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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: dlcjr1775 on September 01, 2005, 03:37:00 am
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This is strictly my opinion, but after seeing and reading about the massive damage that Katrina has done, and the ill-advised location of New Orleans itself, the town should not be rebuilt, and the areas (such as most of the French Quarter) that have minimal damage, should be kept as strictly a tourist, stop, the rest of the town should be filled in, and have a minimal level above the sea level for any new structures to be built. It will hurt New Orleans residents feelings, but this is without a doubt going to dwarf Hurricane Andrew as the most expensive natural disater in American history, and only through an attitude of logical thought, not sentimental, will the people of New Orleans get through this terrible ordeal. Just my opinion. Unleash the hounds!
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Dude, New Orleans is a massively important port city and an important hub for oil extraction, refinement, and distribution, among many other key functions. Just watch what happens to the US economy over the next few months with this city's outputs nullified. It's not just about getting drunk on Bourbon Street and feeling tits on Mardi Gras. Cities, unlike ill-advised resort communities, don't just spring up where they are for no reason.
Maybe changing the system of levees so the Mississsippi is allowed to silt the gulf and rebuild natural defenses is a more reasonable idea?
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
It's not just about getting drunk on Bourbon Street and feeling tits on Mardi Gras.
GASP!! really????
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
It's not just about getting drunk on Bourbon Street and feeling tits on Mardi Gras.
GASP!! really???? [/b]
They should drop a fuel air bomb on it, with all the looters still there. Now the filth is shooting at helicopters. When are they going to start shooting the looters already, this is beyond out of hand. Is anyone in charge or control?
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its too early to really tell, but by the sounds of it, the city might never be back. some rumors going around are that it might be 6 months to a year before people move back. people have to find new places to live, work, ect. in the meantime, businesses have to find new offices. don't doubt it may come back, but it doesn't look good
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Like protesters, all looters should be shot dead on sight. Show me where to sign up, I have a buddy at work that'll sign up also.
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You're a Reptilian, aren't you, Rob_Gee? :roll:
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It doesn't matter to me, Republican....Democrat...whoever's in, I support. The guy is gonna get trashed by boardies whether he's a Republican, Democrat, Independant, King, Queen, whatever...
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Show me where to sign up
Here you go (http://www.ngb.army.mil/)
I hear they have a flight to New Orleans with a quick 6 month layover in Baghdad.
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I think the number of Army reservists and National Guard that are currently knee deep in Iraqi sand is slowing the response to clean-up and keeping the peace. I'm sure most of those people stuck in Iraq would trade their current situation for a chance to be waist deep in water and be home with their families.
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Yeah, and most of us would rather be lying on a tropical beach getting a tan instead of at work...What's your point?
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my thoughts:
on the looting and shooting:
the people stuck in new orleans are largely (but not all, of course) impoverished african-americans who have lived through generations of poverty and many (but not all, of course) have a deep distrust of police and state authority ... new orleans is already one of the most violent cities in the country, so couple this with days of anarchy and lack of supplies, and that area will just turn into a war zone, and we're starting to see that right now with the shooting of helicopters and national guardsmen ... a rep from the fairfax search and rescue team said he was deployed for three weeks after the tsunami and didn't see any civil unrest, but this is a much smaller scale and this is already turning into lord of the flies ... easy access to guns are of course an issue, but it just says more about the mindset of these people more than anything else
on living in unsustainable areas:
i grew up on the west coast of florida, and i still have no sympathy for people who build where mother nature tells you you shouldn't build, this includes:
barrier reefs
beaches
deep in forests
in floodplains
the real issue here is that ALL OF US pay for these peoples' arrogance ... in florida, taxpayers pay hundreds of millions to keep barrier reefs and beaches exactly how they "should be" when in reality nature should and constantly does reshape the land in these areas ... if you spend $10million for a house on a beach, you should realize that that land could and probably will simply wash away eventually ... instead all of us pay millions to keep nature at bay and "protect" our beaches and barrier reefs ... the same thing is happening with the "beach replenishment" at rehoboth/dewey this past spring/summer
you can extrapolate this example to the others i listed ... the denver area has seen a huge population explosion in the last half century or so, and people move out into forests where forest fires routinely ravage the land ... now that a few people live out there, we all have to spend millions to battle the fire and "save" their homes
i'm not saying that people shouldn't build in new orleans, but you can see where i'm getting at
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
the people stuck in new orleans are largely (but not all, of course) impoverished african-americans who have lived through generations of poverty and many (but not all, of course) have a deep distrust of police and state authority ...
a good piece from NYT's David Brooks (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/opinion/01brooks.html?ei=5090&en=1424045a250b03fc&ex=1283227200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print)
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Thank god none of you were deicision makers in my neck of the woods in 1906.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Yeah, and most of us would rather be lying on a tropical beach getting a tan instead of at work...What's your point?
My point, as an Army veteran, is that it is frustrating being deployed thousands of miles from home when there is an emergency in your own back yard that you would much rather be dealing with.
I am not making any political statements here about whether or not the war in Iraq is right or wrong. I'm simly saying that the clean-up and peace keeping duties typically handled by the National Guard in times like this might be going better if they weren't already stretched thin.
Make sense?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Thank god none of you were deicision makers in my neck of the woods in 1906.
come on, i'd be content. :)
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There is a blurb from a guardsmen on CNN's website who was in Iraq and is now at the Supperdome and says he wishes he was on tour in Baghdad instead..
regardless it's a horrid situation.
I will only say one thing:
Bourbon blues on the street loose and complete
Under skies all smoky blue-green
I can Forksake the dixie dead shake
So we dance the sidewalk clean
My memory is muddy what's this river I'm in
New Orleans is sinking and I don't want to swim
"New Orleans is sinking" - Tragically Hip.
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"new orleans is a dead museum."
excerpt from "naked lunch" by william s. burroughs.
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
My point, as an Army veteran, is that it is frustrating being deployed thousands of miles from home when there is an emergency in your own back yard that you would much rather be dealing with.
I am not making any political statements here about whether or not the war in Iraq is right or wrong. I'm simly saying that the clean-up and peace keeping duties typically handled by the National Guard in times like this might be going better if they weren't already stretched thin.
Make sense?
It sounds to me like New Orleans could be the perfect, gift exit-strategy that the administration has hoped for...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
on the looting and shooting:
its getting really ugly right now ... vehicles evacuating critical patients from one of the major hospitals took sniper fire and they can't continue to evacuate the hospital
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after it's all over, i'm sure someone will blame "grand theft auto." or rap music. or the fact that "new jack city" was just released on dvd.
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I blame this guy. (http://retrospection.net/videofiles/hurricanekat.php)
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
I blame this guy. (http://retrospection.net/videofiles/hurricanekat.php)
I blame you because you change your screen name so fucking much.
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I kept rewinding that one it was so funny. What a dork he was. And she was annoying as hell.
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Armed looters? Breakdown of social order? Gas becoming scarce? An armed and angry Superdome (http://www.moviesoundclips.net/movies/max3/death.wav)?
<img src="http://www.cdnn.info/news/fiji_250300.jpg" alt=" - " />
Here's your next ROAD WARRIOR movie, George Miller.
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Originally posted by pickup:
Originally posted by clouds R²:
I blame this guy. (http://retrospection.net/videofiles/hurricanekat.php)
I blame you because you change your screen name so fucking much. [/b]
this one is cute, though
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
whoever's in, I support.
Adolf Hitler got a lot of mileage out of blind conformist sheep like you.
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Without a doubt, Federal Funds must go into rebuilding New Orleans. Frankly I could give a shit about Iraq. I we want to rebuild in another country, we must first do it in our own where we have been most affected.
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In fact, even just a fraction of the billions that have gone into the black hole of rebuilding Iraq could have been used to strengthen the levees beforehand to make sure this disaster never happened.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
It doesn't matter to me, Republican....Democrat...whoever's in, I support. The guy is gonna get trashed by boardies whether he's a Republican, Democrat, Independant, King, Queen, whatever...
My post had nothing whatsoever to do with political parties.
Here's a picture of Rob_Gee:
<img src="http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/reptile.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
It doesn't matter to me, Republican....Democrat...whoever's in, I support.
Isn't that the kind of attitude that gave Hitler his power over Nazi Germany?
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
whoever's in, I support.
Adolf Hitler got a lot of mileage out of blind conformist sheep like you. [/b]
Whatever dude, you don't know me, and after comments like that, should be pretty damn glad you don't. I'll just sit back and continue to watch you guys act like little crybabies and whiners on here....LOL
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
In fact, even just a fraction of the billions that have gone into the black hole of rebuilding Iraq could have been used to strengthen the levees beforehand to make sure this disaster never happened.
Sidney Blumenthal's take on this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1561356,00.html)
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Well, at least Congress is finally having "emergency sessions" to approve an aid budget. Of course this isn't *as* pressing a 'life or death' situation as Schiavo (http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/03/21/schiavo.congress/) was (where they managed to fly in to DC over Easter weekend with a few hours notice). But hey, better late than never.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
In fact, even just a fraction of the billions that have gone into the black hole of rebuilding Iraq could have been used to strengthen the levees beforehand to make sure this disaster never happened.
actually, part of that money is often at the discretion of the army corps of enginners. . .seems they'd much rather destroy the missouri river instead.
in any event, the levee system needs to be replaced, it's killing off the bayou's that often serve to protect the area from storm swells. . if the mississippi river was allowed to run its normal course (including the floods), the silt would flow to the southern part of louisiana, building up the bayou system. instead, that silt is being funneled in to the gulf and lake pontchartrain. that entire area has been an environmental disaster for the last 50 years, and has been lucky to survive for so long.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
that entire area has been an environmental disaster for the last 50 years, and has been lucky to survive for so long.
there has been a seasonal "dead zone" in the upper gulf due to all sorts of shit floating out of the mississippi, no fish or aquatic life can survive there for months at a time ... new orleans is one of the most polluted areas in the country, and i can't even imagine what the upper gulf will be like for decades to come, there will be some nasty shit in there that won't just float away
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Adolf Hitler got a lot of mileage out of blind conformist sheep like you.
<img src="http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-FFS.jpg" alt=" - " />
Why must you always bring Hitler into the argument when someone disagrees with your PC viewpoint.
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
Why must you always bring Hitler into the argument when someone disagrees with your PC viewpoint.
thank you.
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Adolf Hitler got a lot of mileage out of blind conformist sheep like you.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by clouds R²:
Why must you always bring Hitler into the argument when someone disagrees with your PC viewpoint.
thank you. [/b]
No, Thank You.
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Cops Looting New Orleans (http://blighty.multiply.com/journal/item/537)
Law enforcement efforts to contain the emergency left by Katrina slipped into chaos in parts of New Orleans Tuesday with some police officers and firefighters joining looters in picking stores clean.
At the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas Street, an initial effort to hand out provisions to stranded citizens quickly disintegrated into mass looting. Authorities at the scene said bedlam erupted after the giveaway was announced over the radio.
While many people carried out food and essential supplies, others cleared out jewelry racks and carted out computers, TVs and appliances on handtrucks.
Some officers joined in taking whatever they could, including one New Orleans cop who loaded a shopping cart with a compact computer and a 27-inchn flat-screen television. Officers claimed there was nothing they could do to contain the anarchy, saying their radio communications have broken down and they had no direction from commanders.
??We don??t have enough cops to stop it,? an officer said. ??A mass riot would break out if you tried.?
Inside the store, the scene alternated between celebration and frightening bedlam. A shirtless man straddled a broken jewelry case, yelling, ??Free samples, free samples over here.?
Another man rolled a mechanized pallet, stacked six feet high with cases of vodka and whiskey. Perched atop the stack was a bewildered toddler.
Throughout the store and parking lot, looters pushed carts and loaded trucks and vans alongside officers. One man said police directed him to Wal-Mart from Robert??s Grocery, where a similar scene was taking place. A crowd in the electronics section said one officer broke the glass DVD case so people wouldn??t cut themselves.
??The police got all the best stuff. They??re crookeder than us,? one man said.
Most officers, though, simply stood by powerless against the tide of law-breakers.
One veteran officer said, ??It??s like this everywhere in the city. This tiny number of cops can??t do anything about this. It??s wide open.?
At least one officer tried futilely to control a looter through shame.
??When they say take what you need, that doesn??t mean an f-ing TV,? the officer shouted to a looter. ??This is a hurricane, not a free-for-all.?
Sandra Smith of Baton Rouge walked through the parking lot with a 12-pack of Bud Light under each arm. ??I came down here to get my daughters,? she said, ??but I can??t find them.?
The scene turned so chaotic at times that entrances were blocked by the press of people and shopping carts and traffic jams sprouted on surrounding streets.
Some groups organized themselves into assembly lines to more efficiently cart off goods.
Toni Williams, 25, packed her trunk with essential supplies, such as food and water, but said mass looting disgusted and frightened her.
??I didn??t feel safe. Some people are going overboard,? she said.
Inside the store, one woman was stocking up on make-up. She said she took comfort in watching police load up their own carts.
??It must be legal,? she said. ??The police are here taking stuff, too.?
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This entire situation disgusts me.
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Jesus Christ, Tokyo was rebuilt and so was Dresden. And that was 60 years ago when the technology we have today wasnt around. AND those countries were broke off their asses and did it with foreign aid. New Orleans is a fairly large city in the richest country in the universe.
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Absolutely wrong. Switzerland is the richest country in the world. We just have the best credit because we only pay minimum payments.