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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Shadrach on September 14, 2005, 02:16:00 pm
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A POSSIBLE VOICE OF REASON:
With the exception of a handful of people I've been visiting this board for far longer than most. I first started coming here during it's very early days when most of the posts were questions about 9:30 related business or general music topics. Over the years the board has evolved and now people discuss anything and everything, which I think is absolutley great.
The problem though, and the reason why I post so infrequently, is that people love to hide behind the anonimity of an internet identity. In general the rude and abusive people who attack the new people are small minded and insecure in real life and hide behind a false bravado when here. For thatguy to say don't post things you wouldn't say to someone's face in person is a given. 99% of the insults hurled here would never be acceptable or taken during a face to face interaction. And most of the people posting these insults either wouldn't have the balls to say those things in person or simply have better sense. So why do people do this here? I don't know, maybe they were picked on as children or their parents didn't show them enough attention or they're generally sad and lonely people looking to be recongnized for their witty comments.
My point is that no one here that has a reputation for being one of those abusive people is going to suddenly change. We're not going to see a kinder, gentler forum over night. Those people who have always been rude, aggressive, mean spirited, closed minded and selfish will continue to try and push people's buttons and bully the rest of the forum as long as others give them the attention they so desperately long for.
My suggestion: ignore them. If someone has something funny, interesting, provocative or constructive to add then by all means reply. But if they are just being mean for the sake of being mean then pay them no attention and move on. You will never be able to change these people by posting your well thought out argument when they are simply looking to get a reaction in the first place. Oh and when you see these forum members attacking a new visitor speak up and maybe give the newbie a welcome word or two. I don't think that is unreasonable.
The bottom line is that a Justin Timberlake or Blink-182 thread isn't going to send this forum plummeting towards the depths of pop culture phenomenon for more than that one or two threads. We're not going to be suddenly invaded and taken over by the Ashley Simson message forum if she decides to play at 9:30. Just like always those people will come and then leave once the show passes. The true music fans and 9:30 regulars will stick around the forum and continue to make this the fun and interesting place it can be at times.
Perhaps we should change the forum invitation from "Make Trouble" to "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all (to newbies)"
Just my thoughts.
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Eerie thing is that some of them *have* said these things to the others in person. Still I agree.
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The second paragraph was well said or written, whatever people prefer.
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i'm feeling all warm and fuzzy inside now, how bout u?
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You should probably see a doctor about that.
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well i have been wondering if the last time i nailed the ex-gf [3x] i got something from her [she was oddly even better for some reason - wondered if she learned it elsewhere, hmmmmm]
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I still don't see why we must equate this or any internet chatboard with real life.
Perhaps you folks who have been on this and every other internet board for the last 12 years have allowed the internet to take over your life, or let the internet bleed too much into your real life. Lighten up!!!
I mean, if some asshole is talking loudly on his cell phone an waving a cigarette at a show, at most I'm going to politely ask him to stop. Whereas if I were operating in the chatboard world, I would tell him he's an asshole for carrying a cell phone and a self hating douchebag for smoking cigarettes.
As far as the "abuse of newbies"...that's the way it goes in our society. People join fraternities, and they have to go around campus and do goofy shit. People who are rookies on sports teams get their heads shaved, or get put through other hazing rituals. People who have a new job usually have to do the shittiest work. People who listen to Good Charlotte get their bodies modified or dye their hair purple or some other stupid shit that will make them fit in with their trendy little crowd. People who join chatboards get a little hazing, just like they were breaking into any other community in the world.
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When Rhett first joined the Government Beancounters Department, the old-timers hazed him by only allowing him to use an abacus.
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Super joke! Can I have your permission to use that one at our office tea tomorrow morning?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
When Rhett first joined the Government Beancounters Department, the old-timers hazed him by only allowing him to use an abacus.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
As far as the "abuse of newbies"...that's the way it goes in our society. People join fraternities, and they have to go around campus and do goofy shit.
College hazing is against the law.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I still don't see why we must equate this or any internet chatboard with real life.
Perhaps you folks who have been on this and every other internet board for the last 12 years have allowed the internet to take over your life, or let the internet bleed too much into your real life. Lighten up!!!
I mean, if some asshole is talking loudly on his cell phone an waving a cigarette at a show, at most I'm going to politely ask him to stop. Whereas if I were operating in the chatboard world, I would tell him he's an asshole for carrying a cell phone and a self hating douchebag for smoking cigarettes.
As far as the "abuse of newbies"...that's the way it goes in our society. People join fraternities, and they have to go around campus and do goofy shit. People who are rookies on sports teams get their heads shaved, or get put through other hazing rituals. People who have a new job usually have to do the shittiest work. People who listen to Good Charlotte get their bodies modified or dye their hair purple or some other stupid shit that will make them fit in with their trendy little crowd. People who join chatboards get a little hazing, just like they were breaking into any other community in the world.
You make a valid point here. The difference, however, between the examples you made and this forum is huge. For one thing you expect those things in most of those situations. The biggest difference though is this; the 9:30 forum exists as an extension of the club itself and the club, as a buisness, is in the business of attracting new patrons and encouraging all types of people to come and enjoy live music. The key words here being "new" and "encourage".
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god, i hate to agree with rhett (not very provocative), but if you take things on the internet too seriously, its time go to go outside. or do work or something
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Bingo........Meaning Shadrach's response.
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Can't argue with you on that one. However, do you really think the forum drums up all that much business for the 9:30 Club? I would think it's the bands that are drumming up the business. Or the advertising in the Post or City Paper. Surely many, many more people read the advertisements than bother to read/post on the internet board? But still, ultimately you are right. It's the 9:30's board, they can set the rules...it's a business, not a democracy.
Originally posted by Shadrach:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I still don't see why we must equate this or any internet chatboard with real life.
Perhaps you folks who have been on this and every other internet board for the last 12 years have allowed the internet to take over your life, or let the internet bleed too much into your real life. Lighten up!!!
I mean, if some asshole is talking loudly on his cell phone an waving a cigarette at a show, at most I'm going to politely ask him to stop. Whereas if I were operating in the chatboard world, I would tell him he's an asshole for carrying a cell phone and a self hating douchebag for smoking cigarettes.
As far as the "abuse of newbies"...that's the way it goes in our society. People join fraternities, and they have to go around campus and do goofy shit. People who are rookies on sports teams get their heads shaved, or get put through other hazing rituals. People who have a new job usually have to do the shittiest work. People who listen to Good Charlotte get their bodies modified or dye their hair purple or some other stupid shit that will make them fit in with their trendy little crowd. People who join chatboards get a little hazing, just like they were breaking into any other community in the world.
You make a valid point here. The difference, however, between the examples you made and this forum is huge. For one thing you expect those things in most of those situations. The biggest difference though is this; the 9:30 forum exists as an extension of the club itself and the club, as a buisness, is in the business of attracting new patrons and encouraging all types of people to come and enjoy live music. The key words here being "new" and "encourage". [/b]
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drummy drummy drummy.
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i dunno but all this talk about talking is getting tiresome. i cant rmemeber the last new original or interesting substantial contribution to this board since i came back to it last week in a drunken stupor after anesthethetizing myself from the wrath of the Mockinbirds band. maybe like being attracted to ugly ppl when u r drunk i was likewise attracted to this board. ha but im nolonger drunk. [note to self: think i need to keep a lil nip btl in my desk drawer]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I mean, if some asshole is talking loudly on his cell phone an waving a cigarette at a show, at most I'm going to politely ask him to stop. Whereas if I were operating in the chatboard world, I would tell him he's an asshole for carrying a cell phone and a self hating douchebag for smoking cigarettes.
i saw something like that at the snow patrol show at the 9:30. guy tells girl to 'shut the fuck up', more politely of course, and chick decides she should try and start a fight with the guy. now i will say it was pure entertainment, aside from the fact she disrupted my snow patrol enjoyment.
if people are that rude in person, surely its not all that different online. or perhaps that chick is one of the users here :D
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
My suggestion: ignore them.
How about an Ignore Username feature? I've seen it in action on a couple of other bboards. You merely select the user(s) you wish to ignore...and their poasts never appear on your screen again. It's beautiful. I know of a couple of users I'd select to ignore in a New York minute.
BTW, I suggested this awhile back. Haven't you had enough time to chew this idea over in your very big brain?
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I still don't see why we must equate this or any internet chatboard with real life.
because it is real life. there are real people on the other end of each of those names. you are communicating with people. as such, you should use the same judgement you would use in a face to face conversation.
Perhaps you folks who have been on this and every other internet board for the last 12 years have allowed the internet to take over your life, or let the internet bleed too much into your real life. Lighten up!!!
perhaps you folks that have not been around as long should learn from the experiences of those who have, and act like decent human beings when interacting with other human beings.
As far as the "abuse of newbies"...that's the way it goes in our society.
this ain't your society. this is the club's webpage. if one guest in my house is rude to another, i'm going to ask them to leave. same rules apply here.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Can't argue with you on that one. However, do you really think the forum drums up all that much business for the 9:30 Club? I would think it's the bands that are drumming up the business. Or the advertising in the Post or City Paper. Surely many, many more people read the advertisements than bother to read/post on the internet board?
what about all of the posts that everyone complains about every time there's a presale, or a big pop show? where are those people looking for information? seems to me that they are coming right here.
when i'm looking for information about a band, or a show, or a venue, the first thing i do is check their webpage. do i take the time to join their fora and post? not usually. but i do go and look around. the url of this site is in all of our ads and mailings, and bands link to our site from theirs constantly. this place (the site as a whole) has become a major source of information.
i don't have any statistics for this site's traffic, but a usenet newsgroup i used to frequent averaged about 50,000 lurkers to maybe 100 regular posters. i don't think our numbers are that high, but it shows that there are usually way more people reading than posting. if even a small fraction of the people that read the site leave with a bad taste in their mouth, it's too many for me.
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Congratulations, you officially sound like your dad. :p
Originally posted by thatguy:
As far as the "abuse of newbies"...that's the way it goes in our society.
this ain't your society. this is the club's webpage. if one guest in my house is rude to another, i'm going to ask them to leave. same rules apply here. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Since many here know others here in real life, it *does* flow as real life. You really torque someone here you may well see them at a show and maybe get bitchslapped.
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A band I'm very familiar with (playing the 930 in a couple weeks) SHUT DOWN their forum because of constant negative energy. They felt it would affect potential sales from new listeners/browsers who visited the site for information of their new album.
thatguy and 930 could shut this forum down in very short notice. I suggest you play by the rules so we don't lose a good thing.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I still don't see why we must equate this or any internet chatboard with real life.
because it is real life. there are real people on the other end of each of those names. you are communicating with people. as such, you should use the same judgement you would use in a face to face conversation.
Perhaps you folks who have been on this and every other internet board for the last 12 years have allowed the internet to take over your life, or let the internet bleed too much into your real life. Lighten up!!!
perhaps you folks that have not been around as long should learn from the experiences of those who have, and act like decent human beings when interacting with other human beings.
As far as the "abuse of newbies"...that's the way it goes in our society.
this ain't your society. this is the club's webpage. if one guest in my house is rude to another, i'm going to ask them to leave. same rules apply here. [/b]
Wins my vote for post of the month. Seriously, is it really so hard to act like a real person on the internet?
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my suggestion would simply be that if someone becomes personally abusive, they get bounced
it's one thing to talk about why you don't like a band...it's another to put someone down for liking them...which is sort of like homophobes decrying gays
on the other hand, whatever you want to say about me or the club is fine...bring it on
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Is this really that big of a deal? Thatguy simply reminded us to try and be a little nicer to newbies and we've got all these people (well mostly Rhett) saying "why should I?" like a bunch of freaking 12 year olds. Jeez.
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
on the other hand, whatever you want to say about me or the club is fine...bring it on
I think the question on all of our minds would have to be: is your mother fair game?
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Oh God :roll:
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Oh God :roll:
I'm just asking. If he says no, I won't go there.
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I think often people tie themselves to some sort of music and group too closely, and people sometimes take "such and such group sucks" too personally. Or sometimes in our need to easily pidgeonhole people, we tie them to some group or some genre. Like people say I'm alt-country or something, when in reality maybe 25% or less of my music collection consists of alt-country.
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
my suggestion would simply be that if someone becomes personally abusive, they get bounced
it's one thing to talk about why you don't like a band...it's another to put someone down for liking them...which is sort of like homophobes decrying gays
on the other hand, whatever you want to say about me or the club is fine...bring it on
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Well that's the thing. It really does seem hard for people to act like a real person on the internet.
I've met and chatted with perhaps 10-15 board members past and present. And more often than not, they
a. acted quite different from the image they portray online.
b. looked nothing like you would have imagined them to look like.
Online, people are playing characters. Often, their online personality doesn't match who they are offline. And why would they? Online, you can be anyone or anything you want to be. And isn't it a bit weird sharing your real self with complete strangers?
And just as often, people feel the need to turn other online people into simple caracatures (sorry, I'm too lazy to look up the spelling)rather than the complex human beings that they really are. It's easy to take a handful of things that someone says, and in your mind develop this whole character around your chosen statements. You're not basing it on the person, more likely you're basing it on your own prejudices.
Originally posted by j_lee:
Wins my vote for post of the month. Seriously, is it really so hard to act like a real person on the internet? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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This 'forum business' shit is getting old really fast, and I most heartedly apologise if my last comment offended anyone. ;)
Just think of this stupid message board as a tv channel, and if you don't like what's on telly, then switch to another channel, or tunr it off.
That seems to be a more sensible alternative than censoring the 'elitist pricks' and whatever other catogeries members were grouped into.
I've been a member for quite a while and it's members seem to be a lot less offensive towards each other now than it was in the past. I miss the days markie, rhett, celeste, lulu, ggw, eddie and myself really let each other have it.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I miss the days markie, rhett, celeste, lulu, ggw, eddie and myself really let each other have it.
Sounds like quite the orgy you guys had going in the past. Glad I wasn't around to witness it.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I've been a member for quite a while and it's members seem to be a lot less offensive towards each other now than it was in the past. I miss the days markie, rhett, celeste, lulu, ggw, eddie and myself really let each other have it.
Ahh the good old days!
But mostly we were having a good fight about something. Not just calling each other names.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I miss the days markie, rhett, celeste, lulu, ggw, eddie and myself really let each other have it.
Sounds like quite the orgy you guys had going in the past. Glad I wasn't around to witness it. [/b]
Especially when it was Lulu and Celeste!!!!! :eek:
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Rob would have creamed in his pants.
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I miss the days markie, rhett, celeste, lulu, ggw, eddie and myself really let each other have it.
Sounds like quite the orgy you guys had going in the past. Glad I wasn't around to witness it. [/b]
Especially when it was Lulu and Celeste!!!!! :eek: [/b]
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Again, I don't think anyone has a problem with people who are comfortable with the back and forth that goes on between seasoned board members. Most of you can dish it out just as much as you can take it.
We're just asking that when someone starts a thread to see who else is coming to the Hanson show that there isn't that pack mentality of we must defend our board against the senseless pop fans. As I said before, let them come in and look around. They will either see that this place isn't for them and fade away in time or they'll find that this place is interesting and fun at times and join in the maddness. It's just not cool when a newbie comes here because they can't wait to see Good Charlotte and the first ten responses are "you suck and your music taste sucks and your favorite band is a bunch of losers..." I am 100% positive that if I went through all your music collections that I would find something in there of more then questionable taste. So when some 15 year old girl wanders in here looking for someone to share in her excitment try to remember what you or your parents were listening to at that age and how your tastes have grown and changed over the years.
Here's a novel idea. When I meet people who's taste in music is questionable (at least to me), I try to expose them to something new they might like. It's a slow process that typically requires me to start with something that won't scare them away too fast. Then slowly over time they're listening to some of the music that they never would have found on their own. I'm sure many of you have had experiences just like that.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I've met and chatted with perhaps 10-15 board members past and present. And more often than not, they
a. acted quite different from the image they portray online.
b. looked nothing like you would have imagined them to look like.
OK, which one was it.
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Originally posted by econo:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I've met and chatted with perhaps 10-15 board members past and present. And more often than not, they
a. acted quite different from the image they portray online.
b. looked nothing like you would have imagined them to look like.
OK, which one was it. [/b]
I can show you what a special part of me looks like...here's a pic of my pussy (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/team_dupek/spycat.jpg).
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
[QB] Can't argue with you on that one. However, do you really think the forum drums up all that much business for the 9:30 Club? I would think it's the bands that are drumming up the business.
From my own experience- yes the forum drums up a lot of business for the 9:30 club and by extension a number of other venues in DC (Warehouse especially). I attended my first 9:30 show about a year ago, right after my move to DC. I met a friendly forum member who suggested I check out the board for news about local music and upcoming shows. I can fairly say that I have gone to about three times as many shows as I likely would have, found out about new music sooner (when people still talked about music), and even attended the screening of the 9:30 documentary â?? all because of reading the forum. By extension the club has sold me a lot of beer and spirits (emphasis on a lot), food, and concert tickets. I even joined a fantasy football league, wrote a show review for a forum memberâ??s website, and developed a health obsession with all things Canadian (its okay I used to get CBC over the air in my hometown), because of the forum. So you can see that the forum does have a great potential to bring business to the club, even from people who donâ??t post all that much, like me. Signing off from the indie-yuppie-establishment. Go back to your business.
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Could it also be argued that the arguing and bickering and "nastiness" also drums up business for the 9:30 Club as well?
I'm willing to wager there are hundreds of lurkers out there who read this board for pure comedic value, and the shenanigans that go on here keep them coming back time and time again. This leads to a greater overall knowledge of what is going on at the club, and more of a likelihood of attending a show.
There's probably 20 of those people for every one Hanson fan who has his feelings hurt so bad that he swears off pop music forever and goes back the his Barney the Dinosaur records from there on out.
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re: tbmtt - "I met a friendly forum member" and "local music and upcoming shows."
here's an idea, why doesnt the 930 club start a dating web page/site? it could make some more bread!
im newly single an looking for a new squeeze [bc im far too sexualto not have regular sex lol] :D and im looking for a chick whos a '930 chick' but theres alot of uptight stiffs in the dc area to weed thru. oy vey.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I'm willing to wager there are hundreds of lurkers out there who read this board for pure comedic value, and the shenanigans that go on here keep them coming back time and time again. This leads to a greater overall knowledge of what is going on at the club, and more of a likelihood of attending a show.
Well it's why one of the Post Going Out Guru's lurks here...
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Puff, the magic dragon, lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honalee.
Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff
And brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff, oh
Puff, the magic dragon, lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honalee.
Puff, the magic dragon, lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honalee.
Together they would travel on boat with billowed sail
Jackie kept a lookout perched on Puff's gigantic tail
Noble kings and princes would bow whene'er they came
Pirate ships would lower their flags when Puff roared out his name, oh
A dragon lives forever, but not so little boys
Painted wings and giants's rings make way for other toys.
One grey night it happened, Jackie Paper came no more
And Puff that mighty dragon, he ceased his fearless roar.
His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain
Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane.
Without his lifelong friend, Puff could not be brave
So, Puff that mighty dragon sadly slipped into his cave, oh
it really isn't hard to act like a real person on the internet. is it hard to act like a real person on the phone? when writing a letter? at a cocktail party? there should be no acting involved. the natural thing would be to present yourself as you normally would, and should require no effort whatsoever. the acting comes in when you consciously choose to behave differently, and that takes work. so, it's actually harder to act differently than it is to be yourself.
i've met hundreds of people in person that i met first online, and the only ones i want to spend any time with online or off are the ones that are themselves no matter the situation.
this is not a theater. we aren't playing d&d. there is no reason to play a character here. if you think it's weird to share yourself with strangers, i pity the world you live in. i'm not saying that you have to share everything about yourself with everyone, but to hide behind an online persona is truly sad to me, and i think this would be a much more interesting space if people were themselves and shared their actual thoughts and feelings. but we established long ago that i'm just some damn hippy. or an "emo-fag," whatever the hell that is.
sure, everyone makes judgements about people based on what they post here, but why would you want those judgements about you to be based on anything other than the truth? the caricatures would be a lot closer to accurate if people weren't hiding behind some created character.
<small>[ 09-15-2005, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: econo ]</small>
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this emo? :(
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Ahh the good old days!
But mostly we were having a good fight about something. Not just calling each other names.
exactly. discussion/debate/arguments are all just fine, especially between people that know each other to some extent.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I'm willing to wager there are hundreds of lurkers out there who read this board for pure comedic value, and the shenanigans that go on here keep them coming back time and time again. This leads to a greater overall knowledge of what is going on at the club, and more of a likelihood of attending a show.
thousands of people used to come back time and time again to watch people get fed to lions for pure entertainment value. doesn't mean that feeding people to lions is an acceptable thing to do.
i think you are struggling to justify this behavior, which really has no justification. i see no comedic value in people hiding behind the anonymous nature of this site to bully and abuse strangers. i see a few people that really need to figure out something else to do with their time and energy.
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thatguy is right. this forum's clique really does dominate. and its really boring, gets old quick. its just non-stop bickering, nothing much original is said. i will probably end up to be that next newbie to abandon the forum. u really hit it dead on thatguy.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
i see a few people that really need to figure out something else to do with their time and energy.
The understatement of this whole saga....
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I'm not trying to justify anything. I would argue that I've been a victim of bullying, meanness, and abuse by strangers as compared to me being the bully at a ratio of 10:1 by strangers on this board. I get people I've never even had a conversation with online, much less offline, calling me "mentally retarded" and calling my wife a "dog". That, for simply comparing the band Stellastarr to Rusted Root.
But because I'm not a newbie, I guess it's ok in your eyes for people to be abusive and mean to me, right?
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I'm willing to wager there are hundreds of lurkers out there who read this board for pure comedic value, and the shenanigans that go on here keep them coming back time and time again. This leads to a greater overall knowledge of what is going on at the club, and more of a likelihood of attending a show.
thousands of people used to come back time and time again to watch people get fed to lions for pure entertainment value. doesn't mean that feeding people to lions is an acceptable thing to do.
i think you are struggling to justify this behavior, which really has no justification. i see no comedic value in people hiding behind the anonymous nature of this site to bully and abuse strangers. i see a few people that really need to figure out something else to do with their time and energy. [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I'm not trying to justify anything. I would argue that I've been a victim of bullying, meanness, and abuse by strangers as compared to me being the bully at a ratio of 10:1 by strangers on this board. I get people I've never even had a conversation with online, much less offline, calling me "mentally retarded" and calling my wife a "dog". That, for simply comparing the band Stellastarr to Rusted Root.
But because I'm not a newbie, I guess it's ok in your eyes for people to be abusive and mean to me, right?
No. In your case it's okay because you really are a retard and your wife really is a dog.
It isn't libel if it's true.
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I've seen your girlfriend and she speaks plenty for your lack of taste in women.
As far as being a retard, I need to look no further than the crappy music you champion as evidence of your mental deficiencies.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I'm not trying to justify anything. I would argue that I've been a victim of bullying, meanness, and abuse by strangers as compared to me being the bully at a ratio of 10:1 by strangers on this board. I get people I've never even had a conversation with online, much less offline, calling me "mentally retarded" and calling my wife a "dog". That, for simply comparing the band Stellastarr to Rusted Root.
But because I'm not a newbie, I guess it's ok in your eyes for people to be abusive and mean to me, right?
No. In your case it's okay because you really are a retard and your wife really is a dog.
It isn't libel if it's true. [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
But because I'm not a newbie, I guess it's ok in your eyes for people to be abusive and mean to me, right?
nope. i think it's just as stupid and pointless for them to be mean to you as it is to be mean to a newbie. difference is, you are a willing participant. you have contributed to the negative atmosphere here plenty over the years. what i said from the beginning of all of this is that the abuse of those not willingly involved needs to stop.
edited to add: wow, you proved my point even before i could make it. see above post for evidence.
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What examples of abuse of newbies were you specifically referring to?
I mean it's one thing to tell someone they have lousy music taste because they like crappy band xyz, but it's quite another thing to insult someone's looks or mental capacity or other things more personal because they like band xyz, right? I will admit to doing both, and I am sorry for doing the latter, but wouldn't call the former "abuse".
I think people need to get over their musical taste. Being told your music taste sucks is just about the lightest insult in the world...i wouldn't even call it an insult, more like a mild tease.
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
But because I'm not a newbie, I guess it's ok in your eyes for people to be abusive and mean to me, right?
nope. i think it's just as stupid and pointless for them to be mean to you as it is to be mean to a newbie. difference is, you are a willing participant. you have contributed to the negative atmosphere here plenty over the years. what i said from the beginning of all of this is that the abuse of those not willingly involved needs to stop. [/b]
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Originally posted by thatguy:
it really isn't hard to act like a real person on the internet. is it hard to act like a real person on the phone? when writing a letter? at a cocktail party? there should be no acting involved. the natural thing would be to present yourself as you normally would, and should require no effort whatsoever. the acting comes in when you consciously choose to behave differently, and that takes work. so, it's actually harder to act differently than it is to be yourself.
i've met hundreds of people in person that i met first online, and the only ones i want to spend any time with online or off are the ones that are themselves no matter the situation.
this is not a theater. we aren't playing d&d. there is no reason to play a character here. if you think it's weird to share yourself with strangers, i pity the world you live in. i'm not saying that you have to share everything about yourself with everyone, but to hide behind an online persona is truly sad to me, and i think this would be a much more interesting space if people were themselves and shared their actual thoughts and feelings. but we established long ago that i'm just some damn hippy. or an "emo-fag," whatever the hell that is.
sure, everyone makes judgements about people based on what they post here, but why would you want those judgements about you to be based on anything other than the truth? the caricatures would be a lot closer to accurate if people weren't hiding behind some created character.
Thanks for sharing that with the group.
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forum design suggestion: what clutters this board most is the indiscrimninate quoting of entire blocks of text. ppl can copy and paste to quote and it'd force them to economize vs blanket quoting. or, maybe im crazy and its only me who finds it so annoying but not as annoying the ms word paper clip guy (http://www.holylemon.com/PaperClip.html)
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I go home and weep every time Relaxer says Sleater-Kinney are shite :)
Being told your music taste sucks is just about the lightest insult in the world...i wouldn't even call it an insult, more like a mild tease.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
What examples of abuse of newbies were you specifically referring to?
by you? none in particular. i'm talking about general tone between regulars, since you brought it up. you implied that i was ok with you being abused since you weren't new, and i said that i wasn't, but pointed out that you are an active part of the back and forth banter between regulars so therefore get no sympathy from me.
now that you make me think about it, i believe the term "porky midget" originated in a post by you directed at a newbie.
I mean it's one thing to tell someone they have lousy music taste because they like crappy band xyz, but it's quite another thing to insult someone's looks or mental capacity or other things more personal because they like band xyz, right? I will admit to doing both, and I am sorry for doing the latter, but wouldn't call the former "abuse".
my point, once again, is that there is no reason to do either of these things. how does someone else's taste in music affect you in any way whatsoever? taste is subjective. if i post because my favorite band is coming, i don't need to hear that you, or any other anonymous blowhard, think that they suck. it serves no purpose. it accomplishes nothing except for maybe chasing someone away from the forum.
i don't understand why this is so hard a concept for some of y'all to grasp. i am typing in english here, right?
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Originally posted by thatguy:
i believe the term "porky midget" originated in a post by you directed at a newbie.
Ding ding Dulcinea!
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thatguy: "porky midget"
Yes, and I have apologized for that comment multiple times. When you were speaking of "recent" abuses of newbies, I didn't realize that something that I said three years ago qualified as "recent."
thatguy: if i post because my favorite band is coming, i don't need to hear that you, or any other anonymous blowhard, think that they suck. it serves no purpose. it accomplishes nothing except for maybe chasing someone away from the forum.
Why does everything have to serve some higher purpose? (Most often, that purpose being to pad Seth's bank account.)
If someone says band xyz is coming and I say band xyz sucks, how is that any different than going on a sports chatboard and telling someone their favorite baseball team, the Yankees, suck? It's light teasing. Quit trying to make it out as anything more.
Originally posted by thatguy:
now that you make me think about it, i believe the term "porky midget" originated in a post by you directed at a newbie.
I mean it's one thing to tell someone they have lousy music taste because they like crappy band xyz, but it's quite another thing to insult someone's looks or mental capacity or other things more personal because they like band xyz, right? I will admit to doing both, and I am sorry for doing the latter, but wouldn't call the former "abuse".
my point, once again, is that there is no reason to do either of these things. how does someone else's taste in music affect you in any way whatsoever? taste is subjective. f i post because my favorite band is coming, i don't need to hear that you, or any other anonymous blowhard, think that they suck. it serves no purpose. it accomplishes nothing except for maybe chasing someone away from the forum.
i don't understand why this is so hard a concept for some of y'all to grasp. i am typing in english here, right? [/b]
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Originally posted by thatguy:
but we established long ago that i'm just some damn hippy. or an "emo-fag," whatever the hell that is.
This should all but sum up the argument. Anyone who doesn't know what an emofag is (or cannot easily surmise) has no business making policy.
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Can't we just agree to go along with what the moderators ask? It is their house, they set the rules, we abide by them?
Is it so hard?
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Originally posted by thatguy:
i don't understand why this is so hard a concept for some of y'all to grasp. i am typing in english here, right?
You've been around long enough to recognize troll behavior.
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Originally posted by Wayne, BadSushi Fellatio AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by thatguy:
but we established long ago that i'm just some damn hippy. or an "emo-fag," whatever the hell that is.
This should all but sum up the argument. Anyone who doesn't know what an emofag is (or cannot easily surmise) has no business making policy. [/b]
is your name wayne? are you really a badsushi fellatio fan? does she know this? is she a fan of you being a fan? are fans plugged in at their correct speed?
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Originally posted by walkonby:
is your name wayne? are you really a badsushi fellatio fan? does she know this? is she a fan of you being a fan? are fans plugged in at their correct speed?
Is your name walkonby?, yes, yes, i'd assume so, i have air conditioning
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good god.........
i really didn't think it was possible for the board to get any more boring than it has been of late...............
how i hate being wrong........
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Originally posted by Wayne, BadSushi Fellatio AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by walkonby:
is your name wayne? are you really a badsushi fellatio fan? does she know this? is she a fan of you being a fan? are fans plugged in at their correct speed?
Is your name walkonby?, yes, yes, i'd assume so, i have air conditioning [/b]
to a degree . . . and i like fans with air conditioning.
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Were you always able to obey all the rules your parents made, and never question them?
If your employer told you that you had to wear a three piece suit to work every day, would you gladly oblige?
Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Can't we just agree to go along with what the moderators ask? It is their house, they set the rules, we abide by them?
Is it so hard?
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
good god.........
i really didn't think it was possible for the board to get any more boring than it has been of late...............
how i hate being wrong........
then start being write.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
[QB] Were you always able to obey all the rules your parents made, and never question them?
If your employer told you that you had to wear a three piece suit to work every day, would you gladly oblige?
yes pretty much
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
When you were speaking of "recent" abuses of newbies, I didn't realize that something that I said three years ago qualified as "recent."
sour jeebus. i never said that it was recent. and i never said that you abused newbies. you asked for an example. i gave you one. read for comprehension, please.
Why does everything have to serve some higher purpose? (Most often, that purpose being to pad Seth's bank account.)
because for some silly reason, i'd like to exist in a place that is not full of negativity. this has nothing to do with money. what you put out is what you get back.
If someone says band xyz is coming and I say band xyz sucks, how is that any different than going on a sports chatboard and telling someone their favorite baseball team, the Yankees, suck? It's light teasing. Quit trying to make it out as anything more.
it is no different. it's just as stupid and pointless and rude.
light teasing is fine, between friends. that is not what is happening on this forum.
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Well go dig up some new shite on Robbie Williams, and thrill us all. :p
Originally posted by poorlulu:
good god.........
i really didn't think it was possible for the board to get any more boring than it has been of late...............
how i hate being wrong........
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
You've been around long enough to recognize troll behavior.
occasionally, i still hold out hope that people can learn, grow, evolve. i guess i'm just naive sometimes.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Well go dig up some new shite on Robbie Williams, and thrill us all. :p [/b]
well apparently he has a new album coming out.........
i personally don't want to hold my breath for it though as he is definately missing guy chambers creative input......
gosh i'm so glad you asked rhett........
how about robbie fulks? is he up to anything new and exciting? :roll:
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Were you always able to obey all the rules your parents made, and never question them?
If your employer told you that you had to wear a three piece suit to work every day, would you gladly oblige?
My parents made rules that they thought were in my best interest. The rules of the board should probably not be made in mine or yours best interest.
If my company did that I would acquiesce till I could find a new forum, I mean job.
But I think it is time you stopped being a troll now.
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its called being provocative
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
its called being provocative
There's nothing wrong with that. Read the first post in this thread.
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Robbie Fulks will be at Jammin Java in November, solo acoustic. Everyone should go. It will be a super show.
Originally posted by poorlulu:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Well go dig up some new shite on Robbie Williams, and thrill us all. :p [/b]
well apparently he has a new album coming out.........
i personally don't want to hold my breath for it though as he is definately missing guy chambers creative input......
gosh i'm so glad you asked rhett........
how about robbie fulks? is he up to anything new and exciting? :roll: [/b]
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
its called being provocative
There's nothing wrong with that. Read the first post in this thread. [/b]
that was sarcasm
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Sure, I get it.
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Well go dig up some new shite on Robbie Williams, and thrill us all. :p [/b]
well apparently he has a new album coming out.........
i personally don't want to hold my breath for it though as he is definately missing guy chambers creative input......
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here's what ya need to know regarding robbie...
Robbie Williams Says "No" To America
British pop sensation Robbie Williams has announced that he will not be releasing his new album, Intensive Care, in the United States. With no album coming out in the US, that means no tour. The reason? He is simply tired of trying to crack the US charts. The man that is credited as the destroyer of Britpop has sold over 38 million solo albums in the UK since 1996, but has failed to make anything near that happen stateside. Contactmusic.com reported that Robbie stated, "The only way one of my albums is going to get into an Los Angeles record store is if I leave it there myself."
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No, Walkonby, the forumite known as "Wayne" is simply dreaming - and fixated on oral sex. It's a form of subtle harassment which I'm ignoring cause it just makes him look like the putz he is...
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LOLOLOL
BadSushi, I think you will take great satisfaction of the findings in this new study (http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20050915/hl_hsn/sexismmayshortenmenslivesstudy).
Wayne, your days are numbered! Ya old blow hard.
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ya know, when im bored i light my own farts. yep it's true. no really, but hey thanks for asking.
im starting to realize what this board is all about to the many of you. its about companionship and all that fuzzy stuff. yeah i think i have it figured out. this is where u come for your conversation! omg. thing is tho, its awfully hard for other ppl not in this clique to get the hang of whats discussed much less giv a damn whats being said.
ok somebody post that pict of dr phil pls WITHOUT THE DAMNED QUOTES AS LONG AS WAR AND FRIGGIN PEACE PLS! :p
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
LOLOLOL
BadSushi, I think you will take great satisfaction of the findings in this new study (http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20050915/hl_hsn/sexismmayshortenmenslivesstudy).
Wayne, your days are numbered! Ya old blow hard.
HAHAHAHA That's hilarious..eventually this board could be seriously "thinned out"...and we ain't talkin' hairlines either...
and Muschi, dood. If you want to meet some rock n roll chicks here, you might want to play nice once in a while...Women love bad boys - not mad boys.