930 Forums
=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: palahniukkubrick on June 06, 2004, 01:39:00 am
-
Ronald Reagan died.
-
yaaaaaaaay
need to crack open a bottle for that one.........
can't be long till maggie kick's it either............i feel the need to get on a plane and dance on her grave when she does finally croak...............
-
anyone ever note the irony in naming National airport after him? (he fired a zillion air traffic controllers.)
-
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
anyone ever note the irony in naming National airport after him? (he fired a zillion air traffic controllers.)
Of course, he also opposed imposing federal expenses on states, and VA had quite a bit of expense in changing over signage, official materials, etc.
You'll notice there are quite a few people who still call it National.
The saddest part about Reagan's death for me is that now we have to hear about him constantly for days and weeks and the tributes and the t.v. coverage and....cripes.
-
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
The saddest part about Reagan's death for me is that now we have to hear about him constantly for days and weeks and the tributes and the t.v. coverage and....cripes.
Wait until they start talking about replacing Jackson on the $20 bill with Reagan, or putting his face on Mt. Rushmore.
-
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
anyone ever note the irony in naming National airport after him? (he fired a zillion air traffic controllers.)
Of course,
You'll notice there are quite a few people who still call it National.[/b]
What? The airport has another name? ;)
-
Originally posted by poorlulu:
yaaaaaaaay
need to crack open a bottle for that one.........
can't be long till maggie kick's it either............i feel the need to get on a plane and dance on her grave when she does finally croak...............
Who is Maggie :o ?
-
on R not L...
:o ? [/QB][/quote]
-
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
You'll notice there are quite a few people who still call it National.
I'm one of them!
Always knew it as National (after moving to D.C. in 1992) - have not made the switch to the "full" name and will not do so. ;)
I completely disagree with nearly all of the policies/presidency of Ronald Reagan (and don't believe he deserved ANY accolades or things named after him - buildings/airports/airforce carries - yikes!) - I think he set this country back tons - but he was the first U.S. president I was exposed to, after moving to this country in 1981.
I knew so many people who revered him, and even had/have pictures up of him in their house.
It's a shame his death occured *now* - takes away from D-Day quite a bit ...
Ack.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
-
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
You'll notice there are quite a few people who still call it National.
Yes, considering the name change (Reagan in front of Washington wtf!?!) came about without approval from the county board or input from arlingtonians.
-
Why don't you losers have some respect for the guy?
He didn't put his dick down any intern's throat, and he didn't start any wars.
Alzheimer's is definitely a shitty way to go.
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Alzheimer's is definitely a shitty way to go.
The joke about his alzheimer's is that when he got it how could they tell?
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why don't you losers have some respect for the guy?
He didn't put his dick down any intern's throat, and he didn't start any wars.
Alzheimer's is definitely a shitty way to go.
Oops. I sized down on my original post. Originally I wrote that it is sad that he died. And it is very unfortunate that he suffered so long with a horrible illness. As a kid, I remember being sad when he was shot. Sorry I didn't include these statements. That aside, in regard to his political role, policies and ironies, people have their opinions. You might not agree with them, but I don't think it's disrespectful to discuss [here].
-
i was born in his last year in office(88). so i won't judge him. those news specials were annoying as hell. i wanted to hear about iraq... :roll:
bush killed him to take eyes off the war (and get a couple more votes....)
-
Originally posted by palahniukkubrick:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Alzheimer's is definitely a shitty way to go.
The joke about his alzheimer's is that when he got it how could they tell? [/b]
A few years ago someone I know died of Alzheimer's. We were told at the time that it cannot be diagnosed for certain until an autopsy (on the brain) is performed. I don't know if that is still true. (sorry to turn all serious).
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why don't you losers have some respect for the guy?
He didn't put his dick down any intern's throat, and he didn't start any wars.
Alzheimer's is definitely a shitty way to go.
Do you really care if a president has sexual relationships with an intern? Who cares about that? What should worry you are the human atrocities Reagan did in Central America against innocent civilians in Nicaragua or El Salvador.
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
He didn't put his dick down any intern's throat, and he didn't start any wars.
Umm,
well he was a part of the end of the cold war, but his legacy to me revolves around the Iran-contra affair. Where is Oliver North right now? Oh, and what happened to Grenada?
-
Ronnie was OK and he did a lot of good things, but it was not he should get credit for the cold war ending. In fact other president of 'my generation' (had to get the music reference in) were much better. RMN was a far better pres. Too bad he screwed up on CREEP. It was RMN who shold be credited with the ending of the cold war. It was his actions in earlier days that made Ronnie's actions even possible. The big screw up for Ronnie and his boys was their arms for hostages. It not only broke major laws but also HELPED lead to where we are now with terror. So nope Ronnie should not be on money, on a mountain, or have anything named after him. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
-
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Do you really care if a president has sexual relationships with an intern? Who cares about that?
I can only hope that one day i will have a good enough job to need interns, and they will give me oral pleasure. isnt THAT the American dream after all?
-
e gads... now keeping the crazy fascists from renaming every post office, school, street, and lamp pole after him will be a full-time job.
-
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
e gads... now keeping the crazy fascists from renaming every post office, school, street, and lamp pole after him will be a full-time job.
Yes, of course. Because to want to honor a Republican President, one must be a fascist. Makes perfect sense.
I'm struck by the lack of sympathy for Reagan here. Despite ideological opposition, his death is sad. I would / will say the same thing when Clinton passes away.
-
Regardless of political ideologies, I'm certainly going to have admiration for someone who is loving and faithful to his wife, and lose admiration for someone who cheats on his wife with other women repeatedly.
My main point is that cheering someones death, particularly a former president, strikes me as pretty class-less and disrespectful. But I guess it's the internet, so all is fair.
While I did disagree with most of his policies, I'm not going to remember him negatively. I'm going to remember him as a much better president that GW Bush, and a much better human being the Clinton.
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why don't you losers have some respect for the guy?
He didn't put his dick down any intern's throat, and he didn't start any wars.
Alzheimer's is definitely a shitty way to go.
Do you really care if a president has sexual relationships with an intern? Who cares about that? What should worry you are the human atrocities Reagan did in Central America against innocent civilians in Nicaragua or El Salvador. [/b]
-
Federal agencies will be closed Friday as part of the national day of mourning for former president Ronald Reagan, the White House announced last night. In an executive order, President Bush said federal government offices "shall be closed on June 11, 2004, as a mark of respect for Ronald Reagan." Federal offices and programs essential for national defense, homeland security, foreign affairs, law enforcement and other essential business may be kept open, however, at the discretion of agency heads, the order said. Administration officials said additional information would be sent to agencies today on the closing of the government for the Reagan funeral on Friday.
-
well he was a part of the end of the cold war,
Everyone's accepting that as history now; I guess the myth is that by building up our nukes the commies went broke trying to keep up. Then how come the poor warsaw pact countries who spent zip on the arms race ousted the communist party first? If people wanna credit Reagan with something I think de-regulating S&Ls would be more apt
-
Originally posted by keithstg:
I'm struck by the lack of sympathy for Reagan here. Despite ideological opposition, his death is sad.
It's a sad event when anyone dies. Well, almost anyone. But I have a limited amount of sympathy for him. He was 93. Until Alzheimers took over, he lead a long, priviledged life. My biggest beef with him was his lack of action in the early days of AIDS. He treated it as more of a moral issue than a medical issue, resulting in a lack of funding and research. He refused to even say the word "AIDS" in public until 1987. That's inexcusable.
So, no, I don't have a lot of sympathy for his loss. I do, however, feel badly for Nancy, who has probably had a very miserable life for the last 10-15 years.
-
Why begrudge the man for being privileged? He worked his way to that privilege.
Reagan was born in a small town in Illinois. He was born the son of poor parents. In the 1930s, during the Depression, he graduated from college.
He attended high school in nearby Dixon and then worked his way through Eureka College.
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by keithstg:
I'm struck by the lack of sympathy for Reagan here. Despite ideological opposition, his death is sad.
It's a sad event when anyone dies. Well, almost anyone. But I have a limited amount of sympathy for him. He was 93. Until Alzheimers took over, he lead a long, priviledged life. My biggest beef with him was his lack of action in the early days of AIDS. He treated it as more of a moral issue than a medical issue, resulting in a lack of funding and research. He refused to even say the word "AIDS" in public until 1987. That's inexcusable.
So, no, I don't have a lot of sympathy for his loss. I do, however, feel badly for Nancy, who has probably had a very miserable life for the last 10-15 years. [/b]
-
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Regardless of political ideologies, I'm certainly going to have admiration for someone who is loving and faithful to his wife, and lose admiration for someone who cheats on his wife with other women repeatedly.
]
Wasn't Nancy his second wife...wonder if he was loving and faithful to his first wife?
This is the most positive element of Reagans legacy.....
<img src="http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/spittingimag/spittingimagIMAGE/spittingimag1.jpg" alt=" - " />
"The Presidents Brain Is Missing"...now that shit was funny.
Apart from that, Reagan's legacy is a non-starter really, and if you check his approval ratings you'll find most Americans agreed.
-
Originally posted by edbert:
well he was a part of the end of the cold war,
Everyone's accepting that as history now; I guess the myth is that by building up our nukes the commies went broke trying to keep up. Then how come the poor warsaw pact countries who spent zip on the arms race ousted the communist party first? If people wanna credit Reagan with something I think de-regulating S&Ls would be more apt [/b]
building up our nukes? ever heard of salt i and ii? where he got the commies was in his insistence for sdi- after that, the commies couldn't compete.
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why begrudge the man for being privileged?
I don't begrudge him for being priviledged. I'm just saying that for the most part, he had a very long, good life. Most of us should be so lucky to have 80+ good years.
-
they weren't trying- if they went broke it was from afghanistan not star wars
-
I dunno...read this and tell me it wasn't because his first wife was a total bitch.
Four years later the young couple adopted a son, Michael. They were promoted by Warner's as the dream Hollywood couple, and every fan magazine monitored their lives. "Ronnie and I are perfect counterparts for each other. I blow up, and Ronnie just laughs at me. We've never had a quarrel, because he's just too good-natured," said Jane in one interview. Several years after that, the lovebirds became known in the press as "Those Fightin' Reagans," and rumours of a rift in the marriage were rampan. Louella Parson, who trived on such matters, told Jane in a column, "I want to write a story and settle all this talk once and for all." Jane was quoted by Louella as replying, "Believe me, I'm going ot find out who has started all this talk....Can't gossips let us keep our happiness?"
In 1947 the marriage did break up. "We're through," Jane said to a columnist druing a trip to New York. "We're finished, and it's all my fault." Reagan found out about the termination of his marriage when he read it in the column. He have long interviews to Louella and to her archrival, Hedda Hoper, both of whom took his side. "If this comes to a divorce, I'll name Johnny Belinda as a co-espondent," Hedda Hopper quoted him as saying. Jane had become so immersed in her new career as a dramatic actress that she wore pellets wrapped in wax in her ears so that she would not be able to hear during the fliming of the deaf-mute movie. Hedda Hopper had more to say ont he subjec: "I can't really believe it yet. I don't think Ronald Reagan does either. It caught him so flatfooted, so patheically by surprise. I talked ot Ronnie the day he read int he newspapers what Jane should have told her husband first."
They were divorced in 1948, the same year she won the Academy Award. Jane got custody of the two children, and Reagan got weekend visitation rights. Jane testified that her husband's overriding interest in filmland union and political activity had driven them apart. Friends speculated at the time that Jane's emergence as a bona fide star and Reagan's concurrent slide from box-office favour contributed to the breakup. Others felt that Jane was simply bored with him. Before th egovernorship and his truly remarkable rise as a recognized world leader, friends from that periode remember, he did indeed engage in long, ponderous, yawn-producing discourses on a variety of subjects. AN ongoing joke in Hollywood druing his campaing for the governorship of California was a remark attributed to Jane Wyman about her former husband. When asked what he was like, she allegedly said, "If you asked Ronnie the time, he'd tell you how to make a watch."
Originally posted by Bollocks:
]
Wasn't Nancy his second wife...wonder if he was loving and faithful to his first wife?
-
Rhett...all EX-wives are bitches...DUH!
Why so defensive of a President who did NOTHING for minorities, education or aids research while tripling the nations deficit?
What else do you want to name after the fucker for crying out loud? Why not just cut to the chase and rename this town "Reagan DC" and be done with it.
And 93 is a damn good innings if you ask me, I'd be sympathetic if he popped it in his 50's or so...but to live to 93 is pretty eff'n good.
By the way, I absolutely refuse to call National Airport anything but National Airport.
-
I'm not defensive of his actions of president.
I just find mocking his death OFFENSIVE. Regardless of his politics, he carried himself well as a human being, I thought.
It's not like he was a drug-addled self-destructive rock star goon who can't help but ot invite derision and mockery. You know, like Curt Cobain or Layne Staley.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Rhett...all EX-wives are bitches...DUH!
Why so defensive of a President who did NOTHING for minorities, education or aids research while tripling the nations deficit?
What else do you want to name after the fucker for crying out loud? Why not just cut to the chase and rename this town "Reagan DC" and be done with it.
And 93 is a damn good innings if you ask me, I'd be sympathetic if he popped it in his 50's or so...but to live to 93 is pretty eff'n good.
By the way, I absolutely refuse to call National Airport anything but National Airport.
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Layne Staley.
is he still dead then?
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I'm not defensive of his actions of president.
I just find mocking his death OFFENSIVE. Regardless of his politics, he carried himself well as a human being, I thought.
It's not like he was a drug-addled self-destructive rock star goon who can't help but ot invite derision and mockery. You know, like Curt Cobain or Layne Staley.
I think those mocking, and I don't think I was mocking....but anyway, if we are, it's probably a reaction to all the bullshit on the telly over the weekend...You'd think he was the mesiah or something. What cracks me up about the media over here is for example, you get the local news at 6pm and the lead story is "Reagan Dead"...then you get all the tributes and posthumous arse licking for an hour...then at 7pm you get the national news and the lead story is "Reagan Dead" NO SHIT! We've just had it shoved down our throats for the past hour!...then of course you get another hour of posthumous arse licking all over again.
BTW, did ANYTHING else happen that was newsworthy over the weekend, because they sure as shit didn't report on anything else?
-
Dude, he may still be dead, but his music is still alive in the hearts of his fans, from Boise to Dundalk.
Originally posted by poorlulu:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Layne Staley.
is he still dead then? [/b]
-
I shoulda known this board would not be sympathetic to him. Once again, the whole country thinks one way and fifteen morons on this board think another, must be the wanna be rebels in them. It's a sad day when I agree with pretty much everything Rhett says. I have no idea what he did right or wrong cause politics isn't my thing but I'm sure he did a helluva better job then you guys did....Oh wait, you weren't President, he was, and you never will be.
-
sigh... it always turns into one of these messy little arguments. And coincidentally, Rhett is in the minority again. It's sad when anyone dies, true enough. I think what most of the folks are reacting to is the non-stop, never-ending, relentless push by reagan-supporters (who also happen to have prominent roles in the current administration) to make him the be-all end-all. If you liked Reagan, you tend to REALLY like him. And vice-versa. Regardless of his accomplishments, good or bad, he is not the legend his followers make him out to be. And to be beaten over the head with a solid week of this propaganda is a daunting task. It's unfortunate his last years were so difficult, and I do feel for Nancy (even thoguh she's always seemed a bit odd herself). But in the end, his legacy in the eyes of non-republicans is not an entirely positive one. Thus, we quickly grow tired of all the media coverage etc...
-
Hey Guiny, would you feel the same way if it were Clinton who died? Haven't you said some disparaging things about him?
I agree with Keithsg's comments above.
Although I've spent far too much energy defending the honor or someone who I would have never voted for.
So I'll pass that task on to you, and ggw if he wants it, while I go get some work done.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
I shoulda known this board would not be sympathetic to him. Once again, the whole country thinks one way and fifteen morons on this board think another, must be the wanna be rebels in them. It's a sad day when I agree with pretty much everything Rhett says. I have no idea what he did right or wrong cause politics isn't my thing but I'm sure he did a helluva better job then you guys did....Oh wait, you weren't President, he was, and you never will be.
-
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
I shoulda known this board would not be sympathetic to him. Once again, the whole country thinks one way and fifteen morons on this board think another, must be the wanna be rebels in them. It's a sad day when I agree with pretty much everything Rhett says. I have no idea what he did right or wrong cause politics isn't my thing but I'm sure he did a helluva better job then you guys did....Oh wait, you weren't President, he was, and you never will be.
What you mean is the whole right-wing propaganda mainstream media thinks one way and broadcasts it so the sheep-like doodles believe it, and 15 morons on this board thinks another. Listening to Air America this morning, the callers were sympathetic that he'd died, but saying how he wasn't really that good a president...which he wasn't.
If I was president instead of him, I would've taken money from Starwars and put it in aids research...I wouldn't have given those massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while cutting education programs...and I wouldn't have sold arms to Iran, or invaded Grenada.
-
In your esitmation, what president's are "legends", and what did they do to earn their legendary status?
Aren't Guided By Voices and the Fall legendary? :D
Originally posted by redsock:
sigh... it always turns into one of these messy little arguments. And coincidentally, Rhett is in the minority again. It's sad when anyone dies, true enough. I think what most of the folks are reacting to is the non-stop, never-ending, relentless push by reagan-supporters (who also happen to have prominent roles in the current administration) to make him the be-all end-all. If you liked Reagan, you tend to REALLY like him. And vice-versa. Regardless of his accomplishments, good or bad, he is not the legend his followers make him out to be. And to be beaten over the head with a solid week of this propaganda is a daunting task. It's unfortunate his last years were so difficult, and I do feel for Nancy (even thoguh she's always seemed a bit odd herself). But in the end, his legacy in the eyes of non-republicans is not an entirely positive one. Thus, we quickly grow tired of all the media coverage etc...
-
<img src="http://www.houseofhorrors.com/reagan15_small.jpg" alt=" - " />
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Hey Guiny, would you feel the same way if it were Clinton who died? Haven't you said some disparaging things about him?
Yes Rhett, I would feel the same way about Clinton, I suppoted Reagan when he was President, I supported the first Bush when he was President, I suppoted Clinton when he was President and I support the second Bush now that he's President. Why? Cause they are President and I'm not....Period. If I thought I could do it better, then I'd find a way to run and do it myself, instead I just come here and listen to everyone play internet President's.
-
Turn your television off and do something else,dude. If they got shit on, just say no and turn it off.
I watched a two minute horserace Saturday, and had the baseball game on in the background while I painted a room yesterday. Wasn't even aware of any of the Reagan coverage.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I'm not defensive of his actions of president.
I just find mocking his death OFFENSIVE. Regardless of his politics, he carried himself well as a human being, I thought.
It's not like he was a drug-addled self-destructive rock star goon who can't help but ot invite derision and mockery. You know, like Curt Cobain or Layne Staley.
I think those mocking, and I don't think I was mocking....but anyway, if we are, it's probably a reaction to all the bullshit on the telly over the weekend...You'd think he was the mesiah or something. What cracks me up about the media over here is for example, you get the local news at 6pm and the lead story is "Reagan Dead"...then you get all the tributes and posthumous arse licking for an hour...then at 7pm you get the national news and the lead story is "Reagan Dead" NO SHIT! We've just had it shoved down our throats for the past hour!...then of course you get another hour of posthumous arse licking all over again.
BTW, did ANYTHING else happen that was newsworthy over the weekend, because they sure as shit didn't report on anything else? [/b]
-
<img src="http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img/1/1291644.jpg" alt=" - " />
-
I've re-read this thread twice, haven't read any mocking or cheering in regards to his death.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I just find mocking his death OFFENSIVE.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Rhett...all EX-wives are bitches...DUH!
Why so defensive of a President who did NOTHING for minorities, education or aids research while tripling the nations deficit?
What else do you want to name after the fucker for crying out loud? Why not just cut to the chase and rename this town "Reagan DC" and be done with it.
And 93 is a damn good innings if you ask me, I'd be sympathetic if he popped it in his 50's or so...but to live to 93 is pretty eff'n good.
By the way, I absolutely refuse to call National Airport anything but National Airport.
[/b]
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
If I was president instead of him, I would've taken money from Starwars and put it in aids research...I wouldn't have given those massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while cutting education programs...and I wouldn't have sold arms to Iran, or invaded Grenada.
It's very easy to make these observations after the fact. Also, it's important to note that these guys (presidents) don't operate in a vaccuum...
-
judging by this thread, clearly the terrorists have won
-
Originally posted by poorlulu:
yaaaaaaaay
need to crack open a bottle for that one.........
can't be long till maggie kick's it either............i feel the need to get on a plane and dance on her grave when she does finally croak...............
Well Sugartastic, you must have missed this - the second post.
-
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Yes Rhett, I would feel the same way about Clinton, I suppoted Reagan when he was President, I supported the first Bush when he was President, I suppoted Clinton when he was President and I support the second Bush now that he's President. Why? Cause they are President and I'm not....Period. If I thought I could do it better, then I'd find a way to run and do it myself, instead I just come here and listen to everyone play internet President's. [/b]
Gimmee a break...thank goodness not everyone supports their leaders "just because he's president and I'm not Period".
-
yaaaaaaaay
need to crack open a bottle for that one.........
can't be long till maggie kick's it either............i feel the need to get on a plane and dance on her grave when she does finally croak...............
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
I've re-read this thread twice, haven't read any mocking or cheering in regards to his death. Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I just find mocking his death OFFENSIVE.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Rhett...all EX-wives are bitches...DUH!
Why so defensive of a President who did NOTHING for minorities, education or aids research while tripling the nations deficit?
What else do you want to name after the fucker for crying out loud? Why not just cut to the chase and rename this town "Reagan DC" and be done with it.
And 93 is a damn good innings if you ask me, I'd be sympathetic if he popped it in his 50's or so...but to live to 93 is pretty eff'n good.
By the way, I absolutely refuse to call National Airport anything but National Airport.
[/b]
[/b]
-
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by poorlulu:
yaaaaaaaay
need to crack open a bottle for that one.........
can't be long till maggie kick's it either............i feel the need to get on a plane and dance on her grave when she does finally croak...............
Well Sugartastic, you must have missed this - the second post. [/b]
I agree, that was uncalled for...except for the Thatcher bit. May I have the first dance with you lulu?
And Rhett, we did turn the telly off, it was off the whole weekend, except I put it on to try to watch the news only to be bombarded with Reagan tributes...AND NOTHING ELSE!
-
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Yes Rhett, I would feel the same way about Clinton, I suppoted Reagan when he was President, I supported the first Bush when he was President, I suppoted Clinton when he was President and I support the second Bush now that he's President. Why? Cause they are President and I'm not....Period. If I thought I could do it better, then I'd find a way to run and do it myself, instead I just come here and listen to everyone play internet President's. [/b]
Gimmee a break...thank goodness not everyone supports their leaders "just because he's president and I'm not Period". [/b]
All joking aside though, that mentality is an insult to everything America stands for...I mean, seriously. That's more Chinese or N. Korean don't you think?
-
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
judging by this thread, clearly the terrorists have won
they hate our liberty and our freedom
-
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
judging by this thread, clearly the terrorists have won
Why is that? Or is the Asscrotch spin on it that Al Queada killed Reagan.
-
If Clinton or Carter were to die, the "right wing media" would cover their deaths with comparable reverance. It's just the way we do things in this country; put away our partisan bullshit, and honor the dead.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
I shoulda known this board would not be sympathetic to him. Once again, the whole country thinks one way and fifteen morons on this board think another, must be the wanna be rebels in them. It's a sad day when I agree with pretty much everything Rhett says. I have no idea what he did right or wrong cause politics isn't my thing but I'm sure he did a helluva better job then you guys did....Oh wait, you weren't President, he was, and you never will be.
What you mean is the whole right-wing propaganda mainstream media thinks one way and broadcasts it so the sheep-like doodles believe it, and 15 morons on this board thinks another. Listening to Air America this morning, the callers were sympathetic that he'd died, but saying how he wasn't really that good a president...which he wasn't.
If I was president instead of him, I would've taken money from Starwars and put it in aids research...I wouldn't have given those massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while cutting education programs...and I wouldn't have sold arms to Iran, or invaded Grenada. [/b]
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Why is that? Or is the Asscrotch spin on it that Al Queada killed Reagan.
because if we are negative, and don't support everything about America fully and happily, then the terrorists have won
you'll have to ask Guiny to be sure
-
There's nothing like watching Fox 5 News Anchors trying to adlib on Reagan's death.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
And Rhett, we did turn the telly off, it was off the whole weekend, except I put it on to try to watch the news only to be bombarded with Reagan tributes...AND NOTHING ELSE!
-
I think what Guiny was getting at is that he respects the position of the presidency. As long as someone behaves in a manner so as to honor that position, so do I.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Yes Rhett, I would feel the same way about Clinton, I suppoted Reagan when he was President, I supported the first Bush when he was President, I suppoted Clinton when he was President and I support the second Bush now that he's President. Why? Cause they are President and I'm not....Period. If I thought I could do it better, then I'd find a way to run and do it myself, instead I just come here and listen to everyone play internet President's. [/b]
Gimmee a break...thank goodness not everyone supports their leaders "just because he's president and I'm not Period". [/b]
All joking aside though, that mentality is an insult to everything America stands for...I mean, seriously. That's more Chinese or N. Korean don't you think? [/b]
-
Will Thomas going on about how he wished he had slept with him or something?
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
There's nothing like watching Fox 5 News Anchors trying to adlib on Reagan's death.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
And Rhett, we did turn the telly off, it was off the whole weekend, except I put it on to try to watch the news only to be bombarded with Reagan tributes...AND NOTHING ELSE!
[/b]
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I think what Guiny was getting at is that he respects the position of the presidency. As long as someone behaves in a manner so as to honor that position, so do I.
I certainly hope that's what he meant. I'd like to say I respect the preisdency too, but with a character like George W occupying the position that's becoming a stretch.
-
True enough. The only thing I expect from local news is LIVE! LOCAL! LATEBREAKING! news.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Will Thomas going on about how he wished he had slept with him or something?
-
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
True enough. The only thing I expect from local news is LIVE! LOCAL! LATEBREAKING! news.
Don't forget about news about how everyday events can kill you and your kids.
-
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I think what Guiny was getting at is that he respects the position of the presidency. [/b]
From Nixon onward, has the presidency really deserved your respect?
-
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
True enough. The only thing I expect from local news is LIVE! LOCAL! LATEBREAKING! news.
Don't forget about news about how everyday events can kill you and your kids. [/b]
And don't forget the same, tired old advice about how to keep your basement dry if rain is forecast, or what to keep handy as an emergency kit in case you lose power, or the LIVE REPORTING from the supermarket as people are told to buy up all the milk, bread and bottled water.
-
Ooh, yeah. Forgot about that one. Yeah, not too kosher.
Originally posted by keithstg:
qb] Originally posted by poorlulu:
yaaaaaaaay
need to crack open a bottle for that one.........
can't be long till maggie kick's it either............i feel the need to get on a plane and dance on her grave when she does finally croak...............
Well Sugartastic, you must have missed this - the second post. [/qb]
-
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I think what Guiny was getting at is that he respects the position of the presidency. [/b]
From Nixon onward, has the presidency really deserved your respect? [/b]
Dunno markie......9" is pretty respectable!
:D
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I think what Guiny was getting at is that he respects the position of the presidency. As long as someone behaves in a manner so as to honor that position, so do I.
I should have Rhett proofread my work before I send it, much better written, thanx.
-
Good point.
I don't know that leaders of yesteryear were any better, or that those from Nixon on were worse...
perhaps the media as well as a more critical and questioning public eye in general has been part of the loss of respect for the position. Perhaps this extends to pretty much all countries where free speech is allowed?
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I think what Guiny was getting at is that he respects the position of the presidency. [/b]
From Nixon onward, has the presidency really deserved your respect? [/b]
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
judging by this thread, clearly the terrorists have won
Why is that? Or is the Asscrotch spin on it that Al Queada killed Reagan. [/b]
i guess i should also blame liberals and the media too.
-
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i guess i should also blame liberals and the media too.
<img src="http://www.babu.com/~laurel/southpark/mac.jpg" alt=" - " />
BLAME CANADA!
-
:roll:
Reagan's Name Likely to Spread Farther
By KATA KERTESZ
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Years ago, Ronald Reagan was flattered to learn an Irish pub had been named after him. Then came an aircraft carrier, office buildings, schools, scholarships, all sorts of roads, a peace garden, a weapons testing site and more, waves of dedications unusual for a living figure. They can be expected to accelerate now.
In New Hampshire, the Legislature voted last year to rename Mount Clay, a 5,553-foot peak in the White Mountains, to become official five years after Reagan's death.
Memorials already in place, according to the Ronald Reagan Legacy Project, include:
_The aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan, commissioned last year.
_The huge Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center, dedicated in 1998 in Washington, and the Ronald Reagan State Office Building in Los Angeles, 1990.
_The Ronald Reagan Institute of Emergency Medicine at George Washington University Hospital, where he was treated after being shot in an assassination attempt in 1981. Reagan attended the 1991 dedication.
_Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in Arlington, Va., renamed in 1998.
_Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site, Marshall Islands, 2000.
_Ronald Reagan Peace Garden, one of several dedications at Eureka College, Ill., where he graduated.
Illinois, the state of his birth; California, where he was governor, and the capital city have the most dedications, but many states have a Reagan road of some sort. Among them: Florida, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, New York, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
And the pub? That was in Ballyporeen, Ireland, home of the president's great-grandfather, Michael Reagan. Ronald Reagan visited in 1984 according to Frommer's Travel Guides.
-
Originally posted by keithstg:
I would / will say the same thing when Clinton passes away.
Bermuda Triangle? (http://www.vogueknitting.com/soho/newsalert/alert%208/monica2.mov)
-
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
I've re-read this thread twice, haven't read any mocking or cheering in regards to his death.
I was going to make the same point -- outside of LuLu's dance of joy, no one mocked Reagan, but expressed differing views as to the level of reverence that should be accorded his political accomplishments.
The man lived to 93; when my grandmother died at the same age I was sad but felt a bit relieved for her as well. It's a tough road to be that old and be stricken with Alzheimers, dimentia, whatever your cross to bear may be.
This is what is so insane -- make it to the bottom line of the article below, as that's the whole goddamn point that the Reagan zealots don't even get in their fervor to have everything not nailed down named after him. And this is why folks are already fatigued at the coverage...
On Roads, Schools -- and Dimes? -- Reagan Lives On
By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 6, 2004; Page A33
Long before Ronald Reagan died, an unprecedented lobbying campaign began to keep his name alive. There is already a Mount Reagan, a USS Ronald Reagan, and a slew of Ronald Reagan schools and thoroughfares.
And, if the former president's most audacious backers have their way, Ronald Reagan dimes will soon be jingling in pockets and purses across America.
The ambition of the Ronald Reagan Legacy Project is to place a "significant" memorial in every state and to name something after him in all 3,067 counties in the country. Revering Reagan as an icon of modern Republican conservatism, organizers have not ruled out a place on Mount Rushmore.
"He defeated the most significant threat to liberty in America's history, the Soviet Union. He turned around the economy to sustained growth," said Grover Norquist, the tax-fighting chief cheerleader for the Reagan commemoration project. "We want one thing in each county."
First of all, though, they want the dime.
Norquist, better known as the leader of Americans for Tax Reform, started the legacy project informally seven years ago. He focused at one point on putting Reagan's face on the $10 bill. He started lining up Capitol Hill support, but it would mean displacing Alexander Hamilton, the brilliant first Treasury secretary, who was killed by Aaron Burr in a duel.
"The Hamilton lobby," Norquist said wryly the other day, would have blocked the move. Benjamin Franklin is firmly ensconced on the hundred. Andrew Jackson could not easily be displaced from the twenty, and, well, Abraham Lincoln could hardly be expected to relinquish his spot on the five.
Besides, he was a Republican.
Rep. Mark Edward Souder (R-Ind.) introduced a bill last year to put Reagan on the dime, replacing Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose image was assigned to the 10-cent piece within a year of his death in 1945. Souder had more than 80 co-sponsors, despite the objection of former first lady Nancy Reagan.
"Leave the dime alone," demanded Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.). He got more than 100 co-sponsors for his rival bill to keep Roosevelt's face on the coin.
Norquist's current notion is to make half of the nation's future dimes with Reagan's image and half with Roosevelt's. He called it the "obvious compromise" and reported approvingly that a coin change requires only the approval of the director of the U.S. Mint.
"We're not trying to dis anyone. Having just talked to many governors and members of Congress and folks, half of the dimes seems the most reasonable compromise," Norquist said. "I have every reason to believe the administration is happy with the idea and that we would get support from them."
The battle over the dollars and the dimes shows that Reagan's early legacy is subject to the same debate that marked his two terms in office, when supporters beamed and detractors shook their heads in wonderment -- or collective resignation.
Some historians and commentators have argued that Reagan's image is being harnessed in an unseemly way by conservatives eager for a marketable hero, just as Cuban communists peddle the mystique of Che Guevara on banners and key chains decades after his death.
Conservative columnist George Will said there is "something un-Reaganesque about trying to plaster his name all over the country the way Lenin was plastered over Eastern Europe, Mao over China and Saddam Hussein all over Iraq."
"It's time for us to rescue Ronald Reagan and his legacy from some of his more zealous friends," Will said.
The list of roadways, buildings and institutions bearing Reagan's name continues to grow, however. Just this month, the Louisiana legislature named a stretch of U.S. Highway 190 the Ronald Reagan Highway. Last year, the New Hampshire Senate renamed Mount Clay -- previously honoring 19th-century politician Henry Clay -- after Reagan.
In Washington, the limestone-and-granite Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center is second in size only to the Pentagon among federal buildings. Republicans on Capitol Hill won a bitter fight to rename Washington National Airport after the former president.
Grenada, the island nation invaded by U.S. forces under Commander in Chief Reagan, honored Reagan with a set of stamps bearing his image. But hopes among members of Congress for a monument to Reagan on the Mall face a formidable obstacle.
In 1986, Congress delivered a bill to the White House barring any memorial to an individual from being built on the Mall until 25 years after the person's death. The bill was signed into law by . . . Ronald Reagan.
-
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
I shoulda known this board would not be sympathetic to him. Once again, the whole country thinks one way and fifteen morons on this board think another, must be the wanna be rebels in them.
Yeah, right, there are only 15 crackpot board people who didn't love Reagan unconditionally.
From today's Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20699-2004Jun6.html) [Get over it, they're even church-going people!?]:
The Rev. Terry A. Smith III, pastor of First Baptist Church of North Brentwood, once attended a prayer breakfast at the White House with other members of the clergy during Reagan's presidency. But during services yesterday, Smith didn't say a word to his 2,800-member flock about the former president's death.
"Reagan was not a friend to the African American community. He was a leader of the free world, but African Americans lost under his leadership," said Smith, who led the effort to integrate Prince George's County schools and businesses in the 1960s. "My sympathy goes to his family, but as far as his leadership in this country, he didn't do us any favors."
Don Richardson, 40, a member of the choir of men and boys at National Cathedral, said he will participate in the state funeral Friday. "It's not an easy one to sort out," said Richardson, reflecting on his views of Reagan's presidency and his own role in the funeral. "Regardless of the president and what I might think of him, it's a matter of the office and honoring a leader of this country," Richardson said. But he added: "There were some significant social blind spots during his presidency that are difficult to forgive."
"We were thinking about him," said Tom Dabney, 53, a lawyer who attended St. Mary's. "I think of him as a very charismatic, well-meaning person who did a lot to help the country regain its spirit. At the same time, he left the country open to serious problems we face today: the AIDS crisis, [the] plight of the mentally ill, [a] sense of entitlement amid the upper class that is so often disguised as patriotism. He did a lot for a country that was in crisis, and for that he deserves to be recognized. I personally did not vote for him."
Although Reagan was never the most churchgoing of presidents, people said again and again that they admired his convictions and spoke of a man whose deeply held beliefs were almost a religion unto themselves.
-
wow, i wish i could say i'm sorry for my earlier comments.......
i really, really wish that i could.............
nah not really...............isn't freedom of speech wonderful....... :D
-
i seem to recall hearing that the naming of the trade center was a tad ironic considering reagan was against trade and also the building of such centers with federal funds.
i'm still a bit steamed over the way the reagan clones forced the metro system to rename the national station to reflect the airport name by threatening to cutoff funding. a childish act if i've ever heard one.
putting reagan on the dime over fdr is just plain stupid...
-
Will Nancy or the monkey be on the reverse side?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
putting reagan on the dime over fdr is just plain stupid...
-
Personally, I think they should put his face on the ketchup packets they give out in public schools.
-
Waaaaaaaaaaah, Ronald Reagan has all this cool stuff named after him and you don't.......You guys are sounding kinda jealous out there. :D
-
Well that spiritual guru guy, as well as the guy from sonic youth, were both named after board members. Oh, and a certain type of pig.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Waaaaaaaaaaah, Ronald Reagan has all this cool stuff named after him and you don't.......You guys are sounding kinda jealous out there. :D
-
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1302961 (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1302961)
-
Originally posted by poorlulu:
wow, i wish i could say i'm sorry for my earlier comments.......
i really, really wish that i could.............
nah not really...............isn't freedom of speech wonderful....... :D
Freedom of speech is great. So is the freedom to call your remarks what they were, completely classless.
I think enough has been done to honor Reagan in terms of buildings, schools, etc., and that the dime should remain FDR's. But all the pomp surrounding his funeral is nothing unusual. Every President has had a week of memorials, and some more (FDR comes to mind). Media coverage is greater now, but the memorial schedule is nothing new.
-
Whew... I was hoping someone would pick up on that.
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1302961 (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1302961)
-
can't remember all the details but the whole ketchup is a veggie incident was according to my brother republican postering over a budget issue or something along those lines. an old boss of my bro agreed to the be the fall guy in order to make a point. of course once the news over ketchup was "ancient" history the fall guy had a better job on the hill.
so the reagan admin never really thought ketchup was a veggie...
-
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303253 (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303253)
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well that spiritual guru guy, as well as the guy from sonic youth, were both named after board members. Oh, and a certain type of pig.
[/QB][/QUOTE]
LOL.......Great post. :)
-
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303689 (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303689)
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303703 (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303703)
-
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303689 (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303689)
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303703 (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1303703)
Ask what? Who won the hockey game last night? Tell what? Tampa Bay won?
-
Originally posted by Frosty The Swami:
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
The saddest part about Reagan's death for me is that now we have to hear about him constantly for days and weeks and the tributes and the t.v. coverage and....cripes.
Wait until they start talking about replacing Jackson on the $20 bill with Reagan, or putting his face on Mt. Rushmore. [/b]
I freaking knew it...
---
USA Today reported Tuesday that Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) plans to sponsor legislation in the Senate to have Reagan's image replace that of Alexander Hamilton, the nation's first treasury secretary, on the $10 bill.
Meanwhile, an effort is underway in the House of Representatives, led by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), to put Reagan's face on the $20.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news/economy/reagan_hamilton/index.htm?cnn=yes (http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news/economy/reagan_hamilton/index.htm?cnn=yes)
-
why don't we put his face on all the currency than we'll just be like the motherland :roll:
-
Just have him become the iconic image for McDonald's and be done with it.
-
anyone know if nancy's psyhic is still on this mortal plane? i'd like to hire them and ask the man direct what he thinks about his face being plastered on the money...
-
Originally posted by Frosty The Swami:
USA Today reported Tuesday that Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) plans to sponsor legislation in the Senate to have Reagan's image replace that of Alexander Hamilton, the nation's first treasury secretary, on the $10 bill.
Meanwhile, an effort is underway in the House of Representatives, led by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), to put Reagan's face on the $20.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news/economy/reagan_hamilton/index.htm?cnn=yes (http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news/economy/reagan_hamilton/index.htm?cnn=yes)
There's also a new bill on capitol hill to rename our fair national capitol in honor of America's bestest president ever: Reagan, DC.
More renaming bills are in the pipeline...everything from roads to washrooms. Popeye's chicken will henceforth be known as Reagan's Chicken. The species of domestic fowl formerly known as chicken will be called Reagan. In the future it will be a misdemeanor not to use the word "Reagan" at least once in every paragraph....soon to be ammended to once-per-sentence. Then once per word. Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan
-
I hope they nickname the shitty new baseball team we're going to get the Washington Reagans.
-
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
You'll notice there are quite a few people who still call it National.
That's the ONLY name that I'll use for that airport. Or once in a great while, DCA.
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
The saddest part about Reagan's death for me is that now we have to hear about him constantly for days and weeks and the tributes and the t.v. coverage and....cripes.
You forgot about the traffic madness that you'll all have to deal with, especially on Friday! You all have my sympathies.
-
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
Originally posted by palahniukkubrick:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Alzheimer's is definitely a shitty way to go.
The joke about his alzheimer's is that when he got it how could they tell? [/b]
A few years ago someone I know died of Alzheimer's. We were told at the time that it cannot be diagnosed for certain until an autopsy (on the brain) is performed. I don't know if that is still true. (sorry to turn all serious). [/b]
They have ways such as MRIs, mini mentals and other tests. Besides, once they get into further stages of the disease, it's obvious. I work now with people with Dementia and Alzheimer's who need long term care. Though I have a total blast with these people, it's a slow, deteriorating death.
I'm hoping that his death will funnel a little more money into caring for these people. You know how when a high profile person gets a disease, the world finally cares. :roll: BTW, I don't know about any of the particular charities and their integrity. I'm sure many of them will abuse the situation to rake in the cash but won't put any more than their 2 cents required by law for their brochures into any kind of research or care.
-
Originally posted by Skeeter:
I do, however, feel badly for Nancy, who has probably had a very miserable life for the last 10-15 years.
Not me. I hated that fucking elitist bitch! She's even snobbier than he was. They both were from the Marie Antoinette school of etiquette; 'let them eat cake' while she expected their delicacies served on newer fine china paid for by the US tax payer who had no chance in Hell of ever dinning on one piece.
-
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
Will Nancy or the monkey be on the reverse side? Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
putting reagan on the dime over fdr is just plain stupid...
[/b]
I think the appropriate reverse side would be an engraving of his ass mooning us to remind us all of how we were nickel and dimed to death.
-
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Frosty The Swami:
USA Today reported Tuesday that Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) plans to sponsor legislation in the Senate to have Reagan's image replace that of Alexander Hamilton, the nation's first treasury secretary, on the $10 bill.
Meanwhile, an effort is underway in the House of Representatives, led by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), to put Reagan's face on the $20.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news/economy/reagan_hamilton/index.htm?cnn=yes (http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news/economy/reagan_hamilton/index.htm?cnn=yes)
There's also a new bill on capitol hill to rename our fair national capitol in honor of America's bestest president ever: Reagan, DC.
More renaming bills are in the pipeline...everything from roads to washrooms. Popeye's chicken will henceforth be known as Reagan's Chicken. The species of domestic fowl formerly known as chicken will be called Reagan. In the future it will be a misdemeanor not to use the word "Reagan" at least once in every paragraph....soon to be ammended to once-per-sentence. Then once per word. Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan Reagan [/b]
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Anybody know a good exorcist?
The one who was a friend of the family died a good while ago.
-
Ronnie isnt really dead. He is working a butger joint in Moline with Elvis. I think its a little side of the raod greasy spoon called King Gippers!
-
<img src="http://www.bartcop.com/nancyt.jpg" alt=" - " />
NEWSFLASH!: Santa Barbara to be renamed Reagangrad. Film @ 11.
-
Well, I put the telly on this morning for the first time since the weekend, to see if there's anything new on the news.....Reagan is still dead, is all I learned.
My wife is happy though, she gets to finish today at 2pm and is off on Friday. I told her Reagan did so much more for her dead than he ever did for me while he was alive.
-
You guys crack me up, well we went from bitching about music to bitching about dead Presidents.......Can't wait to hear what's next.
-
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
You guys crack me up, well we went from bitching about music to bitching about dead Presidents.......Can't wait to hear what's next.
Back to bitching about sports maybe?
-
Or maybe bitching about cars and their drivers.....
-
each other?
-
well, after chasing butterflies around his backyard in his underpants for the past 15yrs - i reckon the ol' bastard deserves some rest.
-
Originally posted by filthypit:
well, after chasing butterflies around his backyard in his underpants for the past 15yrs - i reckon the ol' bastard deserves some rest.
I thought they were pink elephants.
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I hope they nickname the shitty new baseball team we're going to get the Washington Reagans.
How bout the Gippers?
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
shitty new baseball team
probably be better than the orioles in a couple of years
-
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
shitty new baseball team
probably be better than the orioles in a couple of years [/b]
You think it will take that long?
-
They'll probably be comparable to the Caps, Skins, Wizards, and Mystics. A town populated by assholes gets what it deserves, shitty sports teams. I believe the intellectuals call it "karma".
:D
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
shitty new baseball team
probably be better than the orioles in a couple of years [/b]
-
So they won't be much better in Springfield then either.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
They'll probably be comparable to the Caps, Skins, Wizards, and Mystics. A town populated by assholes gets what it deserves, shitty sports teams. I believe the intellectuals call it "karma".
-
They should move to Portland. Then I might cheer for them.
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
So they won't be much better in Springfield then either.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
They'll probably be comparable to the Caps, Skins, Wizards, and Mystics. A town populated by assholes gets what it deserves, shitty sports teams. I believe the intellectuals call it "karma".
[/b]
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
They'll probably be comparable to the Caps, Skins, Wizards, and Mystics. A town populated by assholes gets what it deserves, shitty sports teams. I believe the intellectuals call it "karma".
:D
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
shitty new baseball team
probably be better than the orioles in a couple of years [/b]
[/b]
You might be on to something....is that why Manchester, England is home to the biggest, wealthiest, and one of the most successful sports franchises in history.
But then again, how would you explain the Pittsburgh Penguins of years gone by?
-
Were the Penguins good?
If so, must be because Grotty is such a great guy.
And let's not forget that Vansmack was born there.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
They'll probably be comparable to the Caps, Skins, Wizards, and Mystics. A town populated by assholes gets what it deserves, shitty sports teams. I believe the intellectuals call it "karma".
:D
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
shitty new baseball team
probably be better than the orioles in a couple of years [/b]
[/b]
You might be on to something....is that why Manchester, England is home to the biggest, wealthiest, and one of the most successful sports franchises in history.
But then again, how would you explain the Pittsburgh Penguins of years gone by? [/b]
-
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Were the Penguins good?
If so, must be because Grotty is such a great guy.
And let's not forget that Vansmack was born there.
were they good? back to back stanley cup champions in 91-92
-
The Bullets (i mean wizards) were good once too. NBA champs in '78. Don't worry, they'll get it going again soon.
-
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/119/119107_bush_should_have_died_not_reagan_morrissey.html (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/119/119107_bush_should_have_died_not_reagan_morrissey.html)
-
geez, fico. . .read some of the threads on page 1. . .
http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007195 (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007195)
-
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Were the Penguins good?
If so, must be because Grotty is such a great guy.
And let's not forget that Vansmack was born there.
were they good? back to back stanley cup champions in 91-92 [/b]
they were contenders for around a decade too.
wizards will be good if they can go a year without trading the wrong guy. as in trade stack not hughes
-
<img src="http://www.dicedealer.com/celebr19.jpg" alt=" - " />
-
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
If I was president instead of him, I would've taken money from Starwars and put it in aids research...I wouldn't have given those massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while cutting education programs...and I wouldn't have sold arms to Iran, or invaded Grenada.
It's very easy to make these observations after the fact. Also, it's important to note that these guys (presidents) don't operate in a vaccuum... [/b]
I think this is one of the best observations in this entire thread. It's easy to criticize the President and his administration but more difficult to actually become involved in the political process itself.
Whether or not you liked Reagan, he was still the Commander in Chief and the President. Both of these titles deserve respect and honor because of the level of responsibility involved. The biggest aspect of the Reagan funeral I find interesting is Nancy's ability to hold herself together. Considering how long they were together, I am sure this is has to be one of the hardest times in her life since she is saying goodbye to the person she said started her life the day she met him.
-
Originally posted by rnrgirl76:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
If I was president instead of him, I would've taken money from Starwars and put it in aids research...I wouldn't have given those massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while cutting education programs...and I wouldn't have sold arms to Iran, or invaded Grenada.
It's very easy to make these observations after the fact. Also, it's important to note that these guys (presidents) don't operate in a vaccuum... [/b]
I think this is one of the best observations in this entire thread. It's easy to criticize the President and his administration but more difficult to actually become involved in the political process itself.
Whether or not you liked Reagan, he was still the Commander in Chief and the President. Both of these titles deserve respect and honor because of the level of responsibility involved. The biggest aspect of the Reagan funeral I find interesting is Nancy's ability to hold herself together. Considering how long they were together, I am sure this is has to be one of the hardest times in her life since she is saying goodbye to the person she said started her life the day she met him. [/b]
I haven't read the whole thread so I may be missing something. Although I agree that being president of the US might be the most difficult job in the world, this doesn't mean that I have to respect and honor a president, no way. I am not going to toast for his death neither, however, look at what governmnets the Reagan administration supported in Guatemala, El Salvador or look at the atrocities in Nicaragua figthing the sandinistas. Come on, look for example at the deaths of innocent civilians in el Mozote in El Salvador, more than 750 people killed by the Salvadorean Army with the US support. Please read this book. I have been there, I tell you, you can lose respect for anybody, even for the US president once you visit such places. And this is not an invention of lefties in the US, you can read articles in the NYT or Washington Post.
<img src="http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c0/55/80_8.JPG" alt=" - " />
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067975525X/qid=1086828438/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4127835-2245744 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067975525X/qid=1086828438/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4127835-2245744)
From Publishers Weekly
Based in large part on his extensive account published in the December 6, 1993, issue of the New Yorker , National Magazine Award winner Danner's engrossing study reconstructs events that took place some dozen years before. In December 1981, over 750 men, women and children were killed in El Mozote, El Salvador, and the surrounding hamlets. Although at the time it was covered on the front pages of both the New York Times and the Washington Post , the reports were not enough to derail Ronald Reagan's push to prove that the El Salvadoran government was "making a concerted and significant effort to comply with internationally recognized human rights." Why the government chose to ignore stories in the nation's two leading newspapers is one part of Danner's sad, well-researched book. The other is why El Mozote was attacked at all. Populated by evangelical Christians who, unlike Catholic neighbors fed on liberation theology, did not abet the rebel FMLN, the people of El Mozote believed they would be spared when the army decided to wipe out insurgents and their supporters. After several days of brutal rapes and murders, a handful of people managed to escape to the rebels, setting in motion press reports and the under-investigated, coyly couched American embassy reply that allowed the U.S. to continue its massive subsidies. Danner has disinterred an event that is an equal indictment of Salvadoran brutality and American blindness.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc.
-
Originally posted by Barcelona:
And this is not an invention of lefties in the US, you can read articles in the NYT or Washington Post. [/QB]
Here we go, rant after rant to come about how 'leftie' the Post and Times are. Guess that means the Pulitzer organization is WAY out left as well, as they'd only award recognition to news that was horribly skewed and partisan....
-
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
And this is not an invention of lefties in the US, you can read articles in the NYT or Washington Post. [/b]
Here we go, rant after rant to come about how 'leftie' the Post and Times are. Guess that means the Pulitzer organization is WAY out left as well, as they'd only award recognition to news that was horribly skewed and partisan.... [/QB]
Bags, not sure what you mean, my English still needs improvement. In any case, I was just saying that two papers with good reputation covered the issue in 1981. I don't like the Washington Post, but to me, the New York Times is, with El Pais from Spain, the best paper in the world.
-
I agree with you Barcelona! I think we might hear from some folks who will claim the Post and Times are left-leaning papers and, hence, anti-Reagan.
-
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by rnrgirl76:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
If I was president instead of him, I would've taken money from Starwars and put it in aids research...I wouldn't have given those massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while cutting education programs...and I wouldn't have sold arms to Iran, or invaded Grenada.
It's very easy to make these observations after the fact. Also, it's important to note that these guys (presidents) don't operate in a vaccuum... [/b]
I think this is one of the best observations in this entire thread. It's easy to criticize the President and his administration but more difficult to actually become involved in the political process itself.
Whether or not you liked Reagan, he was still the Commander in Chief and the President. Both of these titles deserve respect and honor because of the level of responsibility involved. The biggest aspect of the Reagan funeral I find interesting is Nancy's ability to hold herself together. Considering how long they were together, I am sure this is has to be one of the hardest times in her life since she is saying goodbye to the person she said started her life the day she met him. [/b]
I haven't read the whole thread so I may be missing something. Although I agree that being president of the US might be the most difficult job in the world, this doesn't mean that I have to respect and honor a president, no way. I am not going to toast for his death neither, however, look at what governmnets the Reagan administration supported in Guatemala, El Salvador or look at the atrocities in Nicaragua figthing the sandinistas. Come on, look for example at the deaths of innocent civilians in el Mozote in El Salvador, more than 750 people killed by the Salvadorean Army with the US support. Please read this book. I have been there, I tell you, you can lose respect for anybody, even for the US president once you visit such places. And this is not an invention of lefties in the US, you can read articles in the NYT or Washington Post.
<img src="http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c0/55/80_8.JPG" alt=" - " />
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067975525X/qid=1086828438/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4127835-2245744 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067975525X/qid=1086828438/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4127835-2245744)
From Publishers Weekly
Based in large part on his extensive account published in the December 6, 1993, issue of the New Yorker , National Magazine Award winner Danner's engrossing study reconstructs events that took place some dozen years before. In December 1981, over 750 men, women and children were killed in El Mozote, El Salvador, and the surrounding hamlets. Although at the time it was covered on the front pages of both the New York Times and the Washington Post , the reports were not enough to derail Ronald Reagan's push to prove that the El Salvadoran government was "making a concerted and significant effort to comply with internationally recognized human rights." Why the government chose to ignore stories in the nation's two leading newspapers is one part of Danner's sad, well-researched book. The other is why El Mozote was attacked at all. Populated by evangelical Christians who, unlike Catholic neighbors fed on liberation theology, did not abet the rebel FMLN, the people of El Mozote believed they would be spared when the army decided to wipe out insurgents and their supporters. After several days of brutal rapes and murders, a handful of people managed to escape to the rebels, setting in motion press reports and the under-investigated, coyly couched American embassy reply that allowed the U.S. to continue its massive subsidies. Danner has disinterred an event that is an equal indictment of Salvadoran brutality and American blindness.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc. [/b]
My point is the fact its easy to criticize an adminstration regardless of who is the President when you don't know all the facts. Decisions are made on available information and educated guesses which doesn't always seem like the most reasonable thing to do but sometimes it is your only option. I am not heralding the Reagan adminstration nor any other adminstration in United States history. I am simply stating that its very difficult to judge a President based on events that took place during his adminstration since no one can be sure the information that was presented when decisions were made. Remember that there are three sides to every story: yours, theirs and the truth.
-
Originally posted by rnrgirl76:
Remember that there are three sides to every story: yours, theirs and the truth.
When will you be taking your vacation? I suggest we go to El Salvador and visit the eastern part of the country.
-
Originally posted by rnrgirl76:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by rnrgirl76:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
If I was president instead of him, I would've taken money from Starwars and put it in aids research...I wouldn't have given those massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while cutting education programs...and I wouldn't have sold arms to Iran, or invaded Grenada.
It's very easy to make these observations after the fact. Also, it's important to note that these guys (presidents) don't operate in a vaccuum... [/b]
I think this is one of the best observations in this entire thread. It's easy to criticize the President and his administration but more difficult to actually become involved in the political process itself.
Whether or not you liked Reagan, he was still the Commander in Chief and the President. Both of these titles deserve respect and honor because of the level of responsibility involved. The biggest aspect of the Reagan funeral I find interesting is Nancy's ability to hold herself together. Considering how long they were together, I am sure this is has to be one of the hardest times in her life since she is saying goodbye to the person she said started her life the day she met him. [/b]
I haven't read the whole thread so I may be missing something. Although I agree that being president of the US might be the most difficult job in the world, this doesn't mean that I have to respect and honor a president, no way. I am not going to toast for his death neither, however, look at what governmnets the Reagan administration supported in Guatemala, El Salvador or look at the atrocities in Nicaragua figthing the sandinistas. Come on, look for example at the deaths of innocent civilians in el Mozote in El Salvador, more than 750 people killed by the Salvadorean Army with the US support. Please read this book. I have been there, I tell you, you can lose respect for anybody, even for the US president once you visit such places. And this is not an invention of lefties in the US, you can read articles in the NYT or Washington Post.
<img src="http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c0/55/80_8.JPG" alt=" - " />
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067975525X/qid=1086828438/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4127835-2245744 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067975525X/qid=1086828438/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4127835-2245744)
From Publishers Weekly
Based in large part on his extensive account published in the December 6, 1993, issue of the New Yorker , National Magazine Award winner Danner's engrossing study reconstructs events that took place some dozen years before. In December 1981, over 750 men, women and children were killed in El Mozote, El Salvador, and the surrounding hamlets. Although at the time it was covered on the front pages of both the New York Times and the Washington Post , the reports were not enough to derail Ronald Reagan's push to prove that the El Salvadoran government was "making a concerted and significant effort to comply with internationally recognized human rights." Why the government chose to ignore stories in the nation's two leading newspapers is one part of Danner's sad, well-researched book. The other is why El Mozote was attacked at all. Populated by evangelical Christians who, unlike Catholic neighbors fed on liberation theology, did not abet the rebel FMLN, the people of El Mozote believed they would be spared when the army decided to wipe out insurgents and their supporters. After several days of brutal rapes and murders, a handful of people managed to escape to the rebels, setting in motion press reports and the under-investigated, coyly couched American embassy reply that allowed the U.S. to continue its massive subsidies. Danner has disinterred an event that is an equal indictment of Salvadoran brutality and American blindness.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc. [/b]
I am not heralding the Reagan adminstration nor any other adminstration in United States history. [/b]
Let us bow down and all herald the mighty Millard Fillmore (http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/mf13.html) administration. For without it there would be no Fillmore (http://www.thefillmore.com/), nor Fillmore east (http://www.fillmore-east.com/). Amen.