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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mankie on April 05, 2004, 02:42:00 pm
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Hew bewt dem 'O's hun? :D
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Woo hoo. Go O's. Only 161 more games until the completion of an undefeated regular season.
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The beauty of baseball is that a loss, or even multiple losses in row, can all be erased once you team is healthy. I give props to the new O's brass, they have put together a nice lineup of young guys and proven hitters. A decent bullpen too, but that rotation is mighty suspect. Much like Toronto, that is going to keep them from really competing. The sox have 3 SP better than the O's ace. And Wakefield and a healthy Kim are both better than your #2 (whichever young guy you pick). But good luck to you on the season, I fully expect Baltimore to be a tough team to beat this year.
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Originally posted by redsock:
The beauty of baseball is that a loss, or even multiple losses in row, can all be erased once you team is healthy. I give props to the new O's brass, they have put together a nice lineup of young guys and proven hitters. A decent bullpen too, but that rotation is mighty suspect. Much like Toronto, that is going to keep them from really competing. The sox have 3 SP better than the O's ace. And Wakefield and a healthy Kim are both better than your #2 (whichever young guy you pick). But good luck to you on the season, I fully expect Baltimore to be a tough team to beat this year.
I agree. The O's rotation is a nightmare. 10 major league wins total among the rotation save Sidney, who pitched well last night despite looking like he ate Mike Bordick. I think that they'll have trouble hitting the .500 mark this summer, though.
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Roy Halladay got smoked today by Detriot with ex Oriole pitcher Jason Johnson pitching a gem. Ivan is gonna turn that team around in that weak division. Fantasy wise i'm hoping Pat Burrell and Paul Konerko have break thru seasons after last years disasters.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Roy Halladay got smoked today by Detriot with ex Oriole pitcher Jason Johnson pitching a gem. Ivan is gonna turn that team around in that weak division. Fantasy wise i'm hoping Pat Burrell and Paul Konerko have break thru seasons after last years disasters.
Me too. Konerko started to turn it around in the second half. Hopefully that bodes well for this season.
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i was at the game last night and it was COLD.
and so what if the red sox will end up 161-1
i think that will still get them into the playoffs :)
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wow. . .toronto got shutout by detroit. . .what's up with that?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i was at the game last night and it was COLD.
and so what if the red sox will end up 161-1
i think that will still get them into the playoffs :)
Hey sonick...I saw your mighty Bruins couldn't beat the 23-46 Capitals in your own house!!! What's up with that?
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As far as I know, the Bruins will be putting on their skates on Wednesday, while the Caps will be putting on their golfing shoes.
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Originally posted by saco:
As far as I know, the Bruins will be putting on their skates on Wednesday, while the Caps will be putting on their golfing shoes.
Miniature golf maybe. ;)
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How exactly is the O's rotation a "nightmare"? Yes, they are young and unproven at the major league level. But at this point, that hardly makes then a "nightmare".
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by redsock:
The beauty of baseball is that a loss, or even multiple losses in row, can all be erased once you team is healthy. I give props to the new O's brass, they have put together a nice lineup of young guys and proven hitters. A decent bullpen too, but that rotation is mighty suspect. Much like Toronto, that is going to keep them from really competing. The sox have 3 SP better than the O's ace. And Wakefield and a healthy Kim are both better than your #2 (whichever young guy you pick). But good luck to you on the season, I fully expect Baltimore to be a tough team to beat this year.
I agree. The O's rotation is a nightmare. 10 major league wins total among the rotation save Sidney, who pitched well last night despite looking like he ate Mike Bordick. I think that they'll have trouble hitting the .500 mark this summer, though. [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickballs2:
How exactly is the O's rotation a "nightmare"? Yes, they are young and unproven at the major league level. But at this point, that hardly makes then a "nightmare".
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by redsock:
The beauty of baseball is that a loss, or even multiple losses in row, can all be erased once you team is healthy. I give props to the new O's brass, they have put together a nice lineup of young guys and proven hitters. A decent bullpen too, but that rotation is mighty suspect. Much like Toronto, that is going to keep them from really competing. The sox have 3 SP better than the O's ace. And Wakefield and a healthy Kim are both better than your #2 (whichever young guy you pick). But good luck to you on the season, I fully expect Baltimore to be a tough team to beat this year.
I agree. The O's rotation is a nightmare. 10 major league wins total among the rotation save Sidney, who pitched well last night despite looking like he ate Mike Bordick. I think that they'll have trouble hitting the .500 mark this summer, though. [/b]
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Look at every other rotation in the AL East. Now look at the O's rotation. The O's farm system, once a laughingstock, has some good quality arms in it, like Eric Bedard and Adam Loewen. But they aren't ready for a full major league season - yet. Which leaves the O's with either retreads that will break down (Omar Daal), or major leaguers who never got it together in the first place (K. Ainsworth). Sidney Ponson is really a #2-3 starter on most contenders. That might work in the AL Central, but not in the best division in baseball. The O's lineup is much improved, but the rotation won't keep them competitive. They'll struggle to break .500, and the rotation will be described as a nightmare...
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Bedard, Ainsworth, and Riley all had Spring era's well under 4, and Dubose was close to it. If two of those 4 pan out well, that makes them at least decent. Yes, Daal is garbage, but he's not in the rotation anyway. We shall see.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by sonickballs2:
How exactly is the O's rotation a "nightmare"? Yes, they are young and unproven at the major league level. But at this point, that hardly makes then a "nightmare".
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by redsock:
The beauty of baseball is that a loss, or even multiple losses in row, can all be erased once you team is healthy. I give props to the new O's brass, they have put together a nice lineup of young guys and proven hitters. A decent bullpen too, but that rotation is mighty suspect. Much like Toronto, that is going to keep them from really competing. The sox have 3 SP better than the O's ace. And Wakefield and a healthy Kim are both better than your #2 (whichever young guy you pick). But good luck to you on the season, I fully expect Baltimore to be a tough team to beat this year.
I agree. The O's rotation is a nightmare. 10 major league wins total among the rotation save Sidney, who pitched well last night despite looking like he ate Mike Bordick. I think that they'll have trouble hitting the .500 mark this summer, though. [/b]
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Look at every other rotation in the AL East. Now look at the O's rotation. The O's farm system, once a laughingstock, has some good quality arms in it, like Eric Bedard and Adam Loewen. But they aren't ready for a full major league season - yet. Which leaves the O's with either retreads that will break down (Omar Daal), or major leaguers who never got it together in the first place (K. Ainsworth). Sidney Ponson is really a #2-3 starter on most contenders. That might work in the AL Central, but not in the best division in baseball. The O's lineup is much improved, but the rotation won't keep them competitive. They'll struggle to break .500, and the rotation will be described as a nightmare... [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickballs2:
Bedard, Ainsworth, and Riley all had Spring era's well under 4, and Dubose was close to it. If two of those 4 pan out well, that makes them at least decent. Yes, Daal is garbage, but he's not in the rotation anyway. We shall see.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by sonickballs2:
How exactly is the O's rotation a "nightmare"? Yes, they are young and unproven at the major league level. But at this point, that hardly makes then a "nightmare".
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by redsock:
The beauty of baseball is that a loss, or even multiple losses in row, can all be erased once you team is healthy. I give props to the new O's brass, they have put together a nice lineup of young guys and proven hitters. A decent bullpen too, but that rotation is mighty suspect. Much like Toronto, that is going to keep them from really competing. The sox have 3 SP better than the O's ace. And Wakefield and a healthy Kim are both better than your #2 (whichever young guy you pick). But good luck to you on the season, I fully expect Baltimore to be a tough team to beat this year.
I agree. The O's rotation is a nightmare. 10 major league wins total among the rotation save Sidney, who pitched well last night despite looking like he ate Mike Bordick. I think that they'll have trouble hitting the .500 mark this summer, though. [/b]
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Look at every other rotation in the AL East. Now look at the O's rotation. The O's farm system, once a laughingstock, has some good quality arms in it, like Eric Bedard and Adam Loewen. But they aren't ready for a full major league season - yet. Which leaves the O's with either retreads that will break down (Omar Daal), or major leaguers who never got it together in the first place (K. Ainsworth). Sidney Ponson is really a #2-3 starter on most contenders. That might work in the AL Central, but not in the best division in baseball. The O's lineup is much improved, but the rotation won't keep them competitive. They'll struggle to break .500, and the rotation will be described as a nightmare... [/b]
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Pat Burrell had a torrid spring last year. Last year the O's had the best record in Spring training. Sometimes the spring doesn't translate into the regular season.
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Kenny Rogers historically always has a great spring ERA but his regular season one is around the five mark. Spring training doesnt mean squat.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Kenny Rogers historically always has a great spring ERA but his regular season one is around the five mark. Spring training doesnt mean squat.
completely unrelated:
http://www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com (http://www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com)
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Red Sox 4
Orioles 1
FINAL
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Florida 4
Montreal 3
Whats your point? :p
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my point is
Anaheim 6
Seattle 1
6th inning :roll:
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how about the brewers and tigers?? both 2-0.
break up the devil rays!!!
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What about Chet Lemon? What about Lance Parrish? What about the 1984 World Series?
It was great living in Michigan when the Tigers were good.
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I wonder what Bob Moose and Rennie Stenett are up to these days?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
What about Chet Lemon? What about Lance Parrish? What about the 1984 World Series?
It was great living in Michigan when the Tigers were good.
Obviously, I'm a big Sox fan, but I did have a soft spot for the mid 80's Tigers. Lance Parrish is one of my favorite players ever, and Trammel, Whitaker, Gibby, Morris and Tanana...yeah, I was really into baseball cards.
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Whenever Whitaker was up, you'd hear the stadium echo with "Looooouuuuuuuu".
To be honest, the mid 80's was the only time I was really into baseball. And that's pretty much due to the Tigers.
Originally posted by redsock:
Obviously, I'm a big Sox fan, but I did have a soft spot for the mid 80's Tigers. Lance Parrish is one of my favorite players ever, and Trammel, Whitaker, Gibby, Morris and Tanana...yeah, I was really into baseball cards.
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Originally posted by redsock:
Obviously, I'm a big Sox fan, but I did have a soft spot for the mid 80's Tigers. Lance Parrish is one of my favorite players ever, and Trammel, Whitaker, Gibby, Morris and Tanana...yeah, I was really into baseball cards.
ahh yes, frank tanana. . .for some reason, he was my favourite pitcher when i was growing up. i think i finally got all of his baseball cards when he retired, but topps started doing re-issues recently (the set is called "archives"), and in the 2001 set there's an autograph card. doesn't show up on ebay too often.
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How much are my two Ricky Henderson rookie cards worth these days? Last time I checked, maybe ten years ago, they were at $180 each.
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I've got a 1984 Mark McGwire USA Olympic card. Wonder if that's worth anything.
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Originally posted by sonickballs2:
How much are my two Ricky Henderson rookie cards worth these days? Last time I checked, maybe ten years ago, they were at $180 each.
1980 topps, yeah? presuming that it's still in excellent condition, card is worth $70. will probably go up when he goes into the hall of fame.
as for thirsty's mcgwire. . it's worth $50, assuming the same conditions as above. it too will probably go up when he enters the hall of fame.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I've got a 1984 Mark McGwire USA Olympic card. Wonder if that's worth anything.
That card, plus the 1985 topps Extended Roger Clemens rookie card were the gems of my youth...
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speaking of the mid-80s tigers. . .today in 1984 jack morris threw a no-hitter against the white sox.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
my point is
Anaheim 6
Seattle 1
6th inning :roll:
I had Bartolo Colon going for my fantasy team, so i was quite happy to see that score.
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In case you missed it, the Angels scored 10 runs with their eyes closed last night against the Mariners #1 pitcher, and Colon pitched 6 innings without giving up an earned run.
Think the AL West is shaking in their boots these day?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
my point is
Anaheim 6
Seattle 1
6th inning :roll:
I had Bartolo Colon going for my fantasy team, so i was quite happy to see that score. [/b]
I see you didn't miss it. Glad to hear that.
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Moyer aint their best pitcher, he's about 50 years old. Pineiro is their best pitcher, he will shut them down tonight.
Originally posted by vansmack:
In case you missed it, the Angels scored 10 runs with their eyes closed last night against the Mariners #1 pitcher, and Colon pitched 6 innings without giving up an earned run.
Think the AL West is shaking in their boots these day?
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Originally posted by sonickballs2:
Moyer aint their best pitcher, he's about 50 years old. Pineiro is their best pitcher, he will shut them down tonight.
21-7 with a 3.29 ERA at age 39 ain't so bad. Is 40 really that much different?
Nobody will shut the Angels down this year.
Eckstein
Erstad
Guerrero
Anderson
Glaus
Guillen
Salmon
Molina
Kennedy
Only injuries can stop that lineup. They could average 7 runs a game.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
In case you missed it, the Angels scored 10 runs with their eyes closed last night against the Mariners #1 pitcher, and Colon pitched 6 innings without giving up an earned run.
Think the AL West is shaking in their boots these day?
ahem. . .the oakland a's will win the west.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
ahem. . .the oakland a's will win the west.
I think Arthur Rhodes just got his only two saves of the season.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
ahem. . .the oakland a's will win the west.
I think Arthur Rhodes just got his only two saves of the season. [/b]
because hudson/mulder/zito/redman/harden will shut down everyone and have no need for a closer to save any of their games.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
because hudson/mulder/zito/redman/harden will shut down everyone and have no need for a closer to save any of their games.
Right, because Colon/Washburn/Escobar/Ortiz/Lackey are mince meat.
And there is no better bullpen in baseball when Brendan Donnelly returns. Weber/K-Rod/Donnelly/Percival.
Even DePodesta left Oakland because saw this Angels team on his spreadsheet and knew that the A's were in trouble this year.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Right, because Colon/Washburn/Escobar/Ortiz/Lackey are mince meat.
And there is no better bullpen in baseball when Brendan Donnelly returns. Weber/K-Rod/Donnelly/Percival.
Even DePodesta left Oakland because saw this Angels team on his spreadsheet and knew that the A's were in trouble this year.
bradford/rincon/mecir/rhodes aren't chopped liver you know.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
In case you missed it, the Angels scored 10 runs with their eyes closed last night against the Mariners #1 pitcher, and Colon pitched 6 innings without giving up an earned run.
Think the AL West is shaking in their boots these day?
When they look at the AL East, yes, they are shaking in their boots.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by vansmack:
[qb] bradford/rincon/mecir/rhodes aren't chopped liver you know. [/b]
Who?
And aren't the A's the 4th team to try Rhodes as a closer? How did it work out for the others?
Billy Beane says you don't need a great closer to win. I think this shows he really believes that. And Arthur Rhodes has Billy Koch written all over him.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
When they look at the AL East, yes, they are shaking in their boots.
At least one team in baseball I know of isn't afraid of the NY Yankees. And that would be the Anaheim Angels.
And nobody needs to be afraid of the Boston Red Sox because they are afraid of themselves.
The AL wild card will come from the West this year. And I'm not afraid to go on record to say that.
That leaves Baltiomre, Toronto and Tampa Bay, and I'm just not going to qualify those squads with a response.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickballs2:
Moyer aint their best pitcher, he's about 50 years old. Pineiro is their best pitcher, he will shut them down tonight.
21-7 with a 3.29 ERA at age 39 ain't so bad. Is 40 really that much different?
Nobody will shut the Angels down this year.
Eckstein
Erstad
Guerrero
Anderson
Glaus
Guillen
Salmon
Molina
Kennedy
Only injuries can stop that lineup. They could average 7 runs a game. [/b]
Oh, I think you can count on injuries to that lineup. I guarentee they won't average 7 runs a game, but with Escobar, Ortiz, and Washburn being unpredictable, they might have to.
As for their lineup:
Eckstein - average at best. great work ethic.
Erstad - will be hurt. shadow of his 2000 season.
Guerrero - just awesome.
Anderson - also great
Glaus - will hit .250, low obp
Guillen - who knows? could be great, could revert back to his usual selft
Salmon - This ain't 1997.
Molina - could never put it together. abysmal obp. former prospect.
Kennedy - utility man on most contenders.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Eckstein - average at best. great work ethic.
Perfect Get on, get over, get in guy.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Erstad - will be hurt. shadow of his 2000 season.
Finally got a divorce from the Barbara Hershey-esque character in Hoosiers, will bat .300 this year. Smackie is a firm believer in the power of a woman to suck the talent out of you. And for all of you fantasy geeks, will qualify as a 1B on April 22nd, bats second and is followed by Guerrero, Anderson, Glaus, Guillen, Salmon - the guy is going to score 100 runs and return to his 2000 numbers.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Guerrero - just awesome.
Anderson - also great
Anderson, not Guerrero, will win the AL MVP this season.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Glaus - will hit .250, low obp
Your #5 hitter is not supposed to have a high OBP, he's supposed to have a high slugging percentage and after the 2 jacks he hit yesterday, I'd say it's the highest in the league. Injuries are behind him, and he'll hit 40 HRs.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Guillen - who knows? could be great, could revert back to his usual selft
If you had to have a manager to handle a guy like this, wouldn't it be Mike Scioscioa?
Originally posted by keithstg:
Salmon - This ain't 1997.
That's why he's hitting 7th. Care to name a better #7 hitter in the AL? The only one close is Bernie Williams, but like you said, this ain't 1997 now is it?
Originally posted by keithstg:
Molina - could never put it together. abysmal obp. former prospect.
Offensively, not the strongest catcher. Defensively and how he handles the staff, now that's a whole different story. But fi you let up on the #8 hitter like Seattle did yesterday, the Molina brothers can put it over the fence.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Kennedy - utility man on most contenders.
Let's see. Enrique Wilson (NYY), Pokey Reese (BOS), Luis Rivas (MIN) and whomever is playing 2B for the A's this week (I think it's Marco Scutaro). Thanks but I'll take Kennedy over everyone on that list. Only Brett Boone (SEA) is a better 2B on a contender.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by keithstg:
[qb] Eckstein - average at best. great work ethic.[/b]
Perfect Get on, get over, get in guy.
Decent, not great, OBP. Runs less every year.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Erstad - will be hurt. shadow of his 2000 season.
Finally got a divorce from the Barbara Hershey-esque character in Hoosiers, will bat .300 this year. Smackie is a firm believer in the power of a woman to suck the talent out of you. And for all of you fantasy geeks, will qualify as a 1B on April 22nd, bats second and is followed by Guerrero, Anderson, Glaus, Guillen, Salmon - the guy is going to score 100 runs and return to his 2000 numbers.
He has been in decline since 2000. Three years of declining productivity solved by a divorce? And, if your fantasy team can't do better at the corners than Darin, you are in serious trouble.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Glaus - will hit .250, low obp
Your #5 hitter is not supposed to have a high OBP, he's supposed to have a high slugging percentage and after the 2 jacks he hit yesterday, I'd say it's the highest in the league. Injuries are behind him, and he'll hit 40 HRs.
Two HR's = great. 144k's and a SLG. under .500? Not so great.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Guillen - who knows? could be great, could revert back to his usual selft
If you had to have a manager to handle a guy like this, wouldn't it be Mike Scioscioa?
No, it would be Joe Torre.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Salmon - This ain't 1997.
That's why he's hitting 7th. Care to name a better #7 hitter in the AL? The only one close is Bernie Williams, but like you said, this ain't 1997 now is it?
Matsui and Posada. Varitek, Ortiz. Jay Gibbons. Bernie Williams, Bobby Crosby (mostly on potential). They will all bat 7th in the lineup this season. Salmon's stats for the past four years read: decent, sub par, sub par, sub par, sub par. That will change why?
I deleted the points that I thought made sense, but will add that Kennedy and Pokey Reese are probably a wash. I'm enjoying the conversation immensely.
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Originally posted by sonickballs2:
[QB] Moyer aint their best pitcher, he's about 50 years old. Pineiro is their best pitcher, he will shut them down tonight.
Pineiro proved last year that he is WAY too inconsistent to be #1 pitcher. He will not beat Washburn.
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Jay Gibbons is the O's #6 hitter.
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Originally posted by sonickballs2:
Jay Gibbons is the O's #6 hitter.
I am aware. However, he will probably see at least some time at 7 this season, depending on Segui's health ( I can't believe that he isn't hurt yet) and Surhoff's performance.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Billy Beane says you don't need a great closer to win. I think this shows he really believes that. And Arthur Rhodes has Billy Koch written all over him.
you mean the year he went 11-4 and had 44 saves?
i do agree with you that the wild card will come from the west.
as for garrett anderson. . you see that page 2 had a poll to choose a nickname for him? the winner was lunchbox. . i voted for puddin. there's a ton of other funny stuff in this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=neel/040402 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=neel/040402)
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I am enjoying this as well.
Originally posted by keithstg:
David Eckstein - Decent, not great, OBP. Runs less every year.
Runs less only last year.
87 in 2001
107 in 2002
59 in 2003
On pace for 162 this year. ;)
Originally posted by keithstg:
Erstad - He has been in decline since 2000. Three years of declining productivity solved by a divorce? And, if your fantasy team can't do better at the corners than Darin, you are in serious trouble.
Yes. Productivity solved by divorce. Health solved by a move to 1B. And no, he's not my every day 1B, he will split time with Shawn Green on my fantasy team in 14 more days (D. Mientkiewicz is just filling in right now). It's nice to have versatile players you can move in and out. I have a crowded outfield with Guerrero, Ordonez, Green, Guillen, Erstad and Burnitz (12 team league, 21 rounds).
Originally posted by keithstg:
Glaus - Two HR's = great. 144k's and a SLG. under .500? Not so great.
Obviously 2003 was a down year for the whole squad. But he hit 118 Hrs the three previous years and had an SLG. over .500 in 2 of those three years. That's no fluke - 2003 was the fluke. He is a power hitting run producer, pure and simple.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Guillen - No, it would be Joe Torre.
Torre has handled egos well in NYY, there's no doubt about that. But how did Torre do in his previous 15 seasons in the bigs when he didn't have the highest payroll but had talent? He clearly under performed in St. Louis, arguably in Atlanta and the Mets. I love Torre, and I always wanted the Angels to hire him when he was announcing for them in 80's. But that was then, this is now. In the long term, Scioscia has to be one of the most promising managers in baseball and I expect the Dodgers ot make a huge puch for him in this off season. Torre's next move is retirement.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Salmon - Matsui and Posada. Varitek, Ortiz. Jay Gibbons. Bernie Williams, Bobby Crosby (mostly on potential). They will all bat 7th in the lineup this season. Salmon's stats for the past four years read: decent, sub par, sub par, sub par, sub par. That will change why?
More ducks on the pond, my friend. When will Matsui bat 7th? Those days are over for him. Posada I will give you, but rarely does he bat 7th. Varitek? One good season does not make a man - especially a catcher. And Ortiz nearly never bats 7th, but again, one season does not make a man.
I'm going to forget that you even said Jay Gibbons because he too only had one good season and the line-up was so bad he spent most of it batting 4th and 5th.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I'm going to forget that you even said Jay Gibbons because he too only had one good season and the line-up was so bad he spent most of it batting 4th and 5th. [/QB]
How is having one good season last year worse than having a good season four years ago and performing horribly since?
Matsui will hit 7 when Lofton hits 1st or 2nd, which will happen at some point this year. Gibbons had a better season last year than Salmon had in the past four, and he's younger. I think of them as the same player, actually, just in different stages of their careers.
Torre did underpreform in St.Louis, and I have to admit I wasn't that psyched when the Yankees signed him, as I was a huge Showalter fan. Boy was I wrong. Nobody faces more pressure from the fans and the owners, and manages more egos than Joe Torre. He'll retire because he is old, but not for a few more years.
I will bet you that Erstad does not hit over .300, and does not drive in 100 this year. 2000 was a huge fluke. He's the batting average version of Brady Anderson's HR's. (.255, .355, .258, .283, .252) Paul Knorenko will be a vastly more effective 1B fantasy wise, and you could probably draft him in the same round.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
And no, he's not my every day 1B, he will split time with Shawn Green on my fantasy team in 14 more days (D. Mientkiewicz is just filling in right now).
i thought green was going back to the outfield because he hated playing first base (read: he sucks at first). but then, do errors count in fantasy?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by vansmack:
And no, he's not my every day 1B, he will split time with Shawn Green on my fantasy team in 14 more days (D. Mientkiewicz is just filling in right now).
i thought green was going back to the outfield because he hated playing first base (read: he sucks at first). but then, do errors count in fantasy? [/b]
Now that Milton Bradley is in town, Green goes back to first.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
I will bet you that Erstad does not hit over .300, and does not drive in 100 this year. 2000 was a huge fluke. [/b]
Number two hitters are not expected to drive in 100 runs.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by keithstg:
I will bet you that Erstad does not hit over .300, and does not drive in 100 this year. 2000 was a huge fluke. [/b]
Number two hitters are not expected to drive in 100 runs. [/b]
Agreed. Should have edited to read score 100 runs, but he may well do that if (big if) he stays healthy.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by vansmack:
And no, he's not my every day 1B, he will split time with Shawn Green on my fantasy team in 14 more days (D. Mientkiewicz is just filling in right now).
i thought green was going back to the outfield because he hated playing first base (read: he sucks at first). but then, do errors count in fantasy? [/b]
Now that Milton Bradley is in town, Green goes back to first. [/b]
milton bradley. . that's a problem solver. :) and i don't want to hear about his ops anymore. . .damn sabrmetricians.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
How is having one good season last year worse than having a good season four years ago and performing horribly since?
Matsui will hit 7 when Lofton hits 1st or 2nd, which will happen at some point this year. Gibbons had a better season last year than Salmon had in the past four, and he's younger. I think of them as the same player, actually, just in different stages of their careers.
Torre did underpreform in St.Louis, and I have to admit I wasn't that psyched when the Yankees signed him, as I was a huge Showalter fan. Boy was I wrong. Nobody faces more pressure from the fans and the owners, and manages more egos than Joe Torre. He'll retire because he is old, but not for a few more years.
I will bet you that Erstad does not hit over .300, and does not drive in 100 this year. 2000 was a huge fluke. He's the batting average version of Brady Anderson's HR's. (.255, .355, .258, .283, .252) Paul Knorenko will be a vastly more effective 1B fantasy wise, and you could probably draft him in the same round.
Sorry, I had to run off to a meeting. My damn job keeps gettig in the way of my personal life.
Anyhow, this was fun. We'll agree to disagree on Darin Erstad and let him do the talking the rest of the year (or no talking if you're proven to be right). I'm banking a huge part of my fantasy league on it, that's how much I think he's going to turn it around.
Yes, Shawn Green is not happy about moving to 1B, but he's a team player and that's that. Thus far, it hasn't affected his offense, but he has stranded a few more baserunners than I would like.
I agree that Jay Gibbons has a bright future, but the discussion was about #7 hitters, and he's not. In the clutch, I'd rather have Salmon though.
And lastly, win or lose, I think this is it for Joe Torre. Especially if A-Rod or Jeter get hurt and there's a huge media fallout over who should play where. If you're Torre, you're sort of in a pinch - win and you go out on top, lose and you have to ask yourself is this really worth it at his age? I don't think you'll see him pinstripes after this season.
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Roger Clemens is GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh yeah, Washburn defeats Piniero as predicted.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Oh yeah, Washburn defeats Piniero as predicted.
And the first nightmarish O's start by a young pitcher is born....
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Oh yeah, Washburn defeats Piniero as predicted.
And the first nightmarish O's start by a young pitcher is born.... [/b]
Tonight will be the second.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Oh yeah, Washburn defeats Piniero as predicted.
A good mix of small ball and big ball chased Piniero after giving up 8 runs through 4 innings.
Leading 8-0, Wash got hit pretty bad, but with the large cushion, nobody was very concerned.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Yes, Shawn Green is not happy about moving to 1B, but he's a team player and that's that. Thus far, it hasn't affected his offense, but he has stranded a few more baserunners than I would like.
And I'll change my opinion on this. Green is now 2-13, and while it's early he is doing some very uncharacteristic Shawn things. He threw his bat three times last night (once after a K and twice after popping out)- I don't think I've seen Shawn throw his bat but 10 times in his career. He's clearly more frustrated than usual, and I'm guessing the added pressure is from the late move to 1B.
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L.A. is NOT a hitters ballpark, so if i were a hitter i'd stay far, far away from there.
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Anaheim just rattled off 5 runs in the top of the ninth to beat Seattle 5-1.
A thing of beauty, this team.
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Haaaaaaaaaa
Wrong, dead wrong. Riley pitched an awesome game.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Oh yeah, Washburn defeats Piniero as predicted.
And the first nightmarish O's start by a young pitcher is born.... [/b]
Tonight will be the second. [/b]
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Yup you got me in that one.....congrats.....
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
how about the brewers??
hmmm, I blame the Cardinals 1-3 start on the President being there for opening day
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
how about the brewers??
hmmm, I blame the Cardinals 1-3 start on the President being there for opening day [/b]
yeah, i wouldn't blame the pitching staff at all. . i mean, when the first 1-2-3 inning is done by the back-up catcher, there's nothing wrong there. he he. . .course, the nl central is all messed up right now with the astros, cards and cubs under .500 right now.
break up the tigers!
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geez smackie. . ortiz didn't last very long today, eh? :)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
geez smackie. . ortiz didn't last very long today, eh? :)
And Aaron Sele didnt start off any better, thank God for Adam Kennedy or they'd be shut out right now. Red Sox down 2-0, i'm loving that so far.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
geez smackie. . ortiz didn't last very long today, eh? :)
Well, we weren't going to go 162-0, now were we?
We're still on pace for 122 wins, so I feel good about that.
And I don't feel so good about the Ortiz/Sele dilemma for the #4 starter. John Lackey will pitch a gem tomorrow, however. If you need a spot starter tomorrow for fantasy, he's your guy.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Well, we weren't going to go 162-0, now were we?
We're still on pace for 122 wins, so I feel good about that.
And I don't feel so good about the Ortiz/Sele dilemma for the #4 starter. John Lackey will pitch a gem tomorrow, however. If you need a spot starter tomorrow for fantasy, he's your guy.
shouldn't you be on your way to the avril mall show in hayward?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
And I don't feel so good about the Ortiz/Sele dilemma for the #4 starter. John Lackey will pitch a gem tomorrow, however. If you need a spot starter tomorrow for fantasy, he's your guy.
Since I'm always the first guy to point out when I'm right, I'll be the first to point out that I really missed this one. Lackey got rocked.
And I guess I should point out that Rhodes took only one week to blow his first save. My instincts sense a trend, but my fantasy hopes rely on the alternative.
Bede, thanks for the heads up on the Avril Show. I drove over there, but it was ridiculously crowded so I left.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
course, the nl central is all messed up right now with the astros, cards and cubs under .500 right now.
the astros/cards series this week will hopefully send the cards to the top, and there is no way the reds and brewers will continue to win
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Bartolo Colon's two victories helped me go 6-1 this week so i'm very happy about that. Mike Hampton though is not making my week 2 start off very good. :mad:
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Mike Hampton though is not making my week 2 start off very good. :mad:
Russ Ortiz made me feel the same pain last week.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by vansmack:
And I don't feel so good about the Ortiz/Sele dilemma for the #4 starter. John Lackey will pitch a gem tomorrow, however. If you need a spot starter tomorrow for fantasy, he's your guy.
Since I'm always the first guy to point out when I'm right, I'll be the first to point out that I really missed this one. Lackey got rocked.
And I guess I should point out that Rhodes took only one week to blow his first save. My instincts sense a trend, but my fantasy hopes rely on the alternative.
Bede, thanks for the heads up on the Avril Show. I drove over there, but it was ridiculously crowded so I left. [/b]
The Angels staff has seemed pretty inconsistent thus far. Congrats to Eric DuBose, who put up another "nightmare" start for the O's; proving that spring training is, well, spring training.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
The Angels staff has seemed pretty inconsistent thus far.
I think that can be said for every staff thus far (except Florida, who have been salid in every game thus far).
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And perhaps the Cardinals, who have been uniformly bad.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
And perhaps the Cardinals, who have been uniformly bad.
yeah that complete game by morris was horrible, and the 6 inning 1 run start by Marquis was just pitiful
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by keithstg:
And perhaps the Cardinals, who have been uniformly bad.
yeah that complete game by morris was horrible, and the 6 inning 1 run start by Marquis was just pitiful [/b]
Well, Morris lowered his era to a respectable 4.20,and Marquis is an incredible 5.56, which is just below the staff era of 5.43. I guess those starts helped a ton, because the rest of the starting staff doesn't have an era under 6.00!
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by pollard:
[qb] Well, Morris lowered his era to a respectable 4.20,and Marquis is an incredible 5.56, which is just below the staff era of 5.43. I guess those starts helped a ton, because the rest of the starting staff doesn't have an era under 6.00! [/b]
the stats are much worse than the games actually seemed, I followed all of the games, and while the brewers games were horrific, things have settled down a lot, in a couple of weeks I think they will be fine, Williams came back too early, Suppan has only had 1 start, Carpenter had trouble in his first inning back after a couple of years but was fine for most of the game
once the pitching is better they should go on a nice little run, the offense certainly is not having any problems
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Originally posted by pollard:
once the pitching is better they should go on a nice little run, the offense certainly is not having any problems [/QB]
Yeah, Rolen has been teriffic thus far.
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erase my comments about cardinals pitching improving, wow they are bad
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Roger Clemens is still God...........and Bartolo Colon is Jesus. :cool:
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
you mean the year he went 11-4 and had 44 saves?
No, I meant this Billy Koch:
2/3 IP, 4 Hits, 4 Runs, 4 ER, 1 Walk, 0 SO, 2 HRs for an 11.25 ERA
for his second blown save this season (though he was only credited with one because he gave up the first 4 runs, but not the tying run last week).
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Danny Kolb.........Save #3, great news for my fantasy team.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Danny Kolb.........Save #3, great news for my fantasy team.
Curtis Leskanic's performance today was not very good for mine.....hello waivers!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Danny Kolb.........Save #3, great news for my fantasy team.
Curtis Leskanic's performance today was not very good for mine.....hello waivers! [/b]
I think its about time now to take Affeldt out of the starting lineup where he is getting crushed and put him back at closer. He dominated in that role last year. Leskanic is not the answer and it depends on which McDougal shows up this year.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Danny Kolb.........Save #3, great news for my fantasy team.
Curtis Leskanic's performance today was not very good for mine.....hello waivers! [/b]
I think its about time now to take Affeldt out of the starting lineup where he is getting crushed and put him back at closer. He dominated in that role last year. Leskanic is not the answer and it depends on which McDougal shows up this year. [/b]
You're right, but I think that they will give MacDougal a few chances once he gets back in about ten days, unfortunately.
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I had McDougal last year and i thought he pitched decent. His ERA was high because he gave up alot of runs in NON save situations. Angel Berrao alone cost him three saves with errors in the ninth inning last year.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Angel Berrao alone cost him three saves with errors in the ninth inning last year.
Interesting. It was a booted double play ball by 2B Mendy Lopez that cost Leskanic yesterday.
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Is there a pattern developing here?
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nice pitch pedro...how do you say "most over-rated pitcher in the AL" in Dominican, or whatever language he speaks.
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Originally posted by jakez468:
nice pitch pedro...how do you say "most over-rated pitcher in the AL" in Dominican, or whatever language he speaks.
so it is not just music you are an idiot about?
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Pedro is a jackass, but i dont think he's overrated. I think his time is finally coming to an end but even a mediocre Pedro is still better than most pitchers. I'm sure if he continues to pitch poorly he'll go to his headhunting tactics like he always does.
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Originally posted by jakez468:
nice pitch pedro...how do you say "most over-rated pitcher in the AL" in Dominican, or whatever language he speaks.
You've got to be kidding me. I hate Pedro as much as the next guy, maybe even more. But I think that he could go 9-10 this year and still not be overrated. His numbers speak for themselves.
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smackie. . .so, how bout dem a's???
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
smackie. . .so, how bout dem a's???
I was expecting this.....
Hey, the A's pitching was very impressive. The Halo's needed a day off (they hadn't had one since opening day) adn it showed, especially last night.
I expect both teams to make the playoffs, but I think that one could expect the series to be 10-9 for one team or the other this year. They're both that good.
Congrat's though.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
smackie. . .so, how bout dem a's???
I was expecting this.....
Hey, the A's pitching was very impressive. The Halo's needed a day off (they hadn't had one since opening day) adn it showed, especially last night.
I expect both teams to make the playoffs, but I think that one could expect the series to be 10-9 for one team or the other this year. They're both that good.
Congrat's though. [/b]
the lack of a left-hander in the bullpen will eventually catch up to them.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
smackie. . .so, how bout dem a's???
I was expecting this.....
Hey, the A's pitching was very impressive. The Halo's needed a day off (they hadn't had one since opening day) adn it showed, especially last night.
I expect both teams to make the playoffs, but I think that one could expect the series to be 10-9 for one team or the other this year. They're both that good.
Congrat's though. [/b]
The Angels need to get much more out of their pitching this year, it would seem. Washburn, Escobar, and Ortiz have all been pretty bad. F-Rod has been great thus far, though. Think that either Oritz or Kelvim will be able to cash in on all that potential this year?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
the lack of a left-hander in the bullpen will eventually catch up to them.
I don't think that the Halo's will go the whole without a lefty in the pen, although, Brendan Donnelley was an extrememly successful pitcher against lefties - probably (I don't have time to look it up) the best righty against lefty in the bigs. Even when he returns, he won't be back to form until the all-star break. But look out in Sept when he doesn't have the wear and tear of a full season. For the record, I don't think Yoshitaka Mizuo is the answer either.
Sele or Ortiz will likely be dealt for a solid lefty reliever. The is also a lot of offensive talent in the Angels farm system, and I think everybody but Casey Kothchman will be considered.
Ortiz is a notoriously slow starter, but nonetheless, he has never reached his potential. Giving up an occasional solo long ball was fine, but he's pitching with no confidence right now and having Sele on his heals isn't helping.
Escobar, despite what his numbers say, has pitched fairly well. He got a no decision in the first game he pitched despite giving up only one run, and spread 4 out in his second appearance. Last night he struck out seven which displayed that his movement is coming back and only had one ball out of the infield through 4. He made a mistake to Bobby Crosby in the 6th and that did him in, otherwise, I'd say he's doing just fine considering it's April. I'm hoping his fantasy owners feel the same way as you do because I'd love to get him for nothing.
Now, if you can tell me what the hell is wrong with Jose Contreras, I would be elated. He couldn't keep a 7-1 lead in the third inning yesterday, and I couldn't believe it. The guy is killing me!
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Mike Hampton is killing me.
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the O's are in first
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dude, what are you doing picking jose contreras? never pick a cuban pitcher after 2 years in the majors.
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Originally posted by ballsnotbeats:
the O's are in first
And will be at or below .500 by June 1.
Contreras just doesn't have any confidence, I think. He looked like he had good stuff yesterday (fastball hitting 95-97), but couldn't make pitches when he needed to. Hopefully Jon Lieber will be able to come back and return to form so Contreras isn't needed. Too bad he is sinking fantasy teams left and right now...
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Contreras just doesn't have any confidence, I think. He looked like he had good stuff yesterday (fastball hitting 95-97), but couldn't make pitches when he needed to. Hopefully Jon Lieber will be able to come back and return to form so Contreras isn't needed. Too bad he is sinking fantasy teams left and right now...
His splitter was sick in the first, nonexistent the rest of the game.
I think I'm ready to give up on him too, especially after he had good stuff and a 6 run lead and still had no confidence. I really thought this was his year to be a big time MLB pitcher, be he's looked awful.
As for Hampton, he was just put on waivers so I'm thinking I'd rather take a chance on him than on Contreras. Or should I be the first to bite the bullet and say Kris Benson will finally live up to his potential?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by keithstg:
Contreras just doesn't have any confidence, I think. He looked like he had good stuff yesterday (fastball hitting 95-97), but couldn't make pitches when he needed to. Hopefully Jon Lieber will be able to come back and return to form so Contreras isn't needed. Too bad he is sinking fantasy teams left and right now...
His splitter was sick in the first, nonexistent the rest of the game.
I think I'm ready to give up on him too, especially after he had good stuff and a 6 run lead and still had no confidence. I really thought this was his year to be a big time MLB pitcher, be he's looked awful.
As for Hampton, he was just put on waivers so I'm thinking I'd rather take a chance on him than on Contreras. Or should I be the first to bite the bullet and say Kris Benson will finally live up to his potential? [/b]
Agreed on Contreras. I'd pick up Benson, because I think he's got more upside than Hampton, what with more strikeouts and all. Besides, Kip Wells has proven that even on a crappy Pirates team, you can still pitch well and win games.
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I saw on the telly, and just today on the web, that the Redsocks gave the Wankees a good sound beating over the weekend in their little series.
I'm sure had it been a playoff series though, the results would've been just the opposite.
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Jose ContrarASS is last years Jeff Weaver. Hampton pitched really well yesterday, his bullpen blew it for him. My pitching staff is so mediocre that i have Elmer Dessens in this week......He's gonna get shelled. But with 16 teams its not like i can have the perfect team. I'm now 12-2. :D
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Jose ContrarASS is last years Jeff Weaver. Hampton pitched really well yesterday, his bullpen blew it for him. My pitching staff is so mediocre that i have Elmer Dessens in this week......He's gonna get shelled. But with 16 teams its not like i can have the perfect team. I'm now 12-2. :D
Dude, you have no idea. I'm in a 12 team roto league and I'm in worse pitching shape than you. I lead nearly every offensive category, and am near the bottom of every pitching stat but saves.
My ace thus far has been Kip Wells. I originally started:
Kip Wells
Russ Ortiz (abysmal)
Carlos Zambrano (tremendous upside)
Jose Contreras (abysmal)
John Lackey (abysmal)
Then added:
Jose Lima (holding my breath)
Sean Estes (a little late - had to drop)
Claudio Vargas (way late - dropped)
Nate Robertson (today's gamble)
But my pen has been solid:
Percival
Rhodes
Leskanic/MacDougal (DL)
Shields (rocked, but has two wins - most on my staff)/Donnelley (DL)
Now I am prepared to try Kris Benson or Mike Hampton. I'm just treading water here to keep from drowning.
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Dammit. Peter Gammons beat me to publishing this theory too:
Several agents thought Garret Anderson's four-year, $48 million deal was light, but Anderson has never been a money person and wanted to stay with a very successful team where he is the unspoken heart and soul. "That should impact Troy Glaus if he wants to stay there," says one agent. "It also impacts Magglio Ordonez (whom Williams is trying to lock up) and Nomar Garciaparra."
Yes, Troy Glaus will follow. Orange County is the best place in America, hands down. And Arte Moreno replaces GGW as my new favorite Republican.
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Wow dude, that is a horrible pitching staff. I have Clemens, Colon, Hampton and Redding.....Dessens is on my bench. Well, this week Dessens is starting. I have to depend on Clemens and Colon getting wins every week. I dont play roto, I play by points per week against other divisions. My hitting is definetely keeping me alive. (Helton, Burrell, Sanders and Konerko). I'm waiting for Larry Walker to stop finding dead bodies in his yard and start getting off the disabled list and hitting me some Coors Field Bombs!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Wow dude, that is a horrible pitching staff. I have Clemens, Colon, Hampton and Redding.....Dessens is on my bench. Well, this week Dessens is starting. I have to depend on Clemens and Colon getting wins every week. I dont play roto, I play by points per week against other divisions. My hitting is definetely keeping me alive. (Helton, Burrell, Sanders and Konerko). I'm waiting for Larry Walker to stop finding dead bodies in his yard and start getting off the disabled list and hitting me some Coors Field Bombs!!!!!!!!
I've been trying to shore it up through the waiver wire, but I'm going to be dealing soon.
Offensively, forgetaboutit. Vlad, Rolen, M. Young, Ordonez, Javy Lopez, S. Green, Burnitz, Guillen, Mankeivicz - but you can see that my offensive minded draft really hurt my pitching staff.
I'm thinking of changing to a head to head league next season, but I've been doing roto for so long that I'm not sure I have the same mindset for head to head.
Thanks for bringing up Walker - you're on the DL with a strained groin - what are you doing on an ATV!??!???!??
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Wow dude, that is a horrible pitching staff. I have Clemens, Colon, Hampton and Redding.....Dessens is on my bench. Well, this week Dessens is starting. I have to depend on Clemens and Colon getting wins every week. I dont play roto, I play by points per week against other divisions. My hitting is definetely keeping me alive. (Helton, Burrell, Sanders and Konerko). I'm waiting for Larry Walker to stop finding dead bodies in his yard and start getting off the disabled list and hitting me some Coors Field Bombs!!!!!!!!
I've been trying to shore it up through the waiver wire, but I'm going to be dealing soon.
Offensively, forgetaboutit. Vlad, Rolen, M. Young, Ordonez, Javy Lopez, S. Green, Burnitz, Guillen, Mankeivicz - but you can see that my offensive minded draft really hurt my pitching staff.
I'm thinking of changing to a head to head league next season, but I've been doing roto for so long that I'm not sure I have the same mindset for head to head.
Thanks for bringing up Walker - you're on the DL with a strained groin - what are you doing on an ATV!??!???!?? [/b]
Make sure to read the rules for whatever head to head league you join - I was in an ESPN h2h league last year and it was basically a waiver wire contest for spot starters. To me, that took some skill, and a lot of fun, out of the game.
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he he. . tonight's law and order is based off of steve bartman. be sure to watch!