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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: jl on April 16, 2005, 11:02:00 am
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At the risk of everyone saying -- I told you so-- I just want to highly recommend parking at the 9:30 club pay lot. I was previously always comfortable finding nearby street parking, but during Thursday's moby show our car was broken into-- front window smashed, items stolen from trunk... not worth it. When the police arrived, he just looked at us and said, "you guys were at the 9:30 club, right?"
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that sucks
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I'm just wondering...was the cost of the damage to your car and whatever was stolen cost more than the $9 parking fee. (taking into consideration tickets.scams pound of flesh)
Bet you'll pay Seth his protection money next time.....huh?
BTW, if it was my club I would have free parking on a first come first served basis to encourage folk to show up early and pay my extremely overpriced beer prices....while giving exposure to the support bands at the same time.
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if it was your club you'd be closed in a month
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
if it was your club you'd be closed in a month
So parking revenue is the fine line between black and red of our beloved club?
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yeah, unfortunately the cost of the stolen stuff was more... the window cost $250 to repair (insurance didn't cover). All credit cards were cancelled, so hopefully that will not be a problem. But, text books were also missing... about $100 for those.
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Originally posted by jl:
yeah, unfortunately the cost of the stolen stuff was more... the window cost $250 to repair (insurance didn't cover). All credit cards were cancelled, so hopefully that will not be a problem. But, text books were also missing... about $100 for those.
Out of curiosity, did you put a purse, wallet, or something like that, in your trunk after you parked your car?
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Originally posted by jl:
yeah, unfortunately the cost of the stolen stuff was more... the window cost $250 to repair (insurance didn't cover). All credit cards were cancelled, so hopefully that will not be a problem. But, text books were also missing... about $100 for those.
So you actually left your credit cards in the car? Hope your Street-Smarts 101 textbook wasn't taken......You're gonna need that one.
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Originally posted by chaz:
So you actually left your credit cards in the car? Hope your Street-Smarts 101 textbook wasn't taken......You're gonna need that one.
O Professor Of The Streets, would it have been better to carry the credit cards on your person and risk dropping them in the crowd or getting them taken by a mugger? since the car itself is worth around at least $10,000 adding a couple credit cards into the mix (which are protected against fraud) doesn't seem like a big leap.
And its not like the 9:30 lot is that different from parking on the street...the club assumes no liability. I found one of my headlights smashed after a show, having parked in the lot. The attendant didn't give a shit and neither did employees at the club. Needless to say I haven't parked in the club lot since and haven't had any problems.
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Originally posted by meowmeowmeow:
O Professor Of The Streets, would it have been better to carry the credit cards on your person and risk dropping them in the crowd or getting them taken by a mugger?
No, it would have been better to just leave them at home, since they apparently weren't needed.
Drop them in the crowd? Do you just carry them in your hands all night?
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I guess I should be more careful with my briefcases full of twenty dollar bills when I park around there for shows now.
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Originally posted by meowmeowmeow:
O Professor Of The Streets, would it have been better to carry the credit cards on your person and risk dropping them in the crowd or getting them taken by a mugger?
Good point, Meow-mix. Next time I go someplace at night I think I'll leave my credit cards, hell...my whole wallet maybe even my keys in the car. Oh wait.....that's what POCKETS are for.
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you people with your nice cars worth all that overpriced money. i drive my beat up ride with cans and trash on the floor board (to blend in with the street) and a george jones cd on the seat. that keeps those hoodies away from my vehicle every time. everything in this world comprises nothing more than the outside appearance.
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you would be wise to read this article (https://secure.washingtoncitypaper.com/cgi-bin/Archive/abridged2.bat?path=q:\DocRoot/2005/050325/B&search=smash%20grab&SearchString=smash+grab&AuthorLastName=&IssueDate=mm%2Fdd%2Fyyyy&SelectYear=All&next.x=47&next.y=18).
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
if it was your club you'd be closed in a month
But what a month!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Originally posted by walkonby:
overpriced money.
huh?
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I have a kill switch on my car that takes a key to use. and i keep nothing, i repeat, nothing in my car....and then I roll the windows down when i park it at the club.
this way, no one ever breaks the windows and the worst i have is some scumbag routing through my owner's manual and Hustler Club flyers (which are placed on my windshield every day outside work and i dont like to litter)
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Originally posted by white man from town:
Originally posted by walkonby:
overpriced money.
huh? [/b]
That's any foriegn currency by looking at the value of the mighty $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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oh, oh, oh.... my turn!
(boardie regulars can skip reading this-- you've heard it all before!)
Maybe you could just leave your whole damn car home? I mean, DC has this schmancy thing called Metro (pronounced Meh-trow) that will take you to the show at an affordable price (cheaper than parking) AND you don't have to worry about its windows being smashed, or even about you being smashed! Works swell, no?
By the way-- I've never had a BIKE stolen or smashed at the club. That's another loverly option.
Oh, and maybe you have feet? You can always walk on those. The club does allow us to walk there.
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Chimbly....I've always wondered - Do you by any chance work for a transportation related non-profit?
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Originally posted by chaz:
Chimbly....I've always wondered - Do you by any chance work for a transportation related non-profit?
I doubt it or else she would have mentioned the Ust bus link to Woodley Park metro. Its 25cents and if you are drunk the drivers let you on for free.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
oh, oh, oh.... my turn!
(boardie regulars can skip reading this-- you've heard it all before!)
Maybe you could just leave your whole damn car home? I mean, DC has this schmancy thing called Metro (pronounced Meh-trow) that will take you to the show at an affordable price (cheaper than parking) AND you don't have to worry about its windows being smashed, or even about you being smashed! Works swell, no?
By the way-- I've never had a BIKE stolen or smashed at the club. That's another loverly option.
Oh, and maybe you have feet? You can always walk on those. The club does allow us to walk there.
*alert to chimbly* *alert to chimbly*
we dont all live in DC, remember!!!!
:) but perhaps if i started walking now, i could make it by the time Saul hits the stage....
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Originally posted by chaz:
Chimbly....I've always wondered - Do you by any chance work for a transportation related non-profit?
No, but I know people who do... I used to work for Sierra Club, about 3 yrs ago.
I do work part time in a bike shop tho'.
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Have you ever heard of STPP or Rails to Trails? I worked for both of those groups for like 5 years.
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by chaz:
Chimbly....I've always wondered - Do you by any chance work for a transportation related non-profit?
No, but I know people who do... I used to work for Sierra Club, about 3 yrs ago.
I do work part time in a bike shop tho'. [/b]
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Originally posted by chaz:
Have you ever heard of STPP or Rails to Trails? I worked for both of those groups for like 5 years.
Of course! STPP is actually one of my favorite orgs-- I would die to work for 'em as an organizer or something. What smart people. Smart.
For those of you unknowing, it's the Surface Transportation Policy Project, at http://www.stpp.org/ (http://www.stpp.org/)
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by chaz:
Have you ever heard of STPP or Rails to Trails? I worked for both of those groups for like 5 years.
What smart people. Smart.
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Thanks! ;)
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Originally posted by white man from town:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
oh, oh, oh.... my turn!
(boardie regulars can skip reading this-- you've heard it all before!)
Maybe you could just leave your whole damn car home? I mean, DC has this schmancy thing called Metro (pronounced Meh-trow) that will take you to the show at an affordable price (cheaper than parking) AND you don't have to worry about its windows being smashed, or even about you being smashed! Works swell, no?
By the way-- I've never had a BIKE stolen or smashed at the club. That's another loverly option.
Oh, and maybe you have feet? You can always walk on those. The club does allow us to walk there.
*alert to chimbly* *alert to chimbly*
we dont all live in DC, remember!!!!
:) but perhaps if i started walking now, i could make it by the time Saul hits the stage.... [/b]
Yeah, and don't forget the fact that the Metro closes at 12 during the week. I don't want to leave a show earlier because I fear missing the last train.
And walking??? You don't know that neighbourhood, do you??
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Originally posted by Miss MaRpIe:
Originally posted by chaz:
Chimbly....I've always wondered - Do you by any chance work for a transportation related non-profit?
I doubt it or else she would have mentioned the Ust bus link to Woodley Park metro. Its 25cents and if you are drunk the drivers let you on for free. [/b]
I love that bus....though the 90 is the BESTEST (goes right by my building...)
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Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
And walking??? You don't know that neighbourhood, do you??
I do, and I walk around there all the time. What are you scurrrrred of? the new 500k+ condos going up?
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Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
And walking??? You don't know that neighbourhood, do you??
Clearly, I know it better than you, Alien.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
And walking??? You don't know that neighbourhood, do you??
Clearly, I know it better than you, Alien. [/b]
Why, do you live there? I was told by so many people that I shouldn't walk through this area at nighttime and I am sure I am not going to do it.
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Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
Why, do you live there? I was told by so many people that I shouldn't walk through this area at nighttime and I am sure I am not going to do it. [/b]
Duh.
Those many people who so poorly counseled you probably live in the suburbs and are afraid of Black folks. And maybe you are too. But the neighborhood is just fine.
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I wouldnt be scared to walk around in that neighborhood.
but i guess its different if you are a girl (or can be, yes, chimbles, i know you're a girl)
also, if you are really afraid, just wait til the shows over and leave, i cant see there being a mugging as 1000 people leave the club.
the breakins probably only happen cause people know its a bunch of suburbians who are all inside a loud club.....car burglars and muggers are generally different sorts of people...
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
But the neighborhood is just fine.
13 murders, 24 sexual assaults, 740 robberies, 593 aggravated assaults, 680 burglaries, 3,383 larcenies, 1,159 stolen cars, and 11 arsons in the neighborhood last year.
It is getting better -- through March of this year there have only been 124 assualts with a deadly weapon in the third district - eight percent less than the same period last year!!
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don't be such a snark, ggw, those #'s are for the ENTIRE third district, which covers about 5 neighborhoods, of which I would argue the area surrounding 930 is among the best. That includes, say, Shaw, and Petworth, and...
but that's ok. post statistics without explaining what all they cover. it's sure to convince people that their fears are based on some twisted reality instead of sheer racism.
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Are you trying to say that the statistics are fakes created by frightened white suburbanites? Or is "crime" really a "code word?"
The MPD - unfortunately - doesn't provide any further breakdown. The Third District also covers some relatively toney neighborhoods.
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i'm saying that you can't claim that happened in a 10-block radius of the club-- or anywhere near it-- when those stats are for 1/7 of the city, parts of which really are in sketch neighborhoods. those numbers aren't representative at all.
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If you have some better numbers, throw them out there.
There are more violent crimes in the Third District alone than in the entirety of Fairfax County.
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
i'm saying that you can't claim that happened in a 10-block radius of the club-- or anywhere near it-- when those stats are for 1/7 of the city, parts of which really are in sketch neighborhoods. those numbers aren't representative at all.
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homesick, you've been told this by people who are afraid of urban environments where black people hang out ... the area around 930 club is a college town (howard) and nightlife central (upper U street)
statistics aside, it's no less safe than any other neighborhood in DC ... scattered muggings and robberies occur everywhere, even in lily-white areas like georgetown and cleveland park (where someone was just stabbed for their ipod)
i'm sure these same people would tell you not to worry at all while walking around georgetown alone at 3am, but it's the same damn situation, just keep your wits about you.
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ok, why don't you go open a club in fairfax county then? i really don't see the relevance.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
i really don't see the relevance.
The relevance is your bullshit accusation that HomesickAlien is only concerned because he's been misled by white suburbanites who are afraid of black people.
Do you know HomesickAlien? Have you ever met him? Do you know who is friends are? Or what they may have told him?
I guess it doesn't really matter. If someone dares to express any concern about the city, you can just blame it on their racism.
Real nice....
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i think the point is that people unfairly tag the u street area as "dangerous" as compared to lily-white areas of DC like georgetown, cleveland park, and foggy bottom.
as a resident of georgetown for 4 years, i can tell you there were countless muggings, shootings, sexual assaults and all the rest.
people who don't really know the city think of georgetown as "white" and "safe" and u street as "black" and "dangerous" ... which is just plain wrong ... you disagree?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
If you have some better numbers, throw them out there.
There are more violent crimes in the Third District alone than in the entirety of Fairfax County.
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
i'm saying that you can't claim that happened in a 10-block radius of the club-- or anywhere near it-- when those stats are for 1/7 of the city, parts of which really are in sketch neighborhoods. those numbers aren't representative at all.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
homesick, you've been told this by people who are afraid of urban environments where black people hang out
You people with your knee-jerk "Oh, he's just afraid of black people" reactions, crack me up.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Real nice....
It's always my goal, you know, to be nice.
ggw, this conversation is about someone who doesn't live here trying to tell us, who do, that our neighborhood is unsafe. and us using our brains and experiences to dispel the myth.
and then you throw completely irrelevant statistics out there-- irrelevant because their scope is way larger than the area in question.
i'm defensive of my city. i like my city. i like living here and working here and biking here and drinking here and walking here... and i take offense when people who don't know what they're talking about trash my city.
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why are chimbly and hoya so quick to call people racists??? i mean, hoya does it all the time!! just because someone tells me some neighborhood is bad, and i believe them, doesnt mean i am a racist.
I can read the whole thread again, but i dont think anyone but you two brought up anything about black or white.
you know, just because you moved to the city for college and have been here since does NOT mean you are a hardened city dweller.
your redneck past is nipping at your heels... :)
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
ggw, this conversation is about someone who doesn't live here trying to tell us, who do, that our neighborhood is unsafe. and us using our brains and experiences to dispel the myth.
if you read the first post, all this person did was suggest you paying for parking cause he/she lost a whole shitload of thier belongings outside the club and the cop seemed to react like it happens all the time.....
then everyone got thier panties in a bunch....
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i don't mean to speak for chimbley here, but i think she's referring to a general sentiment and (unfairly or not) applied it to homesick's situation.
whenever i meet people who grew up in mostly-white areas of virginia like fredericksburg or something, they all express amazement that i frequent other parts of DC other than georgetown and upper downtown ... call it whatever you like, but many of these people are just afraid of urban environments that aren't nearly exclusively white ...
when someone says, "don't walk around the 930 club area because its dangerous," maybe it's because of some kind of personal experience or something, but more often than not the person wouldn't be able to give you a real reason, because their concern is rooted in fear and ignorance.
are you lot just being contrarian? this "latent racism" or "ignorance" or whatever you want to call it seems pretty damn obvious to me and is reinforced often when i speak to someone who grew up around this city but never really went/goes into it.
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Originally posted by white man from town:
you know, just because you moved to the city for college and have been here since does NOT mean you are a hardened city dweller.
um, hello. i think we all know I went to college in wisconsin-- why the hell else would i be a badger fan?
i've been here over 5 years, all living in the city, bike commuting, and 2 of those years working in anacostia based in an office in anacostia on local issues. i know more about ward 7 & 8 than most people who grew up in dc west of the anacostia, and i'm not taking any crap from anyone about being a newbie. i care enough about this city to learn about it, ALL of it, and its past.
and i didn't call Alien a racist. But the perception of the neighborhood as "bad" is often based on seeing black people around. it's a common leap people make.
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and where did you grow up Mr. PC-Hoyasaxa?
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
it's a common leap people make.
like calling suburbanites racists?
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And where did you grow up, whitey? Let's see your street cred.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
And where did you grow up, whitey? Let's see your street cred.
Toronto, silly.
and believe it or not....i live in a much nicer neighborhood now, than the one i grew up in there....
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Originally posted by white man from town:
just because someone tells me some neighborhood is bad, and i believe them, doesnt mean i am a racist.
of course not, you're completely missing the (my?) point ... people (more than you'd think, apparently) unfairly peg all black neighborhoods in this city as dangerous, and unfairly peg all white neighborhoods as safe
does everyone do this? no, of course not, but in my experience many people who don't know the city well and grew up in a white suburb make this mistake
hell, i'm no better than the rest of them ... i grew up in lily-white sarasota florida and it took me a year or so to get past my own ignorance and ingrained biases to feel comfortable in this city
all of that said, i agree with chimbley that i want to defend my adopted city and let people know they don't have to be afraid to walk many of the streets around here ... sure there's still dangerous parts, but the area around the 930 club really isn't one of them
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I thought it was Tronno.
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Originally posted by white man from town:
like calling suburbanites racists?
Any historian can tell you that the main reason DC suburbs were established IS racism. It goes something like this:
- The Federal Government requires DC to desegregate its schools.
- White people flee to areas where there won't be black people to integrate with.
In fact, if you look at yearbooks for Anacostia High, in 1961, it's all white. In 1962-63, there are a few black students. By 1964, it's almost all black. It's that obvious. (Brown v Board of Ed was '54, but DC took a while)
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Originally posted by white man from town:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
it's a common leap people make.
like calling suburbanites racists? [/b]
i know it's fun to be contrarian (trust me, i know), but chimbly is completely right here, it IS a common leap people make ... how could you disagree with that?
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Originally posted by white man from town:
like calling suburbanites racists?
i agree that i throw around the term "racist" too much ... i should more often use "ignorant" or "sheltered," both of which applied to me as of 1999 (and still some now), so i'm not any saint here
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Originally posted by econo:
I thought it was Tronno.
shhhhhhhhh
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So, how do you explain areas of PG County, Montgomery County, etc? There was Black Flight as well.
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by white man from town:
like calling suburbanites racists?
Any historian can tell you that the main reason DC suburbs were established IS racism. It goes something like this:
- The Federal Government requires DC to desegregate its schools.
- White people flee to areas where there won't be black people to integrate with.
In fact, if you look at yearbooks for Anacostia High, in 1961, it's all white. In 1962-63, there are a few black students. By 1964, it's almost all black. It's that obvious. (Brown v Board of Ed was '54, but DC took a while) [/b]
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i agree that i throw around the term "racist" too much ... i should more often use "ignorant" or "sheltered," both of which applied to me as of 1999 (and still some now), so i'm not any saint here
I dunno, Hoya. I believe in calling it like it is.
Being ignorant and sheltered (as our parents wanted us to be!) doesn't make you racist, but making assumptions about people based on their skin color does.
I'm really sick of how people never call racism when they see it, which really lets people get away with it. Is it harsh? Yes, but it's true and it helps solve the problem. If we started telling people "gosh, i don't mean to be harsh, but your assumption is racist," maybe they'd start thinking a little harder.
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Originally posted by econo:
So, how do you explain areas of PG County, Montgomery County, etc? There was Black Flight as well.
It again has a lot to do with schools. As in, when wealthy people left town, the tax base shrank and the schools disintegrated (pun intended). So, naturally, folks who could afford it of any race were going to move to where schools were better.
Also, let's not discount that racism goes both ways. Plenty of Black folks in DC don't allow their kids to date white, and want nothing to do with white folks. Integration was tough on both ends.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i agree that i throw around the term "racist" too much ... i should more often use "ignorant" or "sheltered," both of which applied to me as of 1999 (and still some now), so i'm not any saint here
I dunno, Hoya. I believe in calling it like it is.
Being ignorant and sheltered (as our parents wanted us to be!) doesn't make you racist, but making assumptions about people based on their skin color does.
I'm really sick of how people never call racism when they see it, which really lets people get away with it. Is it harsh? Yes, but it's true and it helps solve the problem. If we started telling people "gosh, i don't mean to be harsh, but your assumption is racist," maybe they'd start thinking a little harder. [/b]
touche, well said ... i just think that the term "racist" is so loaded and so attached with the imagery of hate that it's a tough term to throw around ... i tend to think of "racists" as people who hate, not people who are just ignorant ... but you make good points ...
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here's a heartfelt chimbly apology...
i'm sorry that i have somehow helped to hijack a thread about parking and turn it into a debate/discussion of racism and dc history. i have a little too much time on my hands at work today. i am not a hater, but i'm anti-racist, and i believe in working with people to get over it. we just need to get out of our comfy boxes...
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by chaz:
Have you ever heard of STPP or Rails to Trails? I worked for both of those groups for like 5 years.
Of course! STPP is actually one of my favorite orgs-- I would die to work for 'em as an organizer or something. What smart people. Smart.
For those of you unknowing, it's the Surface Transportation Policy Project, at http://www.stpp.org/ (http://www.stpp.org/) [/b]
for those of you who are interested, check out http://embarq.wri.org/ (http://embarq.wri.org/) ... it's a transportation project we have here and it's doing some top-notch stuff with public transport in mexico city, shanghai, etc ...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
whenever i meet people who grew up in mostly-white areas of virginia like fredericksburg or something, they all express amazement that i frequent other parts of DC other than georgetown and upper downtown ... call it whatever you like, but many of these people are just afraid of urban environments that aren't nearly exclusively white ...
HomesickAlien is from Fredericksburg?
A poor choice for your example -- Fredericksburg has a higher representation of blacks in its population than either the Commonwealth or the nation as a whole.
It is you that are making the bogus assumptions.
It is you who is projecting your ignorance onto others.
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now you're boring us all to death.
two pasty white urban transplants discussing the way of a world they only read about and walk by from time to time...... ho hum.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
whenever i meet people who grew up in mostly-white areas of virginia like fredericksburg or something, they all express amazement that i frequent other parts of DC other than georgetown and upper downtown ... call it whatever you like, but many of these people are just afraid of urban environments that aren't nearly exclusively white ...
HomesickAlien is from Fredericksburg?
A poor choice for your example -- Fredericksburg has a higher representation of blacks in its population than either the Commonwealth or the nation as a whole.
It is you that are making the bogus assumptions.
It is you who is projecting your ignorance onto others. [/b]
as i said before, this has morphed from talking specifically about where homesickalien got his stuff from to a general discussion on racism or ignorance in the area
i used fredericksburg as an example because recently i have met many people from that town and caroline county and without exception all of them held the views i described previously ... hey, its just a small sample and certainly not a scientific poll like those point-and-click jobs on cnn and espn, but i'd venture to say that 80% of the people i've met who grew up in this area but not in DC hold the views i talked about earlier ... again, this is just my personal experience, i may just have met the wrong people.
do you honestly think that what i said previously about the ignorance many people have who grow up in lily-white rural or suburban areas (including myself) towards urban environments is without merit? i'm not certainly not a sociologist, but i would venture to guess that surveys/studies have been done on this.
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Originally posted by white man from town:
two pasty white ...
hey. i'm not pasty. i got quite the sunburn this lunch hour.
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Originally posted by white man from town:
now you're boring us all to death.
two pasty white urban transplants discussing the way of a world they only read about and walk by from time to time...... ho hum.
modus operandi:
1) poke and prod
2) engage in debate, not really wanting to talk about the issue but snarkily dismissing points
3) declare debate which you helped start dead and boring
and from chimbly's description of her job, i wouldn't flippantly say what you just did ... for me on the other hand, yeah, pretty much :)
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I have found the area that I grew up in, Wheaton, MD, to be as diverse, if not more than DC.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
but i'd venture to say that 80% of the people i've met who grew up in this area but not in DC hold the views i talked about earlier ... again, this is just my personal experience, i may just have met the wrong people.
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Originally posted by econo:
I have found the area that I grew up in, Wheaton, MD, to be as diverse, if not more than DC.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
but i'd venture to say that 80% of the people i've met who grew up in this area but not in DC hold the views i talked about earlier ... again, this is just my personal experience, i may just have met the wrong people.
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well there you go, i'm sure there are plenty of people like you out there econo ... i said from the beginning that i was just speaking from personal experience ... it probably doesn't help that i went to a catholic university and most of the people i met from the DC area during my time there went to catholic schools in the suburbs
that said, i wouldn't retract my earlier statements, but i'd emphasize that what i said wasn't categorical, of course there are many who don't fall into the rubrick i described.
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Well, I am neither from Fredericksburg nor am I a "him". I am a girl and I live near Cleveland Park. To be honest, I wouldn't walk in ANY DC neighbourhood during nighttime. It has nothing to do with racism. One of the guys who told me to not spend too much time outside the 9:30 neighbourhood was black. One time I was walking from a concert to get to my car - almost just across the street and then he was coming and he told me that I must have lost my mind to walk through this area. He said that I really not seem to know what is going on there. So I just transferred his words to you.
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Well, Alien, I feel bad for you that you feel unsafe walking in the neighborhoods of your own city at night. If you have your head up, listen, watch shadows, and are smart, most of dc is just fine to walk in at night. I'm a white girl and i do it all the time-- even in Anacostia.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
do you honestly think that what i said previously about the ignorance many people have who grow up in lily-white rural or suburban areas (including myself) towards urban environments is without merit? i'm not certainly not a sociologist, but i would venture to guess that surveys/studies have been done on this.
I think that neither you nor Chimbley lived here in the late-eighties.
I'm old enough to remember when 14th street NW was a synonym for "crime." I'm old enough to recall when the streets off 14th and above U were crack central. They dropped a "mobile precinct" just a few blocks from where the club is today to deal with the violent crime.
When I hear someone say that the area around 9:30 is unsafe, my instinct tells me that they just haven't been down there in many years.
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where the hell is Rhett?
i am sure he has some interesting thoughts on this....
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
do you honestly think that what i said previously about the ignorance many people have who grow up in lily-white rural or suburban areas (including myself) towards urban environments is without merit? i'm not certainly not a sociologist, but i would venture to guess that surveys/studies have been done on this.
I think that neither you nor Chimbley lived here in the late-eighties.
I'm old enough to remember when 14th street NW was a synonym for "crime." I'm old enough to recall when the streets off 14th and above U were crack central. They dropped a "mobile precinct" just a few blocks from where the club is today to deal with the violent crime.
When I hear someone say that the area around 9:30 is unsafe, my instinct tells me that they just haven't been down there in many years. [/b]
fair enough ... i agree with you, people may just be stuck in how they perceived the city in the 80s and that would really just make them ignorant to the situation as it exists today (and for the last 5 years or so)
one of my jobs in college was to call g'town alumn and raise money (god, that sucked) ... whenever we called law school alumns from the 80s we'd never get shit and usually hear a mouthful about how their experience down by union station in those years was harrowing
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
If you have your head up, listen, watch shadows, and are smart, most of dc is just fine to walk in at night. I'm a white girl and i do it all the time-- even in Anacostia.
You say "most", so you must think somewhere is unsafe. Where do you consider to be unsafe?
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Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
To be honest, I wouldn't walk in ANY DC neighbourhood during nighttime.
really? that's sad.
Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
One of the guys who told me to not spend too much time outside the 9:30 neighbourhood was black. One time I was walking from a concert to get to my car - almost just across the street and then he was coming and he told me that I must have lost my mind to walk through this area. He said that I really not seem to know what is going on there. So I just transferred his words to you.
homesick -- sorry to inject all this other stuff into this, my thoughts largely weren't specific to your situation ... that said, i personally think your friend was overreacting
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
homesick, you've been told this by people who are afraid of urban environments where black people hang out
i should have started this with more general statements rather than assuming how your situation was, sorry homesick
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I think that neither you nor Chimbley lived here in the late-eighties.
I'm old enough to remember when 14th street NW was a synonym for "crime." I'm old enough to recall when the streets off 14th and above U were crack central. They dropped a "mobile precinct" just a few blocks from where the club is today to deal with the violent crime.
When I hear someone say that the area around 9:30 is unsafe, my instinct tells me that they just haven't been down there in many years.
i was talking about this last week with a friend who left here several years ago, I arrived here in 1994, and even then the area around logan circle and 14th and Massachusetts were way different than they are now, people coming to visit would marvel at how many prostitutes were walking around there when driving by on Mass Ave (yes DRIVING, not frequenting ;) )
and for the longest time i was told to stay west of 16th when in Mount Pleasant and Adams Morgan, the city has changed a lot in the 10 years I have been here, so I guess in short, I would agree with GGW in a lot of cases, one of the reasons I will probably end up leaving dc eventually is that I think a lot of the changes are for the worse, but that is a whole other conversation
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The Third District also covers some relatively toney neighborhoods.
I did a comparison of zip codes 20009 and 20008 when I was looking at a condo in Columbia Heights. The stats for 20008 (Kalorama, Woodley Park, Cleveland Park, Van Ness) were WAY worse than 20009 (East Dupont, Adams Morgan, Columbia Heights). Made little sense, actually, because the 20008 numbers were so high!
By the way, I would not walk by myself at night more than a block or two off of U Street (could be a chick thing, and it depends on which blocks, really...). And there's no problem walking to and from the club because it's close to U and there are always a lot of people around when I'm arriving/leaving. While I agree there are no worries going to and leaving a show, it isn't insane for someone to advise against walking the neighborhood at night...
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I am not originally from D.C. so I do not know how safe or unsafe it is in here. I just know that I don't want to test it, so I rather stay away from walking during nighttime! That is all, it has nothing to do with neighbourhoods or black and white.
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although i didn't get here until 97, i definately wouldn't walk around logan circle, mt. vernon, u street or even parts of capitol hill at night back then. . .having said that, i walked from rfk to eastern market, and back to my house near union station last night. you should be able to walk u street from adams morgan to 930 with little to no problems though.
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I've lived in DC for 12 years, in the surrounding MD suburbs my whole life before that and I've worked in the city since 1984. I've been mugged 4 times in my life, twice in the MD suburbs and twice in DC. I was jumped and beaten outside of One Flight Up in Tenleytown in 1984, and robbed at gunpoint by crackheads in Georgetown in 1990, which was the last time I was mugged. Since someone brought race into the discussion, for the record 2 of the attacks were perpetrated by white people, 2 of them were by black people.
I'm with you Alien, I don't walk around in any neighborhood in the city alone late at night, and I don't need Chimbly or anybody else feeling "bad" for me because of it. I don't see the point in taking unnecessary chances and I'd really rather not get mugged ever again in this or any city.
I do whatever I feel I need to do to feel safe at home and on the road, which may or may not be what others feel comfortable with, and you should too.
This neighborhood has changed a lot for the better since we relocated here in 1996, and I think we've certainly had something to do with that. But things can happen in any urban area, in any city, so it's best not to leave anything visible inside your car and don't carry credit cards or other valuables with you that you don't need. And don't load a bunch of stuff into the trunk after parking your car in any urban area, you never know who might be watching.
FYI if you are at the 9:30 Club solo and really don't feel comfortable walking out to your car alone, ask one of the door staph, they will help you out. And as someone has already mentioned, usually everyone is leaving here at once anyway so there's plenty of other people walking to the Metro and the surrounding parking areas.
Originally posted by HomesickAlien:
Well, I am neither from Fredericksburg nor am I a "him". I am a girl and I live near Cleveland Park. To be honest, I wouldn't walk in ANY DC neighbourhood during nighttime. It has nothing to do with racism. One of the guys who told me to not spend too much time outside the 9:30 neighbourhood was black. One time I was walking from a concert to get to my car - almost just across the street and then he was coming and he told me that I must have lost my mind to walk through this area. He said that I really not seem to know what is going on there. So I just transferred his words to you.
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uh oh, i am going to the 930 club tonight to see a black performer.....do you think that will raise or lower my chances of being mugged outside?
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Originally posted by sonickteam3:
uh oh, i am going to the 930 club tonight to see a black performer.....do you think that will raise or lower my chances of being mugged outside?
You're pretty fly.......for a white guy!
Whatever you do though, do NOT refer to the darkies as "my brotha" or "my *igga", that's strictly their thing.
;)
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Originally posted by twangirl:
I'm with you Alien, I don't walk around in any neighborhood in the city alone late at night, and I don't need Chimbly or anybody else feeling "bad" for me because of it. I don't see the point in taking unnecessary chances and I'd really rather not get mugged ever again in this or any city.
I'm just saying it must feel terrible to not feel limited as to where you can go when. It's almost like in the Victorian era when there were "women's spaces" in public but women weren't allowed elsewhere. I would be very frustrated if I limited where I could walk at night. So I don't.