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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: K8teebug on April 02, 2007, 03:18:00 pm
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Anyone else going to the home opener this year?
It's April, so we can still dream about a winning season.
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Yep.
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When is it? Mind you, I'm not going. My only concern is the traffic nighmare that I might have to endure.
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
It's April, so we can still dream about a winning season.
All they need to do is fire the owner.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
All they need to do is fire the owner.
That's a great start.
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I'll be there. Too bad it's not today. Gonna be cold next week they say.
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Tickets were hard to get it seemed. They held on to opening day tickets for awhile, then the next thing I knew only obstructed view seats were available. Wish I could be there. Maybe I'll go the scalping route.
And Jaguar - parking is never that bad for the Os. Been to a few openers. Find a parking garage a few blocks away and its no problem.
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Pigiron, it's not the parking I'm concerned with. I won't need a spot. It's the traffic. A lot of us sometimes have to drive by there on our way to and from work, etc., and there is really no easy detour around the madness. Another example of brilliant urban planning! :roll:
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Not going to the first home game but I'll be there on the 13th. If you're planning to go to the 1st home game I'd suggest you try to get there early.
Would love to be at the game in Minnesota tonight.
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Does MN play indoors? It's supposed to rain there tonight and snow the next two days.
Originally posted by StoneTheCrow:
Not going to the first home game but I'll be there on the 13th. If you're planning to go to the 1st home game I'd suggest you try to get there early.
Would love to be at the game in Minnesota tonight.
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Yes, it's a dome stadium.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Does MN play indoors? It's supposed to rain there tonight and snow the next two days.
Until 2010.
I think they need to rethink this retractable roof idea, though.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Pigiron, it's not the parking I'm concerned with. I won't need a spot. It's the traffic. A lot of us sometimes have to drive by there on our way to and from work, etc., and there is really no easy detour around the madness. Another example of brilliant urban planning! :roll:
where would you rather them have it?
(i have to go by the stadium to and from work too, btw...but i'm on a bike)
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I would rather that they built both stadiums somewhere else. I was against that specific location for both of them for exactly that very reason way back from the beginning. It's not like that part of Baltimore is based on a general grid where you can circumnavigate easily enough. You may know some of the side streets to the west a bit to get by but it's just not possible to the east short of going through the tunnel or over the Key bridge which would be a major detour.
You must get the worst of it considering where you live, including tight parking. Then again, very convenient on those days when you want to see a game.
Btw, I still never got an answer to my question.
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Orioles opening day is next monday 4/9
I live about 10 blocks from the stadium, and its across MLK so i dont really get Oriole fans parking by my house. raven's fans on the other hand!
the two stadiums are super convenient if you're coming from 95, but not 83
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which way do you come through the city, jag, if you dont mind my asking?
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Originally posted by le sonick:
the two stadiums are super convenient if you're coming from 95, but not 83
not to mention coming from the parkway.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
which way do you come through the city, jag, if you dont mind my asking?
Strangly enough, I go to work via a different route than I take home. It mostly has to do with traffic volume, etc.. I use to go via the city both ways but since they've closed off that bridge to 95 just past the stadiums for eternal construction, it's just not worth it on the trip down. (I'm actually on my 3rd different route down now due to construction crap.)
When I go down via the city, I take 83 to Mt. Royal. Then I go over to Howard St. (via Dolphin) and then MLK to Russell St. and get on 95 a little past the stadiums. Now I take 695 W.. Had been taking it to 95 South but then the crazy Wilson bridge traffic was screwing up traffic from up around Burtonsville down to 495 in all 4 lanes so I'm now taking 695 W to 70 and then 29 and down.
On the return, I'm still going up 95 to 395 to MLK and then twisting through the city up Paca St and then over to Howard St. near the Md. Instit. and then up past The Ottobar and then get on 83 N at 29th St.. When I go home, I avoid the west side of 695 at all costs because it's always a traffic madhouse.
Guess you are about the only one here who understands this.
Oh Sonick, thanks for answering my question. ;)
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i remember a few years back leaving work at 4 in mclean and getting there just in the bottom of the first on a friday
good times
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You know, I think they only sell obstructed view.. The only way (it seems) to get decent seats is to get season tickets or get one of those 6 game/12 game deals..
Anyone have anymore info regarding opening day tix? Thx!
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i remember a few years back leaving work at 4 in mclean and getting there just in the bottom of the first on a friday
good times
yeah, i really miss driving to baltimore to satisfy my baseball jones :roll:
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Originally posted by Double Hoya:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i remember a few years back leaving work at 4 in mclean and getting there just in the bottom of the first on a friday
good times
yeah, i really miss driving to baltimore to satisfy my baseball jones :roll: [/b]
Enjoy that 100 loss season. We'll see how many Washingtonians show up to watch a loser.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Enjoy that 100 loss season. We'll see how many Washingtonians show up to watch a loser.
this season doesn't matter. at all.
when the stadium opens our budget will skyrocket into the top-third of the league and we'll have a competitive team in 2009 ... and unlike the completely incompetent orioles, the nats have a proven management team in place who know how to build a team from the ground up
it simply doesn't matter (a) how well we do this year (although smart money in vegas has dramatically upped the prediction on our season to about 92 losses) or (b) how many people show up for the last year of RFK ... and anyone who really knows baseball understands these facts
so why would your snappy retort include attendance figures? huh?
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by le sonick:
which way do you come through the city, jag, if you dont mind my asking?
Strangly enough, I go to work via a different route than I take home. It mostly has to do with traffic volume, etc.. I use to go via the city both ways but since they've closed off that bridge to 95 just past the stadiums for eternal construction, it's just not worth it on the trip down. (I'm actually on my 3rd different route down now due to construction crap.)
When I go down via the city, I take 83 to Mt. Royal. Then I go over to Howard St. (via Dolphin) and then MLK to Russell St. and get on 95 a little past the stadiums. Now I take 695 W.. Had been taking it to 95 South but then the crazy Wilson bridge traffic was screwing up traffic from up around Burtonsville down to 495 in all 4 lanes so I'm now taking 695 W to 70 and then 29 and down.
On the return, I'm still going up 95 to 395 to MLK and then twisting through the city up Paca St and then over to Howard St. near the Md. Instit. and then up past The Ottobar and then get on 83 N at 29th St.. When I go home, I avoid the west side of 695 at all costs because it's always a traffic madhouse.
Guess you are about the only one here who understands this.
Oh Sonick, thanks for answering my question. ;) [/b]
That's a decent-sized commute. How many cars have you gone through?
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Enjoy that 100 loss season. We'll see how many Washingtonians show up to watch a loser.
knowing how lazy a lot of washingtonians are (and virginians), i suspect that many of them would rather metro to a loser than trek an hour+ for mediocrity... and remind me how the O's have done in the post-season recently? :p
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
On the return, I'm still going up 95 to 395 to MLK and then twisting through the city up Paca St and then over to Howard St. near the Md. Instit. and then up past The Ottobar and then get on 83 N at 29th St.. When I go home, I avoid the west side of 695 at all costs because it's always a traffic madhouse.
Guess you are about the only one here who understands this.
Oh Sonick, thanks for answering my question. ;)
wow! quite a trip to work! i remember living in Charles Village (right near the ottobar) and what a pain it was going to the DC area. now its easy.
only suggestion to make things easier is maybe taking Washington Blvd exit off 95 and taking THAT to MLK (you'd pass right by my house!) dont know if that would eliminate stadium traffic or not, it would cut 395 out of things thats for sure.
maybe one day the west side will be safe enough to cut up Fulton Ave or Monroe St...but not now!
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Originally posted by Double Hoya:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Enjoy that 100 loss season. We'll see how many Washingtonians show up to watch a loser.
this season doesn't matter. at all.
when the stadium opens our budget will skyrocket into the top-third of the league and we'll have a competitive team in 2009 ... and unlike the completely incompetent orioles, the nats have a proven management team in place who know how to build a team from the ground up
it simply doesn't matter (a) how well we do this year (although smart money in vegas has dramatically upped the prediction on our season to about 92 losses) or (b) how many people show up for the last year of RFK ... and anyone who really knows baseball understands these facts
so why would your snappy retort include attendance figures? huh? [/b]
Thsat would be an excellent marketing campaign. The Nationals - this season doesn't matter at all. And what's with the we's and ours? You a Kasten or Lerner?
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Enjoy that 100 loss season. We'll see how many Washingtonians show up to watch a loser.
knowing how lazy a lot of washingtonians are (and virginians), i suspect that many of them would rather metro to a loser than trek an hour+ for mediocrity... and remind me how the O's have done in the post-season recently? :p [/b]
While spending a kajillian dollars doesn't guarantee a World Series, it sure helps you make the playoffs. The Orioles happen to be in a division that has the top 2 spenders in baseball. Plus they're dysfunctional.
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Thsat would be an excellent marketing campaign. The Nationals - this season doesn't matter at all. And what's with the we's and ours? You a Kasten or Lerner?
i'm actually Kevin Köstner, a bastard hybrid of a Kasten and a Lerner
and why should a real baseball fan care about a marketing campaign? let the marketing wizards sell tickets to casual fans however they want, everyone who cares about the nats knows the real situation (what i laid out above), and these people will not be angry with a 90 loss season
would you rather (a) have a perennially mediocre team with an incompetent owner and no real chance of ever competing in your division or (b) real hope that with a competitive payroll you'll have a solid team in two years
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Originally posted by Double Hoya:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Thsat would be an excellent marketing campaign. The Nationals - this season doesn't matter at all. And what's with the we's and ours? You a Kasten or Lerner?
i'm actually Kevin Köstner, a bastard hybrid of a Kasten and a Lerner
and why should a real baseball fan care about a marketing campaign? let the marketing wizards sell tickets to casual fans however they want, everyone who cares about the nats knows the real situation (what i laid out above), and these people will not be angry with a 90 loss season
would you rather (a) have a perennially mediocre team with an incompetent owner and no real chance of ever competing in your division or (b) real hope that with a competitive payroll you'll have a solid team in two years [/b]
i understand your logic there, but I think in baseball it takes more than 2 years to build a competitive team just because it takes so much longer to develop young baseball players, in sports like basketball and hockey it can happen much faster, and for the nats to turn it around it will take free agents AND young players
I know the Nats have some young players coming but it takes years of sucking to get a top notch stable of young players (see tampa bay and milwaukee, ignore the pirates)
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i bought partial season tickets this year, so will be at both opening day and opening night
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So where do the Washington Nationalists call home at the moment?
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hey hoya,
quit talking about the Nationals in the Orioles thread, douchebag!
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
So where do the Washington Nationalists call home at the moment?
mankie: washington, DC :D
(specifically, RFK stadium... until next year, when the new stadium should be completed, in anacostia)
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Originally posted by le sonick:
hey hoya,
quit talking about the Nationals in the Orioles thread, douchebag!
i didn't start it! d-bag!
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
I know the Nats have some young players coming but it takes years of sucking to get a top notch stable of young players (see tampa bay and milwaukee, ignore the pirates)
an interesting take on the future of the nats (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701975.html)
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
So where do the Washington Nationalists call home at the moment?
mankie: washington, DC :D
(specifically, RFK stadium... until next year, when the new stadium should be completed, in anacostia) [/b]
Who paid for the new stadium...and were they the Expos that relocated.
BTW...did I see this on the t-shirt thread or on a bumber sticker down here.
"CANADA....LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM, ONLY WITHOUT ALL THE VIOLENCE"
I like it!
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
an interesting take on the future of the nats (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701975.html)
ALOT has to go right for it to happen the way he says it could, and he never says where all the money is coming from, new stadium isnt always the revenue maker people expect, have the owners committed to spending lots? and he sure is reading a lot in to spring stats, people have been waiting for chris snelling to be a big league hitter for years
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just because a team gets a new stadium, doesn't mean the team is going to be rolling in money and able to go out and compete for high level free agents. If it were then why has it taken the Brewers nearly 10 years to build a team with a chance to compete. Or even Pittsburgh, PNC Park opened in 2001 and they haven't had a competitive team in a long time. And with the crazy amount of money floating around in MLB with the revenue sharing and licensing from the DirectTV Deals, the Steinbrenners, and the wanna be Steinbrenners are gonna be throwing even more ridiculous sums of cash at people. The only way for the Nats to compete is going follow the method of the A's and Twins and develop a good farm system, which requires a tremendous amount of luck, smart management decisions, and good coaching. They need to develop a good core group of young players and then be willing to trade those players to the Yankees, Red Sox, and the other teams who still think free agency is the way to build a team. I wouldn't look for the Nats to be competitive for at least 6-7 years.
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Originally posted by med:
just because a team gets a new stadium, doesn't mean the team is going to be rolling in money and able to go out and compete for high level free agents. If it were then why has it taken the Brewers nearly 10 years to build a team with a chance to compete. Or even Pittsburgh, PNC Park opened in 2001 and they haven't had a competitive team in a long time.
it helps to have a competent GM. this is melvin's 5th year as GM for the brewers, and they have been getting better each year, even if the record doesn't quite reflect it. can't say the same for what the pirates have put upon the good citizens of pittsburgh though.
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
ALOT has to go right for it to happen the way he says it could,
i agree completely
Originally posted by pdx pollard:
and he never says where all the money is coming from, new stadium isnt always the revenue maker people expect, have the owners committed to spending lots?
boswell is one of the best baseball writers in the country, i assume he's done his homework on the nats' long-term spending plans
Originally posted by pdx pollard:
and he sure is reading a lot in to spring stats, people have been waiting for chris snelling to be a big league hitter for years
agreed, the picture he paints is certainly a best-case scenario ... the tidbit about this season that i found most interesting, however, was the vegas prediction: i'm a firm proponent of philosophy that vegas sportsbook futures sheets are fantastic predictors ... those handicappers really know what they're doing, and while the lines on many individual games are set to encourage equal action on both sides, futures odds do a great job of picking up on trends that many pass over, especially for teams that lack a large fan base who will always put money on them to win the championship ever year and are therefore get overrated odds (red wings, cowboys, yankees, etc)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
it helps to have a competent GM...can't say the same for what the pirates have put upon the good citizens of pittsburgh though.
I would do Littlefield's job for free, and win more games - I GUARANTEE IT!
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Originally posted by med:
just because a team gets a new stadium, doesn't mean the team is going to be rolling in money and able to go out and compete for high level free agents. If it were then why has it taken the Brewers nearly 10 years to build a team with a chance to compete. Or even Pittsburgh, PNC Park opened in 2001 and they haven't had a competitive team in a long time
wow, where do i start with this ... did Boswell ever imply that the only reason the nats will be spending more money is because of the new stadium? are you really trying to compare the Washington, DC area and the Nationals to the Milwaukee Brewers and the Pittsburgh Pirates??
Originally posted by med:
The only way for the Nats to compete is going follow the method of the A's and Twins and develop a good farm system, which requires a tremendous amount of luck, smart management decisions, and good coaching. They need to develop a good core group of young players and then be willing to trade those players to the Yankees, Red Sox, and the other teams who still think free agency is the way to build a team.
what?!? this may be a strong way for a small-to-mid market team like the Brewers, Pirates, A's, or Twins to compete in this league, but the Nats leadership have indicated that their spending will be on par with the Cubs, Braves, and Mets ... so why the hell is emulating a small-market team "the only way for them to compete," when they have money to burn ??
Originally posted by med:
I wouldn't look for the Nats to be competitive for at least 6-7 years.
i don't have a crystal ball, but i think i'll take boswell's word over your finely-honed analysis, it really seems like you're on top of things here
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The only real problem with Boswell's analysis, from my perspective, is that he is overvaluing the Nats draft positions.
Their farm system is extremely light of big league talent, at last viewing I think they were in the high low 20's in farm systems. To think that they can draft their way into a contender in one season is a little shortsighted.
It takes more than money to buy high priced free agents to be a contender (something the cubs have never learned). It takes a good mix of young talent and free agents, and I think the young talent for the Nats is not going to be their in 1-3 years - especially in the pitching department.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
The only real problem with Boswell's analysis, from my perspective, is that he is overvaluing the Nats draft positions.
fair enough, a very valid criticism
it's really absurd, however, to contend that the nats won't have a large payroll after their new stadium opens simply because the brewers / pirates couldn't spend much money after their stadiums opened ... or, to say that the only valid way for the nats to compete is to follow 'moneyball' principles adopted by small-market teams
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Originally posted by vansmack:
It takes more than money to buy high priced free agents to be a contender (something the cubs have never learned). It takes a good mix of young talent and free agents, and I think the young talent for the Nats is not going to be their in 1-3 years - especially in the pitching department.
i think the story of the Cubs franchise over the last 8 or 9 years begins and ends with Prior and Wood ... if they had panned out as they should have, the Cubs would have had that "good mix of young talent and free agents" of which you speak ... it's not like the Cubs are run by Dan Snyder or something, they just got absurdly unlucky
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
it's really absurd, however, to contend that the nats won't have a large payroll after their new stadium opens simply because the brewers / pirates couldn't spend much money after their stadiums opened ... or, to say that the only valid way for the nats to compete is to follow 'moneyball' principles adopted by small-market teams
Well, Hoya to be fair, some might find it just as absurd to assume that because they will have the money to contend that they will. I only need to point out the Cubs payroll vs. playoff appearances to disspell that myth.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
i think the story of the Cubs franchise over the last 8 or 9 years begins and ends with Prior and Wood ... if they had panned out as they should have, the Cubs would have had that "good mix of young talent and free agents" of which you speak ... it's not like the Cubs are run by Dan Snyder or something, they just got absurdly unlucky
its not luck, its being a Cub, as long as they serve beer at wrigley they will never have a fan base that REALLY cares if they win
well actually that means they will never have an owner that really cares, but I always take a chance to take a shot at cubs fans
my nightmare is Mark Cuban buying the Cubs, but he should buy the pirates
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
i think the story of the Cubs franchise over the last 8 or 9 years begins and ends with Prior and Wood ... if they had panned out as they should have, the Cubs would have had that "good mix of young talent and free agents" of which you speak ... it's not like the Cubs are run by Dan Snyder or something, they just got absurdly unlucky
I know I won't be alone in arguing that the Cubs did that to themsleves with their blatant over use of their young pitchers. That not unlucky, that's mismanagement.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I know I won't be alone in arguing that the Cubs did that to themsleves with their blatant over use of their young pitchers. That not unlucky, that's mismanagement.
dusty baker doesn't know how to handle pitchers? thats just crazy talk
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I know I won't be alone in arguing that the Cubs did that to themsleves with their blatant over use of their young pitchers. That not unlucky, that's mismanagement.
perhaps this is a discussion best left for another day, but why are current american pitchers such fucking pussies?
[*leans back in his recliner, sparks a cigar*] back in my day, pitchers threw complete games three times a week, and they liked it! even today's japanese pithers are horses who throw in-between innings to keep limber and on their "off days"
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
dusty baker doesn't know how to handle pitchers? thats just crazy talk
Did you hear him in the booth yesterday on ESPN? I tell you, moments of brilliance, moments of shocking mismanagement. It was as if he were still in dugout only mic'ed up and thinking out loud. This is going to be great!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Well, Hoya to be fair, some might find it just as absurd to assume that because they will have the money to contend that they will. I only need to point out the Cubs payroll vs. playoff appearances to disspell that myth.
come on smackie, the correlation between payroll budget and contending chances are inextricably linked ... using the cubs as an example of the opposite is an enormous, obese, blood-red herring
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
perhaps this is a discussion best left for another day, but why are current american pitchers such fucking pussies?
Dice K is already complaining about arm fatigue. Must be global warming in America.
Oh, and Carpenter has elbow soreness and will miss his next start. Good times.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
come on smackie, the correlation between payroll budget and contending chances are inextricably linked ...
Then explain the A's consistency.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Oh, and Carpenter has elbow soreness and will miss his next start. Good times.
thanks for ruining my night, I hadnt heard it yet and I am watching the game right now, they havent even mentioned it, I had a bad feeling about this year anyway, they get a year off from me after winning the series
I was actually looking more forward to the Blues/Coyotes game later tonight than the Cardinals
(joe buck just mentioned carpenter as I type)
Did not see Baker, which game did he do?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
come on smackie, the correlation between payroll budget and contending chances are inextricably linked ...
Then explain the A's consistency. [/b]
i clearly mis-typed, i meant that the correlation is very strong, and exceptions to the rule are just that: exceptions
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I'll be at the game on the 13th as well. Beanie hat night!
I don't care if the O's lose, I still heart them.
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Monday, June 18, 2007
Perlozzo out as skipper; MacPhail hired as COO
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ESPN.com news services
Sam Perlozzo's brief tenure as Orioles manager ended Monday.
The team has called a 1 p.m. news conference where it will announce that Perlozzo has been fired. Orioles executives Mike Flanagan and Jim Duquette informed Perlozzo of the decision Monday, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reports.
Bullpen coach Dave Trembley, who has served as a minor league manager in the organization, will be the interim manager when the Orioles begin a six-game trip in San Diego on Tuesday.
Sources told Olney that Baltimore has arranged a meeting with former Florida Marlins manager Joe Girardi to discuss the job. It is expected that he will be given a chance to accept or reject the job.
Meanwhile, the same sources said Andy MacPhail has reached an agreement to be the Orioles' chief operating officer.
MacPhail and Girardi overlapped in Chicago during MacPhail's tenure as Cubs president and CEO of the Chicago Cubs, which began in 1994 and ended in 2006. Girardi, who managed the Florida Marlins in 2006, was the Cubs' catcher for two stints totaling six seasons, the last from 2000-02.
MacPhail won two World Series championships as general manager of the Minnesota Twins in 1987 and 1991.
Perlozzo was victimized by an underachieving bullpen and a punchless offense that ranks last in the AL in home runs. Baltimore was 27-27 and second in the AL East on May 31 before losing 13 of 15, including the final eight games of a 1-8 homestand that ended Sunday.
After Sunday's 6-4 loss to Arizona on Sunday, there was talk in the clubhouse of Perlozzo's imminent dismissal. Several players publicly defended him, including Kevin Millar, who called for a players-only meeting in San Diego on Tuesday.
"Sam Perlozzo doesn't throw the ball and doesn't catch the ball. We know that for sure, right? He doesn't hit the ball," Millar said. "He doesn't play. We play. And we've got to find a way to play better."
Baltimore is 122-164 under Perlozzo and finished fourth in the AL East last season. Perlozzo was the Orioles' bench coach from 2001 until replacing Mazzilli as manager.
Girardi is currently a baseball analyst for Fox and for Yankees broadcasts on the YES network. He began his playing career with the Cubs in 1989 and won World Series rings with the Yankees in 1996, 1998 and 1999.
Last offseason, Girardi indicated he was in no rush to return to managing when he turned down an offer to be the Washington Nationals' new manager, a job that went to Mets coach Manny Acta.
With one of baseball's skimpiest payrolls (approximately $14 million), Girardi managed the Marlins into wild-card contention for most of 2006 -- Florida missed the playoffs with a 78-84 record -- and was named NL Manager of the Year. He was unceremoniously fired days at the conclusion of the season by owner Jeffrey Loria. The two had been at odds since having a vocal argument that August.
Baltimore is seeking to end a franchise-record run of nine straight losing seasons. Since Davey Johnson took the Orioles to the playoffs in 1997, Ray Miller, Mike Hargrove, Mazzilli and Perlozzo have failed to produce so much as a .500 record.
Buster Olney is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I wonder if Leo Mazzone will hang around much longer. I think he and Perlozzo were life-long pals.
That bullpen is an absolute mess. It's ruined a bunch of Burres and Guthrie's well pitched games.
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Originally posted by kcjones119:
I wonder if Leo Mazzone will hang around much longer. I think he and Perlozzo were life-long pals.
That bullpen is an absolute mess. It's ruined a bunch of Burres and Guthrie's well pitched games.
All coaches are staying. For now.
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Bring on Girardi!
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Fire. The. OWNER!
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Why? What did he do to make them so bad?
They're the 10th highest paid club. So it's not like he's so stingy that they can't afford to have a good team.
And he's not the one making the personnel decisions. The only personnel decision I can remember him having any direct input into was to NOT trade Brian Roberts for Adam Laroche, and that was a great move.
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Fire. The. OWNER!
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i think its the deals that he DOESNT make that are the reason why people hate him.
you're the first person i've ever heard defend him.
come on, he might have been able to pull of Ramirez for Tejada two years back (maybe) and that would have been great! (for the Orioles).
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the o's have had a ton of different guys managing and picking players in the past 10 years. owner's been the same, so has the result
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The same could be said of the Wizards until a couple of years ago. Should they have canned Abe Pollin?
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
the o's have had a ton of different guys managing and picking players in the past 10 years. owner's been the same, so has the result
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Didn't Angelos also employ a Psychiatric/psychology/character type exam before all trades and free agent signings?
That's a little hands on.
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Are you trying to imply that that's rare in baseball? I've read it's fairly commonplace.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Didn't Angelos also employ a Psychiatric/psychology/character type exam before all trades and free agent signings?
That's a little hands on.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Are you trying to imply that that's rare in baseball? I've read it's fairly commonplace.
Not at all, but Angelos supposedly sets up and goes over every exam personally. You rarely are allowed to forget about Angelos' prior history as a personal-injury attorney when mentioning how in depth "the Orioles" [read Angelos] review the medical history and psychiatric exams of every player the Orioles trade for or sign as a free agent. Because of this, players don't like hearing their names involved in possible trades to Baltimore.
I mean, has the front office done anything since the signing of Tejada 4 years ago?
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Well if you have a good medical history and are psychiatrically solid, why would you mind hearing your name involved in trade talks to Baltimore? Shouldn't you accept it as par for the course in a profession where the average salary is around 3 million dollars a year, to play a game?
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Are you trying to imply that that's rare in baseball? I've read it's fairly commonplace.
Not at all, but Angelos supposedly sets up and goes over every exam personally. You rarely are allowed to forget about Angelos' prior history as a personal-injury attorney when mentioning how in depth "the Orioles" [read Angelos] review the medical history and psychiatric exams of every player the Orioles trade for or sign as a free agent. Because of this, players don't like hearing their names involved in possible trades to Baltimore.
I mean, has the front office done anything since the signing of Tejada 4 years ago? [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Well if you have a good medical history and are psychiatrically solid, why would you mind hearing your name involved in trade talks to Baltimore? Shouldn't you accept it as par for the course in a profession where the average salary is around 3 million dollars a year, to play a game?
You're not worth my effort. Enjoy rooting for the Clippers of MLB.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
The same could be said of the Wizards until a couple of years ago. Should they have canned Abe Pollin?
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
the o's have had a ton of different guys managing and picking players in the past 10 years. owner's been the same, so has the result
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no they should have fired mike jordan
hey that worked!
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Anybody looking for a job?
Report: Girardi turns down Orioles
Ex-Marlins skipper won't become team's next manager, ESPN reports
Joe Girardi today turned down the Orioles' offer to become their new manager, according to an ESPN report.
Orioles officials interviewed the ex-Florida Marlins manager Tuesday and came away impressed enough to ask him to replace the fired Sam Perlozzo.
While former bullpen coach Dave Trembley serves as interim manager, the Orioles now will turn to others on their list, which apparently includes Davey Johnson, who led the club to its last winning season, in 1997, and former San Francisco Giants and Chicago Cubs manager Dusty Baker. The Orioles also were going to interview Rick Dempsey, who had been on the coaching staff before joining the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network as a commentator.
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The Orioles make me so depressed, I can hardly talk about it.
I still love them though.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Anybody looking for a job?
Report: Girardi turns down Orioles
Ex-Marlins skipper won't become team's next manager, ESPN reports
Joe Girardi today turned down the Orioles' offer to become their new manager, according to an ESPN report.
Orioles officials interviewed the ex-Florida Marlins manager Tuesday and came away impressed enough to ask him to replace the fired Sam Perlozzo.
While former bullpen coach Dave Trembley serves as interim manager, the Orioles now will turn to others on their list, which apparently includes Davey Johnson, who led the club to its last winning season, in 1997, and former San Francisco Giants and Chicago Cubs manager Dusty Baker. The Orioles also were going to interview Rick Dempsey, who had been on the coaching staff before joining the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network as a commentator.
No big surprise he turned down the job, it's a shitty job. It's nearly impossible to compete long term with the Yanks and Sox spending all that money in the same division.
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Give Trembley a chance. Hell, 20 years in the minors has to be worth something. What have you got to lose?
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Originally posted by Shemp:
Give Trembley a chance. Hell, 20 years in the minors has to be worth something. What have you got to lose?
Wasn't Trembly the bullpen coach? The same bullpen that can't hold a lead to save their lives?
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Give Trembley a chance. Hell, 20 years in the minors has to be worth something. What have you got to lose?
Wasn't Trembly the bullpen coach? The same bullpen that can't hold a lead to save their lives? [/b]
That's got more to do with the pitching coach than the bullpen coach.
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
No big surprise he turned down the job, it's a shitty job. It's nearly impossible to compete long term with the Yanks and Sox spending all that money in the same division.
Yep, it's the Yankees and Red Sox fault, even though Baltimore is 11 games below .500 despite being 3-3 combined against the Yankees and Red Sox this season.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Shadrach:
No big surprise he turned down the job, it's a shitty job. It's nearly impossible to compete long term with the Yanks and Sox spending all that money in the same division.
Yep, it's the Yankees and Red Sox fault, even though Baltimore is 11 games below .500 despite being 3-3 combined against the Yankees and Red Sox this season. [/b]
More specifically it's the fault of major league baseball as a whole. The fact that there is no salary cap has made professional baseball nearly unwatchable. That and Peter Angelos is a terrible owner.
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It seems it has finally occurred to The Little Napolean that he needs to turn the organization over to a baseball guy and get out of the way. We'll see if he is able to do it.
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The O's were willing to spend money before they got gun shy after making bad decisions (i.e. Joey Belle).
And the Twins and A's have shown that you don't need to outspend the league to win consistently.
The O's fall from grace is on the head of Peter Angelos. From what I know he's a scumbag, and he's an incompetent baseball guy, and the worst kind of owner - the incompetent control freak (see also Snyder, D.)
Its not just that the O's have been bad for a decade, but they play soullessly. That's why I don't mind seeing Perlazzo go, since his team's were so uninspired. Its one thing to be mediocre, but at least look alive.
Peter Angelos is the devil - but hopefully the MacPhail era will revitalize Camden Yards.
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Really? Almost the whole day went by and nobody mentioned 30-3?
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Last night's loss to the Twins is more aggravating. At some point, getting blown out becomes rather ridiculous, but the errors that cost the Orioles last night's game are more embarrassing.
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Getting to watch your Orioles two nights in a row now vs my Halo's, I can tell you that you've got one stinky bad team. Just terrible.
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angelos is an ass, but he did try to spend money on the bullpen this year.
The Orioles are so depressing. Every year in March, I try to have a positive outlook on the team, but every year, they let me down.
This is the worst they've been since 1988 when they went 0-21 (or 23, I can't remember since I was 10) at the beginning of the season.
Plus, Gibby's steroid use in the press isn't helping any either. Thanks Gibby.
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I recall thinking in April that at least the Orioles will have a better season than the Nationals, who baseball writers or experts were predicting would have an historically awful season. Maybe they should have looked further up I-95.
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It's become completely comical.
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I think Andy Mac realizes there's only one solution...
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Speaking of blowing a fuse.....
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Also, remember that we've lost almost all of our starting pitchers due to injuries.
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
Also, remember that we've lost almost all of our starting pitchers due to injuries.
I understand, but it was much worse than that the past two games. Your bullpen couldn't get me out if they had to, and there is a complete and utter lack of focus in the field and at the plate. That team is really going through the motions right now - the last 20 games especially. This is not the same team that came through Anaheim in June and at least put up a fight. I can see now how they've been no hit and set an MLB record for a loss in the last 30 days.
I think my favrotie part was when the MASN announcer asked Trembley during the inning if there was a lack of focus in the 5 run first inning and he said no - but at the first instance he had to get the players attention he threw a tirade and got tossed, the sole purpose of which was to refocus his players. Classic.
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
Also, remember that we've lost almost all of our starting pitchers due to injuries.
here's a list of the nats SPs for the season (sorted by most games started):
1. M Chico (27)
2. M Bacsik (19)
3. J Bergmann (17)
4. S Hill (14)
5. J Simontacchi (13)
6. T Redding (12)
7. J Hanrahan (9)
8. M Bowie (8)
9. J Patterson (7)
10. J Lannan (6)
11. L Speigner (6)
12. J Williams (6)
13. B Traber (2)
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I'm not trying to say that that's why the O's are losing, but it doesn't help.
They seem to do this every august, but this year, it's so much worse than the past.
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Anybody have any opinions on whether the O's made the right move to rehire Tremblay for next year?
Given the right players and owner, is he good major league manager material? Better or worse than Perlozzo? Mazilli?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Anybody have any opinions on whether the O's made the right move to rehire Tremblay for next year?
Given the right players and owner, is he good major league manager material? Better or worse than Perlozzo? Mazilli?
given the right players and owner right there just invalidates your prior question.
since you dont have either, the coach doesnt much matter.
i think its hard to say whos better or worse, though.
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I think the O's need to go w/o a manager. It seems like they play really well (for them) under interim managers. As soon as they hire one permanently, they lose every game.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Given the right players and owner, is he good major league manager material?
Yes, and I think you will see him succeed elsewhere in the future.
I don't think Mike Scioscia could succeed under this owner, and I think Mike is the best manager in baseball.
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now you o's fans are starting to realize what it's like to be a pirates fan.
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My theory is they need to go without Miguel Tejada, or at least make him the DH.
The O's actually had a winning record when Tejada was out injured. Coincidence?
Originally posted by K8teebug:
I think the O's need to go w/o a manager. It seems like they play really well (for them) under interim managers. As soon as they hire one permanently, they lose every game.
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The O's haven't had a good season since 1996. I know that's not as long as some teams, but I feel like we've suffered enough.
I am tired of watching Baseball Tonight and only hearing bad things about the Orioles. (with the exception of Bedard who is now injured and out for the season)
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Originally posted by BookerT:
now you o's fans are starting to realize what it's like to be a pirates fan.
Well, they should be doubly upset as their payroll has been at least double (on the average) over the last 20 years, but I get your point.
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The O's won the World Series in 1983. All teams being equal, they're really not due to win another one until 2013. So O's fans need to quit their bitching!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by BookerT:
now you o's fans are starting to realize what it's like to be a pirates fan.
Well, they should be doubly upset as their payroll has been at least double (on the average) over the last 20 years, but I get your point. [/b]
pirates fans have just been stillrz fans during the summer for the past 35 years, though
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
pirates fans have just been stillrz fans during the summer for the past 35 years, though
Come on. 90, 91, 92? Those were exciting (al beit disappointing in the end) years.
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and everyone cared more about the steelers (who werent good or exciting) i lived through it, it was funny
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Year____________Total Payroll____Record
2007
Baltimore Orioles $ 93,554,808 (61-83 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 38,537,833 (65-81 â?? 5th NL Central)
2006
Baltimore Orioles $ 72,585,582 (70-92 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 46,717,750 (67-95 â?? 5th NL Central)
2005
Baltimore Orioles $ 73,914,333 (74-88 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 38,133,000 (67-95 â?? Last NL Central)
2004
Baltimore Orioles $ 51,623,333 (78-84 â?? 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 32,227,929 (72-89 â?? 5th NL Central)
2003
Baltimore Orioles $ 73,877,500 (71-91 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 54,812,429 (75-87 â?? 4th NL Central)
2002
Baltimore Orioles $ 60,493,487 (67-95 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 42,323,599 (72-89 - 4th NL Central)
2001
Baltimore Orioles $ 74,279,540 (63-98 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 57,760,833 (62-100 â?? Last NL Central)
2000
Baltimore Orioles $ 83,141,198 (74-88 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 26,561,667 (69-93 â?? 5th NL Central)
1999
Baltimore Orioles $ 70,818,363 (78-84 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 24,217,666 (78-83 â?? 3rd NL Central)
1998
Baltimore Orioles $ 70,408,134 (79-83 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 13,752,000 (69-93 â?? Last NL Central)
1997
Baltimore Orioles $ 54,871,399 (98-64 â?? 1st AL east)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 9,071,666 (79-83 â?? 2nd NL Central)
1996
Baltimore Orioles $ 48,726,832 (88-74 â?? 2nd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 21,253,500 (73-89 â?? Last NL Central)
1995
Baltimore Orioles $ 40,835,519 (71-73 - 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 17,043,000 (58-68 â?? Last NL Central)
1994
Baltimore Orioles $ 37,669,769 (63-49)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 20,265,500 (53-61)
1993
Baltimore Orioles $ 26,914,000 (85-77 - 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 23,565,667 (75-87 â?? 5th NL East)
1992
Baltimore Orioles $ 20,997,667 (89-73 â?? 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 32,589,167 (96-66 â?? 1st NL East)
1991
Baltimore Orioles $ 14,627,334 (67-95 â?? Last AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 23,064,667 (98-64 - 1st NL East)
1990
Baltimore Orioles $ 10,037,084 (76-85 â?? 5th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 15,656,000 (95-67 â?? 1st AL East)
1989
Baltimore Orioles $ 8,176,666 (85-75 â?? 2nd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 11,993,500 (74-88 â?? 5th NL East)
1988
Baltimore Orioles $ 9,995,404 (54-107 â?? Last AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 7,627,500 (85-75 â?? 2nd NL East)
Total:
Baltimore $1 Billion (1491 Wins)
Pittsburgh $556 Million (1410 Wins)
Amount spent per win:
Baltimore: $670,690.81
Pittsburgh: $394,326.24
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I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
and everyone cared more about the steelers (who werent good or exciting) i lived through it, it was funny
I see - different point. I've never lived in Pittsburgh despite being a Steelers and Bucco's fan (dad and grandfather lived there).
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97...almost forgot about that year. good times
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
and everyone cared more about the steelers (who werent good or exciting) i lived through it, it was funny
I see - different point. I've never lived in Pittsburgh despite being a Steelers and Bucco's fan (dad and grandfather lived there). [/b]
oh the steeler run the area. women come to work in casey hampton jerseys on fridays and know where willie reid grew up. my dad got a lecture in home depot from a stranger about how his pirates shirt should be a steelers shirt. its pretty insane
not to say the early 90's werent fun to be a buccos/pens fan. what part of town is your dad and grandfather from?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
what part of town is your dad and grandfather from?
No idea. My dad was not there long, but my grandfather (my mom's dad, actually) was there until after the war, then he moved to CA.
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ah cool. that's the first think you hear at the steelers bar 'where yinz from'
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I don't need them to win the world series (although that would be nice!). It would just be nice to see the O's have a winning season. Or at least be playing 500 ball.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?
because it takes 6 teams of nl central crap to match the 4 al west teams
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More so than a new owner, I think the O's need a change in the GM level of the front office. Hopefully with the hiring of Andy MacPhail a few months ago, Angelos will hold to his word when he said he's going to give him full control and not meddle in the day to day operations of the team. MacPhail needs to take Angelos's money (which you can't say the O's need an owner who will spend more, they are 10th in MLB payroll this year) and put it to good use, signing young free agents, and extending the young talent that we do have, like Bedard, Markakis, Roberts, etc., not signing aging stars, or a $40 million bullpen
Oh yeah, get the issue with the damn jumbotron resolved too. sheeesh.
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Originally posted by paul3mac:
Angelos will hold to his word when he said he's going to give him full control and not meddle in the day to day operations of the team.
This is the key. It doesn't matter who the GM is if Angelos continues to meddle. You're right that they don't need a new owner, they just need an owner who won't meddle, but I don't think Angelos can be that type of owner. Only time will tell though.
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?
because it takes 6 teams of nl central crap to match the 4 al west teams [/b]
LOL. yeah, that division shouldnt even get a playoff spot this year!
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Just saw on ESPN the Twins GM is resigning (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3017356) . Sign him, let him and MacPhail have full control of the team and Angelos can sit back and wait for the world series rings to flow in :D
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?
there are 30 teams. . since baseball does not have interleague play throughout the season, the leagues cannot be even, or else there would be 1 team not playing when all the other teams are playing.
as to why the nl central has 6 teams. . .when baseball did their realignment in 1994 and went to 3 divisions and had 2 nl expansion teams, the nl central ended up with 5 teams, while the nl west and nl east both had 4 teams. there were 28 teams at this point (14 al teams and 14 nl teams)
in 1998 with the addition of the d-backs (nl) and devil rays (al), the leagues totaled 30 teams, but 15 in each league. since baseball is played primarily intra-league, that would have resulted in 1 team not playing. so, to keep that from happening, mlb had to move 1 al team to the nl. so the brewers switched leagues, and the tigers moved from the al east to the al central (to solve the inbalance that would have happened in the al with 4 teams in the al west and central and 6 teams in the al east)
so, to answer your question- since it's inception, the nl central always had more teams than the other division's, and has 6 teams because of the intra-league schedule.
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You lost me. If there were 15 teams in each league (which isn't the case), why would there be one team not playing during intra-league play? Seems like you could have 15 games on tap, each featuring a team from each league.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?
there are 30 teams. . since baseball does not have interleague play throughout the season, the leagues cannot be even, or else there would be 1 team not playing when all the other teams are playing.
as to why the nl central has 6 teams. . .when baseball did their realignment in 1994 and went to 3 divisions and had 2 nl expansion teams, the nl central ended up with 5 teams, while the nl west and nl east both had 4 teams. there were 28 teams at this point (14 al teams and 14 nl teams)
in 1998 with the addition of the d-backs (nl) and devil rays (al), the leagues totaled 30 teams, but 15 in each league. since baseball is played primarily intra-league, that would have resulted in 1 team not playing. so, to keep that from happening, mlb had to move 1 al team to the nl. so the brewers switched leagues, and the tigers moved from the al east to the al central (to solve the inbalance that would have happened in the al with 4 teams in the al west and central and 6 teams in the al east)
so, to answer your question- since it's inception, the nl central always had more teams than the other division's, and has 6 teams because of the intra-league schedule. [/b]
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Intra, not inter.
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you're thinking of interleague play, when nl and al teams play each other
during the rest of the year, there has to be an even number in each league. the al has 14 teams (divisions of 5, 5, and 4) and the nl has 16 (divisions of 6, 5, and 5).
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when the stadium opens our budget will skyrocket into the top-third of the league and we'll have a competitive team in 2009 ... and unlike the completely incompetent orioles, the nats have a proven management team in place who know how to build a team from the ground up
Haha, doing some research on what I said about the Nats farm system and saw this. Awesome.
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Looking back, that is very funny about the Not's.
I am hoping the O's build on last year and go over 500 this season. That would be real nice if do. If not, I still be an O's fan.
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The O's won't be a .500 team this year but they'll be a hell of a lot of fun to watch. 2011 is a lot more likley for breaking .500.
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The only real problem with Boswell's analysis, from my perspective, is that he is overvaluing the Nats draft positions.
LOL
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when the stadium opens our budget will skyrocket into the top-third of the league and we'll have a competitive team in 2009 ... and unlike the completely incompetent orioles, the nats have a proven management team in place who know how to build a team from the ground up
Haha, doing some research on what I said about the Nats farm system and saw this. Awesome.
you were saying...
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Look at you guys taking half the quote and trying to make me look bad.
Here's the full quote:
The only real problem with Boswell's analysis, from my perspective, is that he is overvaluing the Nats draft positions.
Their farm system is extremely light of big league talent, at last viewing I think they were in the high low 20's in farm systems. To think that they can draft their way into a contender in one season is a little shortsighted.
It takes more than money to buy high priced free agents to be a contender (something the cubs have never learned). It takes a good mix of young talent and free agents, and I think the young talent for the Nats is not going to be their in 1-3 years - especially in the pitching department.
Emphasis added.
That was 2007 when Boswell was arguing that the Nats were going to be good in 2010. I said it would take 3-4 years longer than that and I.Was.Spot.On.
As usual.