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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mankie on January 27, 2004, 11:06:00 am
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Remember, mankie said all empires must fall, and just as Ricky Gervais said when accepting the Golden Globe...."I come from a small place called England, you know, we used to run the world before you lot"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3430199.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3430199.stm)
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Yeah...and I'm reading that book called Fat Land (just started) in which the author observes that the first fad diet came out in England at the height of its imperialism, and now the U.S. has such high obesity and all kinds of fad diets...another similarity. (Strangely enough, though, the author's main point seems to be that poorer Americans have more of a risk of obesity)
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They certainly aren't talking about anything new there. Annoyed Americans have been saying this for years.
Originally posted by mankie:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3430199.stm
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When are you going to return what you have stolen (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2791877.stm) from others?
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I know the US hasn't really helped the Native Americans out at all, but didn't the Britain kick all the natives off of Diego Garcia forcing them into poverty?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
When are you going to return what you have stolen (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2791877.stm) from others?
We'll return the sculptures to the Greeks if you return this country to it's rightful owners....deal?
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Originally posted by Celeste:
(Strangely enough, though, the author's main point seems to be that poorer Americans have more of a risk of obesity)
That's more due to a lack of education on nutrition don't you think?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celeste:
(Strangely enough, though, the author's main point seems to be that poorer Americans have more of a risk of obesity)
That's more due to a lack of education on nutrition don't you think? [/b]
Well, this will be getting off topic, but, there are a few different opinions out there on why this seems to be...
I recently read an article that talked about a lack of quality, fresh produce in inner-city grocery stores...some say also, that crappy, processed food is cheaper. In Nickel and Dimed, that author suggested that many poor people buy fast food because they are living in hotels/motels without kitchens or pots and pans to prepare regular meals...education may be just a very small part of it, especially because the information out there about food and nutrition is so varied, often conflicting and confusing, anyway...
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celeste:
(Strangely enough, though, the author's main point seems to be that poorer Americans have more of a risk of obesity)
That's more due to a lack of education on nutrition don't you think? [/b]
Well, this will be getting off topic, but, there are a few different opinions out there on why this seems to be...
I recently read an article that talked about a lack of quality, fresh produce in inner-city grocery stores...some say also, that crappy, processed food is cheaper. In Nickel and Dimed, that author suggested that many poor people buy fast food because they are living in hotels/motels without kitchens or pots and pans to prepare regular meals...education may be just a very small part of it, especially because the information out there about food and nutrition is so varied, often conflicting and confusing, anyway... [/b]
Those lazy bastards should get off their fat arses and get a job so they can pay their own rent on an apartment and buy their own healthy food, and aren't sponging of the welfare state, or maybe sue the fast food chains because they didn't know it would turn their arses into lard.
Do you like my Rhett impersonation?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Those lazy bastards should get off their fat arses and get a job so they can pay their own rent on an apartment and buy their own healthy food, and aren't sponging of the welfare state, or maybe sue the fast food chains because they didn't know it would turn their arses into lard.
Do you like my Rhett impersonation? [/QB]
LOL!!! spot on! (poor rhett :p )
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that sounds like a normal makie post to me...and not one without some degree of valid point
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About education on nutrition... While education may help, I think most of the problem is due to eating patterns started at a young age. Simply saying eating junk food is bad isn't going to stop someone from eating junk food. Healthier foods need to be introduced into the diet.
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yeah...and "junk" food is actually addictive, and many items have ingredients that people don't even understand...or that they wouldn't expect to be in particular foods..."hidden" sugars, fats, etc...
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celeste:
(Strangely enough, though, the author's main point seems to be that poorer Americans have more of a risk of obesity)
That's more due to a lack of education on nutrition don't you think? [/b]
Well, this will be getting off topic, but, there are a few different opinions out there on why this seems to be...
I recently read an article that talked about a lack of quality, fresh produce in inner-city grocery stores...some say also, that crappy, processed food is cheaper. In Nickel and Dimed, that author suggested that many poor people buy fast food because they are living in hotels/motels without kitchens or pots and pans to prepare regular meals...education may be just a very small part of it, especially because the information out there about food and nutrition is so varied, often conflicting and confusing, anyway... [/b]
the bottom line is that proper nutrition is expensive, especially in a society where sustainable, organic agriculture is a boutique industry...and two liters of pepsi are about .99 cents.
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that's kind of true...you can buy a loaf of white bread for like a buck, but a loaf of whole grain bread is over three dollars...there ARE creative ways to eat healthy for not alot of dough, but many poor don't may not the time or resources to figure all that out, plus, the pleasure and buzz from sugary and fatty foods probably is a comfort in otherwise difficult lives...
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This reminds me of John Cleese as Robin Hood in TIME BANDITS, "The poor are going to be absolutely pleased."
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and can someone please tell me why a company would feel the need to put high fructose corn syrup in tomato soup???? (just realized this upon looking at what was supposed to be my lunch)
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"high fructose corn syrup"
It's in a lot of processed foods. It is cheap and sweet. Can help consistency too.
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yeah...it was a rhetorical question :)
just makes me want to have every damn thing be home-made...
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
"high fructose corn syrup"
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It's in a lot of processed foods. It is cheap and sweet. Can help consistency too.
Can help obesity (http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/3021.html) too.
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There was a great special on PBS a couple years ago called "People Like Us" that explored how social class impacts our lives.
One of the segments, based on the social implications of white bread and wheat bread, featured a battle over a co-op in Burlington, VT. In this case a co-op had replaced a local chain grocery store. The poorer members of society were all up in arms because they could not buy white bread at the co-op even though the co-op offered loaves of organic wheat bread for less than a dollar.
The segment also went to a local food bank where they were unable to give away loaves of really expensive fresh-baked organic bread but quickly ran out of cheap processed white bread.
Basically the segment was arguing that poorer, working-class Americans view food as a status symbol. In this case organic wheat bread is the food of wealthy, bohemian liberals (Bobos) and the lower classes want nothing to do with it because it is incongruous to their social class.
The same could be said for espresso, non-iceburg lettuce, and pretty much all ethnic foods besides italian and chinese.
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well, if poor people want to eat white bread and iceberg lettuce because they have too big a chip on their shoulder to eat healthy foods becasue they associate the healthy foods with the hated "rich" people, then they get what they deserve...that's just preposterous...
however, if they go for that stuff because those are the tastes they are used to and the healthier foods taste strange to them, that's another story...they'd just have to work on retraining their tastes to healthier foods
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Originally posted by Celeste:
well, if poor people want to eat white bread and iceberg lettuce because they have too big a chip on their shoulder to eat healthy foods becasue they associate the healthy foods with the hated "rich" people, then they get what they deserve
Amen.
Natural selection exists for a reason.
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My students in rural North Carolina always asked me "What's that?" whenever I ate yogurt.
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and remember at that NASCAR race when I was eating a sandwich with avocado, that guy next to me was like, "what's that green stuff"...
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Well I wouldn't have known that myself until i started dating/got married to a food snob!
Originally posted by Celeste:
and remember at that NASCAR race when I was eating a sandwich with avocado, that guy next to me was like, "what's that green stuff"...
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YES! This was what I was trying to get at earlier.
Originally posted by Celeste:
however, if they go for that stuff because those are the tastes they are used to and the healthier foods taste strange to them, that's another story...they'd just have to work on retraining their tastes to healthier foods
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And that's where you say, "moldy cheese."
Originally posted by Celeste:
and remember at that NASCAR race when I was eating a sandwich with avocado, that guy next to me was like, "what's that green stuff"...
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Super Size Me! (http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/16393.htm)
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Jared is a pussy.