parked" (suspended) for the following day's Winston Cup race.
Indianapolis, Aug. 4, 2002: Jimmy Spencer knocks Kurt Busch into the wall, and Tony Stewart shoves a photographer in the garage area. Stewart is fined $10,000 by NASCAR and $50,000 by sponsor The Home Depot.
Brooklyn, Mich., Aug. 17, 2003: Spencer punches Busch in the face after an on-track run-in. Spencer is suspended for one race and fined $25,000. Evidence surfaces showing Busch provoked Spencer.
Bristol, Tenn., Aug. 23, 2003: Busch bumps Tennessee native Sterling Marlin's car, wins the race and is booed.
Richmond, Va., Sept. 6, 2003: Harvick and his crew confront Ricky Rudd after Rudd spins out Harvick in the closing laps of the race. Two crew members are suspended for one race, and NASCAR hands out $62,500 in fines.
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
As far as NASCAR goes, there haven't been fisticuffs thrown between two drivers since the late 70's, whereas a fight in hockey is as standard as a mullet and missing teeth.
Jimmy Spencer punched Kurt Busch last season before Busch even got out of his car, otherwise Busch might have thrown punches back. Spencer was fined $25,000 and suspended for a race.
Oh, and Kurt Busch deserved it.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by mankie:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this comment but what the hell....I think top flight footie players are much more mature than top flight American athletes, for the most part anyway. For example, Nicky Butt.....poor guy is asking to leave the greatest footie team in the world so he can get playing time, which will no doubt, mean a smaller salary at his new team. I can't see too many runny-catchy, hockey, hitty-runny, bouncey-nettie players doing that, they'd just sit on the bench counting their money rather than take less money to play for a lower team. I also don't blame the American athletes 100% for their attitude, because they don't want for anything when they show talent at a young age, so grow up spoiled little brats.
Mankie, it will surprise you that I will be the one to hammer you the hardest.
Who said this? "He has that American thing: the ability to focus intensely; a will to train hard and be the best. That's missing over here."
Or this: "They want to be number 1. They want to be the best. That's a pretty good way to look at life. They have a certain selflessness that's missing among European players, who need to be eccentric and flambouyant." [/b]
Doesn't surprise me in the slightes smackie....I think the difference is they are 'told' they are #1 from the beginning, even when they're not. Hell, they don't even have losing teams in childrens sports anymore in some schools.
Remember I did say "for the most part" there are plenty of true professionals in American sports, Michael Jordan comes to mind. Why else would the poor bloke have got himself involved with a franchise like the Wizards for crying out loud? But "generally speaking", runny-catchy and bouncey-nettie players tend to be much more flamboyant and arrogant than any European player of any sport. Hockey players are much more low-key but that's because the majority are either Canadian or European.
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
[QB]
And yes, there is some nudging that goes on in NASCAR. But it's typically limited to shorter, slower tracks where a crash would unlikely cause injury to a driver. And the nudging is typically minor enough to throw off the opponents car just enough to allow a pass, without causing him to lose control of the car.
"unlikely case injury to a driver" that makes it okay then I suppose.
The biggest thug in sports is dead, and killed himself while pulling one of his famous thuggish acts. Dale Earnhardt.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Doesn't surprise me in the slightes smackie....
Well that was Fergie and Coton talking about why they have 3 Americans in the United franchise. For every one Nicky Butt, there are 10, maybe 20 Luis Saha's who will cry until their club stops blocking a purcahse by United.
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Four punching incidents in 8 years, 36 races a year. Thus four punching incidents in 288 races. Still a lot less thuggish than hockey.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Hot tempers, 1995: Two separate incidents spiced this season.
Bill Ingle, the crew chief for Ricky Rudd at the time, punched Ted Musgrave as Musgrave sat in his car after finishing second in the spring Martinsville race. Ingle was upset that Musgrave spun Rudd earlier in the race. Ingle hit Musgrave on the left cheek and bloodied the driver's face. NASCAR fined Ingle $250.
Later that year, Michael Waltrip punched Lake Speed as Speed sat in his car.
Waltrip was racing Speed for position when Speed blocked him and Waltrip hit the wall. After the race, Waltrip drove past Speed and cut him off on pit road. Waltrip got out, undid Speed's window net and punched Speed twice. Thing is, Speed still had his helmet on. NASCAR fined Waltrip $10,000.
Stewart's costly encounter, 2002: Tony Stewart's altercation with a photographer after last year's Brickyard 400 doesn't have the appeal of some of the sport's fights, but it remains memorable.
Stewart, upset by fading late and finishing 12th at a race he so desperately wanted to win, hit a photographer as he walked out of the garage. Stewart's sponsor fined him $50,000. NASCAR fined Stewart $10,000 and placed him on probation.
Recent cases of bad behavior by NASCAR competitors:
Martinsville, Va., April 13, 2002: NASCAR officials call Kevin Harvick into the pits for rough driving during a Craftsman Truck Series race. After arguing with officials, Harvick is "parked" (suspended) for the following day's Winston Cup race.
Indianapolis, Aug. 4, 2002: Jimmy Spencer knocks Kurt Busch into the wall, and Tony Stewart shoves a photographer in the garage area. Stewart is fined $10,000 by NASCAR and $50,000 by sponsor The Home Depot.
Brooklyn, Mich., Aug. 17, 2003: Spencer punches Busch in the face after an on-track run-in. Spencer is suspended for one race and fined $25,000. Evidence surfaces showing Busch provoked Spencer.
Bristol, Tenn., Aug. 23, 2003: Busch bumps Tennessee native Sterling Marlin's car, wins the race and is booed.
Richmond, Va., Sept. 6, 2003: Harvick and his crew confront Ricky Rudd after Rudd spins out Harvick in the closing laps of the race. Two crew members are suspended for one race, and NASCAR hands out $62,500 in fines.
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
Four punching incidents in 8 years, 36 races a year. Thus four punching incidents in 288 races. Still a lot less thuggish than hockey.
Still a lot different than "no fights since the late-1970s"
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Originally posted by mankie:
The biggest thug in sports is dead, and killed himself while pulling one of his famous thuggish acts. Dale Earnhardt.
Actually, he wasn't pulling off his "famous thuggish acts." He was blocking so his son (Jr.) and teammate (Waltrip) could race to the finish and that is why he is dead.
It wasn't thuggish, it was foolish.
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True. I wasn't a NASCAR fan in 1995, so was unaware of those incidents. And I forgot about the Busch/Spencer fiasco. And Stewart's behaviour (punching a photographer), while indeed thuggish, wasn't part of the race action. More akin to a hockey player punching a member of the media. Maybe Sean Penn could play Stewart in the movie.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
Four punching incidents in 8 years, 36 races a year. Thus four punching incidents in 288 races. Still a lot less thuggish than hockey.
Still a lot different than "no fights since the late-1970s" [/b]
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by mankie:
Doesn't surprise me in the slightes smackie....
Well that was Fergie and Coton talking about why they have 3 Americans in the United franchise. For every one Nicky Butt, there are 10, maybe 20 Luis Saha's who will cry until their club stops blocking a purcahse by United. [/b]
I knew the comment came from Fergie....and I said it doesn't surprise me because you have great interest in sports, and therefore strong opinions like myself....a healthy discussion is the end result.
Saha!! I think that will end up being about as wise a purchase as Forlan was....what do you think?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
You wouldnt get paid for a goal or an assist like that. You would get paid, incentives. for winning. Making the "team" more important.
So Buckner's error costs everybody on the team their winning bonus, and this is supposed to help team chemistry and make everybody help everybody out and play better?
You guys are nuts. [/b]
I have no idea who Buckner is.
but if he's some asshole jerkwad who cant catch a groundball and cost his team their first world series in almost 75 years then yes, unfortunately he wouldve cost his team thier winning bonus, and cost him the rest of his career and a whole lot of people's happiness and sanity, not to mention another god knows how many years worth of people wishing that he'd never been born.
but if he's just some regular guy, then i guess thats not fair.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Saha!! I think that will end up being about as wise a purchase as Forlan was....what do you think?
I don't like French footballers, generally, or french people for that matter, but United needs to create more offensive chances and I think he can do that. With Ole's future up in the air, I think Saha was a better move than Viduka would have been, though I would rather root for Viduka.
How's that for hedging?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I have no idea who Buckner is.
but if he's some asshole jerkwad who cant catch a groundball and cost his team their first world series in almost 75 years then yes, unfortunately he wouldve cost his team thier winning bonus, and cost him the rest of his career and a whole lot of people's happiness and sanity, not to mention another god knows how many years worth of people wishing that he'd never been born.
but if he's just some regular guy, then i guess thats not fair.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
Well put, sonick.
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
whereas a fight in hockey is as standard as a mullet and missing teeth.
did a NASCAR fan just say that hockey had a bunch of mullets? hahaha. surely you jest?
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Name one driver who has a mullet. You can't. The fans, well they're a different story.
I'll bet there are some NHL players with mullets.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
whereas a fight in hockey is as standard as a mullet and missing teeth.
did a NASCAR fan just say that hockey had a bunch of mullets? hahaha. surely you jest? [/b]
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I'll bet there are some NHL players with mullets.
i dont know any.
and i cant believe that you are telling me that you know the hairstyle of every NASCAR driver!
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Jagr had a classic mullet, but then again it was while he was in Pittsburgh!
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I know the hairstyles of all 45 or so drivers in the Nextel cup. They all pretty much have the same boring short haircut of an accountant. Except for Kyle Petty, who has a pony tail. Don't know about the hairstyles of the drivers in the lesser divisiions.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I'll bet there are some NHL players with mullets.
i dont know any.
and i cant believe that you are telling me that you know the hairstyle of every NASCAR driver! [/b]
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
[QB] I know the hairstyles of all 45 or so drivers in the Nextel cup. They all pretty much have the same boring short haircut of an accountant. Except for Kyle Petty, who has a pony tail. Don't know about the hairstyles of the drivers in the lesser divisiions.
The ponytail is right up there with the mullet.
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I know the hairstyles of all 45 or so drivers in the Nextel cup.
does no one else think thats wierd?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I know the hairstyles of all 45 or so drivers in the Nextel cup.
does no one else think thats wierd? [/b]
coming from Rhett....no!
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I know the hairstyles of all 45 or so drivers in the Nextel cup.
does no one else think thats wierd? [/b]
Maybe, but then again, this the same person who "knew" that there had not been any punching incidents in NASCRAP since the late 70s...
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They show the drivers pictures before every race on tv. How oblivious would someone have to be NOT to catch if one had a mullet?
Also, I still have my program from Martinsville last year with pics of all the drivers. Again, no mullets. No overgrown goatees either.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
I know the hairstyles of all 45 or so drivers in the Nextel cup.
does no one else think thats wierd? [/b]
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Originally posted by Mr. Unctuous:
They show the drivers pictures before every race on tv. How oblivious would someone have to be NOT to catch if one had talent?
Also, I still have my program from Mulletsville last year's circle fest. No overgrown penises either.
sorry. you are right.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
So Buckner's error costs everybody on the team their winning bonus, and this is supposed to help team chemistry and make everybody help everybody out and play better?
You guys are nuts.
I have no idea who Buckner is.
but if he's some asshole jerkwad who cant catch a groundball and cost his team their first world series in almost 75 years then yes, unfortunately he wouldve cost his team thier winning bonus, and cost him the rest of his career and a whole lot of people's happiness and sanity, not to mention another god knows how many years worth of people wishing that he'd never been born.
but if he's just some regular guy, then i guess thats not fair. [/QB][/QUOTE]
in all fairness, keeping buckner in there was the fault of the manager. . hmmm, seems to be a recurring element in red sox lore.