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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: jkeisenh on March 30, 2004, 10:57:00 am
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I guess I should assume, from the fact that nobody has posted a thing here yet about it, that people agreed with me about the show... it was OK. I was up pretty close so the sound mixing was terrible-- the female vocals nearly inaudible-- and the extra guitar made the band come off as really quite heavy.
But the crowd, ah, the crowd! Such an odd melting pot of sundry stereotypes, young and old! The epileptic dancer in front of me who kept shouting "Stellastarr!!!" as if to remind the band of their name... the strange gentleman who kept staring towards me... the hippy-like woman who let her skirt dance for her... the loud shouters who ignored the show... the laughers who seemed to know the lyrics yet achieved such enourmous volume with their chuckling that they drown out even the lead singer. The crowd alone was worth $10 to see!
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i think you are being a little harsh...............
i thought the show was pretty good.............granted i wasn't expecting much..........but they far surpassed my expectations.
i thought the crowd were pretty good too............everyone seemed to be having a good time........
plus the lead singer is waaaaaay hotter in reallife than in the videos...........he's like a sexy, spiky porcupine.............
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
plus the lead singer is waaaaaay hotter in reallife than in the videos...........he's like a sexy, spiky porcupine.............
Yeah, and the bassist was pretty cute, too!
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i thought the show was pretty good as well..
the crowd seemed much more energetic than usual..
a pretty fun monday night.
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Couldn't make it out last night. How did Ambulance LTD sound??
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" the strange gentleman who kept staring towards me"
OH, I am sorry, I thought you hadnt noticed.
Ambulance were OK, not great I have an EP thingie it it is a fair bit better than their live sound. They really were not very interesting live.
I thought Stellastarr* were quite decent. Not a fantastic show, but still solid. I thought thye did a good job of their better songs homeland, played 2nd and my Coco, thrown away almost mid set.
Do they keep the birds vocals low because she isnt a great singer? Whenever it did come higher in the mix it sounded a bit iffy to me.
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I thought the show was ok, I think that Tvon the Radio might have been having a better set. I caught the first half of their show and then the second half of Stella. I also got a chance to see parts of Ambulance and the Killers. I think I liked the stylings of the Killers more than their sound which didn't strike me as all that original, but I think Ambulance did pretty well and was disappointed with the fact that they sold out of their CD (full Album).
There were a number of dancers at the show -- in the back some girl was performing her ballet recital.
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Originally posted by tiia:
There were a number of dancers at the show -- in the back some girl was performing her ballet recital.
That was going on a bit at Broken Social Scene...I wonder if it's the kids' new thang?!? ;)
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by tiia:
There were a number of dancers at the show -- in the back some girl was performing her ballet recital.
That was going on a bit at Broken Social Scene...I wonder if it's the kids' new thang?!? ;) [/b]
She was doing alright until a beer got tossed, though that could have been the other girl dancing right next to her. Personally, I loved the guy in the corner with the red parka, which after he started dancing he took off and stuck around his waist, about 15min after that he tucked it into his pants. I thought wow - this guy is really old (because he was)...I think someone needs to give him credit for his "I don't care spirt" so Im hear to say to you old man-- good job!
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Originally posted by tiia:
" so Im hear to say to you old man-- good job!
curses foiled in my attempt to stalk poorlulu :(
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by tiia:
" so Im hear to say to you old man-- good job!
curses foiled in my attempt to stalk poorlulu :( [/b]
And I was sure it was going to be Mank! :p
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I was there and thought it was a good show. I actually thought it was better and more entergetic than their previous show there awhile back. The crowd was a fun and a diverse one for a Monday night. It was great to see people dancing and getting into the music, rather than the usual bunch of people standing still with their arms folded that you see to often at DC shows.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
[QB] OH, I am sorry, I thought you hadnt noticed.
I noticed you ;)
I enjoyed the gig and the dancing! There was a really spastic guy to the left of me who looked like he should of been at a ska show lol.
Stellastarr's "heavy guitar sound" didnt bother me but i guess it drowned out the bassist's backing vocals. Which is too bad cause I like her sound on the album.
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I thought the show was great. The Killers have a lot of potential to be successful (along the lines of Dandy Warhols or Fountains of Wayne), and I'll bet anything they produce a song that either is featured prominently in a mass-market commercial or on some FOX show. They won't become superfamous but they'll be able to avoid getting a real job.
I gave Ambulance three songs and while I can see what they're going for, they don't have the songs or the chops to get there.
I predict Stellastarr is going to reach Smashing Pumpking/Nine Inch Nails level of success in a couple years/records. For a first record, their debut is remarkable. Rather than being a fully formed band, they're going to build on their songwriting and sound and become a sort of American Verve. They've got well-structured, interesting songs that get "emotional", they put on a good live show and have the discipline to crank up the amps without getting too wonky-jammy or noisy, they're genuinely artsy *and* savvy, and they're all good-looking. They played the songs a little too exactly to their counterparts on the record, but Oasis and the Strokes didn't get to where they are by being Phish.
They're going to continue getting better. I'll even go out on a limb and say I won't be surprised if, in 10 or 15 years, they are revered in the way that the Smiths, the Pixies or Pavement is now.
And Sleater-Kinney will be long forgotten.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
in 10 or 15 years.....
And Sleater-Kinney will be long forgotten.
Wanna put money on Stellastarr* versus Sleater-Kinney reputations in 2014?
Yes, I just acknowledged a virtual non-sequiter. ;)
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
And Sleater-Kinney will be long forgotten.
did one of them run over your puppy? I don't have a strong opinion on the band but it is rare to see such dislike for a band.
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must be homophobia
(kidding)
Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
And Sleater-Kinney will be long forgotten.
did one of them run over your puppy? I don't have a strong opinion on the band but it is rare to see such dislike for a band. [/b]
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Something that I noticed about the Stellastar show was the vocalist was much better live than on the album. He toned it down quite a bit judging from the few songs I caught, and I enjoyed the songs so much more because of it. Had he sung like that on the album, I might've been able to listen to it...
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
in 10 or 15 years.....
And Sleater-Kinney will be long forgotten.
Wanna put money on Stellastarr* versus Sleater-Kinney reputations in 2014?
Yes, I just acknowledged a virtual non-sequiter. ;) [/b]
My $$$ is on SK...Stellastarr have taken two or three steps too many towards MTV2.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
I predict Stellastarr is going to reach Smashing Pumpking/Nine Inch Nails level of success in a couple years/records.
I predict that you are going to be taken away in a green van by the men in white coats. Dont worry, the walls will all be soft.
Stellastarr* are thoroughly disposable pop, cynically cashing in on some sort of 80s revival. I think what they are doing is good. I enjoyed the show, but superstars, I really do not see it.
I think you are too dismissive of ambulance, thier recorded material is much better than their live show.
I wasnt impressed that much by the other band.
I think you might have been drunk?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
I predict Stellastarr is going to reach Smashing Pumpking/Nine Inch Nails level of success in a couple years/records.
I predict that you are going to be taken away in a green van by the men in white coats. Dont worry, the walls will all be soft.
Stellastarr* are thoroughly disposable pop, cynically cashing in on some sort of 80s revival. I think what they are doing is good. I enjoyed the show, but superstars, I really do not see it.
I think you are too dismissive of ambulance, thier recorded material is much better than their live show.
I wasnt impressed that much by the other band.
I think you might have been drunk? [/b]
I was drunk at Sleepy Jackson, and that still pretty much blew. At Stellastarr, I was broke so was going light on the whiskey.
You could be right, they could pass through like Ultrasound, ARE Weapons or others that didn't fulfill the hype, but something about them strikes me. I'm assuming that they are going to build on their sound and get better too. I don't understand the 80's retro charge, though there is something that sounds familiar about them.
I won't write off Ambulance, but I was ready to like them a lot after the Killers and couldn't find anything to grab onto.
And I just threw in the additional Sleater-Kinney slam because... I am a prick. Though I must admit, they are one of the few bands that I actively dislike (I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
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In the year 2014, neither Sleater-kinney nor stella* will be making music. The fickle indie hpye followers will have passed them by.
S/K will become three attractive, middle-aged soccer moms living in northwestern suburbs.
Stella* will be living off of their trust funds, making art that nobody buys, living in condos that they bought in 2006 in what was an up-and coming NYC neighborhood which by 2014 had turned passe', then yuppie.
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Sorry to rip into you.
I am just bitter that there were 3 times as many people at stellastarr* than the delgados. But the Delgados were 30 times better.
When a band starts of so derivative of an era, if not a particular group I have a hard time to imagine them becoming huge. I guess bands like radiohead moved on. Most reverred bands I can think of started out sounding different.
I dont particularly care for Sleater Kinney either.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
(I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
During their shows? I've seen them three times, never been lectured to.... If you're talking about lyrics, #1, I don't see it, and #2, I'll bet a HELL of a lot of bands you listen to have a point of view in their lyrics. Otherwise you have a pretty small CD library...
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Originally posted by Friend of Guy Balls:
In the year 2014, neither Sleater-kinney nor stella* will be making music. The fickle indie hpye followers will have passed them by.
We never said they'd still be playing -- but who's reputation will have lasted? And remember, S-K have already been around for 13 years, just getting stronger.... ;) I wouldn't really call that hype.
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(I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
I have a suggestion, aside from stick it up yer ass, which I still strongly urge you to do.
Listen to Billy Bragg - you'd love him :p
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
(I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
During their shows? I've seen them three times, never been lectured to.... If you're talking about lyrics, #1, I don't see it, and #2, I'll bet a HELL of a lot of bands you listen to have a point of view in their lyrics. Otherwise you have a pretty small CD library... [/b]
I have two S-K bootlegs and at the start of both of them, they tell the audience to not smoke, and in the middle of one of them, they tell the audience to stop slamdancing. Now, I don't smoke nor slam, and am sometimes annoyed by those that do, but it's a rock'n'roll show. If I want to be lectured, I'd go back to school.
I will acknowledge the fact that S-K has had a longer-than-usual musical career, and I commend that and am envious of it, but then again, so has Lenny Kravitz and Jewel.
And MarkE, I appreciate your opinion and I'm not going to slag anyone's PoV that they're derivative, I just don't see it and am curious what exactly they are derivative of. I'm listening to the album now and it reminds me of 'Gish' -- which at the time was accused of being derivative of Jane's Addiction.
Oh, for the person who is so obsessed with sticking things up my ass, any chance you're capable of keeping the subject matter focused on the music without obsessing about anal cavities? No? Didn't think so.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
Originally posted by Bags:
I have two S-K bootlegs and at the start of both of them, they tell the audience to not smoke, and in the middle of one of them, they tell the audience to stop slamdancing. Now, I don't smoke nor slam, and am sometimes annoyed by those that do, but it's a rock'n'roll show. If I want to be lectured, I'd go back to school.
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SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing. Their smoking and dancing rants are about the same thing-- that you're there to enjoy the music with *other* people, who should be able to enjoy it too, right?
I agree that lectures are no fun, but I think both things they were talking about were well warranted...
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Lets start easy,
Ok, Pulp song (last track) actually does sound like a song by Pulp, the britpop pioneers.
With most of the songs you could think of another band who has been a direct influence. They score points over, say interpol, though as they dont appear to rip off any melodies directly.
Do they really not sound very 80s to you?
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How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?
SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
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Originally posted by ballard:
How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?
SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
In this case, believing in involving *all*, regardless of age or financial means, as much as possible. (It's like anti-exclusionist.)
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Fugazi was doing it long before S-K. It's a DIY thing more than a feminist thing.
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by ballard:
How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?
SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
In this case, believing in involving *all*, regardless of age or financial means, as much as possible. (It's like anti-exclusionist.) [/b]
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any chance you're capable of keeping the subject matter focused on the music
quite capable, after all I recommended you listen to Billy Bragg, its just hard when people like you talk nonsensical shite
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Are you implying that men can be feminists or do something that's feminist??
Feminist is a way of thinking... you don't have to say to yourself "gosh that's feminist" for something to be so.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Fugazi was doing it long before S-K. It's a DIY thing more than a feminist thing.
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by ballard:
How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?
SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
In this case, believing in involving *all*, regardless of age or financial means, as much as possible. (It's like anti-exclusionist.) [/b]
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I've never been lectured to or told not to smoke/slam/whatever by S-K. Besides, if it's all about the music, which you just chided brennser for, it's got nothing to do with how hard and well they ROCK.
Still, you can hate 'em for any reason. And I can think you're crazy. :p
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Are you implying that men can be feminists or do something that's feminist??
Feminist is a way of thinking... you don't have to say to yourself "gosh that's feminist" for something to be so.
I don't see how admitting all regardless of age or financial means is a feminist thing.
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The Baptist church I attended when i was a child admitted people of all ages and financial means. Were they being feminist?
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I think this is so funny....this is from this half hour's WOXY playlist (which auto-refreshes and lists the last five songs played):
"01:16:44 STELLASTARR* CANCELLED THEIR IN-STUDIO. HONESTLY, I JUST DON'T THINK THEY WANTED TO DO IT. MIKE"
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Probably road weary.