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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: jkeisenh on June 08, 2004, 01:19:00 pm
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It is far better that you should walk, bike, take Metro (bus or rail), jog, crawl, or rollerblade/skate to the club than drive.
It will save you from getting stuck in traffic, paying parking, polluting the air, risking car accidents, fears of drinking and driving, and having us city folk point and laugh at you.
This applies both on weeks that former presidents have died and every other week.
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last time i drove to the club, i got in an accident on the way there...ruined my entire evening....sucked!!!!
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Please. This moral superiorty cars are evil high horse is so played out. Did you ever think that some people have jobs to get to, kids to cart around etc. and need their cars?
What about those folks that don't live near train or bus lines? What are they supposed to do. Oh wait..I forgot...their choice of residence is the result of some sort of inherent inferiority.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Please. This moral superiorty cars are evil high horse is so played out. Did you ever think that some people have jobs to get to, kids to cart around etc. and need their cars?
What about those folks that don't live near train or bus lines? What are they supposed to do. Oh wait..I forgot...their choice of residence is the result of some sort of inherent inferiority.
Thanks, Chaz. You saved me the trouble. As a city dweller myself, I would never be so self-righteous as to laugh at someone driving to the club.
Maybe I'll buy a coal powered vehicle and drive it around, solely to piss chimbly off.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Please. This moral superiorty cars are evil high horse is so played out. Did you ever think that some people have jobs to get to, kids to cart around etc. and need their cars?
What about those folks that don't live near train or bus lines? What are they supposed to do. Oh wait..I forgot...their choice of residence is the result of some sort of inherent inferiority.
Do you disagree? Do you think everyone should drive to 9:30?
Do people bring their kids with to shows very often?
Dood. Chill owt.
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well, it's either i drive or i take a cab. . i'm quite certain that my car gets better gas mileage and better emissions that that cab. can't be bothered with dealing with all that riff-raff on the metro.
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I live within (long) walking distance of the club, but biking sure would be easier. Something I've always wondered is, is there a secure bike rack in or near the parking lot? Or just anyplace well-lit and/or within view of club staff? Not that my bike is so fantastic, but I worry about it being stolen, even with a good lock and cable. Anyone ever had any trouble leaving their bike outside the club?
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by chaz:
Please. This moral superiorty cars are evil high horse is so played out. Did you ever think that some people have jobs to get to, kids to cart around etc. and need their cars?
What about those folks that don't live near train or bus lines? What are they supposed to do. Oh wait..I forgot...their choice of residence is the result of some sort of inherent inferiority.
Do you disagree? Do you think everyone should drive to 9:30?
Do people bring their kids with to shows very often?
Dood. Chill owt. [/b]
I think what people disagree with is the moral superiority, liberal activist 101 crap. Cars at shows are not a zero sum game. It's ridiculous to think that everyone should drive to the club, as it is also ridiculous to think that everyone that lives in the suburbs has an evil existence, and should not own cars (or drive them to the club), because "you take air pollution personally".
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just in case you didn't notice-- this is in response to the "Gentle reminder for this week" thread that is posted at the top of the threads list...
I wrote this because the other posting seemed to assume that everyone drives and failed to suggest good alternatives.
But if you want to take it as your opportunity to defend internal combustion (note... you'll never convert me) go right ahead.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Do you disagree? Do you think everyone should drive to 9:30?
Do people bring their kids with to shows very often?
Dood. Chill owt.
Duh. Obviously I don't think we should all drive to the club and no, I've never brought my kids to 930. And I'm plenty calm...Just calling it like I see it.
I know plenty about the transportation system in this region, what it may lack and how those shortcomings effect things like smart growth (or lack of it) and urban sprawl. I also know that the worst tactic to convince die-hard car drivers to leave the car at home and use transit instead is to call them morons for not doing so. Ok ok i know you didn't use the word moron but we can all read through the lines here and see what you were really saying.
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Originally posted by this monkey:
I live within (long) walking distance of the club, but biking sure would be easier. Something I've always wondered is, is there a secure bike rack in or near the parking lot? Or just anyplace well-lit and/or within view of club staff? Not that my bike is so fantastic, but I worry about it being stolen, even with a good lock and cable. Anyone ever had any trouble leaving their bike outside the club?
I lock my bike right in front of the club for every show, and have never had a problem. There's one of those upside-down u-shaped racks, along with a couple no parking signs, a few meters, and a stop sign.
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eddie's note doesn't imply anything. it says plan accordingly. . .if anything, that's a reminder about using metro, not driving into town. anyway, if you're on your bike, convinced of your superiourity, wouldn't you want to know what streets are closed?
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
just in case you didn't notice-- this is in response to the "Gentle reminder for this week" thread that is posted at the top of the threads list...
I wrote this because the other posting seemed to assume that everyone drives and failed to suggest good alternatives.
But if you want to take it as your opportunity to defend internal combustion (note... you'll never convert me) go right ahead.
Uh, the post didn't assume anything, it just asked people to plan ahead. Those biking would probably need to know the same things. I don't need to defend internal combustion, but I think that suburbanites would (deservedly) take exception at your holier than thou attitude.
Edit: Bede, didn't see your post before I typed this.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
...or rollerblade/skate to the club...
except this would make you look like a big dork
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FYI - eddie is an avid bikerider, i do believe he bikes to the club almost everyday.
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I'm so proud of eddie :roll:
Anyways, I'd rather drive the twenty minutes or less from Arlington then take the hour metro tour. Since I'm sure i'd have to switch trains at least once and that could be a 15-20 minute wait if I'm lucky. Nah, I'll just drive and laugh at all the people walking, jogging, roller blading, crawling, hand walking, para sailing, being sling shot, taking a cab, riding the Metro or riding their bikes to the club.
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Damn does this mean I need to find another way to get to the club from Richmond? Is it OK if I still drive to the shows I bring the kids to? :p
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Biking is tre gay (http://www.xtinaspussy.tk/).
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Biking is tre gay (http://www.xtinaspussy.tk/).
i sudder to think what would have popped up if browers were set to allow pop ups :eek:
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i sudder to think what would have popped up if browers were set to allow pop ups :eek:
The pop up was an Amazon add.....
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i sudder to think what would have popped up if browers were set to allow pop ups :eek:
Don't worry, I sometimes lie in bed at night softly suddering (http://bananayard.ytmnd.com/) too.
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losers, i use my jet pack!
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My gentle reminder is more for the lurkers who are probably coming to shows over the next 4 days so they don't get hosed on the drive into town.
As for driving vs biking, whatever makes sense for people is exactly what they should do. Biking makes more sense for me usually, but sometimes driving is better. I will be driving tonight to go to the suburbs. I prefer to be in a car when getting in accidents involving other cars.
In response to the bike locking safety factor here at the club, one of the guys that works here had his bike stolen after leaving it locked to a signpost out front overnight. It is the signpost by the alley that no longer has a sign on top of it. Other than that I think bikes have been pretty safe on our block. If the upside down u rack and the remaining sign posts are full you can lock down to the raailing by the Backbar stairs.
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What's a girl to do? (http://www.priorywoods.middlesbrough.sch.uk/resources/program/girl.htm)
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frankly, i wish there was a way i could get to and from the club without a car, as i like to drink. alot. $25 cab rides are about the only option as i live in that big section of virginia that looks like a metro station should be there, but there isn't one. but...i also don't see why everyone is getting so crazy about chimbly's post. lighten up folks
actually bus/metroed into the city today for a conference. i was of course stuck waiting in balston for a bus for like 45 minutes. also, i don't know how the suitwearers in the area do it. i sweated so much today
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i also don't see why everyone is getting so crazy about chimbly's post. lighten up folks
You obviously can't read.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i also don't see why everyone is getting so crazy about chimbly's post.
Because we had the exact same discussion last week and it quickly devolved into chimbly stating that all suburbanites were evil, selfish, horrible people, determined to kill everyone who lives in the city - all because they don't want to ride their bikes from Vienna to the club.
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i wrecked my car last month and have been too lazy to get another one.
haha.
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
Because we had the exact same discussion last week and it quickly devolved into chimbly stating that all suburbanites were evil, selfish, horrible people, determined to kill everyone who lives in the city - all because they don't want to ride their bikes from Vienna to the club.
Guys, guys. Come on. I know we'll never live in my ideal world, and yes, I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
I do think it's important to encourage people to use alternatives and to constantly remind people that all that traffic crap is actually something you *chose* to get involved in. Americans just forget that nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to live far from other transit. There are options.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Because we had the exact same discussion last week and it quickly devolved into chimbly stating that all suburbanites were evil, selfish, horrible people, determined to kill everyone who lives in the city - all because they don't want to ride their bikes from Vienna to the club.
Guys, guys. Come on. I know we'll never live in my ideal world, and yes, I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
I do think it's important to encourage people to use alternatives and to constantly remind people that all that traffic crap is actually something you *chose* to get involved in. Americans just forget that nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to live far from other transit. There are options. [/b]
It is impossible for every human being to live next to a transit.
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i also don't see why everyone is getting so crazy about chimbly's post.
Because we had the exact same discussion last week and it quickly devolved into chimbly stating that all suburbanites were evil, selfish, horrible people, determined to kill everyone who lives in the city - all because they don't want to ride their bikes from Vienna to the club. [/b]
but...this one was obviously meant to be at least semihumorous. i repeat my "lighten up folks"
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If you're a well paid yuppie and/or willing to live in a shacky studio or one bedroom apartment with an overpriced rent, you should be able to pull it off (living next to mass transit). Otherwise, you're selfish and evil, god damnit!
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Because we had the exact same discussion last week and it quickly devolved into chimbly stating that all suburbanites were evil, selfish, horrible people, determined to kill everyone who lives in the city - all because they don't want to ride their bikes from Vienna to the club.
Guys, guys. Come on. I know we'll never live in my ideal world, and yes, I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
I do think it's important to encourage people to use alternatives and to constantly remind people that all that traffic crap is actually something you *chose* to get involved in. Americans just forget that nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to live far from other transit. There are options. [/b]
It is impossible for every human being to live next to a transit. [/b]
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Guys, guys. Come on. I know we'll never live in my ideal world, and yes, I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
I do think it's important to encourage people to use alternatives and to constantly remind people that all that traffic crap is actually something you *chose* to get involved in. Americans just forget that nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to live far from other transit. There are options.
Of course there are options for some people and I also encourage all people to use available alternatives (I take the bus to work everyday for chrissake), but the basis for your argument is just so short sighted. Gimme a break. Many circumstances lead people to wind up living where there do, primarily $$$. Do you think it's just some sort of coincidence that typically in this country it's the low income low density areas that have limited access to public transit? What are all those people supposed to do? Move to NW DC where theres a subway stop every two blocks? Do you think all the people who have to drive to their crappy minimum wage jobs in PG county or wherever do it by choice? These choices exist for some people (generally white people with money) but tha sad fact is that most people get stranded with few options.
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Gentrifier.
Originally posted by chaz:
I take the bus to work everyday for chrissake
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Well as I always say, I'm against gentrification...Unless of course I happen to own property in the area! ;)
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Gentrifier.
Originally posted by chaz:
I take the bus to work everyday for chrissake
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Ride my bike to the club!!!! :eek: Are you fucking nuts?? With the D.C. living pond-scum, my bike would be gone in a second, it's much more desirable than my car.
Not only that, it's so much more fun playing kill the pedestrian in DC when you have 3,000 of metal under you instead of 17lbs of 358 steel.
I like to put liquid lead in my gas tank just as I cross over the state line into DC, and watch the fuckers choke half to death as I drive by.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
Do you speak Norsk? Sounds great. Go for it!
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
Do you speak Norsk? Sounds great. Go for it! [/b]
You should try Holland, I think that is the cycling country of the world....they have government owned bikes that people just take and ride as needed, then leave them for the next person.
Can you imagine that in DC.....one weekend and they'd all be missing, in some pawn shop in MD/VA.
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I've heard bicycle theft is really bad there. People steal bikes and then toss them in the canals.
EDIT -- this is in Amsterdam, which is in no way representative of Holland as a whole!
Originally posted by Bollocks:
You should try Holland, I think that is the cycling country of the world....they have government owned bikes that people just take and ride as needed, then leave them for the next person.
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I love the French more and more each day...
http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=5382586 (http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=5382586)
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ok... so I do have Norwegian relatives, though I'm not a born Norwegian I am just one generation removed.
Also, Madison, WI and many other prog towns have shared bike programs. There they had red bikes and yellow bikes. Red bikes were donated and you take it somewhere and leave it there. It was always a treat to walk out of a place and see a red bike there-- it meant a faster trip home! The yellow bikes are free but you check them out in your name and lock them-- like a free rental. That program worked, but it was fueled by a community that kept donating bikes.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
Do you speak Norsk? Sounds great. Go for it! [/b]
You should try Holland, I think that is the cycling country of the world....they have government owned bikes that people just take and ride as needed, then leave them for the next person.
Can you imagine that in DC.....one weekend and they'd all be missing, in some pawn shop in MD/VA. [/b]
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Why did I know all the bikes in Madison, Wisconsin would either be red or yellow?
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
ok... so I do have Norwegian relatives, though I'm not a born Norwegian I am just one generation removed.
Also, Madison, WI and many other prog towns have shared bike programs. There they had red bikes and yellow bikes. Red bikes were donated and you take it somewhere and leave it there. It was always a treat to walk out of a place and see a red bike there-- it meant a faster trip home! The yellow bikes are free but you check them out in your name and lock them-- like a free rental. That program worked, but it was fueled by a community that kept donating bikes.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
Do you speak Norsk? Sounds great. Go for it! [/b]
You should try Holland, I think that is the cycling country of the world....they have government owned bikes that people just take and ride as needed, then leave them for the next person.
Can you imagine that in DC.....one weekend and they'd all be missing, in some pawn shop in MD/VA. [/b]
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
ok... so I do have Norwegian relatives, though I'm not a born Norwegian I am just one generation removed.
Also, Madison, WI and many other prog towns have shared bike programs. There they had red bikes and yellow bikes. Red bikes were donated and you take it somewhere and leave it there. It was always a treat to walk out of a place and see a red bike there-- it meant a faster trip home! The yellow bikes are free but you check them out in your name and lock them-- like a free rental. That program worked, but it was fueled by a community that kept donating bikes.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I have explored my citizenship options for Norway.
Do you speak Norsk? Sounds great. Go for it! [/b]
You should try Holland, I think that is the cycling country of the world....they have government owned bikes that people just take and ride as needed, then leave them for the next person.
Can you imagine that in DC.....one weekend and they'd all be missing, in some pawn shop in MD/VA. [/b]
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olympia, wa has pink ones. also: paris to ban suvs? (http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=5382586)
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WHOA NELLY!!! Mankie just thought of a business in DC...a feck'n goldmine of a business.
RICKSHAWS! I'm going to buy a fleet of rickshaws to transport the burbanites about....we can sit and wait at the state line and just pick them up on the way into town.
Chimbly....you in? :D
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Sure, why not?
Did anyone see the article about how South Africa is going to start mixing donkey carts into its public transit fleet? Can't find the article right now but it's pretty funny, that.
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Great idea. I'm surprised the couriers haven't picked up on that yet.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
RICKSHAWS! I'm going to buy a fleet of rickshaws to transport the burbanites about....we can sit and wait at the state line and just pick them up on the way into town.
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True story: I once had to perform a sobriety test after being 'pulled over' on my bicycle.
Friends don't let friends bike drunk.
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Originally posted by grotty:
True story: I once had to perform a sobriety test after being 'pulled over' on my bicycle.
Friends don't let friends bike drunk.
I have been terrified of getting a BUI but found out for real... in DC, you will NOT get a DUI/BUI. you can get charged with reckless endangerment if you're punch drunk and rolling full speed down the 13th street hill. or disorderly conduct if you're biking and disrobing. or running a red light. but there's no BUI in DC!
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by grotty:
True story: I once had to perform a sobriety test after being 'pulled over' on my bicycle.
Friends don't let friends bike drunk.
I have been terrified of getting a BUI but found out for real... in DC, you will NOT get a DUI/BUI. you can get charged with reckless endangerment if you're punch drunk and rolling full speed down the 13th street hill. or disorderly conduct if you're biking and disrobing. or running a red light. but there's no BUI in DC! [/b]
Then why don't they ticket those arsehole messengers for running reds then?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I've heard bicycle theft is really bad there. People steal bikes and then toss them in the canals.
EDIT -- this is in Amsterdam, which is in no way representative of Holland as a whole!
Originally posted by Bollocks:
You should try Holland, I think that is the cycling country of the world....they have government owned bikes that people just take and ride as needed, then leave them for the next person.
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Screw Holland! It's strictly dog eat dog (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_981501.html) there.
"Even the dog food has dog in it..."
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There's a bulletin board called bikeforums that I lurk on where there was a whole discussion devoted to cyclists rights to run red lights and stop signs. At the risk of sounding like an old codger... unless there's a good reason to run a red light, I don't see why cyclists should.
As to why cops we never see cops ticket them, who knows. Perhaps cops are embarassed to ticket cyclists.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Then why don't they ticket those arsehole messengers for running reds then?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
There's a bulletin board called bikeforums that I lurk on where there was a whole discussion devoted to cyclists rights to run red lights and stop signs. At the risk of sounding like an old codger... unless there's a good reason to run a red light, I don't see why cyclists should.
As to why cops we never see cops ticket them, who knows. Perhaps cops are embarassed to ticket cyclists.
Originally posted by Bollockbusters:
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Do DC cops ever actually issue moving violations to anybody?
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don't be shy thirsty - we don't bite over there - post away
as for me, if the light is red and theres no traffic.....well lets just say I view it as one of the perks of biking.....
There's a bulletin board called bikeforums that I lurk on where there was a whole discussion devoted to cyclists rights to run red lights and stop signs. At the risk of sounding like an old codger... unless there's a good reason to run a red light, I don't see why cyclists should.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by grotty:
True story: I once had to perform a sobriety test after being 'pulled over' on my bicycle.
Friends don't let friends bike drunk.
I have been terrified of getting a BUI but found out for real... in DC, you will NOT get a DUI/BUI. you can get charged with reckless endangerment if you're punch drunk and rolling full speed down the 13th street hill. or disorderly conduct if you're biking and disrobing. or running a red light. but there's no BUI in DC! [/b]
well, that's interesting. one of my friends got bike-jacked in san diego comeing back from the bar. he was pretty fucked up, i hear
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
There's a bulletin board called bikeforums that I lurk on where there was a whole discussion devoted to cyclists rights to run red lights and stop signs. At the risk of sounding like an old codger... unless there's a good reason to run a red light, I don't see why cyclists should.
How about... cuz it makes us get there fast, faster than cars! I run red lights whenever it's safe. I don't roll out in front of traffic, but if it's clear, I go.
I also beat all the cars I see headed to/from downtown on my commute. The light running helps.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
How about... cuz it makes us get there fast, faster than cars! I run red lights whenever it's safe. I don't roll out in front of traffic, but if it's clear, I go.
I also beat all the cars I see headed to/from downtown on my commute. The light running helps.
i bet you jaywalk too.
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I bet you red light running bikers would be the first to piss and moan if you got whacked by a car who was very legally going through on green.
Do Brennser and Chimbly also weave in and out of a line of cars then get all pissed off when they nearly get hit by a car very legally turning....do they also ride on the sidewalk and scare the crap out of pedestrians as they speed by, even though it's called a sideWALK, not a sideCYCLE?
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yup! i do jaywalk.
and i once had this great idea... 14th street was repaved this fall and it took them like a month to get the lines on it. i wanted to go in the middle of the night and spraypaint on lines and fun icons the way i would do it... a running lane, a bike lane, a rollerblade lane, a bus lane, a dog walking lane, a baby stroller lane, a duck crossing lane, and then maybe, if there was space, a car lane.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
I bet you red light running bikers would be the first to piss and moan if you got whacked by a car who was very legally going through on green.
Do Brennser and Chimbly also weave in and out of a line of cars then get all pissed off when they nearly get hit by a car very legally turning....do they also ride on the sidewalk and scare the crap out of pedestrians as they speed by, even though it's called a sideWALK, not a sideCYCLE?
Is there any doubt in your mind what the answer to this question is?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
I bet you red light running bikers would be the first to piss and moan if you got whacked by a car who was very legally going through on green.
Do Brennser and Chimbly also weave in and out of a line of cars then get all pissed off when they nearly get hit by a car very legally turning....do they also ride on the sidewalk and scare the crap out of pedestrians as they speed by, even though it's called a sideWALK, not a sideCYCLE?
I do whatever is safe to get me where I'm going quickly. I weave through traffic, but only when it's stopped at a red light or going significantly slower than me.
I DO NOT (nor does any respectable cyclist!) bike on the sidewalk. It's illegal in downtown DC, for one. And it's shameful.
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Suddenly opening the car door does wonders for stopping bicycles.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I DO NOT (nor does any respectable cyclist!) bike on the sidewalk. It's illegal in downtown DC, for one. And it's shameful.
well, jaywalking is illegal. . .so you just pick and choose which laws you want to obey depending solely on what's best for you?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
do they also ride on the sidewalk and scare the crap out of pedestrians as they speed by, even though it's called a sideWALK, not a sideCYCLE?
Ahh, Bollocks!
Cars have roads, pedestrians have paths. It leaves cyclists with a few pretty average cycle paths in the city. I guess people have to learn to share.
I cycle on sidewalks and run red lights. Will I go to hell?
I think I scarred more little old ladies when I ran than I do on my cycle. At least on the bike I am past them before they realise it. When I ran, as the slow, lumbering, deep breathing, unhappy looking person approaching from the rear, I always got a reaction. I guess I should have run on the road, too?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
well, jaywalking is illegal. . .so you just pick and choose which laws you want to obey depending solely on what's best for you?
So you dont jaywalk, you always come to a complete halt at stop signs, you do not speed and you have never driven after a beer and a half?
And YOU dont pick and choose the laws YOU wish to obey?
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I'm as avid a cyclist as anybody, but the way most cyclists behave it's no wonder most people fucking hate us. I hate them and I am one for God's sake.
A little courtesy and obeying the laws would do wonders to improve the attitude of others towards cyclists.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
So you dont jaywalk, you always come to a complete halt at stop signs, you do not speed and you have never driven after a beer and a half?
And YOU dont pick and choose the laws YOU wish to obey?
oh, come on. . it's more fun to throw stones. :)
and i will stop at stop signs (i also stop before making a right hand turn, unless i have a green), and tend not to jaywalk. sure i speed, but apparently most people drive faster than i do (at least according to the fiancee). . and i won't address the drinking and driving.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
A little courtesy would do wonders to improve the attitude of others towards cyclists.
I am plenty for that.
there are plenty of things I dont think are a good idea. Racing through an intersection that there are a lot of pedestrians crossing and cycling the wrong way up a busy street or road.
Stuff like that annoys the tits of me. But running a red light....
I suppose, like Bede points out, you never speed in your car?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
oh, come on. . it's more fun to throw stones. :)
Sure is.
I imagine most well grounded people choose to break the law on a regular basis.
Just be grateful I didnt bring up your H habit.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Just be grateful I didnt bring up your H habit.
hey, just because i like to wear long-sleeved shirts all the time doesn't mean anything.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I suppose, like Bede points out, you never speed in your car? [/b]
Ever tried actually driving the speed limit around here??
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
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well, that's interesting. one of my friends got bike-jacked in san diego comeing back from the bar. he was pretty fucked up, i hear [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Not that I condone either, but it's much more difficult to ride a bike when you are under-the-influence than it is to drive a car. :D
I still find cabs to be the best option for show going if you're in a 'festive' mood. [Assuming I can remember to save the fare $$.]
Too bad Pittsburgh only has about 5 cabs total. And no public trans other than buses. Now here's a city that could use your help Chimbly.
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Originally posted by grotty:
Not that I condone either, but it's much more difficult to ride a bike when you are under-the-influence than it is to drive a car. :D
Let's not forget, though, how many people drunk driving kills, compared to drunk biking.
Cars are homocidal machines. Bikes, well, you'd have to be really screwed up.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Bikes, well, you'd have to be really screwed up.
Force= Mass x Acceleration
Even if you ignore the speed element,say you get hit by both a car and a bike going 10 miles an hour, the lightest current cars in America weigh about 3000lbs. The lightest bikes weigh half of one percent of that. With rider you are looking at around 5-10% of the energy involved in the impact...
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Force= Mass x Acceleration
Even if you ignore the speed element,say you get hit by both a car and a bike going 10 miles an hour, the lightest current cars in America weigh about 3000lbs. The lightest bikes weigh half of one percent of that. With rider you are looking at around 5-10% of the energy involved in the impact...
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
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Let's not forget, though, how many people drunk driving kills, compared to drunk biking.
Cars are homocidal machines. Bikes, well, you'd have to be really screwed up. [/QB]
I bet getting hit by a plane would fuck you up more than a car, what about those big-arsed passenger ships, OUCH!.....and how about an elephant? If you're minding your own business swimming in the sea and a whale comes along not watching what he's doing so bumps into, he'd really fuck you up chimbly.
Let's rid the world of everything except bikes and people.
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This is hilarious.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I bet getting hit by a plane would fuck you up more than a car, what about those big-arsed passenger ships, OUCH!.....and how about an elephant? If you're minding your own business swimming in the sea and a whale comes along not watching what he's doing so bumps into, he'd really fuck you up chimbly.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
[QB] http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html (http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html)
I still have never solved a rubicks cube. I did sonsider taking all of the stickers off and then re-applying them.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
[QB] http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html (http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html)
I still have never solved a rubicks cube. I did sonsider taking all of the stickers off and then re-applying them. [/b]
The fact you actually read the test speaks volumes.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
The fact you actually read the test speaks volumes.
It has been on the board multiple times.
I scored well in it, like I do all tests.
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Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
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well, that's interesting. one of my friends got bike-jacked in san diego comeing back from the bar. he was pretty fucked up, i hear [/QB]
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Not that I condone either, but it's much more difficult to ride a bike when you are under-the-influence than it is to drive a car. :D
I still find cabs to be the best option for show going if you're in a 'festive' mood. [Assuming I can remember to save the fare $$.]
Too bad Pittsburgh only has about 5 cabs total. And no public trans other than buses. Now here's a city that could use your help Chimbly. [/QB][/QUOTE]you obviously don't live between dahtahn and south hills village. my old roommate lives in dormont, and the "t" is good stuff for going home. when i worked downtown, i used to get trashed all the time as i road the bus to and from work. good times.
the night before my sisters wedding i was blown away. we were in cabs in pittsburgh for one, and the cabbies spoke english. crazy town
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Do Brennser and Chimbly also weave in and out of a line of cars then get all pissed off when they nearly get hit by a car very legally turning....do they also ride on the sidewalk and scare the crap out of pedestrians as they speed by, even though it's called a sideWALK, not a sideCYCLE?
umm, no - never ride on sidewalks and don't get pissed off at a car legally turning provided it signals which about 50% of the drivers in DC fail to do
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I bet you red light running bikers would be the first to piss and moan if you got whacked by a car who was very legally going through on green.
Do Brennser and Chimbly also weave in and out of a line of cars then get all pissed off when they nearly get hit by a car very legally turning....do they also ride on the sidewalk and scare the crap out of pedestrians as they speed by, even though it's called a sideWALK, not a sideCYCLE?
Is there any doubt in your mind what the answer to this question is? [/b]
who the hell do you think you are? - you don't know me from Adam and you think you can say what I do and don't do?
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Originally posted by brennser:
Do Brennser and Chimbly also weave in and out of a line of cars then get all pissed off when they nearly get hit by a car very legally turning....do they also ride on the sidewalk and scare the crap out of pedestrians as they speed by, even though it's called a sideWALK, not a sideCYCLE?
umm, no - never ride on sidewalks and don't get pissed off at a car legally turning provided it signals which about 50% of the drivers in DC fail to do [/b]
Why would there be a need to signal your turn unless some fucking cyclist was running a red?
;)
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the sooner we get you on a plane to Ireland the better..... ;) [/b][/quote]
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Originally posted by brennser:
[QB] the sooner we get you on a plane to Ireland the better..... :D
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again, time to explore citizenship options... frlom the G8 Summit:
"The only senior official who has outright refused to use a GEM (fancy golf cart) is European Commission President Romano Prodi, Izvestia reported. He asked for a bicycle."
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I do whatever is safe to get me where I'm going quickly. I weave through traffic, but only when it's stopped at a red light or going significantly slower than me.
It's not safe if you're not obeying the same laws that the cars are. You will have saved some small portion of the ozone, but may well end up road kill for your efforts.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by grotty:
Not that I condone either, but it's much more difficult to ride a bike when you are under-the-influence than it is to drive a car. :D
Let's not forget, though, how many people drunk driving kills, compared to drunk biking.
Cars are homocidal machines. Bikes, well, you'd have to be really screwed up. [/b]
Speaking from personal experience, I've had more severe physical harm done to myself, several times, in biking accidents than in any car accident I've been in. None of them, be it bikes or cars, were under the influence.
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I think the hispanic I hit with my car a month ago is probably thinking right now that its safer to drive then bike. In my defense he did roll thru a stop sign, luckily for him I was only going 25 and hit his back tire. I think he only did two summersaults before coming to a hault.
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As I was crossing 13th St. today during lunch I saw a cop ticket a guy for jaywalking. The cop repeatedly told the guy to stop. The guy didn't realize the cop was talking to him.
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I wouldnt have stopped either, I'm sure the cop was overweight and couldnt have caught him on his best day if he were to run away.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
I wouldnt have stopped either, I'm sure the cop was overweight and couldnt have caught him on his best day if he were to run away.
Run!!! A brisk walk would beat those lard-arses.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
As I was crossing 13th St. today during lunch I saw a cop ticket a guy for jaywalking. The cop repeatedly told the guy to stop. The guy didn't realize the cop was talking to him.
Raises an interesting question-- that of identifying yourself. Let's say he tries to ticket you. And you refuse to identify yourself... what, is he going to take you in and book you as jon/jane doe? and what if you give a fake name and address? See, unless you're operating a motor vehicle, you're not required to carry id...
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They can hold you until you produce ID.
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Raises an interesting question-- that of identifying yourself. Let's say he tries to ticket you. And you refuse to identify yourself... what, is he going to take you in and book you as jon/jane doe? and what if you give a fake name and address? See, unless you're operating a motor vehicle, you're not required to carry id...
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yeah, be sure you always have your papers on you
for jaywalking, i doubt they would go through the trouble of holding you. would they?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
yeah, be sure you always have your papers on you
for jaywalking, i doubt they would go through the trouble of holding you. would they?
"Can" they and "will" they are two entirely different questions.
Technically, I'm sure they can hold you until you prove who you are. However, in my experience, DC cops don't really enforce anything. Unless you count parking tickets. But those aren't really cops, and parking is only enforced in certain parts of the city and during certain parts of the day.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
However, in my experience, DC cops don't really enforce anything. Unless you count parking tickets. But those aren't really cops, and parking is only enforced in certain parts of the city and during certain parts of the day.
they also enforce public drinking laws around American University
actually I guess they don't, they really just harass students, they don't really give tickets
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You know she ran a red!!
Charity cycle ride woman killed
A 69-year-old woman has died in a road collision while on a cycle ride for children's charity Childline.
Shirley Bartley, from Victory Road, Rainham, Essex, started her ride around England on Monday from Essex.
She was killed after a collision between her bike and a red Vauxhall van on the A27 near Havant, Hampshire.
The accident at about 0915 BST on Friday caused major tailbacks of up to nine miles. Police are appealing for witnesses to come forward.
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And not one red light was run!!!!
Jane's epic journey raises £232k
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Days after her triumphant arrival in Leeds, terminal cancer sufferer Jane Tomlinson has revealed her Rome to Home bike ride has raised £232,000.
The mother-of-three arrived back in Leeds on Monday after a gruelling five-week tandem bike ride across Europe with her brother Luke Goward.
Mrs Tomlinson had hoped to raise £100,000 during the ride but an additional £135,000 has poured in.
In the last 26 months, she has raised £720,000 for cancer charities.
'Aching bones'
"The generosity of the public has touched me deeply," said Mrs Tomlinson.
"I feel weary, tired and sore after the ride but the monies raised make it all worthwhile, especially when you see it being used to such good effect.
"The thousands of letters and messages make me feel very humble."
Her husband Mike said: "As an appeal we don't hold mailing lists and there are no marketing letters.
"None of the money that has come in on the bike ride has been from commercial sponsorship, it's all been from the public having read about Jane in the media.
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"There are two recurring messages coming through in letters to her; that Jane is giving people hope and everyone wants her to get to a million.
"The sooner I can get to a million, the sooner Jane can stop and her aching bones can rest, surely she deserves that."
Mrs Tomlinson returned to work on Wednesday as a paediatric radiographer.
Mr Tomlinson said: "She is settling back into domestic life without a problem.
"On Monday night she sat on the couch and said, 'It's like I've never been away, a complete hiatus'."
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My apologies ahead of time for diverting the topic, being ignorant and lazy to look this up - but what is the DC law regarding cell phone usage while driving?
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
My apologies ahead of time for diverting the topic, being ignorant and lazy to look this up - but what is the DC law regarding cell phone usage while driving?
The bill passed council and was signed into law by the mayor but hasn't gone into effect yet.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
My apologies ahead of time for diverting the topic, being ignorant and lazy to look this up - but what is the DC law regarding cell phone usage while driving?
The bill [/b]
Making it illegal to use a cell phone while driving that is? Reason I ask...I am not a cell phone driver/talker unless absolutely necessary...a friend called my cell as I pulled into 9:30's lot a few weeks ago. I knew it was important, so I picked up. I was about to tell him to hold on to put the phone down while I pulled in and the cop told me "hey, it's illegal to drive and talk on your cell phone in DC. yeah, if a cop sees you talking on your cell phone while driving he can give you a ticket."
Well, I don't abuse the cell phone to ear ratio and no, I really didn't know that there was a law intact as he seemed to imply. He went back to flirting with the attendent. I'm probably just being pissy & wincing b/c I don't use the phone that much in the car and he wasn't that nice about it.