930 Forums
=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: paige on April 04, 2004, 12:49:00 pm
-
ok so we all know that bob dylan is really old, really scraggly, and kind of scary looking. however, he's still pretty damn legendary and i think played a great show last night. i didn't know every single song he played, but it was no matter because it all sounded wonderful. instead of one encore he did two, which was fun.
complaint about Bender, though: mainly just the location of the bathrooms. for real, the lines were so insanely long, but then were all compressed behind more seats and walls that it was almost impossible to move. badtimes.
overall, i thought the crowd was pretty cool - lots of aging hippies, lots of aging hippies with their kids, dads bringing their sons and daughters, random stoners, college kids, and the like. the permeating smell of the incense, however, wasn't so cool. ugh, i hate incense.
-
I love it when people make fun of the people that still go to 80's shows when they are going to freakin' 60's-70's shows. :roll:
-
Better yet Guiny, is how so much of the newer music that they listen to is strongly influenced by so much 80s music now.
I almost can't wait for some of them to age about 15-20 years and watch them have to put up with much younger people telling them how washed up they and their music are. Better yet, all the insinuations that they should just stay home and rock in their rocking chairs and not in the rock clubs.
It's attitudes like that that will make them age before their time. :D
I think that one of the few exceptions is Walkie, ironically, one of the youngest people on the board. Cheers to you Walkie! ;)
-
heh.
90's Punk Decries Punks of Today (http://www.theonion.com/onion3919/90s_punk.html)
BERKELEY, CAâ??Nineties punk Drew Tolbert, 29, expressed scorn Monday for the punks of today, denouncing them as "phony poseurs unworthy of the word 'punk.'"
These kids today have no idea what real punk is," said Tolbert, who called himself "Steve Spew" from 1992 until May 1999...
-
Originally posted by Jaguär:
I think that one of the few exceptions is Walkie, ironically, one of the youngest people on the board. Cheers to you Walkie! ;)
Thanks, Jag. You know, I just listen to what I like â?? and it hasn't failed me yet...
-
I love how all the older people are all so bitter, and group everyone else on the board in to one group no matter what the topic is.
-
That's only happened after so much bashing by the younger people. Or in some cases, some of the older ones who can't break out of the 'getting too old to rock' kind of thinking mode.
Turn around is only fair play.
You rarely ever see on this board older people making fun of younger people and their music, at least on the basis of age or newness. It happens but not much. But you do very often see others tearing apart seasoned rockers or older music.
As a statistian would do, throw Flawd and Mankie out of the picture. They are the extremes of either side of the issue. :p
-
Originally posted by walkie hearts you all:
Originally posted by Jaguär:
I think that one of the few exceptions is Walkie, ironically, one of the youngest people on the board. Cheers to you Walkie! ;)
Thanks, Jag. You know, I just listen to what I like â?? and it hasn't failed me yet... [/b]
Same here. Part of the reason I rarely bother with critics. I tend to only skim to see what's out there, not what they think about it. Once in awhile I find something I really like and it turns out to be something from years ago that slipped past my radar and it's as though it's brand new to me. Generally, it all has to do with my own personal taste and my moods.
-
in the immortal words of those hardcore Canadian punk rockers Three Days Grace...
"I Hate Everything About You"
and
"You Shit Is Overrated"
Have a nice day :D
-
Originally posted by Jaguär:
I think that one of the few exceptions is Walkie, ironically, one of the youngest people on the board. Cheers to you Walkie! ;)
What about me? ;)
-
shut up
-
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
I love it when people make fun of the people that still go to 80's shows when they are going to freakin' 60's-70's shows. :roll:
You go and see crap like Berlin and Flock of seagulls. Its not that its old that I take umbridge with, its that it was crap at the time. It is crap now, and till the day the sun burns up it will always be crap.
I like music from every decade except the 50's, I save that for Rhett. The only people who do not like music from more than one decade are Guiny and Mankie, who only go to shows if the band or its members acheived fame in the 80's.
phew I feel better for getting that off of my chest.
-
So what's your favorite artists from 1900-1949? and where do you thing the Beatles, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, The Who, etc would be without the influence of artists from the 50s? And I do believe that Bowie got his fame earlier than the 80's...
-
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
and where do you thing the Beatles, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, The Who, etc would be without the influence of artists from the 50s?
You can like a band without liking their influences.
-
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
So what's your favorite artists from 1900-1949?
I meant the Rock and Roll era. Which probably really started in the 50s. The 50s thing was just a nod to Rhett and his liking of music from a past decade, but not the 80s.
Oh yea and what Pollard said.
-
Has anyone else seen the Victoria Secret commercial featuring Bob Dylan? It is so weird, sad, and funny.
-
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
So what's your favorite artists from 1900-1949?
I meant the Rock and Roll era. Which probably really started in the 50s. The 50s thing was just a nod to Rhett and his liking of music from a past decade, but not the 80s.
Oh yea and what Pollard said. [/b]
I totally admit to not liking the Beach Boys but enjoy many of the bands influenced by them. And tis fine if you were just taking a shot at Rhett about 50's music. But to disregard an entire decade of the most influential music for future generations seems a bit closed minded. I would suspect that Buddy Holly, Little Richard, Elvis, Sam Cooke, Larry Williams, Bill Haley, Carl Perkins, The Isley Brothers, Otis Redding, Eddie Cochran, just to mention a few will have longer lasting impact then say Soft Cell, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Myracle Brah, Elbow, Adam Green, etc.
I'm listening to a neat compliation called "The American Roots of the British Invasion", which has the orginial American artists recordings of songs later recorded by British Invasion artists.
-
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
I love it when people make fun of the people that still go to 80's shows when they are going to freakin' 60's-70's shows. :roll:
You go and see crap like Berlin and Flock of seagulls. Its not that its old that I take umbridge with, its that it was crap at the time. I like music from every decade except the 50's, I save that for Rhett. The only people who do not like music from more than one decade are Guiny and Mankie, who only go to shows if the band or its members acheived fame in the 80's.
[/b]
Was BDB from the 80's? What about T-Rex? How about early Beatles? Marianne Faithfull? Solas? Oasis? B&S? (to name just a few)
The 80's were the best decade for music...not the only one.
As for some of the reunion tours, I will agree that, for the most part, many reunion bands coming out were shit the first time round. Duran Duran were nothing more than the N'Sync of their time and Flock of Seagulls would never have sold a record without the silly haircut. Many others however still sound much better than the 15 minute kids of today.
BTW Did anyone see the article on this very issue that was on the front page of USA Today last week. It was about college students who, thanks to the internet, have realized that bands from the past are much better than the shit of today, and these bands (Queen, Led Zepp, Pink Floyd) are finding increases in sales, and college students are now rifling through their parents album collections for other treasures.....I'm telling you, todays music cannot hold a candle to bands from the past.
-
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
I would suspect that Buddy Holly, Little Richard, Elvis, Sam Cooke, , Bill Haley, The Isley Brothers, Otis Redding, Eddie Cochran, just to mention a few will have longer lasting impact then say Soft Cell, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Elbow, Adam Green, etc.
[/QB][/QUOTE]
You will be pleased to note that somewhere in the UK, I have a collection of 7 inch vinyl that includes all of whats left of the first list.
I have all of what is left on the second list here on CD.
Its not very forward thinking just sucking up back-catologues. Plus it means you would never get to see a good show, like the position Mankie is in.
-
Mike Peters brought his vintage music and fighting spirit to Jaxx on Saturday. In his prime, Peters, the founding frontman of '80s British rant-rockers the Alarm, put antiwar and anti-poverty tirades over a melody and beat that any suburbanite could easily absorb. These days, he's railing about ageism in pop music.
"There's a force operating against our generation!" Peters, now 45, told the crowd made up mainly of folks of a similar age, while introducing a recently recorded track, "45 RPM." Because the music industry showed no interest in the reconstituted Alarm, Peters released that song under the group name the Poppyfields, and even filmed a video for "45 RPM" with handsome lads posing as the band. The tactic worked, in the short term. The garage-rock tune got rave reviews. But when Peters confessed that the geezerly Alarm was behind the music, a backlash ensued. A critic for the Guardian put the Alarm's return on a list of the 10 worst reunions in rock history and warned fans to look out for "sweaty anthems about guns and storms."
But the folks who came to Jaxx wanted an evening of sweaty anthems. And the Alarm -- now consisting of Peters and '80s vets guitarist James Stevenson (Generation X), bassist Craig Adams (the Mission) and drummer Steve Grantley (Stiff Little Fingers) -- complied with vigor.
Among the period pieces was "Absolute Reality," which took on the president of the United States (that would mean Ronald Reagan). And "Strength," which sounds even more like U2 than it did two decades ago, had him begging, "Give me someone to live for!" The crowd supplied whoa-oh-oh-ohs in all the right places. As they left the club, fans were invited to have Peters record their favorite Alarm rant with a personal dedication for $150.
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
BTW Did anyone see the article on this very issue that was on the front page of USA Today last week. It was about college students who, thanks to the internet, have realized that bands from the past are much better than the shit of today, and these bands (Queen, Led Zepp, Pink Floyd) are finding increases in sales, and college students are now rifling through their parents album collections for other treasures.....I'm telling you, todays music cannot hold a candle to bands from the past.
I thought this had been going on forever. If the radio does not play good music a resourceful person will seek it elsewhere.
I picked you out because you listen to very little modern music.... so you want to go to very few shows, unless they are of older acts. It is something you and Guiny have in common.
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Duran Duran were nothing more than the N'Sync of their time....
.....I'm telling you, todays music cannot hold a candle to bands from the past.
Duran Duran wrote their songs. HUGE difference, and while they're no Dylan or Bowie, they wrote some great songs.
As for that last supposition, I believe time will prove you wrong. That's an AWFULLY broad brush you just stroked with....there will certainly be bands that withstand the test of time. I'll bet if you look at this in percentages, each decade has a generally similar proportion of its music that stays influential.
-
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Duran Duran were nothing more than the N'Sync of their time....
.....I'm telling you, todays music cannot hold a candle to bands from the past.
Duran Duran wrote their songs. HUGE difference, and while they're no Dylan or Bowie, they wrote some great songs.
As for that last supposition, I believe time will prove you wrong. That's an AWFULLY broad brush you just stroked with....there will certainly be bands that withstand the test of time. I'll bet if you look at this in percentages, each decade has a generally similar proportion of its music that stays influential. [/b]
Sorry, Duran Duran songs are shite, take a look at the lyrics... "I smell like a sound....."
The rest of what you say is true. There is plenty of good mmusic being made today.
-
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Sorry, Duran Duran songs are shite, take a look at the lyrics... "I smell like a sound....."
What is that from? I didn't say all there songs are good, but I think their first two albums are great. They're dance songs, what the hell do I care what they're saying?
-
Its in the Chorus, too :roll:
Dark in the city night is a wire
Steam in the subway earth is afire
Do do do do do do do dodo dododo dodo
Woman you want me give me a sign
And catch my breathing even closer behind
Do do do do do do do dodo dododo dodo
In touch with the ground
I'm on the hunt I'm after you
Smell like I sound I'm lost in a crowd.
And I'm hungry like the wolf.
Straddle the line in discord and rhyme
I'm on the hunt I'm after you.
Mouth is alive with juices like wine
And I'm hungry like the wolf
Its just fluff, the words are made up
Stalked in the forest too close to hide
I'll be upon you by the moonlight side
Do do do do do do do dodo dododo dodo
High blood Drumming on your skin it's so tight
You feel my heart I'm just a moment behind
Do do do do do do do dodo dododo dodo
In touch with the ground
I'm on the hunt I'm after you
Scent and a sound. I'm lost and I'm found
And I'm hungry like the wolf.
Strut on a line it's discord and rhyme
I howl and I whine I'm after you
Mouth is alive all running inside
And I'm hungry like the wolf.
Hungry like the wolf
Hungry like the wolf
Hungry like the wolf
Burning the ground I break from the crowd
I'm on the hunt I'm after you
I smell like I sound. I'm lost and I'm found
And I'm hungry like the wolf
Strut on a line it's discord and rhyme
I'm on the hunt I'm after you
Mouth is alive with juices like wine
And I'm hungry like the wolf
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
The 80's were the best decade for music...not the only one.
There was some great music released in the 80's but the more back catalog stuff I listen to from the 60's that decade gets my nod. Sit down and listen to the Nuggets comps or a good Northern comp and you realize that the amazing performances presented were recorded virtually live in the studio without the benefits of multitracking, digital editing, etc. It was a period when both Image and Talent were important. Now a days Image is Everything. Anyone can be made to song like a singer with talent through Protools. It's not to say that the 60's didn't have their share of artists with more image than talent. Diane Ross being a good example. I find on a whole 60's music to be more full of spirit than later decades.
-
No thoughts on the Dylan Victoria Secret ad? Is the loveable Dylan a super "sell out" or not?
-
Originally posted by starcrash:
No thoughts on the Dylan Victoria Secret ad? Is the loveable Dylan a super "sell out" or not?
I say let him have his cake....he's earned it. Getting paid *and* surrounded by chicks in lingerie? Good for him...apparently he has alimony issues and is pretty strapped (not 'strapped' like we might experience it, but it's all relative).
-
I just see so many discussions on this board about artists lending their music to commercials, that I had to point this out. I find the commercial odd, but it makes me want to buy panties.
-
Originally posted by Bags:
....there will certainly be bands that withstand the test of time. [/b]
Name them.
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Bags:
....there will certainly be bands that withstand the test of time. [/b]
Name them. [/b]
That's the whole point; I'll tell you in 20 years.
-
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by starcrash:
No thoughts on the Dylan Victoria Secret ad? Is the loveable Dylan a super "sell out" or not?
I say let him have his cake....he's earned it. Getting paid *and* surrounded by chicks in lingerie? Good for him...apparently he has alimony issues and is pretty strapped (not 'strapped' like we might experience it, but it's all relative). [/b]
I agree, what's the big deal with artists/bands letting their work be used for commercials? Payment and exposure at the same time...what's not to like. And the tired, old "sellout" crap is just from narrow minded jealous morons.
-
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Bags:
....there will certainly be bands that withstand the test of time. [/b]
Name them. [/b]
That's the whole point; I'll tell you in 20 years. [/b]
No you won't because you won't even remember their names in 20 years time.
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
]No you won't because you won't even remember their names in 20 years time.
Come on Bags isnt that old, I bet you go senile decades before her! :)
-
I guess for me it depends on WHICH corporations the artist sells out to that makes a difference to me.
Victoria's Secret spends too much effort glorifying women who have bodies that aren't realistically attainable for the average female, and thus is a bit cheesy, which makes Bob cheesy by association.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by starcrash:
No thoughts on the Dylan Victoria Secret ad? Is the loveable Dylan a super "sell out" or not?
I say let him have his cake....he's earned it. Getting paid *and* surrounded by chicks in lingerie? Good for him...apparently he has alimony issues and is pretty strapped (not 'strapped' like we might experience it, but it's all relative). [/b]
-
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
]No you won't because you won't even remember their names in 20 years time.
Come on Bags isnt that old, I bet you go senile decades before her! :) [/b]
I'm already there my friend!
-
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Bags:
That's the whole point; I'll tell you in 20 years.
No you won't because you won't even remember their names in 20 years time. [/b]
Yes, the ones who withstood the test of time, I will remember their names. Hell, unfortunately I'll probably remember some of the clunkers as well...
-
<img src="http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/VegetasExodus/thepassionoftheyoda.jpg" alt=" - " />
-
Originally posted by Bags:
Yes, the ones who withstood the test of time, I will remember their names. Hell, unfortunately I'll probably remember some of the clunkers as well...
Perhaps this is the ideal point to remind Mankie of Clara and Mary?