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hey kosmo, can you make this a sticky to keep suburbanites away? (i kid, i kid)
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Neighbors Call For Kili's to Close
By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 27, 2005; B01
A soldier who had recently returned from duty in Iraq was killed and another man was critically injured during a shooting early yesterday near a Northwest Washington nightclub whose liquor license renewal has drawn protests from neighborhood activists.
Police officers on patrol near the 1800 block of Eighth Street NW in the Shaw community heard gunshots at 3:05 a.m. and found Antre-Vyn Mason-Black, 24, of Clinton inside a car bleeding from gunshot wounds, D.C. police Sgt. Joe Gentile said. Mason-Black was taken to the medical examiner's office, where he was pronounced dead, Gentile said.
A 23-year-old man who had been on the sidewalk near the car was shot in the neck and was listed in critical and guarded condition at a hospital last night, officials said. That man's identity was not released by police because he is a witness to a crime.
The nightclub near the scene, Kili's Kafe, was hosting a D.C. Caribbean Carnival party Saturday night. Police said it is unclear whether the victims, or the people being questioned in the case, were at the club before the shooting.
But the violence spurred D.C. Council member Jim Graham (D-Ward 1) to ask D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey yesterday to temporarily shut down Kili's. The Cardozo-Shaw Neighborhood Association already was protesting renewal of the club's liquor license, saying its late-night patrons are a nuisance.
Ramsey declined to shutter the club yesterday, allowing its "Grand Finale" Caribbean Carnival celebration to take place last night. "The investigation is continuing," Gentile said. "We don't have sufficient facts yet to make a decision to close the club."
Ramsey ordered more officers to patrol the streets surrounding the club, near Howard University.
After stopping a car that had been seen speeding from the area of the shooting, police questioned three suspects, and a handgun was recovered from the vehicle. No charges in the shooting had been filed as of late last night, said Lt. Robert Glover. Glover also said that Mason-Black had recently returned from Army duty in Iraq, though no further details were available.
Graham said that Kili's drew hundreds of revelers for the all-night Caribbean party Saturday and that it was the only draw in the neighborhood at that hour. "I want him to shut down this place because this is the source of the violence," Graham said of Ramsey. "What else is there? This is the magnet for violence in the neighborhood."
Gentile said he could not discuss the club's history yesterday or say whether crimes have been associated with it.
Havanah Llewellyn, operations manager for Kili's, said the club was being unfairly linked to the killing. "It's a tragic incident," he said. "I don't think it's related to the club at all. . . . We saw not so much as an argument or a fight that occurred throughout the night. This occurred down the street."
Kili's is trying to be a considerate neighbor, Llewellyn said. On Friday night, when the club attracted nearly 2,000 revelers, it hired seven off-duty police officers at a cost of $3,500 for added security, and no incidents were reported, he said. On the night of the shooting, Kili's relied on its own security and did not hire off-duty police, he said.
Graham and the neighborhood association are protesting the liquor license held by Kili's, arguing that the business generates trash, noise and unruly patrons.
"The neighbors are upset," said Alan Rosenthal of the neighborhood association. "Kili's operates in a way that means late-night noise, after-hours events in violation of its lease, trash and litter and loitering after events. . . . We want them to sit down with us and work out a voluntary agreement that will address these issues."
Graham and Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D) are also trying to revoke the liquor license of Club U in the Reeves Municipal Center after a February incident in which one of its patrons, the victim of a stabbing, died just outside the club. The city's liquor board is expected to make a decision this week, Graham said.
"This is an ongoing controversy," Graham said. "This is not about any other issue but homicide. It's not about go-go. It's not about race. It's just about violence. And the violence must stop."
Staff writer Allan Lengel contributed to this report.
© 2005 The Washington Post Company
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Kill-ie's Cafe?
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I find it so tragic that a guy who survived all the bullsh*t in Iraq had to die on the streets of DC. I'm totally creeped out by this story because a week or so ago, running late to a friend's show at DC9, I had to park my car over near there...It will have an impact on me when I'm trying to do things in the vicinity of DC9/930 club and Velvet Lounge. I feel terrible for both men's families and friends...and what a great idea for Congress to begin proceedings to repeal DC's ban on handguns...Okay you Libertarians, flame me for saying that, but isn't this a case of even with the laws in place, it's still a nightmare? What happens when they repeal the ban?
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
I find it so tragic that a guy who survived all the bullsh*t in Iraq had to die on the streets of DC.
Dammit. I had under 3 hours in the pool.
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pussies!
i've got one more year @ old dominion u. (norfolk) and we have a murder/carjacking approx every other week. i've had a gun pulled on me and know 6 or 7 other people who've been victims as well.
this is all part of the thrill of "urban" life. it's sad for any families left behind, but it's part of the risk one takes...
the people who live in these neighborhoods deal with this violence 24/7 - 365. we only have to deal with it for 4 years.
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Originally posted by filthypit:
pussies!
i've got one more year @ old dominion u. (norfolk) and we have a murder/carjacking approx every other week. i've had a gun pulled on me and know 6 or 7 other people who've been victims as well.
this is all part of the thrill of "urban" life. it's sad for any families left behind, but it's part of the risk one takes...
the people who live in these neighborhoods deal with this violence 24/7 - 365. we only have to deal with it for 4 years.
wow, dood, that's a bizarre view...cause YOU only see it for four years, it's just a fact of life - and we're pussies for thinking it's wrong? Are you a philosophy major? Hey, by the way, accepting status quo is not in the spirit of Bono...
:p
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I was actually down at this place around 7 at a house party across the street. Of course the shooting took place at 3 AM..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR2005062600957.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR2005062600957.html)
too friggin weird.
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There's another story in the Post Metro section about a 28 year old man found shot on the sidewalk in front of Felix in Adams Morgan on the same night - at 3:50 a.m...WTF!
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Looks like the DC Eagle is going to have to relocate...
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I hate my neighbors sometimes...
The shooting didn't take place at the club, just near it. Who's to say the same people weren't over at the Backbar or at the show at the 930 Club? I mean it's all the same area! Gentrification in effect woohoo! Close anything "black" related in the 3rd District now!
I saw that someone else was shot up in Adams Morgan, why aren't neighbors calling for action and shut all the bars down on 18th St? I mean seriously, all these indie-yuppies (yes stolen from the other thread) coming into the city to live only to find out, it's not crime free. What did you expect? People are pissed they're getting pushed further and further out and their rent is going up and up.
Hell just this past weekend, two of my neighbors had their yuppie mobiles broken into and their XM radios stolen, right in the back of our alleyway in their driveways. Doesn't surprise me at all...
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Yes, I'm always hearing of shootings on the local news in PG County and DC, and it's always those goddamn white people doing all of the shooting.
Originally posted by MindCage:
I hate my neighbors sometimes...
The shooting didn't take place at the club, just near it. Who's to say the same people weren't over at the Backbar or at the show at the 930 Club? I mean it's all the same area! Gentrification in effect woohoo! Close anything "black" related in the 3rd District now!
I saw that someone else was shot up in Adams Morgan, why aren't neighbors calling for action and shut all the bars down on 18th St? I mean seriously, all these indie-yuppies (yes stolen from the other thread) coming into the city to live only to find out, it's not crime free. What did you expect? People are pissed they're getting pushed further and further out and their rent is going up and up.
Hell just this past weekend, two of my neighbors had their yuppie mobiles broken into and their XM radios stolen, right in the back of our alleyway in their driveways. Doesn't surprise me at all...
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DC: An Exciting Place to Live, Work & Die.
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"If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very, very low crime rate."
-Marion Barry
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I can't find any confirmation about this shooting in front of Felix's... what;s the deal?
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Originally posted by smakawhat:
I can't find any confirmation about this shooting in front of Felix's... what;s the deal?
there was very little info in the blurb in the Post, i would paste a link but the Post's search is down right now
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Yes, I'm always hearing of shootings on the local news in PG County and DC, and it's always those goddamn white people doing all of the shooting.
The point was that to blame the club for something that didn't take place inside their establishment is a bit unfair and biased. The same thing could easily have happened on a night that say Chuck Brown was playing the 930 Club and someone ends up getting shot in the same area. Would the 930 Club then be getting threatened with being shutdown? Doubt it!
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The other point is that the 930 Club does not arbitrarily decide when or even IF to hire extra security for the back parking/etc. If it's a capacity crowd, and they know the demographics for that crowd may require it - they STAFF UP. The stupid asses who make these decisions at Killi's decided NOT TO ADD EXTRA SECURITY - even tho they knew the Caribbean festival would attract almost 2,000 people - btw: many of whom may have been DRINKING ALL DAY - and advertise an "after hours" environment. They DID NOT ADD EXTRA SECURITY. BAD DECISION. This whole issue, according to tv and newpapers reports, started inside over some chicks...Killi's management/ownership certainly SHOULD get some of the blame here. According to reports, they made other stupid decisions in the past which have really pissed off the local residents. I don't care what color the crowd/perps/victims/residents are: The establishment is the primary reason this happened THERE.
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you can't blame the club owners for their patron's bad behavior (getting pissed & shooting each other).
since you can't tell whether someone's armed & dangerous by how they look, it would be practically impossible to assign culpability...
unless, of course, you blame their mama for neglecting to structure their early childhood so as to include social attachement(s) - and teach them right from wrong.
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You can blame them for serving the alcohol which fueled the crime.
Originally posted by filthypit:
you can't blame the club owners for their patron's bad behavior (getting pissed & shooting each other).
since you can't tell whether someone's armed & dangerous by how they look, it would be practically impossible to assign culpability...
unless, of course, you blame their mama for neglecting to structure their early childhood so as to include social attachement(s) - and teach them right from wrong.
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then let's reinstate prohibition!
that'll teach the bastards to get tanked up and shoot one another!!!
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Originally posted by filthypit:
you can't blame the club owners for their patron's bad behavior (getting pissed & shooting each other).
I disagree...the 9:30 has such a stringent and visible anti-violence/underage drinking/nuisance policy, that I think Staff is a primary reason there are rarely problems at a club that hosts all kind of music nearly every night of the week.
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
The other point is that the 930 Club does not arbitrarily decide when or even IF to hire extra security for the back parking/etc. If it's a capacity crowd, and they know the demographics for that crowd may require it - they STAFF UP. The stupid asses who make these decisions at Killi's decided NOT TO ADD EXTRA SECURITY - even tho they knew the Caribbean festival would attract almost 2,000 people - btw: many of whom may have been DRINKING ALL DAY - and advertise an "after hours" environment. They DID NOT ADD EXTRA SECURITY. BAD DECISION. This whole issue, according to tv and newpapers reports, started inside over some chicks...Killi's management/ownership certainly SHOULD get some of the blame here. According to reports, they made other stupid decisions in the past which have really pissed off the local residents. I don't care what color the crowd/perps/victims/residents are: The establishment is the primary reason this happened THERE.
What blame should the club get? Seriously, you're talking out your ass. Regardless if the club had extra security, the problem occured outside it's establishment, like down the street from it, not in front of it's doors or even "common law" sidewalk property did it take place. So what if the patrons were at the club. You can staff up all you want, but what happens around the corner from the club isn't going to stop what happens. Did they actually drink there? You don't know...they could have gotten tanked before showing up, maybe only paid a cover to get in. As you stated, people were drinking all day. So to blame a club that the alcohol fueled the fire is crap. The persons themselves are responsible for their actions and their actions only. People are so quick to point fingers as a scapegoat as to a problem just because they don't like ANY nightclub entertainment in the U St/Cardoza area. Why do you think they're trying to shutdown just about every one of them at the drop of a body (hat just wouldn't work here)
A few years ago, a friend of mine was shot in the stomach after leaving a show at Nation while at a gas station. Should Nation be held liable because that's where he was before getting shot? Didn't think so...
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If you have a party at your house and someone gets loaded on booze and drives off and kills someone with their car, aren't you in part legally responsible for their actions? If so, how is this any different?
Originally posted by MindCage:
Originally posted by BadSushi:
The other point is that the 930 Club does not arbitrarily decide when or even IF to hire extra security for the back parking/etc. If it's a capacity crowd, and they know the demographics for that crowd may require it - they STAFF UP. The stupid asses who make these decisions at Killi's decided NOT TO ADD EXTRA SECURITY - even tho they knew the Caribbean festival would attract almost 2,000 people - btw: many of whom may have been DRINKING ALL DAY - and advertise an "after hours" environment. They DID NOT ADD EXTRA SECURITY. BAD DECISION. This whole issue, according to tv and newpapers reports, started inside over some chicks...Killi's management/ownership certainly SHOULD get some of the blame here. According to reports, they made other stupid decisions in the past which have really pissed off the local residents. I don't care what color the crowd/perps/victims/residents are: The establishment is the primary reason this happened THERE.
What blame should the club get? Seriously, you're talking out your ass. Regardless if the club had extra security, the problem occured outside it's establishment, like down the street from it, not in front of it's doors or even "common law" sidewalk property did it take place. So what if the patrons were at the club. You can staff up all you want, but what happens around the corner from the club isn't going to stop what happens. Did they actually drink there? You don't know...they could have gotten tanked before showing up, maybe only paid a cover to get in. As you stated, people were drinking all day. So to blame a club that the alcohol fueled the fire is crap. The persons themselves are responsible for their actions and their actions only. People are so quick to point fingers as a scapegoat as to a problem just because they don't like ANY nightclub entertainment in the U St/Cardoza area. Why do you think they're trying to shutdown just about every one of them at the drop of a body (hat just wouldn't work here)
A few years ago, a friend of mine was shot in the stomach after leaving a show at Nation while at a gas station. Should Nation be held liable because that's where he was before getting shot? Didn't think so...
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
If you have a party at your house and someone gets loaded on booze and drives off and kills someone with their car, aren't you in part legally responsible for their actions? If so, how is this any different?
i'm still waiting with baited breath for my first day of law school this fall, but yes, that's how i've understood the law ... same thing if you're a bartender who serves someone who is visibly drunk and they go kill someone in a DUI ... but of course laws like this differ from state to state ...
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I don't think they're trying to close down every club in the U st corridor. I think they're trying to close down clubs where PEOPLE GET FUC*ING KILLED after being inside. There's a big difference between DEAD and cigarette butts and beer bottle lying around. I drove by the Reeves building the night the guy was stabbed. The fight was going on right by the front door, and people were standing around cheering like it was a fucking prize fight...yeah, real cool. Oh, btw: the undercover security hired by 930 DO STROLL AROUND A BIT...remember that when you're doin' your post-show doobie.
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edit: undercover changed to "plain clothes"...
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i maintain - it's DEAD wrong to prosecute clubs/hosts when some surley asshole gets tanked up at their place and goes out and becomes violent.... behavior that's almost impossible to predict without venturing into profiling (which REALLY should be illegal).
these idiots who are trying to legislate everything (bike helmets, seatbelts, baggy trousers, etc) are just adding to the already overwhelmed judicial system w/ shit cases.
in recent years i've found the security @ 9.30 to be random at best. there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to when they bring in extra goons.
and when they do hire extra goons, they don't seem to be interested in the actual trouble makers, they just hassle people whose looks they don't like.
every now and then the lookouts up in the crow's nests DO point out an actual menace, but more often than not - their discretion is lacking.
i guess i'm still pissed about that 16yr old fucktard @ the door who insisted i walk back to my car and get my license - when I AM CLEARLY OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS FUCKING MOTHER!!!!!
(and i had to pee REALLY bad)
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Originally posted by filthypit:
in recent years i've found the security @ 9.30 to be random at best. there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to when they bring in extra goons.
and when they do hire extra goons, they don't seem to be interested in the actual trouble makers, they just hassle people whose looks they don't like.
every now and then the lookouts up in the crow's nests DO point out an actual menace, but more often than not - their discretion is lacking.
i guess i'm still pissed about that 16yr old fucktard @ the door who insisted i walk back to my car and get my license - when I AM CLEARLY OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS FUCKING MOTHER!!!!!
(and i had to pee REALLY bad)
For the record, 930 Club just doesn't bring in "extra goons" as you put it. They're all regularly staffed security, but sometimes they'll schedule more people on. So, these people do know what they're doing. Just like any other job when you're going to have more people than expected, you'll bring in more people to cover all areas. Like Target or Giant does on a weekend...There is a method to Ed's madness ;)
Hey, you could have gone in the club and been marked underage, gone and peed, then gone back out to your car to get your license if you had to go that bad. Then again, most people realize they're about to go into a club knowing they'll be checked for ID if they want to drink, and will have their ID on them, but hey that's just common sense talking...
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Originally posted by filthypit:
in recent years i've found the security @ 9.30 to be random at best. there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to when they bring in extra goons.
and when they do hire extra goons, they don't seem to be interested in the actual trouble makers, they just hassle people whose looks they don't like.
every now and then the lookouts up in the crow's nests DO point out an actual menace, but more often than not - their discretion is lacking.
i guess i'm still pissed about that 16yr old fucktard @ the door who insisted i walk back to my car and get my license - when I AM CLEARLY OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS FUCKING MOTHER!!!!!
(and i had to pee REALLY bad)
I have a friend who at 18 looked 35. They have to card if you wish to drink. You could have said, mark me underage and peed. If you are that old, why oh why would you ever leave your license in your car? That just seems odd.
As too "goons", I will let That Guy talk on it.
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Originally posted by filthypit:
in recent years i've found the security @ 9.30 to be random at best. there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to when they bring in extra goons.
there are many different factors that go into the decision of how many people we need working on a given night. presale, band requests, high maintenence crowds, potential for certain behaviors, etc. it's far from random. we never "hire extra" staph either. we have a pool of staph that have all been through training and some work more than others. if we need more help or someone's special skills, we go into our reserves, but never outside of our people.
goons? i hardly think that's an accurate descriptive word for the door staph. take a look at the staph next time you're there. we've got a fairly diverse mix of male and female, big and little, ugly and cute, etc. i wouldn't consider any of them goons. thugs and brutes, maybe. not goons.
and when they do hire extra goons, they don't seem to be interested in the actual trouble makers, they just hassle people whose looks they don't like.
every now and then the lookouts up in the crow's nests DO point out an actual menace, but more often than not - their discretion is lacking.
please provide concrete examples. nothing beginning with "i heard..." or "my friend saw..." or anything similar. if you're going to accuse an entire staph of discrimination and profiling in a public space, you'd damn well better have something concrete to back it up.
most of what the door staph does is invisible to the eyes of the crowd if we do it right. quick and quiet interventions to resolve issues is our goal. this is not always possible, but we try.
i guess i'm still pissed about that 16yr old fucktard @ the door who insisted i walk back to my car and get my license - when I AM CLEARLY OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS FUCKING MOTHER!!!!!
(and i had to pee REALLY bad)
there are no 16 year olds on the door staph. you have to be at least 21 to do the job. the person at the door (aren't insults a bit unnecessary, especially from someone old enough to be someone's mother?) was doing their job to protect our liquor liscense. we are an all ages club that serves alcohol, so we have to be more careful than any other clubs. the liqour law in dc states that you must have id on you to drink alcohol. it's really that simple. there are mulitple signs posted clearly outside the club reminding you that you need to have your id ready. we would've gladly given you an underage stamp for the night, or even temporarily until you provided id. your attitude and anger about this situation is totally unfounded, and directing it at a member of the staph doing their job is inappropriate.
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"One time my friend" saw this security guy grab this chick's boobies! How inappropriate! Oh wait, later "I heard" it was his girlfriend or something. :p
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Originally posted by MindCage:
"One time my friend" saw this security guy grab this chick's boobies! How inappropriate! Oh wait, later "I heard" it was his girlfriend or something. :p
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IT WASN"T A CHICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by thatguy:
if we need more help or someone's special skills, we go into our reserves, but never outside of our people.
chicks dig guys with skills
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I have a friend who at 18 looked 35.
I know you're 32
But you look 55
- Go-Betweens "Right Here"
we have a pool of staph
Shit, no wonder the building's sick! :p
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
I have a friend who at 18 looked 35.
I know you're 32
But you look 55
- Go-Betweens "Right Here"
we have a pool of staph
Shit, no wonder the building's sick! :p [/b]
Quoting the Go-Betweens. You rule. Did you ever catch them at the club?
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here's the deal:
i've been going to 9.30 since the early 80's and haven't been carded since '92 -
that is...
UNTIL!
the night i was about to piss my pants after waiting in line for 45mins to see placebo.
only then did the punk-ass-bitch @ the door decide to fuck w/ me over an id.
i know you guys like to think of yourselves as being the center of hipster universe, but i have to respectfully disagree w/ you re: your "staph" of bouncers (goons). for the most part, things gel pretty good there, but the fact that you're all so defensive speaks clearly about reality.
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oh yea-
re: going to pee stamped as a minor
uhm-m-m-m.
don't confuse me with reasonable solutions or facts. :roll:
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Originally posted by filthypit:
i know you guys like to think of yourselves as being the center of hipster universe
no, no, no ... that's the black cat staph! jeez!
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ok, well...
that was uncalled for.
i apologize for my forked tongue.
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Originally posted by filthypit:
here's the deal:
i've been going to 9.30 since the early 80's and haven't been carded since '92 -
that is...
UNTIL!
the night i was about to piss my pants after waiting in line for 45mins to see placebo.
only then did the punk-ass-bitch @ the door decide to fuck w/ me over an id.
i know you guys like to think of yourselves as being the center of hipster universe, but i have to respectfully disagree w/ you re: your "staph" of bouncers (goons). for the most part, things gel pretty good there, but the fact that you're all so defensive speaks clearly about reality.
Judging from your reply, I'm really having trouble believing you are as old as you say you are...Then again, at times you do sound like an old hag. Perhaps you should be fucking flattered they were requesting your ID and thinking you were so young.
No one fucked with you over an ID..they're doing their job. Forgive them for caring about their job and the establishment they work for! I don't think anyone is getting defensive as much as clearly pointing out what an ass you are and not thinking logically and with common sense.
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mindcage's hotbutton:
...you do sound like an old hag.
No one fucked with you over an ID..they're doing their job. Forgive them for caring about their job and the establishment they work for! I don't think anyone is getting defensive as much as clearly pointing out what an ass you are and not thinking logically and with common sense.
OK mr. fuck-wit, fair enough. ^^^but if that ain't defensive, i don't know what is.
yes, and after some coffee and deep thinking, i apologized for my forked tongue.
i guess you don't like having your hipness questioned/insulted? that in itself is pretty funny.
for the record:
my friends call me hagatha
and the zitface kids across the street called me an ass last week...
so FucktardCage, your nasty little temper tantrum has not blurred your thinking. you are spot on in your choice of name calling.
based on your eloquent retort, i'm quite sure you're every bit as hip as you envision yourself.
have a great holiday weekend!
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Originally posted by filthypit:
oh yea-
re: going to pee stamped as a minor
uhm-m-m-m.
don't confuse me with reasonable solutions or facts. :roll:
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Originally posted by filthypit:
for the record:
my friends call me hagatha
and the zitface kids across the street called me an ass last week...
I'm struggling to imagine why - you seem so mild mannered and even temepered based on your posts here on the board.
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Originally posted by filthypit:
here's the deal:
i've been going to 9.30 since the early 80's and haven't been carded since '92 -
i call bullshit. you are lying. if you've been to the club, you've been carded.
that is...
UNTIL!
the night i was about to piss my pants after waiting in line for 45mins to see placebo.
so, you had 45 minutes in line to read all of the signs that say "please have valid id ready if you are over 21" and plenty of time to go back to your car to get it.
only then did the punk-ass-bitch @ the door decide to fuck w/ me over an id.
why must you resort to insults? it's really not a very good way to present yourself in a public forum. how about a discussion between adults with no silly name calling?
let me say this once again, to make sure we're clear. no one is "fucking you over." the door staph are responsible for protecting the club's liqour liscense. if you cannont present valid id proving your age, you cannot drink in the club. it's the law. very simple. we could get shut down if we didn't follow it.
i know you guys like to think of yourselves as being the center of hipster universe, but i have to respectfully disagree w/ you re: your "staph" of bouncers (goons). for the most part, things gel pretty good there, but the fact that you're all so defensive speaks clearly about reality.
i want nothing to do with the hipster universe.
you may respectfully disagree all you want, but until you can provide some concrete evidence to back your statements up, you have no business attacking the staph in a public forum. i'm only defensive when attacked. i have been perfectly calm, clear, and rational in response to your rude, unfounded attacks. if you have any concerns based in reality, please feel free to contact me here or at the club. until then, please refrain from posting these baseless attacks.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
I have a friend who at 18 looked 35.
I know you're 32
But you look 55
- Go-Betweens "Right Here"
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Quoting the Go-Betweens. You rule. Did you ever catch them at the club? [/b]
Nah. One of many bands I wish I had seen.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by filthypit:
here's the deal:
i've been going to 9.30 since the early 80's and haven't been carded since '92 -
i call bullshit. you are lying. if you've been to the club, you've been carded.
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I agree, that's bullshit. I've been going to the club an average of 2.5 times a month since 1990. This obviously makes me old -- late 30s. I get carded every single time I go to the club. As do my 40 year old friends.
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Clack Clack.
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Originally posted by filthypit:
mindcage's hotbutton:
...you do sound like an old hag.
No one fucked with you over an ID..they're doing their job. Forgive them for caring about their job and the establishment they work for! I don't think anyone is getting defensive as much as clearly pointing out what an ass you are and not thinking logically and with common sense.
OK mr. fuck-wit, fair enough. ^^^but if that ain't defensive, i don't know what is.
yes, and after some coffee and deep thinking, i apologized for my forked tongue.
i guess you don't like having your hipness questioned/insulted? that in itself is pretty funny.
for the record:
my friends call me hagatha
and the zitface kids across the street called me an ass last week...
so FucktardCage, your nasty little temper tantrum has not blurred your thinking. you are spot on in your choice of name calling.
based on your eloquent retort, i'm quite sure you're every bit as hip as you envision yourself.
have a great holiday weekend! [/b]
Where my mom works, the clients sometimes call her "The White Haired Bitch". She is proud of this title.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
I have a friend who at 18 looked 35.
I know you're 32
But you look 55
- Go-Betweens "Right Here"
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Quoting the Go-Betweens. You rule. Did you ever catch them at the club? [/b]
Nah. One of many bands I wish I had seen. [/b]
Did you at least catch the two main guys there at the club about 7-8 years back? There were few people there, but I think all of Fugazi made it.
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Originally posted by filthypit:
OK mr. fuck-wit, fair enough. ^^^but if that ain't defensive, i don't know what is.
yes, and after some coffee and deep thinking, i apologized for my forked tongue.
i guess you don't like having your hipness questioned/insulted? that in itself is pretty funny.
for the record:
my friends call me hagatha
and the zitface kids across the street called me an ass last week...
so FucktardCage, your nasty little temper tantrum has not blurred your thinking. you are spot on in your choice of name calling.
based on your eloquent retort, i'm quite sure you're every bit as hip as you envision yourself.
have a great holiday weekend!
AHAHAHAHA! I'm a hipster? What's funny is the amount of name-calling you're doing. Apparently I must have hit a nerve somewhere, yet you go on to tell me I was dead on with calling you a hag. I guess the coffee got to you again...
The only thing I will say again is "I don't think anyone is getting defensive as much as clearly pointing out what an ass you are" I don't work for the club, I'm far from indie, and you make me laugh :)
You have a good weekend too. I'll be with all my hipster friends down at Nation tonight DJing all those indie tunes for sure!
MindCage
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Did you at least catch the two main guys there at the club about 7-8 years back? There were few people there, but I think all of Fugazi made it.
Nope, no GBs in any combo.
I've rarely seen well-known musicians at other concerts. I saw The Waterboys in '85 at The Bayou; Tommy Keene and Ted Nicely were there. The Saints show in '87 brought out a bunch. Three guys stuck around to get Chris Bailey's autograph: me, Kim Kane and Jeff Nelson. And I ran into Robyn Hitchcock sometime in the early 90's at the annual Xmas party for radio and record company/store peoples. He had been dragged there by some HFS chumps who are now screwing up WRNR.
And of course Ian working at Y&T....
As for meeting musicians after shows, at release parties, etc., my list is pretty long. I'll spare you the details....