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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: helicon1 on September 07, 2006, 06:30:00 am
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So I just flipped past MTV and they were actually playing a video. It was the Killer's new song. Why does it sound like Meatloaf to me?
Just my first impression, but the whole thing sounds and looks terribly over-produced. Booring.
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i dont get it, everyones saying this....is it really THAT different from their first album? The new song (When You Were Young) sounds just like everything off Hot Fuss to me.
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Killers soooo sold out. I mean I loved their first album until everyone else started liking it and the radio started playing their stuff. I hate them now.
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I know I've told this story before, but the guy at the dentist office loaned me his Killers album when I was having about three hours of dental work done. It was the first time I had heard them. I preferred the dental work.
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i didnt mind the old album, i dont mind the new song.
the CD isnt going to go in my car and i wont be paying directly for tickets to see them, but they are no worse than the Arctic Monkeys or the Strokes.
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i thought they were terrible from the start.
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I saw them open for Morrissey and thought they were dreadfully boring (and Morrissey wasn't that great either). It's really funny how bands just don't understand rock'n'roll these days. There really are only a handful that get it. I'm happy to see that at least there's still a band like Queens of the Stone Age, but so much depends upon a band's image and not on the music. And what's more, kids don't buy LPs. They download music and it has no value to them. It's disposable, and what's more, fan bases are no longer loyal because people's attention spans are too short. I would hate to be in a rock band in this day and age, unless it was Radiohead. They can pretty much put out a record of Thom York making armpit farts and still sell out venues like the Patriot Center.
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they push alot of magazines with their faces on the cover, and sell out any place they play. plus they're uber neuvo, wish a dash of filthy rich . . . and that's all that matters in music. right?
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I really really hated this band ever since the first times I saw them live opening for Stellastarr*, then even more when their annoying singles hit the airwaves and were played non-stop. Eventually, Mr Brightside did grow on me to the point where I can tolerate it, but besides that, I really had it out for this band, calling them talentless hacks, etc blah blah.
However, I love the new single. To me it seems like it's from a totally different band.
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What is there to "understand" about rock and roll?
Originally posted by bearman:
I saw them open for Morrissey and thought they were dreadfully boring (and Morrissey wasn't that great either). It's really funny how bands just don't understand rock'n'roll these days. There really are only a handful that get it. I'm happy to see that at least there's still a band like Queens of the Stone Age, but so much depends upon a band's image and not on the music. And what's more, kids don't buy LPs. They download music and it has no value to them. It's disposable, and what's more, fan bases are no longer loyal because people's attention spans are too short. I would hate to be in a rock band in this day and age, unless it was Radiohead. They can pretty much put out a record of Thom York making armpit farts and still sell out venues like the Patriot Center.
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I don't know if the band has jumped the shark, but the drummer has reportedly jumped an Olsen twin.
Is Mary-Kate Olsen happily humming the once inescapable tune "Mr. Brightside"? The New York Daily News reports the teeny-tiny twin titan and Killers drummer Ronnie Vannucci were flirting "like teenagers" last Thursday at Manhattan club Bungalow 8 (of course, that description loses a bit of oomph when you consider that up until three months ago, MK was a teenager).
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old people's taste vs. the young. i love it.
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And doesn't rock n' roll constantly redefine itself? You can sit around like a dinosaur lamenting the good old days, but music is what it is right now. And like it or not, music nowadays is downloadable, more easily accessible for kids and more disposable than it's been in the past.
I'm reading Pitchfork's interview with Oneida right now, and I think they have the right attitude: "Well, the times are changing; let's roll with it." Digital music does lend itself a little more to the single than the album; is that such a bad thing? Look at the past...some of the best music was released as singles. Should we lament that? I don't think so; it's just another shift.
And if you think even the indie-cred-iest bands dont' care about image, you're highly mistaken. Hell, have of those bands are MORE cautious of it.
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
What is there to "understand" about rock and roll?
Originally posted by bearman:
I saw them open for Morrissey and thought they were dreadfully boring (and Morrissey wasn't that great either). It's really funny how bands just don't understand rock'n'roll these days. There really are only a handful that get it. I'm happy to see that at least there's still a band like Queens of the Stone Age, but so much depends upon a band's image and not on the music. And what's more, kids don't buy LPs. They download music and it has no value to them. It's disposable, and what's more, fan bases are no longer loyal because people's attention spans are too short. I would hate to be in a rock band in this day and age, unless it was Radiohead. They can pretty much put out a record of Thom York making armpit farts and still sell out venues like the Patriot Center.
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Brandon Flowers is going to do anything he can to make his band the next U2......
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Understanding the fact that rock'n'roll should be about how you present your music (i.e. well-written songs that shakes music to its core) and not about how you present a look while posing on the red carpet at the VMAs. All one needs to do is listen to a Stooges or early Ramones record. Sure, both bands looked the part, but it was part of who they were. There was some guts and balls to it. But ultimately, the music is what made them matter. Same thing for the Clash.
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So the Killers don't look the part, or they do look the part but it isn't part of who they are?
If the latter, who are they and what part should they look? And why should looking the part matter anyway? I though rock and roll was about not having any rules?
Now I'm thorougly confused.
Originally posted by bearman:
Understanding the fact that rock'n'roll should be about how you present your music (i.e. well-written songs that shakes music to its core) and not about how you present a look while posing on the red carpet at the VMAs. All one needs to do is listen to a Stooges or early Ramones record. Sure, both bands looked the part, but it was part of who they were. There was some guts and balls to it. But ultimately, the music is what made them matter. Same thing for the Clash.
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And as for nkotb's post, the thing is that not enough younger people educate themselves on what rock'n'roll used to be. I used to laugh at the dinosaurs who turned their noses up at new wave in the 80's because it was too weak and there were synths, but lo and behold, I discovered a lot of the music they listened to and thought that it gave me a better perspective.
All I'm saying is that the music industry is in huge trouble, and I'm just bummed by what passes for "good" these days. Not forgetting about the vitriol of older rock'n'roll makes you more careful to weed out the good from the bad being released these days, and I don't see that as a bad thing. The fact is that I don't have time to invest in a band like Clap Your Hands Say Yeah...I like the Talking Heads more, they did it better 25 years ago. So reinventing? Maybe in some cases, but I also hear a LOT of rehashing.
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Killers soooo sold out. I mean I loved their first album until everyone else started liking it and the radio started playing their stuff. I hate them now.
so your opinion is dependent on that of others? because the mainstream likes them, you can't? how very indie(tm) of you. i got into the first album, and i continue to like it despite what the radio thinks of it (i don't listen to radio that much, so it hasn't been overplayed for me).
i find it funny that people hate certain bands or album because they've been overplayed - not just on the radio, but in their own houses, cars and ipods. and why were they overplayed? because in the beginning, they loved that band or album. it's an over-reaction.
i think reports of the killers' death are greatly exaggerated - let's wait for the album to drop, m'kay?
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Just because you listened to every influential band that every mattered at age 6 doesn't mean these kids have the same access or interest that you do. I grew up in Bumfucksville, and thanks to bands on the radio was able to keep digging deeper to find something I truly cared about. It look awhile, and I'm still playing catch-up to a certain degree, but not everyone has an older brother or cool friends to push them along. If they truly care, they'll find their way, and maybe a band like Panic! is the one that will open the door.
Of course, that's if they even care to find out anything deeper. Remember, music is a recreation for probably 90% of the world's population; they dont' give two shits about the lineage dating back 150 years that brought a band like Panic! to the forefront. They like the beat, or they like they lyrics, or (god forbid) they like the clothes. Either way, who cares?
In the end, it's just rock 'n' roll. And I think putting limits on it or what people should do at any point is bullshit. Wearing a torn t-shirt and a mohawk is just as stiffling and just as uniform as wearing Victorian puffy shirts and eyeliner.
Originally posted by bearman:
And as for nkotb's post, the thing is that not enough younger people educate themselves on what rock'n'roll used to be. I used to laugh at the dinosaurs who turned their noses up at new wave in the 80's because it was too weak and there were synths, but lo and behold, I discovered a lot of the music they listened to and thought that it gave me a better perspective.
All I'm saying is that the music industry is in huge trouble, and I'm just bummed by what passes for "good" these days. Not forgetting about the vitriol of older rock'n'roll makes you more careful to weed out the good from the bad being released these days, and I don't see that as a bad thing. The fact is that I don't have time to invest in a band like Clap Your Hands Say Yeah...I like the Talking Heads more, they did it better 25 years ago. So reinventing? Maybe in some cases, but I also hear a LOT of rehashing.
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Ralph: Miss Hoover! There's a dog in the vent!
Miss Hoover: Ralph, remember the time you saw Snagglepuss outside the window?
Ralph: He was going to the bathroom!
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I'm not trying to target the kids listening to crappy music...I just feel like they deserve better choices. Of course, nowadays with the internet, whatever music you choose is everywhere, as long as you have a computer and access to the internet. In the grand scheme of things, I do care about what happens to rock'n'roll because I think that we need something that is a bit more raw, honest, and dangerous.
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Originally posted by bearman:
I think that we need something that is a bit more raw, honest, and dangerous.
<img src="http://www.nothingcorporate.com/pics/andrew-wk.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Oddly enough, I'm not a fan...but thanks ggw :)
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Originally posted by bearman:
I think that we need something that is a bit more raw, honest, and dangerous.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giYa03n7Gnw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giYa03n7Gnw)
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Originally posted by le sonick:
i dont get it, everyones saying this....is it really THAT different from their first album? The new song (When You Were Young) sounds just like everything off Hot Fuss to me.
What leads me to believe it sounds like Meatloaf is the orchestration and massive Brandon Flowers vocal vibrato; all of which sounds forced.... like Meatloaf.
Remember, just my thought.
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You're a walking rock and roll chiche machine.
Who needs something "dangerous"? Does dangerous make it better? Does "raw" make it better? Does being raw and dangerous equal being honest? What exactly is "dishonest" music?
My favorite album of the year is by Neko Case. I find it neither raw, nor dangerous. I'm not sure if it's honest. And I don't freaking care if it is any of those things. I like how it sounds.
Originally posted by bearman:
I'm not trying to target the kids listening to crappy music...I just feel like they deserve better choices. Of course, nowadays with the internet, whatever music you choose is everywhere, as long as you have a computer and access to the internet. In the grand scheme of things, I do care about what happens to rock'n'roll because I think that we need something that is a bit more raw, honest, and dangerous.
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You're a walking rock and roll chiche machine.
"cliché"?
My favorite album of the year is by Neko Case. I find it neither raw, nor dangerous. I'm not sure if it's honest. And I don't freaking care if it is any of those things. I like how it sounds.
but what if they start playing it on the radio a lot?!? then you're not allowed to like it! :)
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
What exactly is "dishonest" music?
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Maybe I'm looking too deep here, but I'm pretty sure that this post...
Originally posted by beedubyah:
Killers soooo sold out. I mean I loved their first album until everyone else started liking it and the radio started playing their stuff. I hate them now.
...was full of sarcasm.
But that might just be me.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
but what if they start playing it on the radio a lot?!? then you're not allowed to like it! :)
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
My favorite album of the year is by Neko Case. I find it neither raw, nor dangerous.
But she really really wants to be dangerous... (http://www.megapage.org/neko_case/neko_case03062006.jpg)
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...was full of sarcasm.
hehehe, if it was, i bit :)
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I see your...
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
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I'm about to buy a copy from eBay. PLEASE LET HIM TOUR!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Random Citizen PDX:
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I read someone say that Dane Cook's "humor"/schtick is totally self-conscious and that's (one reason) why he doesn't say anything worth listening too. I think the same can be said about the Killers (except the Killers are at least capable of making superficially decent music, whearas Dane Cook just sucks on every level).
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I don't care if you think I'm a cliche...I like all kinds of music (including Neko Case), but I am just simply trying to make a point that it's kind of refreshing when someone throws up their middle fingers and does their own thing. It can be a Bob Dylan, or a Neil Young, or a Joan Jett, or a Johnny Cash or a Thom Yorke. I try to listen to as much as possible and maybe I'm missing something obvious in bands like the Rapture, the Stills, the Kills, the Thrills...etc. Hey, I love the Shins. Does that count for something?
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
My favorite album of the year is by Neko Case. I find it neither raw, nor dangerous. I'm not sure if it's honest. And I don't freaking care if it is any of those things. I like how it sounds.
How scary is it that Rhett and I have the same favorite album of 06?
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Originally posted by nkotb:
I'm about to buy a copy from eBay. PLEASE LET HIM TOUR!!!!!!!!
I just listened to a song from the new album on his myspace page. The production sounds similar (maybe not as dense and rocky, but just as dramatic and epic) but his vocals were a real surprise. Less of the raspy Rob Zombie bark, more of a... Brandon Flowers yelp.
The only time I've stood on the 9:30 stage is during his show, when I got to stand up there for like 10 minutes. Sweet.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Maybe I'm looking too deep here, but I'm pretty sure that this post...
Originally posted by beedubyah:
Killers soooo sold out. I mean I loved their first album until everyone else started liking it and the radio started playing their stuff. I hate them now.
...was full of sarcasm.
But that might just be me.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
but what if they start playing it on the radio a lot?!? then you're not allowed to like it! :)
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You are correct. I dont know that the Killers are the most original band out there but my many people's estimation, they put out a fantastic first album and are a pretty decent live act. Solid band despite what the haters say....
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Originally posted by Mobius:
I read someone say that Dane Cook's "humor"/schtick is totally self-conscious and that's (one reason) why he doesn't say anything worth listening too. Dane Cook just sucks on every level).
Ditto.
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I think you missed NKOTB's point.
Originally posted by beedubyah:
Originally posted by nkotb:
Maybe I'm looking too deep here, but I'm pretty sure that this post...
Originally posted by beedubyah:
Killers soooo sold out. I mean I loved their first album until everyone else started liking it and the radio started playing their stuff. I hate them now.
...was full of sarcasm.
But that might just be me.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
but what if they start playing it on the radio a lot?!? then you're not allowed to like it! :)
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You are correct. I dont know that the Killers are the most original band out there but my many people's estimation, they put out a fantastic first album and are a pretty decent live act. Solid band despite what the haters say.... [/b]
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Originally posted by bearman:
I'm not trying to target the kids listening to crappy music...I just feel like they deserve better choices. Of course, nowadays with the internet, whatever music you choose is everywhere, as long as you have a computer and access to the internet. In the grand scheme of things, I do care about what happens to rock'n'roll because I think that we need something that is a bit more raw, honest, and dangerous.
you should check out dirty pretty things live. i think youll get your raw, honest and dangerous act all rolled into one. (just dont start comparing them to the libertines and every other band before you hear/see them and the kate moss stuff is so cliche). dont worry tho, the killers hype will be gone, as its now being said that kooks are going to be bigger than everyone. thank god im seeing them at a small club before the hype makes me sick of them :eek:
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
you should check out dirty pretty things live. i think youll get your raw, honest and dangerous act all rolled into one. (just dont start comparing them to the libertines and every other band before you hear/see them and the kate moss stuff is so cliche). dont worry tho, the killers hype will be gone, as its now being said that kooks are going to be bigger than everyone. thank god im seeing them at a small club before the hype makes me sick of them :eek:
Are Dirty Pretty Things playing over here, or are you over there (England)?
I thought the Kooks album was pretty weak.
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Arem't they doing a handful of US dates>?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
you should check out dirty pretty things live. i think youll get your raw, honest and dangerous act all rolled into one. (just dont start comparing them to the libertines and every other band before you hear/see them and the kate moss stuff is so cliche). dont worry tho, the killers hype will be gone, as its now being said that kooks are going to be bigger than everyone. thank god im seeing them at a small club before the hype makes me sick of them :eek:
Are Dirty Pretty Things playing over here, or are you over there (England)?
I thought the Kooks album was pretty weak. [/b]
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haha that dude is like 40 years old, and looks it too.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I don't know if the band has jumped the shark, but the drummer has reportedly jumped an Olsen twin.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
you should check out dirty pretty things live. i think youll get your raw, honest and dangerous act all rolled into one.
carl barat = rock star
he carried the libertines (sans-pete) every time i saw them and put on really commanding performances ... if he's half as good in dirty pretty things they'll be a great live act
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsiC5SHsIyo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsiC5SHsIyo)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Are Dirty Pretty Things playing over here, or are you over there (England)?
I thought the Kooks album was pretty weak.
i saw dirty pretty things in new york at the bowery. im in NYC currently. dirty pretty things played 2 shows (i think) in NYC. not sure if they played elsewhere. and im not all that impressed with the kooks but there is quite a bit of hype. as long as they're good live (ill know soon, seeing them at the bowery as well).