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http://www.blackluvfest.info/index2.htm (http://www.blackluvfest.info/index2.htm)
This event sounds super! Anybody going? Maybe we could organize a White l.u.v. Fest to run concurrently?
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
http://www.blackluvfest.info/index2.htm (http://www.blackluvfest.info/index2.htm)
This event sounds super! Anybody going? Maybe we could organize a White l.u.v. Fest to run concurrently?
Then they would say we were discriminating against them because "white" is in the title.
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Who is "they"?
We're all one race, my brother, the HUMAN race.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
http://www.blackluvfest.info/index2.htm (http://www.blackluvfest.info/index2.htm)
This event sounds super! Anybody going? Maybe we could organize a White l.u.v. Fest to run concurrently?
Then they would say we were discriminating against them because "white" is in the title. [/b]
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Here y' are. (http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3571)
I think Rob Gee might be a renaissance man.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Who is "they"?
We're all one race, my brother, the HUMAN race.
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If its one race, then why is it called the Black l.u.v. Fest? Why can't we be one race my brother?
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Up to 30 British students huddled among the thousands in the Superdome were forced to set up a makeshift security cordon to fend off abusive locals.
Jamie Trout, 22, an economics student from Sunderland, kept a record of his terrifying ordeal. He wrote: "It was like something out of Lord of the Flies - one minute everything is calm and civil, the next it descends into chaos. A man has been arrested for raping a seven-year-old in the toilet, this place is hell. The smell is horrendous, there are toilets overflowing and people everywhere."
Jamie, who had been coaching football to disabled children as part of the Camp America scheme, said people were shouting racial abuse at the Britons because they were white.
May the source (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/172/172478_anarchy_and_agony_in_new_orleans.html) be with you.
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
Up to 30 British students huddled among the thousands in the Superdome were forced to set up a makeshift security cordon to fend off abusive locals.
Jamie Trout, 22, an economics student from Sunderland, kept a record of his terrifying ordeal. He wrote: "It was like something out of Lord of the Flies - one minute everything is calm and civil, the next it descends into chaos. A man has been arrested for raping a seven-year-old in the toilet, this place is hell. The smell is horrendous, there are toilets overflowing and people everywhere."
Jamie, who had been coaching football to disabled children as part of the Camp America scheme, said people were shouting racial abuse at the Britons because they were white.
May the source (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/172/172478_anarchy_and_agony_in_new_orleans.html) be with you.
So why isn't Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton whining about their rights?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
So why isn't Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton whining about their rights?
Racism works both ways. There was a general perception afloat for the last few decades that black America was immune to being the perpetrators of racism, because they've been the traditional sufferers. But I think that notion has gotten a bit stale as of late. The highly vaunted race card appears to have lost some of it's trump power due to reports such as these.
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Jesse Jackson doesn't care about white people
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racism against blacks is still a deeply institutionalized practice in this country. so boo hoo, some lime - sorry - brits got yelled at - probably the only racially-motivated pickle they'll ever be in in their entire lives; but it doesn't make it right. The fact that they are white and can travel abroad for school puts them way ahead of most of the people who they were housed with.
so yeah, racism works both ways just like Mike Tyson beating on a 7 year old's a fair fight. I'm sure that kid can throw a punch - just like any black person can legitimately be a racist.
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Originally posted by sacriforce:
racism against blacks is still a deeply institutionalized practice in this country.
Have you personal experience with this, or is it merely your opinion?
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I'm sure if I walked down Martin Luther King Blvd, I'd be called every white name in the book, and probably killed, but would they consider it a hate crime? Probably not.
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Anything I assert comes from first hand knowledge or experience. so yes.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I'm sure if I walked down Martin Luther King Blvd, I'd be called every white name in the book, and probably killed, but would they consider it a hate crime? Probably not.
and your point is?
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Well please share your experiences rather that spouting cliche as fact. And can your personal experiences really speak for every black persons experience in this country?
Originally posted by sacriforce:
Anything I assert comes from first hand knowledge or experience. so yes.
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Originally posted by sacriforce:
Anything I assert comes from first hand knowledge or experience. so yes.
Can you be more specific? Give examples.
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Originally posted by sacriforce:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I'm sure if I walked down Martin Luther King Blvd, I'd be called every white name in the book, and probably killed, but would they consider it a hate crime? Probably not.
and your point is? [/b]
What happened to the stupid f@#cking question part? Man you are fast at editing.
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I misread and corrected. yup. fast.
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ok... back in 1990 when I was a bike messenger - dreadlocks, Ethiopian - I rode to georgetown to visit a friend. I passed by this Morely Safer looking fellow in a jacket and khakis who called me a fucking nigger. I circled back and said "excuse me?" after which he chucked something at my eye - probably a rock or something. Whatever it was, it cut my eye and I went into what was then Pinnochio's and asked the hostess - an older woman - if I could use their phone to call the police. I told her this man threw something at me that cut my forehead and she said "I'm not surprised" and walked away.
I hauled down the street and foundthe guy walking down the street then found a cop. I told him what happenned and practically begged him to come with me and get the guy. The cop ended up having a conversation with the man, even laughing , and came back telling me to fuck off, saying "Now what if I listened to you and jacked this guy up for no reason? Why the fuck should I believe you?" SO I rode my dumb ass away.
Hold up I've got more...
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Well please share your experiences rather that spouting cliche as fact. And can your personal experiences really speak for every black persons experience in this country?
Originally posted by sacriforce:
Anything I assert comes from first hand knowledge or experience. so yes.
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Dude, the cliche here is your disbelief. Which is understandable becuase you wouldn't know. Got any black friends? Ask em. Hell, ask a brown person.
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actually this entire threasd is a cliche but it's pretty slow here at work so...
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Another time - this time in Toronto - I was walking out of a laundromat with a duffle bag full of freshly washed and dried clothes. Just as I was walking up, I got grabbed and thrown against a wall by 3 undercover constables who assumed I had just broken into an a partment and my bag was full of booty. They kept me there for about a half hour, even after they saw that all I had was clothes, checking my passport, then student visa etc. they even made cracks about taking my shit unless I could provide receipts. nice.
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let me know if you'd like more. I've got decades worth. Otherwise, please cut it the fuck out.
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So how is that not an isolated incident but rather a deeply institutionalized practice?
1. I was mugged by two black guys, and kicked in the head for good measure after they took my wallet.
2. Numerous times while walking down the street with my wife, black men have made comments to the extent, "I'm gonna steal your woman from you."
3. I have seen numerous black teenagers throw their fast food garbage on the ground as they walk down the street...much more often than I have seen white teens exhibit said behaviour.
Am I to conclude that these were not isolated incidents, but rather deeply institutionalized behavioral practices of the Black race?
Originally posted by sacriforce:
ok... back in 1990 when I was a bike messenger - dreadlocks, Ethiopian - I rode to georgetown to visit a friend. I passed by this Morely Safer looking fellow in a jacket and khakis who called me a fucking nigger. I circled back and said "excuse me?" after which he chucked something at my eye - probably a rock or something. Whatever it was, it cut my eye and I went into what was then Pinnochio's and asked the hostess - an older woman - if I could use their phone to call the police. I told her this man threw something at me that cut my forehead and she said "I'm not surprised" and walked away.
I hauled down the street and foundthe guy walking down the street then found a cop. I told him what happenned and practically begged him to come with me and get the guy. The cop ended up having a conversation with the man, even laughing , and came back telling me to fuck off, saying "Now what if I listened to you and jacked this guy up for no reason? Why the fuck should I believe you?" SO I rode my dumb ass away.
Hold up I've got more...
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I was...kicked in the head...
This explains a lot.
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OK
1) I've been mugged 4 times in my life. In all cases, they were black men from bad neighborhoods - I know this because I was in theirs - who were probably unemployed. So yeah I'm comfortable in saying that black - or any other - folk who come from bad neighborhoos, don't work and don't own a stain of hope in life are likely to mug us all bc it's institutionalized behavior. They'll do it to each other's moms as easily as they'll do it to you.
2) I've had white dudes try to do as much without saying as much to me, so it's not a Black Thang, it's a meathead thing.
3) I think it's more of a kid thing than a black kid thing. I see it all the time in my parent's neighborhood out in Franconia.
It sounds to me like you live in a neighborhood where you are or at least feel you're being marginalized by your neighbors for being the white guy. I have a handful of friends in petworth and other places who feel the same. But you're personal experience doesn't change the fact that racism is institutionalized in this country.
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try being gay!
they've been persecuted, killed, hated, laughed at, attacked, slandered, beat up, robbed . . . and that is just by the christians.
the same black man who takes offense at being called a n#@gger, is the same black man who will gladly call a gay person faggot. (just ask fifty-cent . . . or any other rapper; they'll tell 'ya)
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So, how is Rob_Gee assumption of what will happen to him if he walks down MLK:
"I'm sure if I walked down Martin Luther King Blvd, I'd be called every white name in the book, and probably killed, but would they consider it a hate crime? Probably not."
any less cliched than this by sacriforce:
"racism against blacks is still a deeply institutionalized practice in this country."
Sacriforce could write a thesis based on his statement alone. There are documented facts to back up that statement. Go to any book store and you'll find literature to back up that claim.
Now, prove that a white man will be called out of his name if he walks down MLK and/or killed. Back that claim up. Does anyone have personal experience with this? Has anyone had a near death experience walking down MLK? Has anyone here actually walked down MLK?
Bush: what happened to you sucks, and no rational thinking person, no matter thier ethnicty, will give a pass to the people that did that shit to you. But don't use that to discredit Sacriforce's point. And it's not even worth trying. The facts to back that claim up are at anyone's disposal.
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Originally posted by walkonby:
try being gay!
or jewish! people been hatin' on them forever.
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Discrimination: Being Gay vs. Being Minority
Yes, everyone discriminates against a Gays. However, Gays and Lesbian can choose to hide the fact that they are homosexual. Most minorities have no choice but to look like their ethnicity. So, if someone wants to disciriminate against them (us) they can without ever considering who and what we are.
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Originally posted by pickup:
Originally posted by walkonby:
try being gay!
or jewish! people been hatin' on them forever. [/b]
And I'm pretty sure there are books to back that up incase Mr. Vicious is wondering.
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agreed.
jesus, you are guys are posting like I've saidd black people are some kind of holy cow that you're not allowed to reprimand or call out. just read what the fuck I wrote.
This post started of as a cliched poke at some black luv festival. Cliched bc it was followed up w a suggestion for a White luv festival. then it turned into a bitchfest against Sharpon and Jackson's hypocrisy. So my comment was in response to the above. Of course these things always get smacked all out of context and so here we are: chiming "me too" on behalf of jews, gays and midgets.
feel free to continue this debate tomorrow night - you know where I'll be and what I'll be doing. beers are on me.
http://sacriforce.org (http://sacriforce.org)
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i think it's just safe to say that humans hate. i wonder why that is? we are god's image, so does he hate other gods that he doesn't get along with? if one god is making too much money or in the wrong part of the universe, does our god do a galaxy-by? if two guy gods are holding hands in the dupont section of the milky way, does he scream out "homo scum" and "git-r-done" as he (and some of his godly posse) beat the living crap out of them?
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2. Plenty of white guys hit on my wife, but none have done so while I'm walking down the street holding her hand, as several black men have. It's a Black Thang, not a meathead thing. And no, I don't live in Petworth. I'm talking about walking down racially mixed U Street.
3. The garbage throwing I've observed has been by black teens in Adams Morgan and near the Springfield Metro. Always by black kids, not white kids. Both racially mixed areas.
My personal experience offers evidence that some Black men need to improve their behaviour if they wants to be viewed as human beings and beasts.
Originally posted by sacriforce:
OK
1) I've been mugged 4 times in my life. In all cases, they were black men from bad neighborhoods - I know this because I was in theirs - who were probably unemployed. So yeah I'm comfortable in saying that black - or any other - folk who come from bad neighborhoos, don't work and don't own a stain of hope in life are likely to mug us all bc it's institutionalized behavior. They'll do it to each other's moms as easily as they'll do it to you.
2) I've had white dudes try to do as much without saying as much to me, so it's not a Black Thang, it's a meathead thing.
3) I think it's more of a kid thing than a black kid thing. I see it all the time in my parent's neighborhood out in Franconia.
It sounds to me like you live in a neighborhood where you are or at least feel you're being marginalized by your neighbors for being the white guy. I have a handful of friends in petworth and other places who feel the same. But you're personal experience doesn't change the fact that racism is institutionalized in this country.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Plenty of guys hit on my wife
no they don't
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Oh yes they do.
Originally posted by pickup hiccup stickup:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Plenty of guys hit on my wife
no they don't [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Oh yes they do.
Originally posted by pickup hiccup stickup:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Plenty of guys hit on my wife
no they don't [/b]
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just because they ask her for something arbitrary, like the time for example, doesn't mean they're hitting on her.
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and then there's that whole "is god black or white?" i'm sure that is a topic of much amusement from the perspective of our almighty one.
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But when they say "nice legs" or something to that effect while asking for the time, that is generally considered hitting on someone, no?
Originally posted by pickup hiccup stickup:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Oh yes they do.
Originally posted by pickup hiccup stickup:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Plenty of guys hit on my wife
no they don't [/b]
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just because they ask her for something arbitrary, like the time for example, doesn't mean they're hitting on her. [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
But when they say "nice legs" or something to that effect while asking for the time, that is generally considered hitting on someone, no?
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does she actually have nice legs? Because maybe she isn't conscious of her nice legs and they just want to bring them to her attention.
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Of course she has nice legs. My wife is a total hottie. Is she aware of this? I believe she is. Why they feel the need to tell her something she is already quite aware of, I don't know. That's my job, not theirs.
Originally posted by pickup hiccup stickup:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
But when they say "nice legs" or something to that effect while asking for the time, that is generally considered hitting on someone, no?
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does she actually have nice legs? Because maybe she isn't conscious of her nice legs and they just want to bring them to her attention. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
My wife is a total hottie.
that's not the word around the campfire.
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Well you need to quit building your campfire in Dupont Circle.
Originally posted by pickup hiccup stickup:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
My wife is a total hottie.
that's not the word around the campfire. [/b]
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Dude, racially mixed U street is no different than racially mixed Adams Morgan. People get drunk adn act stupid
as for point 3, what can I sat man? Niggers love to throw trash around. OK?
Now that that's settled... my personal experience offers evidence that alot of crackers, spics, heebs, nips, guinaes, gooks, towelheads and oen or two dasardly niggers, as well as some cops, public office holders, meter maids, waiters, barkeeps and venus fly traps need to improve their behaviour if they wants to be viewed as human beings and beasts. Except for the venus flytraps.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
2. Plenty of white guys hit on my wife, but none have done so while I'm walking down the street holding her hand, as several black men have. It's a Black Thang, not a meathead thing. And no, I don't live in Petworth. I'm talking about walking down racially mixed U Street.
3. The garbage throwing I've observed has been by black teens in Adams Morgan and near the Springfield Metro. Always by black kids, not white kids. Both racially mixed areas.
My personal experience offers evidence that some Black men need to improve their behaviour if they wants to be viewed as human beings and beasts.
Originally posted by sacriforce:
OK
1) I've been mugged 4 times in my life. In all cases, they were black men from bad neighborhoods - I know this because I was in theirs - who were probably unemployed. So yeah I'm comfortable in saying that black - or any other - folk who come from bad neighborhoos, don't work and don't own a stain of hope in life are likely to mug us all bc it's institutionalized behavior. They'll do it to each other's moms as easily as they'll do it to you.
2) I've had white dudes try to do as much without saying as much to me, so it's not a Black Thang, it's a meathead thing.
3) I think it's more of a kid thing than a black kid thing. I see it all the time in my parent's neighborhood out in Franconia.
It sounds to me like you live in a neighborhood where you are or at least feel you're being marginalized by your neighbors for being the white guy. I have a handful of friends in petworth and other places who feel the same. But you're personal experience doesn't change the fact that racism is institutionalized in this country.
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i see white folks throw their cigarette butts out the window all the time in the fairly white places of pittsburgh, pa and reston, va. clearly white people need to improve their behaviour if they wants to be viewed as human beings and beasts
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I was...kicked in the head...
This explains a lot. [/b]
At least once a day I can count on a laugh out loud moment from this board. This was today's.
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I have known a few rednecky-type whites who were indeed prejudiced. But fortunately their numbers & these attitudes seem to have diminished over the passage of decades.
I have also encountered a bit of black racism directed my way. Nothing as overt as violence...but real nonetheless. And my personal experience is that this is a growing phenomenon, rather than a diminishing one.
BTW, I currently work for a black owned business. And I have walked alone in black Baltimore without problems...though I've a touch of paranoia at being the token white at those times. Maybe that's how blacks can feel in largely white America..?
I do know how it feels to be a persecuted foreigner, because that has happened to me.
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seriously though I wonder if Xavier would have thought to call attention to a gay pride march or one of the Diwali parties that'll be happenning iin the area soon in the same way he joked about the Black Luv thing. That's sort of fucked up.
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Originally posted by sacriforce:
Now that that's settled... my personal experience offers evidence that alot of crackers, spics, heebs, nips, guinaes, gooks, towelheads and oen or two dasardly niggers, as well as some cops, public office holders, meter maids, waiters, barkeeps and venus fly traps need to improve their behaviour if they wants to be viewed as human beings and beasts. Except for the venus flytraps.
thank you.
isn't this obvious that behavior is a class issue and not a race issue?
rhett, don't you go to nascar races and see this first-hand?
i used to live in the heart of el salvador country in adams morgan and my female friends/roomate would be harrassed all the time, but i bet if they were walking around an upper class neighborhood in san salvador they wouldn't have the same problems
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
I have known a few rednecky-type whites who were indeed prejudiced. But fortunately their numbers & these attitudes seem to have diminished over the passage of decades.
[steps up upon soapbox]
regarding bigotry in general (not just race-related):
i like to think that we're the first generation in the history of mankind to grow up under the social assumption that bigotry is just morally wrong ... i mean, sure, there are still plenty of flat-out bigots, but they know that society as a whole doesn't accept their views as "correct" ... ours is the first generation in the entire history of mankind to have that "enlightened" base of social mores
that said, i would venture to say that the vast majority of people still view those "different" from them (whether it be sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, whatever) with subconcious or (less often now) blatant prejudice
so while i walk around with that first thought all the time, i'm constantly reminded that even though it isn't "socially acceptable" to be a bigot, we still a long way to go
[alights from soapbox]
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I saw the posters for luvfest up on the Mall during my lunchtime run. I was not aware of any of the other events you mention. It's sort of fucked up that you would read any more into it than that and make that comment, rather than actually asking me.
Originally posted by sacriforce:
seriously though I wonder if Xavier would have thought to call attention to a gay pride march or one of the Diwali parties that'll be happenning iin the area soon in the same way he joked about the Black Luv thing. That's sort of fucked up.
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
I do know how it feels to be a persecuted foreigner, because that has happened to me.
Joey, have you ever been in a turkish prison?
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As my wife says, "Isn't it just the politically correct thing to do now to blame poor behaviour on class rather than race?"
But seriously...I go to a NASCAR race once a year, so I don't really have that much contact with the white working class folks, unlike where I grew up. So I'm not in contact with the white working class as much as others...
But my point was that you can't prove a theorem using your own isolated examples. I can't prove that Black people are more poorly behaved than other races just based on my own personal experiences. Nor can I PROVE it's a class thing. Nor can Sacriforce use his personal examples to PROVE some kind of systemic institutional practice of racism.
Blah blah blah. This subject is boring
Maybe if I go to blackluv fest, I can catch a glimpe of this guy playing his trombone
http://www.blackluvfest.info/images/photos/picture3a.jpg (http://www.blackluvfest.info/images/photos/picture3a.jpg)
<img src="http://www.blackluvfest.info/images/photos/picture3a.jpg" alt=" - " />
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by sacriforce:
Now that that's settled... my personal experience offers evidence that alot of crackers, spics, heebs, nips, guinaes, gooks, towelheads and oen or two dasardly niggers, as well as some cops, public office holders, meter maids, waiters, barkeeps and venus fly traps need to improve their behaviour if they wants to be viewed as human beings and beasts. Except for the venus flytraps.
thank you.
isn't this obvious that behavior is a class issue and not a race issue?
rhett, don't you go to nascar races and see this first-hand?
i used to live in the heart of el salvador country in adams morgan and my female friends/roomate would be harrassed all the time, but i bet if they were walking around an upper class neighborhood in san salvador they wouldn't have the same problems [/b]
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Originally posted by econo:
Originally posted by clouds R²:
I do know how it feels to be a persecuted foreigner, because that has happened to me.
Joey, have you ever been in a turkish prison? [/b]
Econo, do you know this film?
<img src="http://www.ibiblio.org/samneill/pictures/dish/dish-bts7-st.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
Econo, do you know this film?
Yeh, same guy that did The Castle. Not as funny though.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Here y' are. (http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3571)
That was a very informative webpage, MTB. It's easy to see how one could be tempted to take their shit seriously to heart...if they hadn't so aggregiously distorted history to fit their facist philosophy.
Yes indeedy, general Sobieski did save Vienna from the Turk. If he was really such a bigass hero to those neo-nazis, then why did the Krauts leave Poland is such a sorry state? As I recall, the Nazis regarded the Slavs as subhuman "untermenschen" and quite literally trashed Poland, leaving only rubble.
...They conveniently omit this detail on that 'vanguard' site.