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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sinatra on April 22, 2005, 02:15:00 am
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as much as I love the 930, the majority of stage-hands there SUCK major ... no matter HOW polite you try to be, catch them when they're just standing there not busy & trying to look cool, they NEVER oblige to give you the setlist.
They say 'it's just a piece of paper, who cares' or 'it's not mine to give' (that's the best one) & then you watch another stage-hand rip it off & throw it away- it's SUCH BS it's sick. I know there aren't any 'DC' laws being broken for getting a setlist- no other venue (& I've been to hundreds) are a-holes like 930- they think they're God & the kings of alternative & coolness- it's really quite played out & stupid.
But then again, I know they don't care but wanted to bitch about it anyway.
what a bunch of f'in a-holes..
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with your attitude, I'd tear it up in front of you too...
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what attitude?! it's called an explanation you fuckin' droll idiot..
oh yeah, let me guess, you're 1 of the cool ones who work there, right?!
I'm so happy for you that you're getting paid $6.45 an hour - but hey, I guess that's the compromise you make when you wanna be cool & work at the 930.
All the Best :D
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the club's employees are not allowed to take anything from the stage and give it out. they have a job to do, and dispensing souveneirs is not part of it. the tour personnel can do whatever they want.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
the club's employees are not allowed to take anything from the stage and give it out. they have a job to do, and dispensing souveneirs is not part of it. the tour personnel can do whatever they want.
I hear you, but a small bit of gratuity like handing a setlist to a fan is a win-win. Being a little reasonable and compassionate goes a long way. Remember, the club is a business that survives on customers.
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what a controversy more elitist behavoir... wait until the dc bloggers get ahold of this one
imho, which does not reflect the managements, bands could turn the post concert auctioning off of setlists into a real money machine. but then someone would turn around and sell them on ebay for a profit and more whining would ensue.
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and while we are at it, i'd like the club to change the toliet paper they use... using it always results in that uncomfortable burning sensation, which detracts from my enjoyment of the show.
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I guess there's a small difference between saying "No, we're not allowed to give away the setlist" (which I have seen done before by staff) and ripping it up and throwing it away in front of people. (If it really did happen that way).
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
and while we are at it, i'd like the club to change the toliet paper they use... using it always results in that uncomfortable burning sensation, which detracts from my enjoyment of the show.
Then grab a setlist and wipe your arse with that, as I'm sure it's better quality than 930 bog roll, and that's about all a setlist is good for.
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Originally posted by sinatra:
I'm so happy for you that you're getting paid $6.45 an hour -
$6.45 per hour, free entry to every 930 show....plus the bonus of pissing obnoxious little twats off by not handing out setlists.
WHERE DO I SIGN UP
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TGIF :D
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
$6.45 per hour, free entry to every 930 show....plus the bonus of pissing obnoxious little twats off by not handing out setlists.
WHERE DO I SIGN UP [/QB]
You'd have to move back here first ;)
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i actually really like getting a setlist, i think it's a nice memento, and it's the perfect thing to get signed if you are lucky enough to meet the band/performer.
but the 9.30 roadies don't hand out setlists unless the band's roadies tell them it's ok. Which i always thought was fair enough, just try and bat your eyelashes at the roadies that you either don't recognise from the club, or the ones dismantling the bands set up.
oh and dr.doom you are a tool........
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Originally posted by sinatra:
I'm so happy for you that you're getting paid $6.45 an hour - but hey, I guess that's the compromise you make when you wanna be cool & work at the 930.
All the Best :D
I'm happy that you're happy for me, but I'll have you know I don't work at the 9:30 club (they'd never have me), and I make $7.00 an hour, thankyouverymuch!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl, elistist scenester:
what a controversy more elitist behavoir... wait until the dc bloggers get ahold of this one
imho, which does not reflect the managements, bands could turn the post concert auctioning off of setlists into a real money machine. but then someone would turn around and sell them on ebay for a profit and more whining would ensue.
Yeah, like the trend of "all access passes" which the larger tours are now selling, and which cost a fortune so the chicks can now PAY UP THE WAZOO for the privilege of doin' what groupies have been doing since the dawn of rock...ain't America a great place? The only thing they don't ask when you buy one is for a current nude photo...(yet) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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For people who clearly don't go to a lot of shows at the 9:30, there is a huge difference between the door staff and the roadies that a band will bring in. Door staff work their ASSES off. If you had any idea what is involved in the job, you would have so much better appreciation for what these guys do. I know, I did it for a year and it was a while before I enjoyed going to concerts again.
A 9:30 Club employee has rules to follow, and that includes not giving out something that isn't theirs. What is on that stage belongs to the performer or band. Whether or not their own roadies hand out a setlist or drum stick is up to them. Don't be pissed at the 9:30 staff, be pissed at the roadies...because chances are the performers are oblivious to whether or not a setlist gets handed to a fan or thrown out.
And Sinatra, chill out dude. People forget that chances are if you work at the 9:30, you love music. But you tend to get a LOT of perspective when you work concerts as opposed to just going to see them as a fan. And for the record, I have a pretty nice collection of setlists...so it's not like I don't appreciate where you are coming from.
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A couple of years ago I politely asked Midnight Oil's soundman for the setlist and got it. No problem for me. Perhaps sinatra's approach matches his/her posts.
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Ya think?
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Garbage Setlist suitable for framing at Seeking Irony (http://seeking_irony.blogspot.com/)
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How do we know that you're the REAL Kosmo???
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
Ya think?
Never. I prefer others (http://www.foxnews.com/) to do it for me :p
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heh heh...hey, on a separate note, what was the intro song that they came out to? I've been wracking my brain to place it, I know I've heard it before somewhere. (sorry, meant to post this one on the Garbage thread)
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Originally posted by sinatra:
no other venue (& I've been to hundreds)
Wow...you've been around. Hundreds?????
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
heh heh...hey, on a separate note, what was the intro song that they came out to? I've been wracking my brain to place it, I know I've heard it before somewhere. (sorry, meant to post this one on the Garbage thread)
Setlist above sez the intro was Hurt .
NIN?
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it was the johnny cash cover of "hurt," not the NIN original.
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i asked the enon's singer for a set list once. she obligied
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Okay, so some bands reuse set lists, some keep them to remember what they played and to be sure to change up sets, some just don't want them out in the general public. It is their property to give away, not the stagehands. And when you yell "Hey gimmie that!" you are just asking not to get it. Politeness counts people, if you want something for free be polite, ask and if they say no then say thanks (not sarcastically) and continue on your way. Don't think that we are obliged to give you the list, and yelling doesn't make me more willing to give you a list. I have a job that I am getting paid to do and handing out set lists is not in the description. If someone does that, it is to be nice, but usually you are too busy to do such things.
And by complaining, NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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I've never had a problem getting a setlist that I wanted. But they have come from the roadies and not 9:30 staff. However, the problem I have is all of the idiot chicks, kicking and screaming to get to one, while whipping out their tits, and then having the roadies say fuck it. Instead of dealing with getting yelled at, they throw it away, and screw little old me.
And when it comes down to it, I've never had one problem with the 9:30 staff. They've always been more than helpful in many situations. And I seem to think they are better than the staff of any other regional club around DC, VA, MD.
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Originally posted by myuman:
Originally posted by thatguy:
the club's employees are not allowed to take anything from the stage and give it out. they have a job to do, and dispensing souveneirs is not part of it. the tour personnel can do whatever they want.
I hear you, but a small bit of gratuity like handing a setlist to a fan is a win-win. Being a little reasonable and compassionate goes a long way. Remember, the club is a business that survives on customers. [/b]
C'mon, thatguy's explanation was completely reasonable. I can only imagine with the bands traipsing through that club that there are all kinds of policies -- it's up to the band's personnel, not the club's personnel.
I have never seen a 9:30 club stapher be anything but polite or at least clear. They're usually only rude when rude is being thrown at them...
And your response on here, sinatra, leads me to believe you have the capability of rudeness.
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And sometimes we want those set lists for ourselves :)
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Originally posted by hitman:
[QB
And when it comes down to it, I've never had one problem with the 9:30 staff. They've always been more than helpful in many situations. And I seem to think they are better than the staff of any other regional club around DC, VA, MD. [/QB]
I've had very, very, very little problems with the staff and what they've done. Only thing I hate is when they ruin the pits by standing in them, but I do laugh at the little dude stapher with his hands up karate style thinking he's gonna stop somebody from hitting him......LOL....The other bigger dude's just stand there with their arms cross, pushing people back in.....Not sure if that's right either.
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Sinatra: Instead of scrambling around up front with the rest of the crowd, just go back to the sound/light booth and ask the band's sound guy for a set list. They always give them to whoever gets there first if you're nice; and the show doesn't go on if the sound engineer doesn't have the set list...
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Only thing I hate is when they ruin the pits by standing in them,
i hardly think that being present in case of injury, fights, or inappropriate behavior constitutes "ruining" a pit.
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
Sinatra: Instead of scrambling around up front with the rest of the crowd, just go back to the sound/light booth and ask the band's sound guy for a set list. They always give them to whoever gets there first if you're nice; and the show doesn't go on if the sound engineer doesn't have the set list...
Sometimes the sound guy doesn't have a set list. Also they often will give them one with notes on it that they need to give to the next guy who is mixing them at the next venue. That said, this is the best way to get one.
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Originally posted by myuman:
I hear you, but a small bit of gratuity like handing a setlist to a fan is a win-win. Being a little reasonable and compassionate goes a long way. Remember, the club is a business that survives on customers.
using last night as an example: there were about a thousand people at the club, all of them our customers which require our reason and compassion so that we may survive as a business. there were, i believe, 5 setlists onstage last night. how do i, as an employee of the club, fairly decide who gets a list and who doesn't? prettiest? most polite? first? nicest rack? biggest package? loudest? least annoying? highest bidder? youngest? oldest? in line the longest? highest bar tab? strongest? a lottery?
there is no fair way to decide, so the club employees don't get involved. if the band or their crew want to give them out, so be it. no club employee should take anything from the stage without the consent of the band or their crew.
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So did they fly their own PA for the show? Did the guy mix in the house?
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I got a setlist from the Travis show at tracks in Charlottesville like 5 years ago..then like two days later i came home from work and found out that my family had been taking phone messages on it all day long
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
So did they fly their own PA for the show? Did the guy mix in the house?
flown pa, mixed from foh. no use of the special hole.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
So did they fly their own PA for the show? Did the guy mix in the house?
flown pa, mixed from foh. no use of the special hole. [/b]
And no one killed by volume?
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by myuman:
I hear you, but a small bit of gratuity like handing a setlist to a fan is a win-win. Being a little reasonable and compassionate goes a long way. Remember, the club is a business that survives on customers.
using last night as an example: there were about a thousand people at the club, all of them our customers which require our reason and compassion so that we may survive as a business. there were, i believe, 5 setlists onstage last night. how do i, as an employee of the club, fairly decide who gets a list and who doesn't? prettiest? most polite? first? nicest rack? biggest package? loudest? least annoying? highest bidder? youngest? oldest? in line the longest? highest bar tab? strongest? a lottery?
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biggest package
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
And no one killed by volume?
i was behind the pa and the subs in the barricade, so i'm not the best to ask about the volume.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
biggest package
highest bar tab
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
And no one killed by volume?
i was behind the pa and the subs in the barricade, so i'm not the best to ask about the volume. [/b]
Well if everyone isn't complaining like last time I guess it was better in check.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I guess there's a small difference between saying "No, we're not allowed to give away the setlist" (which I have seen done before by staff) and ripping it up and throwing it away in front of people. (If it really did happen that way).
I've seen it happen both ways. I understand the rules, I don't mind. At the Garbage show two years ago, my friend, along with several other fans, asked for the setlist. The roadie (I'm fairly certain it was a roadie and not a club employee), after gesturing as if he was going to give it to someone, tore it up.
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Yeah, tearing it up is kind of a dick thing to do. It's kinda saying "I've got this power, so fuck you." Beyond tearing it, I was at a Live on Penn show a couple of years ago, and the sound guys were ripping off of the stage, then crumbling them up and pitching them into the crowd. Albeit, this was amusing, several people just about killed each other going after it, just about knocking themselves out. And one list was thrown near a ten year old, and that kid just about got ripped apart, and he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, his back was turned.