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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: G.Love on April 01, 2004, 04:08:00 pm
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Anyone going to DC United's first game this saturday? I think it will be televised on ABC...
Anyone care?
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yes, and yes, but i'm more thrilled that marco mullet is gone and think the freddy hype is a bit much.
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How old is he? 14? Way too much hype for a kid. I just hope they play him very sparingly because it could really destroy his potential career starting at such a young age. Look at Michael Owen....he's always injured now, because they pushed him too much as a kid.
I'm glad the overrated Marco Itchybelly has gone. Not exactly a team player either was he?
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I will be watching it on tv.
I am glad that Etcheverry is gone also because he was out there dogging it and only putting in the effort when he was within 2 feet of the ball.
The only thing that pisses me off about the team is that they fired Ray Hudson - I think he did well for the talent that the team had or didn't have.
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yeah, i do think they jumped the gun on hudson. he had a lot of shit to put up with those players. dc united also made some stupid trading moves in the last couple of years that put him in an even worse position.
i do hope moreno can recalim some of his glory, but he might be past his olden days of strong play. not to mention he always is injury riddled.
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I'm going...have half season tickets with a huge group.
Etcheverry was great in the beginning, but lost it as his star ostensibly 'rose' -- hoping this is a comeback season, folks.
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bags, what section you in? i'm in 231.
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Mankie, how old was M.Owen when he started out in the premier league - 16?
60 minutes indicated that Adu is older than 14, and that his family lied about his age (or mom I should say because the dad split). Either way I hope he does well so that Washington DC can have at least one decent team!
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yeah, i don't buy that 14 bit...i think either 16 or 17...
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He looked 20, but I don't know why they'd be lying that he's *younger* than he is...
lily, I'll let you know what section we're in -- I don't remember and my tix are at home.
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yeah, i don't buy that 14 bit...i think either 16 or 17...
my neighbors kids played soccer with adu (and his brother) a few years ago (so when adu was 11 or 12) - they insist his real age is probly more like 16
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In Europe you have to 18 to play professionally, although Owens did play in the "minor league" system.
Dingleberry did lose it, but his age was way understated too-- he was actually around 35/36 last year.
Freddy is an amazing talent. One that garners the praise put on him, but he will be a target by every person outside of the MLS. For the MLS, the players won't want to hurt him as he will help their meal ticket by selling more tickets and thus increasing the yearly adjusted cap dollars for the players. But believe me, every MLS player thinks Freddy will have to prove himself...
Firing Ray to me was the thing that bothers me most. He had way to many injuries last year and lost a lot of his best players to the U23 cup, etc. (convey, olson, ruiz, and quantaverra were gone over 5 games each). Listening to that guy talk- I'd follow him into any battle.
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In Europe you have to 18 to play professionally, although Owens did play in the "minor league" system.
you're kidding right?
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Originally posted by brennser:
In Europe you have to 18 to play professionally, although Owens did play in the "minor league" system.
you're kidding right? [/b]
Please...tell me more of this "minor league" system.
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Originally posted by brennser:
yeah, i don't buy that 14 bit...i think either 16 or 17...
my neighbors kids played soccer with adu (and his brother) a few years ago (so when adu was 11 or 12) - they insist his real age is probly more like 16 [/b]
My friend schooled him in an inter-league game last year...we have it on tape.
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I'll be there and am psyched as I missed most of last season while away on assignment.
Again, it will be another season where I do not recognize the team on the pitch as the season starts.
Cheers,
paddy
who is psyched to catch Dylan tonight at the 9:30
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Regarding Michael Owen-- no disrespect meant towards MO. He did not sign and play with the Liverpool premiership until he was 18. He played with the England's U15 team when he was younger and then played as part of Liverpool's "club system". That's what I meant. I wasn't trying to disrespect English or European soccer by calling their D1, etc. minor league....
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Originally posted by mowglibush:
Regarding Michael Owen-- no disrespect meant towards MO. He did not sign and play with the Liverpool premiership until he was 18. He played with the England's U15 team when he was younger and then played as part of Liverpool's "club system". That's what I meant. I wasn't trying to disrespect English or European soccer by calling their D1, etc. minor league....
Okay, we'll let you off this time...don't Americanize the beautiful game by bringing in silly phrases like....minor league...Britain is already little America, at least let us keep our sports.
;)
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In Europe you have to 18 to play professionally
not to harp on this, but a bunch of players have played in the premiership well before their 18th birthdays, milner at leeds, rooney at everton etc, even going back to big norm for man u
not sure if they are prohibited from signing a pro contract until they're 18
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Originally posted by lily1:
bags, what section you in? i'm in 231.
We're in sections 231 and 232! So I'm sure I'll see you there...Is yours a season ticket?
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very nice start to the season. and that second goal was beautiful.
i'm so glad we have jaime moreno back. i just hope he stays injury free.
freddy was ok. he's go skills, but his size and speed are going to need to increase to be able to hold his own this season and coming seasons.
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Originally posted by lily1:
freddy was ok. he's go skills, but his size and speed are going to need to increase to be able to hold his own this season and coming seasons.
Man, can you believe how tiny he looked out on that field?
Lily, do you have season tickets in section 231? If so, we'll have to meet up during a game and share a beer! [Well, not share, you know what I mean!]
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On TV it was a nightmare.
They hyped it on ABC for weeks and then in the first 15 seconds they announced that he wasn't starting so everyone who tuned in to see him (mostly people who would probably not watch MLS) promptly changed the channel.
MLS has their big chance to gain some new fans and they completely drop the ball.
Anyhow, when he finally did come in (thank god for TiVo because the soccer was abysmal) he looked a little lost out there, trying to find the flow of the game. But he was good for a 14 year old out there, but not quite worthy of the hype. Yet.
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14 is just far too young to be playing in that league, even in the girlie doodle league. Mind you, he could play for Arsenal after the way they bitched and moaned about the tackling on Saturday!!!
If he is this protege that the hype says he is, he should be playing with his age group while being coached for the future. How old was Convey when he started?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
How old was Convey when he started?
He made his debut for DC United at 15.
And he will likely be in the Premiership within 2 years, likely to Tottenham.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
How old was Convey when he started?
He made his debut for DC United at 15.
And he will likely be in the Premiership within 2 years, likely to Tottenham. [/b]
Why did they refuse his work permit earlier this year? That was weird.
I just think starting players too young jeapordizes their career in the long run. Look at Owen, he wasn't really 'young' but he was small and he gets injured very easily now, and I think that's because they pushed him before his body had matured enough for that level. Rooney, as big as he is, (he's built like an ox) I think Everton have done the right thing by playing him relatively sparingly this season.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Why did they refuse his work permit earlier this year? That was weird.
I just think starting players too young jeapordizes their career in the long run. Look at Owen, he wasn't really 'young' but he was small and he gets injured very easily now, and I think that's because they pushed him before his body had matured enough for that level. Rooney, as big as he is, (he's built like an ox) I think Everton have done the right thing by playing him relatively sparingly this season.
I think it was because Tottenham were only going to use him for 4 months and then give him back to DC United for the MLS opener.
Until MLS plays it's schedule the same as the rest of the world, this will be an ongoing problem. Landon Donovan tried to go over to Portsmouth before the start of the MLS season, but FIFA changed the transfer rules for MLS players saying that if he went to England, he would not be able to transfer back until the August Transfer window, thus missing the majority of the MLS season. The sad part is, I actually agree with FIFA on this one, though I would like to see more American's in England for development purposes.
And you're spot on about the way Liverpool handled Owen in contrast to Everton's early handling of Rooney. And England and Rooney will be the beneficiary in the future.
The difference in America is that (a) Bobby Convey (who was actually 16, my bad) was the most talented player for United at that position at that time and (b) MLS is in danger of going under and needs a hero now - enter the 14 year old phenom, Freddy Adu. That doesn't make it right, mind you, I'm just letting you know why they did what they did.