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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: miss pretentious on August 01, 2008, 08:55:00 am
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from adbusters' cover story
"I??m sipping a scummy pint of cloudy beer in the back of a trendy dive bar turned nightclub in the heart of the city??s heroin district. In front of me stand a gang of hippiesh grunge-punk types, who crowd around each other and collectively scoff at the smoking laws by sneaking puffs of ??fuck-you,? reveling in their perceived rebellion as the haggard, staggering staff look on without the slightest concern.
The ??DJ? is keystroking a selection of MP3s off his MacBook, making a mix that sounds like he took a hatchet to a collection of yesteryear billboard hits, from DMX to Dolly Parton, but mashed up with a jittery techno backbeat.
??So? this is a hipster party?? I ask the girl sitting next to me. She??s wearing big dangling earrings, an American Apparel V-neck tee, non-prescription eyeglasses and an inappropriately warm wool coat.
??Yeah, just look around you, 99 percent of the people here are total hipsters!?
??Are you a hipster??
??Fuck no,? she says, laughing back the last of her glass before she hops off to the dance floor.
Ever since the Allies bombed the Axis into submission, Western civilization has had a succession of counter-culture movements that have energetically challenged the status quo. Each successive decade of the post-war era has seen it smash social standards, riot and fight to revolutionize every aspect of music, art, government and civil society.
But after punk was plasticized and hip hop lost its impetus for social change, all of the formerly dominant streams of ??counter-culture? have merged together. Now, one mutating, trans-Atlantic melting pot of styles, tastes and behavior has come to define the generally indefinable idea of the ??Hipster.?
An artificial appropriation of different styles from different eras, the hipster represents the end of Western civilization ?? a culture lost in the superficiality of its past and unable to create any new meaning. Not only is it unsustainable, it is suicidal. While previous youth movements have challenged the dysfunction and decadence of their elders, today we have the ??hipster? ?? a youth subculture that mirrors the doomed shallowness of mainstream society.
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for the full article, check out the source (http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html)
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http://www.hipsterhunter.com/HIPSTER_HUNTER_HOME.html (http://www.hipsterhunter.com/HIPSTER_HUNTER_HOME.html)
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skaters like drugs
snowboarders like drugs
hip hoppers like drugs
hippies like drugs
hipsters like drugs
gay people like drugs
punks (not the "x" folk) like drugs
country bumpkins like drugs
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rich people likes drugs
middle class america likes drugs
me i did whippets once...
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uhhhh, whippets . . . don't remind me of those evil addictive things.
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This article is written at least twice every decade.
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read the piece earlier this week. I agree w/ econo. I remember what people said about ravers (another drug-addled global phenomenon) back in the day. white kids slumming isn't a new thing either.
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the hipster era is just the disco era coming back..dumb clothes, lots of partying, white people "dancing" to bad music...it will be gone soon...i hope
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I thought ravers were the disco era coming back?
i thought hipsters were cheap watered down versions of ravers.
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id have to say raving didnt seem as mainstream as hipster culture has gotten. i dont remember seeing a raver walking down the street every 5 minutes in 1995. disco hit the mainstream as has hipsterdom.
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Every other kid I knew in high school was wearing JNCOS. I graduated in 96.
Originally posted by manimtired:
id have to say raving didnt seem as mainstream as hipster culture has gotten. i dont remember seeing a raver walking down the street every 5 minutes in 1995. disco hit the mainstream as has hipsterdom.
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so did I...my high school was not like that. we prob had 20 ravers max...school was 2000 kids.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
id have to say raving didnt seem as mainstream as hipster culture has gotten. i dont remember seeing a raver walking down the street every 5 minutes in 1995. disco hit the mainstream as has hipsterdom.
must have been a quiet-ass street
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go take some photographs of hipsters. you are part of the problem.
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manimtired is a grumpy conservative who knows nothing about subcultures.
as for ravers...it is true that until 1996 or maybe even later raves were almost always held at illegal venues or at least venues that were not used for other normal activities (such as the Sunrise festival held at Ferry Bar Park in Baltimore). Many of these events required getting secret directions and passwords, calling info lines for directions and you basically had to be at one to get the flyers for any future parties.
Eventually "raves" came to regular clubs and concert venues and were publicized in newspapers and then the buzz tent at HFStival happened.
By that time though, most of the subculture-ness of the scene was gone and by 2000 you'd be hardpressed to find anyone at a "rave" who had actually ever been to an illegal one.
Maybe I am old, but hipsters dont seem to even be a subculture at all.
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do you think disco was a subculture? no it was not...thus my original post. gtfo.
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It may have been a court or a lane.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
must have been a quiet-ass street
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Originally posted by econo:
It may have been a court or a lane.
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
must have been a quiet-ass street
[/b]
U STREET?
RAVE LIFE
in 1996...the streets of inner city dc were swarming with ravers.....lol.
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U MAD.
Originally posted by manimtired:
U STREET?
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Originally posted by econo:
U MAD.
Originally posted by manimtired:
U STREET?
[/b]
no but im loling at you for thinking raving = street. lol.
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I am confused.
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did you imply with your "maybe it was a court or a lane" comment that i was raised in the burbs, thus not seeing ravers everywhere? i think you did, didnt you...sooooo..im saying that you must think only city folk (street) took part in this scene. got it?
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grump.
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lol
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Originally posted by very sonick:
manimtired is a grumpy conservative who knows nothing about subcultures.
republicans are integral to being a hipster (http://www.hipsterhandbook.com/clues.html).
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Originally posted by manimtired:
did you imply with your "maybe it was a court or a lane" comment that i was raised in the burbs, thus not seeing ravers everywhere? i think you did, didnt you...sooooo..im saying that you must think only city folk (street) took part in this scene. got it?
at first it was mostly city "folk" and even once the burbians came around, the parties were 99% in cities so you would have seen them more had you lived in one.
got it?
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I lived on a "place" in DC before. There are plenty of those in the suburbs. I wasn't implying anything by my statement.
Originally posted by manimtired:
did you imply with your "maybe it was a court or a lane" comment that i was raised in the burbs, thus not seeing ravers everywhere? i think you did, didnt you...sooooo..im saying that you must think only city folk (street) took part in this scene. got it?
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Originally posted by very sonick:
Originally posted by manimtired:
did you imply with your "maybe it was a court or a lane" comment that i was raised in the burbs, thus not seeing ravers everywhere? i think you did, didnt you...sooooo..im saying that you must think only city folk (street) took part in this scene. got it?
at first it was mostly city "folk" and even once the burbians came around, the parties were 99% in cities so you would have seen them more had you lived in one.
got it? [/b]
youre grasping at straws here dood.
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interesting, i have lived in 5 Avenues, 5 Streets, 1 Drive and currently a Boulevard.
never a road though.
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i currently live on a road.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by very sonick:
Originally posted by manimtired:
did you imply with your "maybe it was a court or a lane" comment that i was raised in the burbs, thus not seeing ravers everywhere? i think you did, didnt you...sooooo..im saying that you must think only city folk (street) took part in this scene. got it?
at first it was mostly city "folk" and even once the burbians came around, the parties were 99% in cities so you would have seen them more had you lived in one.
got it? [/b]
youre grasping at straws here dood. [/b]
just making a point. since I was heavily into this scene. in fact, its what brought me to the US. (too bad you werent securing borders back then!)
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too little, too late..
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Originally posted by very sonick:
interesting, i have lived in 5 Avenues, 5 Streets, 1 Drive and currently a Boulevard.
never a road though.
2 lanes, 3 drives, 2 streets, 2 roads, 2 courts and currently a square but never a boulevard here
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I thought raves peaked in 1991 when 90210 went to one.
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Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
I thought raves peaked in 1991 when 90210 went to one.
great episode!
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Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
I thought raves peaked in 1991 when 90210 went to one.
i think that episode was a bit later than 1991!
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2 streets, 2 roads, 1 way, 1 drive, 1 avenue, and 1 green
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I actually looked it up (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0522986/) to get the date: November 14, 1991. Season 2 episode 15. Steve tries to get the egg with directions in it and some girl gives Brendan "Euphoria."
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now i feel old
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by very sonick:
interesting, i have lived in 5 Avenues, 5 Streets, 1 Drive and currently a Boulevard.
never a road though.
2 lanes, 3 drives, 2 streets, 2 roads, 2 courts and currently a square but never a boulevard here [/b]
1 way, 1 paseo, 3 drives, 4 streets, 1 road, 2 avenues, 1 circle
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Back in the day, I lived on a terrace.
BOOYA
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Originally posted by manimtired:
go take some photographs of hipsters. you are part of the problem.
just stop for a second and think about how STUPID you sound writing the above. the only "problem" we have in society is giving any random half-thinking monkey the freedom of speech, not ravers, hipsters or people like me who shoot them -- among other people. fucking half-wit.
take a nap then
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homes on roads tend to be haunted.
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Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
Originally posted by manimtired:
go take some photographs of hipsters. you are part of the problem.
just stop for a second and think about how STUPID you sound writing the above. the only "problem" we have in society is giving any random half-thinking monkey the freedom of speech, not ravers, hipsters or people like me who shoot them -- among other people. fucking half-wit.
take a nap then [/b]
dont let him get you all worked up!
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Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
Originally posted by manimtired:
go take some photographs of hipsters. you are part of the problem.
just stop for a second and think about how STUPID you sound writing the above. the only "problem" we have in society is giving any random half-thinking monkey the freedom of speech, not ravers, hipsters or people like me who shoot them -- among other people. fucking half-wit.
take a nap then [/b]
strike a nerve?
"take a nap then"...LOLOL
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I love Fridays.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
Back in the day, I lived on a terrace.
was it 742 evergreen terrace?
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how about 123 fake st
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Originally posted by manimtired:
strike a nerve?
well, yeah.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
Back in the day, I lived on a terrace.
was it 742 evergreen terrace? [/b]
This is good
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
how about 123 fake st
But this Fo'The'Win!
Home of the Stabitha, the knifey-wifey
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3 streets, 2 places, 2 drives, 1 quay
moving to a new Place in logan circle in september :D
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John Darnielle's theory on the word "hipster" (http://ia360910.us.archive.org/2/items/tmg2008-03-02.schoeps_cmc34/mountain_goats_20080302_cmc34_17_vbr.mp3)
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"Girls who smoke, fuck," said Karen, looking up from a book.
"Girls who smoke, fuck."
"*You* don't smoke."
"I could. I did."
"I smoked before I started fucking," said Maria.
"Yeah, but you knew you *would* fuck. That's the thing."
"You think?"
"It makes sense. I mean, how else can a girl announce it?
It's either that or you tatoo 'I fuck' on your forehead."
"That takes a lot of the mystery out of things, don't you
think?"
"No. It's not 'Girls who smoke, fuck you', it's just that
they fuck. Period. Actually, the very fact they do smoke and are
not fucking you is where a lot of their power comes from."
"You're so reactionary, Karen. You would set women back a
hundred years, like those Virginia Slims ads."
"I think I was born too late anyway. Could you just imagine
me as a Victorian?? In a corset??!! With lots of intricate stays
and laces. Heh. Guys can hardly figure out bras. I'd love to see
one struggle with a corset for a while. Maria, why did you start
smoking, anyway?"
"Oh God. That was a long time ago. I don't know. To be more
interesting, to be sexier..."
Howard said, "People smoke because it is a sure, approved
method of suicide."
"Who--"
"Vonnegut."
"I don't know. If I smoke, it's usually because I know for
the next six or seven minutes, I know *exactly* what I'm gonna be
doing. I won't be bored. I'll be--"
Vh-1 was playing that Clapton song. Lightweight, minor-
league stuff, but MTV just would not stop playing it."
[Would you know my name, if I saw you in heaven?
Could it be the same, if I saw you in heaven?]
"It's a pretty song, but you know, it's much funnier if you
replace every 'heaven' with 'Trenton'."
[ Cause I know, I don't belong, here in Trenton. ]
He was right. It *was* funnier.
"Well, what if I'm an actress, and I have to smoke for a
part?"
"Maria, honey. If you're an actress, you fuck. The cigarette
doesn't really--Besides, why would you *need* to smoke if you
didn't fuck, anyway."
"I have no idea what you mean."
"A lot of Catholic girls smoke."
Paul came over.
He was my best friend in ninth grade then he moved away.
Twelve years later he happened to be tending bar here in
West Philly. We hang out at the unemployment office and we'll
write together sometimes.
"Hey, Rich," said Paul, "did I ever tell you about Seth?" He
lit a Marlboro and found an ashtray.
"Seth?"
"Kid in my high school. When I was a senior he was a junior.
He took the SAT's. Got 1600. Then, he kinda disappeared. He was
a major geek so no one really missed him. But there were rumors
and shit about how he'd gone nuts and had tried to kill himself,
but most of us figured they'd moved away somewhere. Well, it turns
out, that at night, he would take a screwdriver and drill holes
into the wall next to his bed. He'd scream into these holes and
then plug them up with spitballs. And all night he would hear his
screams coming back out at him."
"Despite the spitballs?"
"Yup. And he tried to kill himself by jumping out of his
window."
"Oh my--"
"Rich. He lived in a rancher."
"1600?"
"You gotta love it."
"Paul, what do you think of this?" said Karen. "Girls who
smoke, fuck."
"Heh. I got no problem with that."
"Rich," said Karen, "tell me something about Howard."
"Hey," said Howard.
"All right, what do you want to know?"
That Ozzy Osborne song, 'Mama, I'm coming home' was on MTV.
Paul grabbed the remote and muted it.
"You know," said Paul, "Almost every song they play on MTV
that has the word 'mama' in it would be much funnier if the changed
every 'mama' to 'mommy'."
"My God," said Maria, "you're right."
Paul unmuted the television and Karen tucked a foot under her
and said, "Something I don't know, something adorable, something
embarrassing, anything..."
Howard stretched out on the couch and Karen was playing with
his face.
"All right. When we were little, like until I finished grade
school, we would always watch cartoons with my dad on Saturday
mornings. He still loves then, especially Inspector Gadget. Well,
it would be my dad on the right side of the bed, me on the left,
and How in the middle. But here's the thing: Howard would usually
conk out by eleven or so and take a nap. But he couldn't fall
asleep in my parents' bed unless my dad was holding his foot."
Karen giggled.
"I don't remember any of this," said Howard, turning red.
"He'd say, 'Hold my foot, hold my foot.' and my dad would. I
think he felt like he needed to be anchored in that big bed,
because he could sleep even if my dad was just holding a toe. But
if my dad let go, Howard would wake up and be very scared, like he
was drowning. I remember him saying, really quickly, 'Hold my
foot, hold my foot'. That the kind of thing you're looking for,
Karen?"
But they'd already disappeared.
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I only remember that episode because I went to my first rave a bit before it aired. A cold, rainy night in Oakland (or quite possibly SF) in some warehouse and lots of great friends.
Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
I actually looked it up (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0522986/) to get the date: November 14, 1991. Season 2 episode 15. Steve tries to get the egg with directions in it and some girl gives Brendan "Euphoria."
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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
"Girls who smoke, fuck," .
I absolutely subscribe to this theory. Of course, I go with chicks who smoke, poke, but same principle.
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I do not know know where the text is from; so I'm going to guess. First guess, Brett Easton Ellis. Second, Chuck Palahniuk.
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whatever happened to bret? his style grew so stale by the time glamorama hit.
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I didn't read Glamorama but I liked Lunar Park pretty well.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
"Girls who smoke, fuck," .
I absolutely subscribe to this theory. Of course, I go with chicks who smoke, poke, but same principle. [/b]
True dat... the theory also applies to girls who don't smoke. :)
In all seriousness... "hipster" is a term nobody ever calls themself. It's a vague term of derision, used against someone one doesn't like. It reminds me of the way 10 years ago all the Young Urban Professionals I knew were always bitching about yuppies.
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it appears that hipsters are not, in fact, the end of the road (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/10/living/death-of-hipster-birth-of-yuccie-feat/index.html)